| meep_____ | the net | 00:31 |
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| meep_____ | has split again | 00:31 |
| crashoverride | meep_____: hey it's called freesplit for a reason right? | 01:10 |
| MinceR | :> | 01:11 |
| gnarface | can anyone tell me if they can launch blender on ceres? i seem to be experiencing a bug that the debian bugtracker says was supposed to have been fixed | 02:51 |
| gnarface | launched from a console i get: "blender: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/libOpenColorIO.so.1: undefined symbol: _ZN4YAML6detail9node_data12empty_scalarB5cxx11E" | 02:52 |
| gnarface | (actually at first i got errors about missing libosdcpu3.4.0 and libosdgpu3.4.0, but they were really just missing symlinks) | 02:53 |
| rhYt | mason, U bounced out of that other chan without giving me a chance to discuss. | 04:07 |
| rhYt | I'm skeptical and open-minded. This makes it difficult for people to affix a solid label. | 04:07 |
| mason | rhYt: I'll go back in to discuss. | 04:16 |
| bleb | zoom on linux lets you configure the webcam aspect ratio as 16:9 or "original ratio" | 06:36 |
| bleb | on this x201 it looks like "original ratio" gives me 16:10 | 06:36 |
| bleb | think there's any way to configure this "original ratio" from the OS? | 06:37 |
| meep_____ | You mean CCP botnet | 06:37 |
| meep_____ | Probably via qv4lctl, but depends if your camera support it | 06:38 |
| meep_____ | Otherwise there is always the ability to proccess video yourself with ffmpeg | 06:38 |
| bleb | but it would have to show up as a webcam in order for zoom to use it as input, no? | 06:38 |
| meep_____ | No | 06:47 |
| meep_____ | Any video feed there's an out of tree kernel module you can use call v4loopback | 06:47 |
| meep_____ | Just process any video source into raw 4:2:2 or 4:2:2j video feed and pipe it into the kernel loopback | 06:48 |
| meep_____ | Any program will think it's a webcam | 06:48 |
| bleb | is there a ffmpeg pipeline you can suggest as a proof of concept | 06:49 |
| meep_____ | fmpeg -i goatse.mkv -vf curves=lsd,transpose=2 -pix_fmt yuyv422 -f v4l2 /dev/video0 | 06:58 |
| ejr | hi! i recently had an external device attached to devuan, and i unmounted it correctly as far as i can tell. however since then devuan complains about a failed fsck check during boot and i manually have to press Control-D. My ssd is not corrupt though, it seems to be looking for the external device still. How can I get rid of that error during boot? | 09:16 |
| ejr | http://paste.debian.net/1144270/ | 09:17 |
| ejr | thats the part from /var/log/boot | 09:17 |
| ejr | (after which i have to press Control+d) | 09:17 |
| ErRandir | look at the last field for the device in /etc/fstab | 09:43 |
| ErRandir | or maybe it tries to mount it automatically on boot | 09:47 |
| rrq | ejr: it might have been in fstab of the initrd and you haven't updated that | 09:47 |
| meep_____ | ejr: repair the filesystem manually and then continue the boot | 09:52 |
| ejr | hmm, its not in fstab | 09:53 |
| ejr | meep____: it's a luks-encrypted external device and I'm scared that checking it is going to corrupt it, as i dont think it would recognise it properly when its encrypted. | 09:55 |
| ejr | also it doesnt seem to be damaged when i mount it later on | 09:55 |
| meep_____ | ejr: unlock the lucks container and run fsck by hand on the dm-mapped block device | 09:59 |
| meep_____ | *luks | 09:59 |
| ejr | ok, just fsck or fsck.ext4? | 10:00 |
| meep_____ | Whatever works | 10:01 |
| ejr | ok, and the device to run it on would be /dev/mapper/crypto after running cryptsetup luksOpen /dev/sdb1 crypto, right? | 10:02 |
| meep_____ | I forgot | 10:04 |
| meep_____ | It's /dev/mapper/something | 10:04 |
| meep_____ | /device | 10:04 |
| ejr | ok, thanks | 10:06 |
| _abc_ | I was wondering some time ago how the integration of out arch frenemy Poettring into the world of suits went. Turns out it was easy, they tolerate the yobs so far. Slightly off topic but tangent to #devuan and whatever the opposition will throw at us next, probably. https://www.theregister.co.uk/2020/04/30/red_hat_ceo_interview_ibm/ | 12:09 |
| * _abc_ is done spamming. | 12:10 | |
| _abc_ | Also they drop all pretense wrt "universal" operating system, clearly oriented now towards container and Kubernetes which explains the "agile" development of super fast boot times where billing is by the second in the cloud. Another reason to stick to devuan (systemd less) by all means possible. | 12:11 |
| ullet | mhm #debianfork is better _abc_ | 12:20 |
| _abc_ | I think it is relevant to devuan in that maybe in the near future it will be necessary to keep devuan repos for a lot more things than now, just to keep things working as they used to. | 12:41 |
| ullet | though it is related to devuan, a discussion would have of unrelated branches _abc_ | 12:48 |
| ullet | * a lot of | 12:49 |
| HeteroChromia420 | heya. i'm trying to get into emulation on a very weak laptop of mine. i was considering downloading&compiling retropie, should i do that? | 17:39 |
| gnarface | HeteroChromia420: i don't really know, but there are numerous emulators already in the repo that weren't specifically designed for raspberry pis | 17:47 |
| gnarface | (most of them are probably old enough to qualify for most "weak laptops") | 17:48 |
