libera/#devuan/ Sunday, 2020-04-19

ujduwjduwjuwdjuw Backend /usr/lib/cups/backend/ipp does not exist!05:01
ujduwjduwjuwdjuwcups suddenly wont print anylonger05:01
ujduwjduwjuwdjuw“Backend /usr/lib/cups/backend/lpd does not exist!”05:03
ujduwjduwjuwdjuwwhy is everything breaking?05:03
furrywolfdid you upgrade something recently?05:12
ujduwjduwjuwdjuwfurrywolf yes05:35
ujduwjduwjuwdjuwlots of pkgs05:35
ujduwjduwjuwdjuwI got it working again by reinstalling stuff after removing a apt source05:35
ujduwjduwjuwdjuw/usr/lib/cups/backend/lpd was there though05:36
ujduwjduwjuwdjuwso I don't know why the error came up05:36
ujduwjduwjuwdjuwacc05:39
ujduwjduwjuwdjuw it still doesn't actually print anything05:39
ujduwjduwjuwdjuwwtf05:39
Xenguy.oO( Happy Days, and it has nothing to do with millenials ... )07:38
openbsdt1i123I created sda3 and sda4, on beowulf amd64, Y� change signature, but then mkfs.ext3 /dev/sda3 doesnot find sda3 and besides it needs a reboot. mkfs.ext is broken on amd64, it hangs, but on contrary on i386, it works all the time.08:47
openbsdt1i123So, usually I take my live openbsd cdrom to make a clean format, I trust more.08:48
premobossbloched at home by codiv-19. sub-teen ageer sons at home too. he always connected to youtube. teach him gently failed. now i must go to do a script to limit yoube daily time, i think to use cronto run some script that chech if timeslice is correct (ie: 10-12 and 15-17) if not, block the change /etc/hosts to redirect youtube to 127.0.0.1. i know how to do. what i miss, is to block the current youtube connection in case it is on10:46
premobossgoing. my idea is to sniff network connection (how to do?) look if it is to youtube and kill it. hany succestion, pleas? signed: near-to-be-desperate father :-)10:46
ShorTieA good firewall has that built in10:59
premobossShorTie, what can you suggest me? i can isntall on the "target" PC on onto a "homemade wifi router" i did, so no problems WHERE to install, just suggest me WHAT to install, thanks.11:05
meep_____premoboss: instead of using a firewall maybe you could try a more..person to person approach unrelated to computers11:06
meep_____He could always download tor11:07
meep_____Internet censorship is not very effective11:07
meep_____Even China with all it's manpower can't do it against their own urban youth11:07
premobossmeep_____, 8 y/o kid. person-to-person approch quite failed. unfortunately he has the same bad character he has when i had his age... but when i 2as kid, there was not the temtation of youtube. actually i ssh into his pc and disable youtube by /etc/hosts. he has not root password :-)11:08
premobossi dont want to censorship, i want to limit PC time. he should came out in the garden to do some bicycle tour not only sit down in front of pc.11:09
meep_____Heh. When I was that old I would go on google and try every single link until I found a proxy that worked11:09
meep_____But anyways iptables supports time-based rules11:10
premobossmeep_____, he still not so "nerd" :-)11:10
premobossmeep_____, i was always so stipid at iptables. can you point me to some working examples?11:10
meep_____The man page11:11
meep_____Man iptables11:11
premobossok11:11
premobossi ll do.11:11
meep_____I would press F8 on startup and the teachers would start panicking thinking i hacked the mainframe or something11:17
fsmithredat 12:0011:17
fsmithredat> shutdown -h now11:17
fsmithredctrl-d11:17
fsmithredor at> ifdown eth011:18
fsmithredrouter might have settings to limit connection times11:19
ShorTieSmoothWall does11:31
specingpremoboss: you need to get better at capturing attention than youtube is12:22
specingWhich you can't do, goddamn megacorps12:22
premobossspecing, do you have kids?12:22
specingsadly not12:24
premobossspecing, well, it means you DOES NOT know what you are talking about. "kids administration" is a so difficul task. the "job of parents" must be learned on the field. im not complain you, i am just tell you what the reality is.12:25
specingI liked the approach my parents took12:26
specingThere was a PC but no internet12:26
specingPerhaps you can try that12:27
premobossthe magic to be father disappear around 4Yo of son, till that age, it is "the joy to be father". after that, it is only "the load to be father".12:27
premobossom doing a scriprt hatlimit internet to 4 hours a day and turn of at 9 pm.12:27
specingjust turn it off entirely12:27
premobossyes.12:27
specingDoes he actually need it?12:28
specingNo, I mean entirely entirely12:28
specingcancel your house's internet contract altogether12:28
cushwe want more than we need12:28
premobossspecing, the funny joke.12:29
specingpremoboss:?12:29
premobossyes specing ?12:30
specingAre you addicted to internet as well?12:30
premobossi am addicted, yes, but im am still able to manage myself.12:30
premobosscos im adult. kids are not mature enough to controll theyself.12:31
specinghah, addicts managing themselves...12:31
cushare you addicted to electricity specing ?12:31
premobosscush, BWHAWHWAHHWAHWAHAWHWA you are right!12:31
specingpremoboss: just turn of his internet entirely, then12:31
specingspecing | Does he actually need it?12:31
cushspecing is planting the wrong questions into your head, premoboss - don't listen to him12:32
specingooooh, I have an even better idea12:32
* specing so evil12:32
specingpremoboss: limit internet to 50 KB/s :D12:32
premobosscush, yes, he is sarcastic/ironical, i got it, thanks12:32
cushyou know your relationship with son better than any of us.  back to devuan.12:33
onefangYeah, this is the Devuan support channel, not a parenting support channel.  Let's just discuss the technical problems, not the social ones.12:34
