| BlackMug | hello | 19:05 |
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| BlackMug | i was wondering do you guys add packages to devuan separately to debian? or when its added to debian it will be added to devuan? | 19:06 |
| plasma41 | BlackMug: If a package gets added to a release of Debian, so long as it doesn't depend on systemd, it will automatically propogate into the corresponding Devuan release. | 19:13 |
| plasma41 | BlackMug: Is there a specific package you have in mind? | 19:14 |
| BlackMug | https://www.whonix.org/wiki/Linux_Kernel_Runtime_Guard_LKRG | 19:16 |
| BlackMug | https://www.whonix.org/wiki/Security-misc | 19:17 |
| BlackMug | other question | 19:18 |
| BlackMug | when devuan will be based on buster? took too long isnt? or there is something im missing? | 19:18 |
| fsmithred | beowulf is based on buster | 19:19 |
| fsmithred | only thing missing is installer media | 19:19 |
| fsmithred | you can upgrade from ascii or wait until beta isos are out, probably next week | 19:20 |
| BlackMug | you mean no iso for it? | 19:20 |
| fsmithred | right, no isos yet | 19:20 |
| fsmithred | well, there are some mini.isos | 19:20 |
| BlackMug | i see | 19:20 |
| BlackMug | is there onion repo for devaun? couldnt find it | 19:21 |
| fsmithred | for packages, yes | 19:21 |
| BlackMug | link so i can read if possible | 19:21 |
| fsmithred | https://devuan.org/get-devuan | 19:22 |
| fsmithred | scroll to bottom of page | 19:22 |
| plasma41 | BlackMug: Well, no /official/ isos yet. Feel free to try these WIP ones and report back any issues. https://borta.rrq.id.au/ | 19:22 |
| BlackMug | ah thanks found the repos , to be honest horrible way to find things in devuan website | 19:23 |
| fsmithred | that's all being re-worked | 19:24 |
| fsmithred | because we agree with you on that point | 19:24 |
| BlackMug | ah great | 19:24 |
| BlackMug | plasma41 the link doesnt work | 19:24 |
| fsmithred | https://borta.rrq.id.au/ | 19:25 |
| fsmithred | it works here | 19:25 |
| plasma41 | works for me :-/ | 19:25 |
| BlackMug | clearnet or Tor? | 19:25 |
| fsmithred | not using tor here | 19:26 |
| fsmithred | ok, it works in tor here | 19:26 |
| BlackMug | hmm weird situation one sec | 19:27 |
| fsmithred | you want amd64 netinstall or other? I can give you direct link for wget. | 19:27 |
| BlackMug | yeah i can enter now problem with exit node | 19:29 |
| BlackMug | since i can see only CD version what is the DE coming up with it? | 19:30 |
| BlackMug | Debian CD if someone want it with DE it comes with xfce | 19:30 |
| BlackMug | same for devuan? | 19:30 |
| BlackMug | also any signatures for verification? | 19:31 |
| plasma41 | See the WIP site https://beta.devuan.org/get-devuan for DE details. | 19:31 |
| BlackMug | alright | 19:32 |
| plasma41 | BlackMug: Unfortunately rrq hasn't signed the WIP ISOs. | 19:32 |
| fsmithred | xfce is the default desktop | 19:34 |
| BlackMug | i see, thats cool then | 19:34 |
| fsmithred | you'll get it with a netinstall or with the dvd (if you do offline install) or CD1 and CD2 together. | 19:34 |
| fsmithred | CD1 (server) and DVD (desktop) can do netinstall or offline install | 19:35 |
| BlackMug | will do my testing and report back if there are issues | 19:35 |
| fsmithred | thanks | 19:35 |
| plasma41 | thanks | 19:35 |
| BlackMug | i want to ask is by removing systemd the OS slow down or getting faster? | 19:36 |
| BlackMug | some say by the time it boot up it take longer time, how much true is that? and why would it be? | 19:37 |
| fsmithred | sometimes it boots slow and sometimes it boots fast | 19:37 |
