| plasma41 | Balarate: I find it ironic that a game that claims to teach you to code is released under a license forbidding you from modifying its code. | 00:06 |
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| gnarface | Balarate: i recommend trying zram for swap (to address the compiling issue and the web browser issue) | 00:08 |
| Balarate | Humm | 00:09 |
| gnarface | (it's a kernel module you can use to make a compressed ram disk that you can engage as swap. works comically well) | 00:09 |
| Balarate | The develloper of the application was igoring Devuan, and he make deseppear the .dev. Also the application have yhe same problem under Debian 10 :) | 00:11 |
| gnarface | well, i can't fix him. but i sympathize | 00:12 |
| Balarate | See by yourself ? :) | 00:12 |
| Balarate | https://github.com/tutao/tutanota/issues/1565 | 00:12 |
| gnarface | oh god, electron | 00:12 |
| gnarface | oh man, don't use that shit. even if it worked right it wouldn't be worth it. | 00:12 |
| Balarate | Yes he said | 00:12 |
| gnarface | what's this for? you want to learn to make video games or something? use SDL | 00:13 |
| Balarate | You think so ? | 00:13 |
| gnarface | SDL2 is great man, and it's fast | 00:13 |
| Balarate | I want to learn coding ( just understand first) | 00:14 |
| gnarface | yea, then stay far away from electron. don't learn javascript as your first language, that will straight up poison your comprehension | 00:14 |
| gnarface | almost anything else would be better, but C/C++ with SDL2 and OpenGL is the most common combination by far | 00:15 |
| gnarface | (some fringe popularity though with Mono because you can write for it in Windows) | 00:15 |
| Balarate | Huumm :) I've anyway idéas to go direction JS :) Not to devellopp in it, just to know what is the portance of it everywhere :) | 00:16 |
| gnarface | yea but it's object structures aren't like other languages. they're weird and fundamentally insecure | 00:16 |
| gnarface | they'll not only make it hard to make secure code, they'll make other better languages more confusing to you later | 00:16 |
| Balarate | That I know :) But I prefer say "powerfull" :) | 00:17 |
| gnarface | sure, you can run it in a browser but that's almost worse, because then you're stuck supporting browsers which are frankly by and large heinous | 00:17 |
| Balarate | Exactly :) | 00:17 |
| gnarface | eh, don't let me change your plan if you're sure that's what you want. just remember i warned you. | 00:17 |
| Balarate | Thanks friends :) | 00:18 |
| gnarface | oh, the other nice thing about C/C++/OpenGL/OpenAL/SDL2 et.al. is all the tools for developing with those are already native to the distro. you'll experience considerably less compatibility issues at setup time. so there's that... | 00:18 |
| Balarate | No I d'ont want to devellop in it, I want to know. I also warn and I want to know | 00:19 |
| Balarate | I'm not devellopper. I'm a machines maintener :) | 00:19 |
| Balarate | @gnarface tanks for Zram :) | 00:22 |
| gnarface | no problem. that's a neat little toy right there. | 00:42 |
| systemdlete | devuan.org not responding now? | 01:01 |
| systemdlete | maybe not, nvm | 01:02 |
| systemdlete | looks like DNS is up but no internet atm... | 01:02 |
| systemdlete | now network is up, cant resolve devuan.org | 01:04 |
| fsmithred | it's working here | 01:08 |
| systemdlete | DNS and network connectivity were up and down intermittently for a few minutes. Had this a few days back also. Only seems to happen when I try to get to devuan.org servers. I haven't noticed it at any other times, but it is possible I am just not noticing them. | 01:09 |
| g4570n | golinux: hi, GobMis is a Devuan based distro: https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/GobMis_GNU/Linux, you might want to add it to the listing at: https://devuan.org/os/partners/devuan-distros | 01:10 |
| surrealpie | anyone know, i got the following error when trying to add a repository. https://pastebin.com/raw/hBQXcJ8k | 01:30 |