gnarfaceyes, i agree.  and that's frankly a much easier way out of this cleverly disguised attempt to force us to explain to you how to execute a MITM attack12:36
cushanyone interested in devuan on mobile is welcome to check out maemo-leste.  i got a droid 4 running devuan + leste now and it's great fun12:36
cushhaving the same linux on phone and desktop.  it's great12:37
premobossgnarface, hey man! no cracker here! i will block intenret access with cron and a script that terminate eth and wlan interface on scheduled time. before accuse someone, be sure you are right: take your suspects for yourself, thanks.. bye.12:39
onefangThat's the technical problem I meant.12:40
gnarfacepremoboss: and if you would like to join #debianfork i'll happily discuss at length with you how shitty of a parent you are in your hypothetically invented cover story12:40
gnarfacepremoboss: but i won't entertain the notion that i believe the lie.  your ploy is transparent12:40
premobossgnarface, if this is an attempt to send you picture of me and so to convice you that ia ma right, you are wrong. i dont share my son picture with (maybe) perverted and pedofiliac people.12:42
premobossson*12:43
gnarfacei can't even parse that almost continuous gibberish but i'm pretty sure that if it were something true you wouldn't feel the need to bring it up right now12:45
gnarfaceyou're really sick in the head and you need to stop12:46
cushgnarface: reviewing the chat, he just wants to crontab entry ifup and ifdown. where's the help-me-MITM-someone request?12:51
premobossgnarface, bla bla bla.. .ok, you discover me Sherlok! shame on me, oh God, fengive plaease! now i leave in you monolithic certainty, poor man.12:52
premobosscush, you are right. but i am doing by mysefl.. if youn need, i wll copy and paste yoo you if you need :-)12:53
cushpremoboss: maybe we can script something where after an interface logs > X megabytes of traffic it gets shutdown til next day?12:53
cushhow do i get a log of traffic on an interface anyway.12:54
cushwithout logging the actual traffic - just the kB every minute or something12:54
premobossno, i do better: if time is not in 10-12 or 17-19 hours, i will ifdown all the interface.s the script will cronotab every 5 minutes. io think is a good point of start to be refined ongoing. si i have not to blow my mind with iptables.. irt was always ostic to me iptables, unfortunately.12:55
cushyeah i learned a bit of iptables, then they changed it on me12:55
premobossi thin to add aslo tth check od day-of-week to be more contrlled (sleep late on friday and saturday)12:56
premobosscush, private message for you.13:58
Hurgotronhmm... pulseaudio doesn't autostart for me. Does it for anyone? Where is it being started?16:16
fsmithredHurgotron, check /etc/pulse/client.conf.d/00-disable-autospawn.conf and comment out the autospawn line16:18
fsmithreddid you do a fresh install or did you upgrade from ascii?16:19
HurgotronFresh install. Works fine on ascii, issues on beowulf16:20
HurgotronI don't get the autostart mechanism on ascii either. It comes back after killall pulseaudio, owned by pid1, no log entries. Would appreciate a hint16:22
fsmithredthat's the only hint I have, and it's specific to beowulf16:24
fsmithrednot sure what needs to be restarted after the edit. Maybe just PA, maybe desktop, maybe reboot.16:26
Hurgotronreboot worked, thanks a lot. Main issue is solved.16:28
HurgotronStill, I'd like to know which part of the system does the restarting...16:29
fsmithredanything in /etc/init.d for it?16:30
Hurgotronnothing shows up when I grep for 'pulse'16:30
HurgotronI'll find out.16:31
fsmithredI'm booting a VM that has it.16:31
fsmithredwill look around16:31
fsmithredmaybe /lib/udev/rules.d/90-pulseaudio.rules16:34
fsmithredok, probably /etc/init.d/pulseaudio-enable-autospawn16:36
furrywolfapt-get purge pulseaudio.  :)16:37
fsmithredthat would work fine for me16:37
fsmithredthat last file doesn't actually exist16:38
fsmithredapt-file must be checking some version other than beowulf16:38
fsmithredHurgotron, it's in desktop settings - Application Autostart16:39
fsmithredand there's /etc/xdg/autostart/pulseaudio.desktop16:40
Hurgotronno, that starts start-pulseaudio-x11 which needs the daemon already running.16:41
HurgotronI'm currently suspecting rtkit to do the daemon starting, but I don't really understand the dbus /  freedesktop stuff16:43
fsmithredI don't understand any of it, but /etc/pulse/system.pa looks like it might be relevant.16:50
fsmithredHurgotron, are you expecing PA to start again if you kill it? It's not doing that here - it just stays dead.16:54
fsmithredBut if I try to play an audio file, it plays and PA is running again.16:56
Hurgotronfsmithred: Well, it did restart and I didn't know why (after commenting the autospawn line). But I found out that if you have the pulseaudio panel plugin runnimg, it does the restarting.17:03
HurgotronThat is slightly confusing - didn't expect it to do that.17:04
HurgotronBut thanks a lot, I'm all set now.17:04
fsmithredis that pasystray?17:05
fsmithredHurgotron, where did you get the panel plugin? Did you just pavucontrol to the panel?17:06
fsmithrednm, I see it in the panel list of things to add17:07
ux_manHi all! I did a install of the beowulf_x86_64 beta installer, installed only the base system without desktops, then seperatly installed xorg, xdm, cwm & virt-manager... until now a flawless expierience...20:53
cushis fun yes ux_man20:58
saciozMy sincere thanks to all of you for your time in keeping this system up and running.I got an old brother printer alive and cracking again.22:46

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