| plasma41 | I so rarely reboot it doesn't make a noticeable difference to me. | 19:38 |
| fsmithred | I haven't figured out a reliable pattern | 19:38 |
| fsmithred | I haven't seen it boot as slow as the slower debian/systemd boots I've encountered. | 19:40 |
| BlackMug | i see | 19:41 |
| fsmithred | those times when some job is waiting... | 19:41 |
| BlackMug | is there any work willing to be done towards devaun template for qubes? | 19:41 |
| fsmithred | nobody has stepped up for that | 19:42 |
| fsmithred | I like the idea | 19:42 |
| fsmithred | probably others do, too | 19:42 |
| fsmithred | is there a debian template? | 19:42 |
| BlackMug | yes there is | 19:43 |
| fsmithred | cool! | 19:43 |
| onefang | I suggested I might get around to it one day, but life got in the way and I'm well behind in my projects. | 19:43 |
| fsmithred | mirrorherd ^^^ | 19:43 |
| plasma41 | BlackMug: If that sounds like a project you'd like to pursue, I say go for it! | 19:44 |
| BlackMug | devuan can be what Qubes base itself instead of Fedora , but there are limitations within debian (wish list) thus qubes cant be ported to debian. | 19:44 |
| onefang | I think fsmithred means I'm one of the Devuan mirror herders. | 19:44 |
| fsmithred | onefang, yes. | 19:45 |
| BlackMug | plasma41 im from whonix community ,release tester and social media manager and do help I2P as well so alot on me already. | 19:46 |
| BlackMug | but im here because i was playing around with devuan | 19:48 |
| fsmithred | I'm looking at debian/qubes info and I'm a little confused | 19:48 |
| plasma41 | BlackMug: Neat. Whonix sounds vaguely familiar. What's it based on or is it independent? | 19:48 |
| fsmithred | is current situation that you can run a debian VM inside qubes OS? | 19:48 |
| BlackMug | fsmithred https://www.qubes-os.org/doc/templates/debian/ | 19:49 |
| fsmithred | ...and I have to go outside and stack some firewood | 19:49 |
| BlackMug | plasma41 its anonymous os based on debian , currently buster. | 19:49 |
| fsmithred | yeah, that's the page I'm looking at | 19:49 |
| plasma41 | I had thought Qubes was based on Debian, not Fedora. Or am I getting it confused with Subgraph? | 19:49 |
| fsmithred | qubes is fedora | 19:50 |
| fsmithred | gotta go. bbl. | 19:50 |
| BlackMug | fsmithred there is HVM and TemplateVM , i can run devuan and any other OS as HVM but TemplateVM is the fun part. | 19:50 |
| BlackMug | plasma41 yes are confused | 19:50 |
| BlackMug | SubgraphOZ is based on debian and dead by now | 19:51 |
| plasma41 | Subgraph died? That's sad to hear. I hadn't even gotten around to trying it yet. | 19:52 |
| BlackMug | having anonymous/secure OS directly connected to the hardware its almost impossible to be secured one. | 19:53 |
| BlackMug | not because of the bad software but because of the bad hardware | 19:53 |
| plasma41 | I have a literal list of various OSs and distros to try out. Trying out weird and esoteric systems is my hobby. | 19:54 |
| BlackMug | ha! same here :) | 19:54 |
| onefang | Last I checked Qubes is based on Fedora as the host OS, but includes Whonix and Debian guest OSes. | 19:55 |
| onefang | Other guests are available. | 19:56 |
| onefang | "Last I checked" that was Debian Jessie, things might have changed since then. lol | 19:56 |
| BlackMug | onefang yes didnt changed from fedora to lets say debian due to these issues https://wiki.debian.org/Qubes/Devel | 19:57 |
| BlackMug | onefang TemplatesVM available are Fedora,Debian,Arch, soon Kali | 19:58 |
| BlackMug | and whonix for sure | 19:59 |
| BlackMug | https://www.qubes-os.org/doc/templates/#official | 19:59 |