| surrealpie | it seems the /etc/lsb-release file that "add-apt-repository" uses is needed, but it is unclear if a package provides that file. maybe there is some other way to add a repo | 01:31 |
| gnarface | surrealpie: my guess is the repo doesn't recognize devuan ascii as a valid release. maybe try the debian equivalent. (note that I recommended NOT doing this though, whatever it is, if it involves mixing 3rd party repos in) | 01:40 |
| gnarface | (it will probably work but might cause dependency corruptions later) | 01:41 |
| Balarate | Hay, by some kind of friends :) | 02:49 |
| Balarate1 | Pleine bourre :) | 11:16 |
| _abc_ | Hi. fsmithred ? Hi? | 12:52 |
| fsmithred | hi | 12:52 |
| _abc_ | Hi. I'm researching using the live usb stick with persistence style system on a ssd+hdd system | 13:11 |
| _abc_ | Do you have anything done in this direction? Mirroring an existing usb+persistence disk into a ssd+hdd system using one of your scripts? | 13:12 |
| _abc_ | s/done/ready/ | 13:12 |
| _abc_ | fsmithred: | 13:24 |
| fsmithred | sorry, I ran off to get food | 13:32 |
| fsmithred | _abc_, make a snapshot, don't use the iso. Copy work/iso/* to a partition on the hard drive and make it bootable. Then add a persistent partition. | 13:34 |
| fsmithred | I don't think refracta2usb will let you use a hard drive, so you can just do it manually. | 13:35 |
| fsmithred | or take a usb+persistence and dd it to the hard drive. That should work, too. Then expand the size of the persistence partition. | 13:35 |
| fsmithred | it's also possible to set up grub to boot an iso that's on hard drive. You can still set up a persistence partition, and you can also have other systems installed in other partitions. | 13:38 |
| _abc_ | fsmithred: thanks for the tips. I'll try some of these things. | 13:52 |
| fsmithred | there's a discussion about booting isos from hard drive with grub and dev1galaxy.org | 13:52 |
| fsmithred | maybe more than one | 13:52 |
| _abc_ | I'll look there too. This is future music for now, need to get a new laptop 1st. Been hunting for specials for 3 days. | 13:53 |
| _abc_ | Half this country went to work from home overnight so it items are getting scarce. | 13:53 |
| fsmithred | yeah | 13:53 |
| fsmithred | pay close attention to features. A friend just bought a laptop for his mom, brought it to me to put linux on it, there's no ehternet port. | 13:55 |
| _abc_ | I know, that's why I have been reading so much and looking at internals on teardowns/upgrade videos on yt | 13:58 |
| _abc_ | Low end laptops no longer have optical drives and ethernet ports. "Business" class still have them even if low end. | 13:59 |
| specing | It's okay until they remove the hdd as well | 14:04 |
| specing | fsmithred: does it have a disk? | 14:04 |
| fsmithred | yes | 14:04 |
| specing | what a relief ;P | 14:05 |
| fsmithred | idea pad | 14:05 |
| MinceR | even ThinkPad X-series have switched to a proprietary connector + Ethernet dongle because they wanted to make the laptops thinner than the Ethernet port | 14:08 |
| specing | fsmithred: lelnono :P | 14:08 |
| specing | I hate the manufacturers | 14:08 |
| specing | they invest so much making light weight laptops | 14:08 |
| specing | then they give you a 500g brick | 14:08 |
| specing | to power it | 14:08 |
| fsmithred | we're straying way off-topic here | 14:08 |
| specing | and 200g of those 500g is the AC cable alone | 14:08 |
| specing | It's okay, as long as go_linux doesen't wake up :P | 14:09 |
| fsmithred | I might hear about it later. | 14:10 |
| MinceR | dunno, it seems recent USB-C power supplies for my laptops are light | 14:10 |
| MinceR | especially the 45W one | 14:10 |
| sedrosken | I honestly don't know of a good laptop since the T420/430 | 14:11 |
| sedrosken | I had a 450 and it basically fell apart in a year in college | 14:11 |
| specing | I'm on Libreboot T400 | 14:12 |
| sedrosken | there's this all-aluminum walmart special with a ryzen 3 mobile chip that I've been ogling, Linus showcased it and called it fantastic for the money, but I just don't have the money at the moment | 14:12 |
