libera/#devuan/ Tuesday, 2020-04-07

tuxd3vping fsmithred03:29
fsmithredhi03:31
blebwhenever i mount a remote dir with sshfs, if i suspend my computer, the mountpoint becomes unresponsive and any process that tries to access it can't be killed04:17
blebis there any way to avoid this behavior04:17
bleblike just let it be unmounted and let me run sshfs again04:18
tuxd3vbleb, you mean ofcourse after suspension ?!04:19
blebyeah04:20
tuxd3vor later when you wakeup your system04:20
blebafter it wakes up04:20
tuxd3vhave you tried a 'mount -o remount -a'04:22
gnarfacequestion for kde users; is the experience better on beowulf than ascii in any significant way?  (asking for a friend)09:31
cushthat's like blaming the glass for the bad beer your poured in it09:33
gnarfaceyou're reading something into the statement that isn't there.09:35
gnarfacei really am just asking if it's worth upgrading.09:35
gnarfaceand i'm really not the one using it.09:35
cushok09:36
gnarfacebut i figured some people around here would have already tried both and had some opinions09:37
cushbuilding firefox (pale moon) again. just insane what browsers have become09:41
blebfound a weird bug on beowulf beta15:30
blebif i highlight something with a curved quote in firefox, i can't paste it outside firefox15:37
blebone example is the Note here: https://www.netbsd.org/docs/pkgsrc/using.html#how-to-build-and-install15:38
blebcan anyone reproduce?15:39
blebbash has also been sporadically complaining about my locale being set incorrectly or not being set; could this be related?15:39
cushhi bleb i hope to help18:35
cushcurved quotes like e.g. “make” ?18:36
cushworks fine here19:05
ejrhi. so last week i installed devuan 3.0 on another machine and everything works fine except wifi. Yesterday wifi was suddenly disabled and the device was hardblocked with rfkill19:25
ejri attached another usb wifi device and then it worked again, even the internal one that was previously blocked.19:26
ejrthe internal one is an intel, the other one rtlwifi.19:26
ejrtoday then, the same thing happened (wifi deactivated, hardblocked wlan0) but now even my external rtlwifi device does not work anymore. I also cannot activate wifi in networkmanager, it says it is deactivated and I cannot activate it.19:27
ejrwhat could be the reason for this?19:27
cushhi ejr19:28
ejrmight it be related to apparmor?19:28
cushi would begin by learning wifimanagement without networkmanager19:30
ejrcush: i know how to use wpa_supplicant and all manually. but this is not a problem with networkmanager. I tried using wpa_supplicant and still couldnt connect19:30
ejr(unless nm somehow blocks other configurations of wifi)19:31
cushi've forgotten too much of it myself to be of more specific assistance19:31
ejrahhh! interesting, now it works again.19:35
inakI would like to encrypt my devuan partition. Would the following scenario work? I would cp -a / /mnt/devuan, then encrypt the devuan partition. After encryption, mount that partition and then either mv or cp -a /devuan /mnt.19:35
ejrso, my thinkpad x61s has a switch that allows to deactivate wifi, i.e. hardblock it. i did definitely not touch it yesterday or today, but now i just set it to wifi off and then back to wifi on, and all of a sudden everything works fine again.19:36
ejrstrange.19:36
cushthat might reload the kernel module ejr or otherwise reset it19:37
ejryes, i also thought it might be related to some modprobe issue, and i reloaded both that of the intel card and the rtlwifi module. still that had no effect though19:38
inakbrb19:42
cushsorry inak i don't know19:48
inakcush: np, thanks anyway :)19:48
inakI may try it and see anyway. But was trying to be safe, in case it wasn't good to do.19:49
cushi know if i encrypt my system partitions it's going to bite me in the butt someday19:50
inakyeah, probably. Just wanted to try and see how it works since it all seems to be talked about quite a bit nowadays.19:51
cushi'm sure people can have valid reasons for it, including just wanting it in their sysadmin skillset19:52
inakyeah19:53
inakwell, think I'll go search/study more about it, before trying :)19:54
ejrcan i just uninstall apparmor on devuan, without running into config problems on next boot?20:57
ejrguess i'll just try. :)21:14
cushi can't guarantee you won't ejr21:16
cushi've only played with it a little while21:16
blebi installed kde-plasma-desktop to try it out22:23
blebdidnt like it22:23
blebnow if i ls somewhere with an sshfs mount, kde wallet tries to manage the authentication and won't close22:24
blebi did apt purge kde-plasma-desktop, but it's still on my computer22:26
blebhow do i uninstall this stuff22:26
masonbleb: now try apt --purge autoremove22:27
masonbleb: Probably most of KDE is automatically installed based on that.22:27
blebits certainly the only package i installed manually22:28
cushkde is not a decision to be taken lightly22:29
* cush chuckles22:29
fsmithredbleb, is task-kde-desktop installed? That might keep it in. (along with everything else it keeps in)22:31
blebno22:33
blebi think i might be okay after that autoremove command22:33
bleband rebooting22:33
blebunrelated issue:22:33
fsmithredoh, good22:33
blebwhen i hit tab in bash, instead of autocomplete i get "bash: warning: setlocale: LC_CTYPE: cannot change locale (en_US.UTF-8)22:34
blebanyone else get this?22:34
fsmithredyeah, the locale setting in the installer doesn't stick22:34
fsmithredrun 'dpkg-reconfigure locales'22:34
blebi feel like it might have something to do with the copying curved quotes issue i was complaining about last night22:34
fsmithredoh, maybe22:35
cushyour locale might not have unicode support and hence no mapping for those particular 'curved quotes' codepoints22:37

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