libera/#devuan/ Saturday, 2020-04-04

BjornnThis pastebin shows the error I get when doing an upgrade. Has to do with google chrome update apparently. Anyone suggest any changes I should make to resolve this?02:15
Bjornnhttps://pastebin.com/Ggh3EKGX02:15
fsmithredBjornn, it looks like you don't have the gpg key for that repo. Easy quick solution is to comment out that repo and do the upgrade again, then solve the problem with the chrome repo.02:26
Bjornnis that the wrong repo address?02:29
fonkyhi02:29
Bjornnhey fonky02:29
fonkywhat´s up besides the sky moon and stars02:30
fonky:)02:30
fsmithredI don't know the repo address for google chrome. It's been years since I've installed that.02:30
fonkyhttps://www.google.com/linuxrepositories/02:32
fonkydeb http://dl.google.com/linux/chrome/deb/ stable main02:32
fonkyalthough who would want to use it =.=02:33
fsmithredthat will get you the buster/beowulf version02:33
BjornnThey still hold me hostage with my password saves02:33
fsmithred?02:34
fsmithredyou can't see your saved passwords?02:34
fonkyuse a password manager02:34
fonkypen and paper serves best02:34
Bjornnthe most secure for sure02:35
koollmanor least ... do you want to copy real complex password from paper ? :)02:35
fonkyi actually do02:35
fonky:)02:35
fonkysince the patriot act+02:36
fonkye.g. busted hardware02:36
tuxd3vfonky, what is the patriot act?02:36
[steve]I have /etc/apt/sources.list populated for upgrading from ASCII to Beowolf. But02:37
BjornnI'm not sure where this deb http://dl.google.com/linux/chrome/deb/ stable main  is stored. appears not to be in sources.list02:37
fonkyopressive trade deal enforced through governments of the planet02:37
[steve]'apt-get update' fails and can't find the Release file.02:38
fonkyposing as a trade deal, part of agenda 2030 and 204002:38
fonkyorvels wet dream02:38
fonkyBjornn: you do have to manually input it, and get the key first02:38
fsmithredchromium from the repo is not sufficient?02:40
fsmithredfrom devuan repo I mean02:40
BjornnIt's probably lighter02:40
BjornnI should give that a go.02:40
fonkyapt-get --allow-unauthenticated02:40
fonkymaybe02:40
fsmithredit has less spyware in it02:40
fsmithred[steve], you just changed ascii to beowulf in sources.list?02:42
fsmithredusing deb.devuan.org?02:42
[steve]fsmithred: I re-wrote sources.list as described at https://beta.devuan.org/os/documentation/dev1fanboy/en/upgrade-to-beowulf02:43
fsmithredok02:43
[steve]--allow-unauthenticated doen't help. apt-get update still ignores eveything02:44
fsmithredoh, I think that advice might not have been for you02:44
[steve]heheh02:44
fsmithredyou might be hitting a bottleneck in the network02:44
[steve]I guess that could be a real issue these days ...02:45
[steve]apt-get update02:47
fsmithredI just checked the mirror checker and it looks like several are down right now02:47
[steve]Ign:1 http://deb.devuan.org/merged beowolf InRelease02:47
[steve]... etc ...02:47
fsmithredI did just hit pkgmaster.devuan.org ok02:47
fsmithredhang on...02:47
fsmithredhttps://sledjhamr.org/apt-panopticon/results/Report-web.html02:48
fonkybtw02:48
fonkyis devuan dropping museek?02:48
fsmithredI don't have a lot of experience reading that page, but I think you want to pick one that does not have "Failed" next to it.02:48
fsmithrednever heard of museek02:49
fsmithredis it in debian?02:49
fonkyit was02:49
fonkyin 802:49
[steve]fsmithred: thanks ... I'll poke at it a bit02:50
fonkyalso in devuan 1.002:50
fsmithredgood luck02:50
fonkyreally good stuff02:50
fsmithredwe have whatever debian has except for the stuff that requires systemd02:50
fonkyubuntu also dropped the package in 14.0402:51