| specing | I can't find a lightweight 65+W PSU for it | 14:12 |
| specing | please help :/ | 14:12 |
| sedrosken | the thing is, you don't *want* a lightweight PSU for those things because then either they won't hit their rated output or they'll overheat and blow up | 14:12 |
| sedrosken | you don't get reliable and light in AC adapters | 14:12 |
| sedrosken | choose one | 14:13 |
| sedrosken | plus, these days, I don't really need a laptop | 14:13 |
| specing | sedrosken: one can easily shave 150+g off the weight if the AC connector is part of the PSU housing (i.e. no AC cable) | 14:13 |
| sedrosken | good luck finding something niche like that | 14:13 |
| specing | more weight can be shaved off by using more expensive components and a higher switching frequency | 14:14 |
| specing | sedrosken: Its quite common for tablets | 14:14 |
| specing | There are some 65W but I'd have to replace the DC jack and either the store will not ship it here or its out of stock/unavailable | 14:14 |
| sedrosken | my phone can do everything my laptop used to more conveniently (remote into my main for maintenance tasks, watch youtube, listen to music) and my main is the only machine I'd ever want to type on since I can't handle laptop keyboards for long-winded typing anyway | 14:15 |
| MinceR | they don't put good keyboards or TrackPoints in ThinkPads (or anything else) anymore :( | 14:15 |
| specing | MinceR: old thinkpads are cheap on ebay | 14:15 |
| specing | MinceR: and schematics+boardviews have leaked, so you can repair them more easily | 14:15 |
| sedrosken | I've got to have my mech for typing, I just can't go back to scissor-switch or rubber domes of any kind these days | 14:15 |
| MinceR | yes, i have an X60s | 14:16 |
| sedrosken | it's not that I'm trying to be a keyboard snob, it's that I got ahold of something glorious and now I can't make do with anything less | 14:16 |
| MinceR | but it's slow and the display is dim | 14:16 |
| sedrosken | well, that's a 2006 laptop for you | 14:16 |
| sedrosken | the core2duo is rapidly aging | 14:16 |
| MinceR | but at least it lacks UEFI and IME | 14:16 |
| specing | There are some people working on a powerpc laptop | 14:17 |
| sedrosken | realistically for you, since you care about those things, isn't a T or Xx20 machine about the limit for your upgrade path? | 14:17 |
| sedrosken | yeah but isn't the reason Apple stopped putting PowerPC chips in laptops because they run hot and take too much power? | 14:18 |
| sedrosken | or has that aspect changed? | 14:18 |
| specing | sedrosken: the chips that were on the market, yes | 14:18 |
| sedrosken | then again it *has* been 15 years since then | 14:19 |
| specing | and the powerpc chips on the market are still power hungry | 14:20 |
| sedrosken | so, then aren't they unsuitable for use in laptops? | 14:20 |
| specing | depends | 14:20 |
| specing | it could go in a 17" workhorse of a laptop | 14:21 |
| sedrosken | plus, very few distros still keep a PPC port going at all | 14:21 |
| specing | Heck, Clevo even makes laptops with desktop Xeons inside | 14:21 |
| specing | sedrosken: ppc is having a new start nowadays with the talos machines | 14:21 |
| sedrosken | but then I'm even more shocked when I see active PPC32 ports | 14:21 |
| MinceR | do those 17" "laptops" come with a sherpa to carry them? :> | 14:22 |
| specing | MinceR: maybe a trolley is in optional accessories list | 14:22 |
| MinceR | :> | 14:22 |
| specing | IIRC the Clevo xeon laptop is 10 cm thick | 14:23 |
| MinceR | lol | 14:23 |
| _abc_ | lapbrick | 14:24 |
| MinceR | truck-portable computer | 14:24 |
| specing | lapdesk | 14:24 |
| Hurgotron | Hi. Any idea if it is possible to replace elogind in Beowulf with something else? The cgroups dependeny is giving me issues. | 16:15 |
| fsmithred | Hurgotron, you might be able to use consolekit | 17:08 |