| BlackMug | some built ubuntu and centos but never tried them | 20:00 |
| BlackMug | actually it ease the development to have Qubes OS | 20:01 |
| onefang | Well if people are working on Debian, and get that done, then Devuan would be easy. I can remove that from my overflowing TODO lists. | 20:01 |
| BlackMug | yep i hope so, wish you good luck | 20:02 |
| BlackMug | https://beta.devuan.org/get-devuan checking first links doesnt contain anything for beowulf , just directory | 20:06 |
| BlackMug | so only from here https://borta.rrq.id.au/ i can get the image right? | 20:07 |
| plasma41 | BlackMug: Yes. rrq, who is building the WIP ISOs, is only hosting them on his server until we have an official beta build. | 20:10 |
| BlackMug | official beta build will be released next week or when? | 20:11 |
| plasma41 | Soon(TM) | 20:11 |
| plasma41 | Faster with help | 20:12 |
| plasma41 | Hoping to have an official beta this week, but we shall see. No promises. | 20:13 |
| BlackMug | what took it so long to be released? | 20:15 |
| BlackMug | also is the kernel debian vanilla kernel or libre-linux kernel? (stripped out from systedm) | 20:16 |
| golinux | Isn't that obvious? Everybody wants something and very few do anything. | 20:16 |
| plasma41 | People having time to work on it. | 20:16 |
| golinux | Even if we have time there aren't enough of us. | 20:17 |
| BlackMug | golinux playing with kernel isnt lego , it needs some skill which many doesnt have | 20:17 |
| plasma41 | Debian kernel, though I personally run the linux-libre kernel. | 20:17 |
| golinux | Devuan doesn't mess with the kernel | 20:17 |
| BlackMug | plasma41 i see , well would you like me to play with devaun buster based now or after beta ? | 20:18 |
| golinux | We are not making any changes until the release | 20:19 |
| BlackMug | golinux we in whonix lack the same thing only 1 core developer and the rest are helpers | 20:20 |
| BlackMug | what devuan suffers is almost the same for the rest | 20:20 |
| golinux | Unfortunately, it is not sustainable. | 20:21 |
| * golinux goes back to the kitchen | 20:22 | |
| BlackMug | thats true , one man distro is risky and many distros/projects already died due to this factor | 20:22 |
| plasma41 | BlackMug: Go ahead and play with Devuan Beowulf now. Just be sure to report back any rough edges. | 20:22 |
| BlackMug | alright .. downloading .. | 20:23 |
| BlackMug | is you guys wasting energy on 32bit builds | 20:37 |
| BlackMug | i think (if i remember correctly) debian will deprecate 32bit sooner or later | 20:38 |
| fsmithred | nope. We make 32 bit because people use it. | 20:38 |
| BlackMug | what if debian deprecate 32bit builds? | 20:38 |
| BlackMug | devuan will do the same right? | 20:38 |
| fsmithred | then I guess we won't have a 32-bit kernel anymore | 20:39 |
| BlackMug | i see | 20:39 |
| bpmedley | $ sudo lshw -class network | grep DISABLED shows "*-virtio1 DISABLED". How can I enable eth1? | 20:39 |
| fsmithred | 99% of packages come from debian unchanged | 20:39 |
| BlackMug | i hope next time releases can be downloaded over onion or i2p or at least torrent | 20:57 |
| plasma41 | BlackMug: Torrent will be available | 20:58 |
| bpmedley | Issue was lack of configuration.. oops.. | 21:07 |
| mike_y | Hello, I"m unable to access "semanage" | 22:38 |
| ErRandir | bpmedley: there could be many reasons for that. Is the iommu on in /proc/cmdline? | 23:20 |
| ErRandir | oh wau you found it already. sorry for the noise | 23:20 |
| bpmedley | ErRandir : It was lack of experience with multiple nics.. :-0 | 23:20 |
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