fonkyafter sorry02:51
fonkyamule for music :)02:51
fonkyoh02:53
fonkyfound something02:53
fonkyits called nicotine now02:53
[steve]fsmithred: same end result with pkgmaster... here's one of my final error messages:02:55
[steve]E: Failed to fetch http://pkgmaster.devuan.org/merged/dists/beowolf/main/binary-amd64/Packages  404  Not Found02:55
golinuxbeowUlf not o02:56
[steve]d'oh ... I can't read02:56
fsmithredoh02:56
golinuxBut that still doesn't look right02:56
fsmithredlower case u02:57
golinuxOf course.  I did that for emphasis02:58
[steve]It's working now (with the lower case u). Sorry for the wasted brain cycles :(02:58
fonkytry http://auto.mirror.devuan.org or http://deb.devuan.org02:58
fsmithreddon't use auto.mirror02:58
golinuxauto,mirror has been deprecated since last year02:58
fonkyauto.mirror works like a slug or maybe its just my slow notebook02:58
[steve]fonky: I did revert from pkgmaster. to deb.02:58
fsmithreddeb.devuan.org appears to be working here02:59
fsmithredyup. update worked.02:59
[steve]Fetched 41.8 MB in 21s (1,914 kB/s)02:59
fonkyi didnt change those for years :)03:00
fsmithredplease switch back to deb.devuan.org - that's the round-robin, so we don't have everyone hitting on the main server03:00
fsmithredauto.mirror will probably go away after jessie is out of support03:00
* [steve] performs an apt-get dist-upgrade03:01
Bjornndoes that command bring everything up to ascii 2.1?03:02
[steve]Bjornn: I'm moving to beofulf03:03
[steve]... beowulf03:03
golinuxTry again03:03
golinuxLOL!03:03
Bjornnhaha. it's all good.03:03
yetiI can drop my nick beo_ulf for you03:04
yetioh... looks like I did already...03:05
golinuxfreenode purged old nicks today03:06
golinuxThere was a status message thatthey were going to get rif og unused nicks.03:07
golinuxrid of03:07
yeti"""next weekend (April 12th to April 15th 2020) we will purge unused nicks"""03:07
DonkeyHoteiit's not April 12th yet03:08
yeti<muppetmartian> yip yip </muppetmartian>03:09
golinuxI didn't get to the date.  My reading comprehension sucks these days.  Words are too wordy and boring03:09
fonkywhat is the apt command for dry run03:09
fonky--dry-run?03:09
DonkeyHotei-s03:09
golinuxDonkeyHotei: Thanks for getting back on topic03:11
DonkeyHoteiyw03:11
fonkyty03:12
fonkylxde does not necesarilly use pulseaudio like the rest of the desktop shells?03:15
fonkyby default03:15
* Xenguy wonders if LXDE has solved the problem of providing various automatic notifications...03:17
fonkyXenguy: no03:23
XenguyI very much like LXDE otherwise.03:24
fonkyalso03:24
XenguyMATE has that stuff, but is probably heavier than LXDE.03:24
fonkyhavent tried multi monitor config yet03:24
XenguyHere there be dragons!03:25
fonkymate has it solved well03:25
fonkyxfce not so much :)03:25
fonkylast time i checked, but the second screen is dead atm03:25
XenguyGood to hear it, I mostly used a laptop screen alone for non-work stuff03:25
XenguyI would have thought XFCE would have had that covered, but oh well03:26
fonkygetting a pair of screens next week, will report03:26
XenguyI'd love to hear how it goes, good luck with that.03:27
fonkyoh it will either work or not :)03:27
XenguyHave you heard of that xrandr tool (or whatever it's called) ?03:27
fonkyyeah03:27
XenguyHopefully you won't have to go there, but it's there if you need it03:28
fonkyis xrandr used to configure multi screens aswell03:28
XenguyI've seen people do that03:28
fonkyi just used it to set the resolution of the main03:28
XenguyI mean I've read that people use it for that03:28
XenguyProbably take some research03:29
[steve]time for the post upgrade reboot ...03:32
[steve]My xmobar broke ...03:34