| _abc_ | What can cause a system to go into suspend to ram from running while idle, 30 mins after idle? | 17:27 |
| fsmithred | power manager settings? | 17:27 |
| _abc_ | I have no such settings active. Looking again. | 17:27 |
| _abc_ | Nope, all off. messages says it was a pm event but there was no pm event. | 17:28 |
| _abc_ | Something is amiss | 17:29 |
| _abc_ | Can a HID device command a suspend? Mimicking a keypress? Even if the key for suspend is not connected to any event? | 17:30 |
| _abc_ | This is weird. The system went to S3 suspend state then immediately woke up, claiming it slept 6071 secs, with no such jump in the log time. | 17:32 |
| _abc_ | *6017 secs | 17:32 |
| _abc_ | That's a good 100 minutes - with no break in log time. | 17:32 |
| _abc_ | I was away from the laptop which had screen locked in locked room | 17:33 |
| _abc_ | Mar 14 18:05:16 devuan kernel: [6263560.913388] Disabling non-boot CPUs ... | 17:33 |
| _abc_ | Mar 14 18:05:16 devuan kernel: [6263560.913710] Broke affinity for irq 1 | 17:33 |
| _abc_ | ... | 17:33 |
| _abc_ | Mar 14 18:05:16 devuan kernel: [6263560.913753] Broke affinity for irq 23 | 17:33 |
| _abc_ | Mar 14 18:05:16 devuan kernel: [6263560.914771] smpboot: CPU 1 is now offline | 17:33 |
| _abc_ | Mar 14 18:05:16 devuan kernel: [6263560.915511] ACPI: Low-level resume complete | 17:33 |
| _abc_ | Mar 14 18:05:16 devuan kernel: [6263560.915511] ACPI : EC: EC started | 17:33 |
| _abc_ | Note the NO time jump? | 17:33 |
| _abc_ | Mar 14 18:05:16 devuan kernel: [6263560.915511] PM: Restoring platform NVS memory | 17:34 |
| _abc_ | I was booted by freenode for pasting a log fragment... right. | 17:45 |
| _abc_ | Here it is as a paste: | nc termbin.com 9999 | 17:45 |
| _abc_ | https://termbin.com/dqwd0 this | 17:45 |
| _abc_ | Any ideas how it can happen? The machine was idle and connected to freenode (irssi) when this happened. | 17:46 |
| _abc_ | Would you say there is some sort of irregular happening here? | 17:46 |
| _abc_ | occurence | 17:46 |
| _abc_ | This is an ascii machine with uptime 150 days | 17:49 |
| _abc_ | Anyone? | 17:53 |
| mason | _abc_: 150 days of uptime does make me think you're probably missing a kernel update or two. | 18:03 |
| fsmithred | That is weird, and I have no ideas. | 18:15 |
| _abc_ | I'll call it some sort of hacking attempt until proven otherwise. Will grep logs for similar happenings. | 18:19 |
| furrywolf | if you installed a DE, some do power management stuff | 18:20 |
| _abc_ | mason: yes I need to do that too. State of emergency declared here just now by the president, storm outside. Need to go shopping in the dark. | 18:20 |
| _abc_ | DE? | 18:20 |
| furrywolf | desktop environment. kde, gnome, xfce. | 18:20 |
| fsmithred | dark? | 18:20 |
| _abc_ | I have xfce and all power manager settings are to not suspend under any circumstances. | 18:20 |
| fsmithred | cat stepped on sleep key? | 18:21 |
| _abc_ | I do not have a cat. The room was locked while it happened, was cooking something. | 18:21 |
| _abc_ | gtg will be back. | 18:21 |
| fsmithred | bye | 18:21 |
| _abc_ | . | 20:09 |
| _abc_ | . | 20:09 |
| _abc_ | re: cat on sleep key: no, but I have a new wireless usb mouse which may explain it, unplugged now. | 20:09 |
| _abc_ | Would it be possible for some HMI commands to be maliciously injected by a mouse wireless adapter which may have been hacked? Such as a sleep/resume key event? | 20:10 |
| _abc_ | My sleep key is not attached to any commands, but the HMI injected command might do something anyway. How would one troubleshoot this? | 20:10 |
| _abc_ | Also, re: kernel versions: I stick with the official kernels on ascii | 20:11 |
| _abc_ | What's the name of the kernel package again? It's not linux-kernel*? | 20:15 |
| furrywolf | linux-image- | 20:16 |
| _abc_ | sigh | 20:16 |
| _abc_ | Why are there 4.9 and also 4.19 kernels in ascii available options? | 20:19 |
| _abc_ | Wrt: earlyer disconnect/sleep/wake: looking in syslog I see: Mar 14 18:05:24 devuan dhclient[6883]: DHCPRELEASE on wlan0 to 192.168.43.1 port 67 -- what the hell. This was a spoofed packet response, that is not on my net! | 20:22 |
| _abc_ | The wlan is 192.168.0.0/24 | 20:22 |
| _abc_ | So this could be a dhclient hack? | 20:22 |
| tuxd3v | _abc_, 4.19 have spectre, meltdown and so on patchs.. | 20:25 |
| _abc_ | Except my cpu is so old it is not susceptible | 20:26 |
| _abc_ | 32 bit core2 | 20:26 |
| tuxd3v | so maintain yourself in 4.9, as I do :) | 20:26 |
| _abc_ | Looking in dhclient.leases I see something fishy. something which sent options "ANDROID_METERED" provided unsolicited dhcp addresses to the laptop | 20:27 |
| furrywolf | why are you going for the maximally-paranoid conclusions? | 20:27 |
| _abc_ | Someone's cell phone in their pocket, passing by? But it would have to be on the wlan and match the ssid and the wpa2 key, no? | 20:27 |
| furrywolf | googling says that ip is the default for all android phones and a number of hotspots | 20:27 |
| _abc_ | Yes except the wicd is set to take a fixed address on 192.168.0.0/24 | 20:27 |
| furrywolf | wicd is shit. | 20:28 |
| furrywolf | I'd label this as "networking is working? don't fuck with it." | 20:28 |
| _abc_ | What dhcp client does wicd use on "automatic"? I have only dhclient installed. I assume it picks that? | 20:29 |
| furrywolf | dunno | 20:29 |
| furrywolf | as soon as something to replace wicd exists that is less-shit, I'm switching. heh. | 20:29 |
| furrywolf | also, are you sure you're not connecting to your phone? :P | 20:30 |
| _abc_ | Very. But I have gaming neighbors with lots of friends. | 20:30 |
| _abc_ | . | 20:32 |
| _abc_ | So someone spoofed my ap's ssid to offer dhcp? | 20:34 |
| furrywolf | .... ok, I'm not going to be part of this conversation. | 20:34 |
| _abc_ | There is no other explanation, alas. | 20:34 |
| _abc_ | DHCP travels over WPA2 encryption or not? | 20:34 |
| furrywolf | if you're going to always pick the most-paranoid explanation possible, this is pointless. | 20:35 |
| furrywolf | bbl. | 20:35 |
| _abc_ | furrywolf: there are non computer related reasons for me to check this from all points of view. Am suing the state for the 2nd year for a lot of money. | 20:35 |
| _abc_ | Been treading on sensitive toes like that for 2 years. | 20:35 |
| _abc_ | next item: the wall clock time in the dhcp.leases file is wrong, UTC vs local. Should it be local? I have the kernel clock on local time | 20:37 |
| _abc_ | Looks like there were several wall clock related problems/bugs with dhclient.leases along the years. | 20:57 |
| _abc_ | Still no clue what caused this strange unlogged breal | 20:58 |
| _abc_ | *k | 20:58 |
| _abc_ | /etc/default/rcS contains #FSCKFIX=no -- should this be so? | 20:59 |
| fsmithred | _abc_, that's what mine says | 21:01 |
| _abc_ | Should it not be yes? | 21:01 |
| fsmithred | I don't know | 21:01 |
| fsmithred | you want fsck -y or -a? | 21:02 |
| _abc_ | Probably, most of the time. No? | 21:05 |
| _abc_ | I noticed that this laptop has an IRDA window on front, very discrete. After 12 years. | 21:07 |
| yeti | I needed a while to find the keyboard-led and it's key | 21:08 |
| yeti | after that I understood the strange blue hieroglyph | 21:09 |
| _abc_ | reading manuals: a last resort move by real men. Alas, makers know this, and no longer bother with real manuals. | 21:09 |
| yeti | hit shappens | 21:10 |
| _abc_ | "siged" linux-images are for uefi boot? | 21:11 |
| fsmithred | _abc_, signed kernel and grub are for secure boot | 21:39 |
| fsmithred | you can use unsigned grub for uefi without secure boot | 21:39 |
| fsmithred | gotta go. | 21:40 |
| _abc_ | thanks | 21:40 |
| fsmithred | yw | 21:40 |
| Pr0metheus | guys any idea with ipsec trying to establish a vpn connection (ikev2 with charon), the connection is established but my ip remains the same | 21:41 |
| cren | hi all, can anyone tell me where to start to install devuan on LVM? which download should I use to install from? | 21:50 |
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