* [steve] uses xmonad 03:35
fonkyoh nice03:38
fonkydevuan added geeqie03:38
fonkyis there any way03:40
fonkyto get an older .deb package of thunderbird03:41
fonkypreferably in the 40.x era03:41
fonkypkgs.org only has 52.x.x.x03:42
[steve]bbiab03:42
fsmithredarchive.debian.org, I think03:42
fonkyty03:42
Xenguyfonky: geeqie (my gawd, the names they choose, and try remembering them) looks pretty interesting03:53
fonkyi think it has slideshow03:55
fonkywhich is nice03:55
fonkystill cant compete with xnview for linux03:56
fonkybut that program as a whole is another matter and closed source03:57
XenguyI have tried to stick to FOSS for quite some years now.  I'm happy there.04:14
* Xenguy thinks, it's video time...04:15
Bjornnfor anyone following along, this is what fixed my no_pub_key issue: wget -q -O - https://dl.google.com/linux/linux_signing_key.pub | sudo apt-key add -04:21
* tuxd3v Xenguy means gaming time?Alien Arena? :)04:21
Bjornndoom eternal maybe04:22
Bjornncrazy graphics04:22
Xenguytuxd3v: nah, more like movies or TV04:26
XenguyI d/l'd a ton today04:27
tuxd3vI pkay sometimes, not fevy often, but yeah sometimes.. only Alien aRena04:31
tuxd3vArena04:31
tuxd3vI compiled it for i386 and is working nice :)04:31
tuxd3vs/fevy/very/04:35
tuxd3vdevuan only have the 7.66+dfsg-3 version which now is obsolete unfortunatly04:36
meep_____Xenguy: Xonotic07:57
tponafXenguy: geeqie used to be gqview (i still rename it), and a fairly straightforward image viewer.  It went for decades without animated gif support.08:01
tponafAnd ldd it to see how much it pulls-in08:01
XenguyOK, I remember gqview, good to know08:02
tponafnow it's pretty bloated and still can't do animated png08:03
tponafi'd like an image/slideshow viewer that grossfades the pictures in slideshow (like gliv) but also has animated png support, and can apply lightness/contrast/gamma to pictures during load/playback08:05
tponafapt-file search blessed be apt-file search09:50
yetiorz09:57
* tponaf builds packages10:37
fonkyhey12:59
fonkyanyone has an idea if there is any alternative not tied to gnome for nautilus-sushi12:59
fonkyi found gloobus12:59
fonkyare there any other?12:59
fonkyoh nevermind used grep :)13:30
tponafhi fonky13:39
fonkyhey tponaf13:39
tponafwhat do you want13:39
fonkyi i found the solution13:39
fonkyoh i?13:39
tponafk13:39
fonky*13:39
fonkyit was just nasty because i had to look over 130k txt files13:40
fonkywhich were recovered13:40
fonkyand i had no clue what to grep for13:40
tponafit is good to learn the unix utility toolkit13:40
fonkybut then i remembered13:40
tponafah yes13:40
fonkyin any case i was looking for something akin to https://pooi.moe/QuickLook/13:43
fonkyfound gloobus and sushi13:43
fonkybut both for gnome, none more or less shell independant13:43
tponafhm13:46
tponafyou can / search with less13:47
meep_____Gnome-devs /REALLY/ like feet, in case you haven't noticed19:26
furrywolfthere's a box on e621 for that...19:27
meep_____I'm not a gnome-dev furrywolf19:34
DonkeyHoteinot everyone can prefer metres19:38
furrywolflol19:50
frabbithi. why this package is not in devuan anymore: https://pkginfo.devuan.org/cgi-bin/d1pkgweb-query?search=python-farstream&release=any21:19
frabbiti need that to use webcam and microphone in gajim 0.16.621:22
furrywolfit was removed from debian, with the suggestion to install it with pip instead.21:22
frabbitfurrywolf: pip?21:24
furrywolflooks like it got removed because of a dependency on GStreamer 0.10, which was removed for being unmaintained.21:24
furrywolfalso, looks like newer gajim doesn't use it, so that might be the easiest option.21:25
frabbit=(21:25
frabbitwhat videocall or videoconference software to use under devuan?21:25
furrywolfpip is python's own package management system21:25
furrywolfdunno, I don't do video anything.  lol21:25
frabbit21:24 < furrywolf> pip is python's own package management system - ok thx21:26
frabbit21:24 < furrywolf> dunno, I don't do video anything.  lol - =(21:26
furrywolfif you upgrade to beowulf, you'll get a newer gajim that doesn't use it.21:27
frabbitanyon else? please...21:27
furrywolf...  what other answer are you looking for?21:27
frabbitfurrywolf: as it seems gajim so not support video audio stuff anymore21:27
frabbitin newer versions21:27
furrywolfI've never even heard of gajim before.  lol21:27
frabbitsomeone at gajim support channel conference.gajim.org told me a few minutes ago: "audio/video support is not really maintained"21:28
frabbit"its buggy and probably doesnt work"21:29
frabbitbut i really need that videocall or better videoconference stuff... anyone any suggesstions?21:30
frabbitjitsi and movim are not available under devuan as it seems...21:30
hemimaniacslack?21:34
zatumiljami?21:35
frabbitslack?: https://pkginfo.devuan.org/stage/ascii/ascii/slack_0.15.2-9.html - jami?: https://pkginfo.devuan.org/cgi-bin/d1pkgweb-query?search=jami&release=any21:37
hemimaniacfrabbit: https://slack.com/intl/en-ca/lp/three?utm_medium=ppc&utm_source=google&utm_campaign=d_ppc_google_ca_en_brand-hv-exp-email&utm_term=%2Bslack&campaign=88216180-CEBA-40C3-8F92-4AC1F052DAB4&gclsrc=ds&gclsrc=ds21:42
frabbithemimaniac: looks ugly...22:00
frabbitwhat about pidgin?22:04
* enyc meows22:04
* furrywolf pets the meowing22:05
enyc Hrrm, how goes beowulf?22:13
debdogmostly harmless22:37
frabbitah! pidgin need farstream too: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pidgin_(software)#Voice_and_video_chat22:39
frabbitso theres no chance to make videocalls under devuan? man that cant be...22:41
debdogsome people mntioned https://jitsi.org/downloads/ lately. never tried it, never peaked behind their curtains, either22:44
golinuxdebdog: That would require frabbit setting it up on his own server22:45
golinuxTheir online version is at https://meet.jit.si/22:46
frabbitgolinux: 1. exactly 2. yes ive tested this before but it doesnt reconize my microphone (tested usb and phone connector)22:49
WonkaJitsi Meeting works fine via Chromium22:49
frabbitWonka: i use firefox22:50
golinuxfrabbit: jitsi is not easy to get working.22:51
Wonkawith Firefox, I had problems - and when I found the hints about going to about:config and setting media.peerconnection.enabled to true, I already had switched to using the standalone client jitsi-meet-x86_64.AppImage22:51
Wonkahaven't tried firefox since22:52
golinuxYes, it works more reliably on chromium/ghrome22:53
golinuxchrome22:53
WonkaI've just opened https://meet.jit.si/FreenodeDevuanMeeting22:53
Wonkajoin me if you dare ;)22:53
golinuxThanks for that hint.  Need to bookmark.22:53
frabbitgolinux: yes i know but i wont use chrom*. found out another problem: jitsi uses WebRTC and that means no encryption....22:53
furrywolfWonka:  browser warning, error something then it's cut off at the bottom of the screen.  heh.22:54
golinuxI get that in FF but them I'm still on jessie.22:55
furrywolfapparantly it does not like my firefox either.22:55
furrywolfalso, I have neither a camera nor a microphone.22:55
frabbitWonka: i get failed to acces your microphone22:55
Wonkafrabbit: hm. cannot really help there.22:56
Wonkafrabbit: did you see me though? or maybe even hear me?22:56
furrywolflast time I did a video chat, it was with cuseeme.  which probably isn't still a thing.  lol22:56
frabbiti can see u but not hear, but thats becuase of my firefox (not using esr here)22:57
golinuxMake sure that access is enabled in setting22:57
Wonkafurrywolf: Google Hangouts, Skype, Slack are all too closed, likely?22:57
frabbithmm.. maybe sound is always a problem22:57
frabbitoutput and input...22:58
furrywolfWonka:  I know nothing about them.... frabbit is the one trying to find a solution.22:58
frabbitgolinux: it doesnt ask for access the microphone.. =(22:59
golinuxfrabbit: many hardcore devuan users have had trouble getting sound to work22:59
frabbitgolinux: with firefox-esr?23:00
golinuxGo to ff settings to allow.  There is also an icon in the address bar23:00
frabbiti do not use the firefox from the repos23:00
golinuxThis is really OT for this channel.  Can we move to #debianfork?23:00
Wonkasound in sufficiently new firefox needs pulseaudio23:00
specingmeep meep23:00
frabbitwith the repo versin i can get sound (installed that one on another computer and checked with youtube)23:00
golinuxNot on devuan23:00
frabbitWonka: hopefully not... =(23:01
golinuxstill works with also (or so I've heard)23:01
furrywolfsounds in -esr firefox should work fine without pulse23:01
frabbitgolinux: sure23:01
golinuxalsa23:01
frabbitat #devuanfork now23:01
debdogwhat does dmo stand for in a version numbering? like e.g. libx265-51:amd64  1.6-dmo123:20
debdogI have a bunch of them but I have no clue where they might have come from23:20
fsmithreddeb-multimedia.org23:20
golinuxYou are too fast23:20
fsmithredyou upgraded from an early version of jessie23:20
fsmithredand didn't purge the dmo packages23:21
golinuxI still have some dmo stuff on my jessie23:21
debdogyes, system is beowulf <-- ascii <-- devuan jessie23:21
debdogbut I cannot recall ever have multimedia had in my sources.list23:22
debdogmove that had where it bleongs :D23:22
fsmithrednope. You didn't.23:23
debdogok, so I should be able to just purge them?23:23
fsmithredyeah23:23
fsmithredyou might have to replace some, but that should have already happened23:23
debdogrgr23:23
debdogshould™23:23
fsmithredyup23:23
debdogwhat if should™ has not worked? can I force it?23:24
fsmithred--simulate is your friend23:24
debdogsince aptitudes asks each time I usually do not simulate anything23:25
debdog*aptidude23:25
debdogok, I'll dig in again…23:25
fsmithredit's good in case you hit the wrong key when going through the options23:27
debdoghehe, true23:27
debdogI think the question is, why haven't they been updated yet? https://dpaste.org/Nhvr/raw23:42
debdogjust as an example23:42
fsmithredbecause they added an epoch23:44
fsmithredlibmp3lame0:23:44
fsmithred  Installed: 3.100-2+b123:44
fsmithred1:3.99.5-dmo423:44
fsmithredthe 1: makes it a later version23:44
debdogwhat does epoch mean in that context?23:44
debdogoh23:45
debdogdang23:45
fsmithredeither remove it and install from repo or force downgrade23:45
fsmithredI think you can 'apt install package=version'23:45
debdogoh my. it's quite a list and I would have to do that for each package manually23:46
fsmithredthere's an easier way, if I can find it23:47
debdogthat'd be awsome23:47
fsmithredsorry, that was probably 4 years ago23:50
debdoghehe, no worries, I'll find a way23:50
fsmithredwhat I think I did was dpkg -l | grep dmo23:50
debdogthat I have. but my awk/sed-fu is not that good23:50
fsmithredand then a little more filtering, and used that as input list for apt23:50
fsmithredthe first part will give you all the packages from dmo plus a few false positives23:51
debdogright23:51
fsmithredlook at the list and pick a few key players23:51
fsmithreda lot will go auto23:51
debdogbecause of dependencies?23:52
fsmithredyeah23:52
debdogk23:52

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