| gnarface | i think retropi is specifically built for ARM hardware, no? so that would not be impossible to run on all x86 hardware, but it probably would be more trouble than it is worth | 17:51 |
| gnarface | if you just want a multi-emulator front-end, mythtv can do that too, and probably some others... | 17:57 |
| HeteroChromia420 | retropi does have a x86 version that you can compile, so i thought on asking | 17:57 |
| gnarface | oh? well it might be worth it then | 17:57 |
| gnarface | i can't say i've used it myself | 17:57 |
| HeteroChromia420 | i could use retroarch for the multi-emulator experience, but i don't think devuan does have all of the cores from the regular version. | 17:57 |
| HeteroChromia420 | (at least not in the repos) | 17:58 |
| gnarface | yea i don't know | 17:58 |
| gnarface | try it and let us know? | 17:59 |
| gnarface | i might be able to help with build tips | 17:59 |
| HeteroChromia420 | hm, looks like retropie doesn't let me use it's compilation setup as it says that "You need Raspbian/Debian Stretch or newer" | 18:00 |
| gnarface | hmmm. which devuan are you on? my guess is that it's just doing a dumb string check you can change | 18:01 |
| HeteroChromia420 | yet i'm running beowulf. probably it checks for the string values in lsb_release or smth | 18:01 |
| buZz | bye | 18:02 |
| buZz | :D | 18:02 |
| gnarface | hmm, wrong button i'm guessing | 18:02 |
| buZz | :) | 18:02 |
| gnarface | HeteroChromia420: i there a ./debian/ directory in the source root? | 18:02 |
| HeteroChromia420 | checking, brb | 18:02 |
| gnarface | if there is, you can probably change what disro it looks for somewhere in there | 18:03 |
| HeteroChromia420 | i'm using the github version; there is no debian folder in here | 18:03 |
| HeteroChromia420 | maybe it checks it on the sh? | 18:03 |
| gnarface | i don't know | 18:03 |
| gnarface | try this on it: grep -rni 'stretch' . | 18:04 |
| HeteroChromia420 | will do | 18:04 |
| gnarface | it has a ./configure script? | 18:07 |
| gnarface | or just a makefile, or what? | 18:07 |
| gnarface | it might be in there | 18:07 |
| HeteroChromia420 | it has quite a few sh files that it uses. | 18:07 |
| HeteroChromia420 | looking at one of the scripts, it does have a few mentions of devuan, but clearly it isn't working | 18:08 |
| gnarface | maybe something more like: grep -ni 'stretch' `find ./ -iname '*.sh'` | 18:09 |
| gnarface | (i'm just grepping some old wine source and realizing that the word "stretch" isn't as uncommon as i expected) | 18:10 |
| HeteroChromia420 | is there a way to edit the version info on lsb_release? i want to try something | 18:11 |
| gnarface | uh... there is, i'm pretty sure about that. i forget how though | 18:12 |
| ErRandir | maybe hack /etc/lsb-release.d/* ? | 18:12 |
| HeteroChromia420 | directory doesn't exist | 18:12 |
| gnarface | for all i know you'd have to rebuild it too | 18:14 |
| HeteroChromia420 | nvm, found the script that checks the lsb_release number | 18:15 |
| HeteroChromia420 | changed the value to 2 | 18:15 |
| gnarface | well anyway i just discovered it's probably /etc/apparmor.d fyi | 18:15 |
| gnarface | hehe | 18:15 |
| gnarface | /etc/apparmor.d/ | 18:16 |
| gnarface | not sure where in there | 18:16 |
| gnarface | my first impression is that this looks, somewhat overcomplicated. mabye don't mess with it. | 18:18 |
| gnarface | who knows what else it might break, better to change the script | 18:18 |
| openbsdtai123 | hi guys, on devuan main website, you forgot to put CD1 amd64 beowulf.. it is a bit mess tehre. | 18:53 |
| openbsdtai123 | there is desktop of 3.6gb but no cd1. ... https://mirror.leaseweb.com/devuan/devuan_beowulf/installer-iso/ the content is bit mess there. | 18:54 |
| buZz | well, its not released yet | 18:56 |
| buZz | ;) | 18:56 |
| openbsdtai123 | clean up the folder, have a look clean order, structured: https://ftp.openbsd.org/pub/ | 18:57 |
| buZz | eventually, sure | 18:58 |
| openbsdtai123 | name or number/..../source/ | 18:58 |
| openbsdtai123 | please add the source in there. this is open*source* still and not binaries like ms windows. | 18:59 |
| buZz | lol what | 19:00 |
| buZz | openbsd has it easy because its not 50000 packages :D | 19:00 |
| buZz | debian variant distros have just too much source available | 19:00 |
| openbsdtai123 | Earliest debian 0.93, bo,... had more source availabilities, like slackware it is still very focused on source, opensource code. | 19:00 |
| buZz | so apt now has src repos for people that want it | 19:00 |
| buZz | and so does devuan | 19:00 |
| openbsdtai123 | 50'000 is high number. | 19:01 |
| buZz | you dont say | 19:01 |
| gnarface | i'm seeing 59666 here | 19:02 |
| openbsdtai123 | one day going far from opensource, no return will be possible. this is law of nature. | 19:02 |
| buZz | nice, almost 60k | 19:02 |
| buZz | openbsdtai123: well cool , so you prefer to ignore the source available and just complain | 19:02 |
| buZz | thats fine , but i'll ask you to move such talk somewhere else ;) | 19:02 |
| openbsdtai123 | netbsd does first from source code. build.sh and it is done. | 19:02 |
| buZz | all bsds have -very few- packages by design | 19:03 |
| buZz | linux is not openbsd or netbsd, linux has -many many- packages | 19:03 |
| openbsdtai123 | pkgsrc has a lot | 19:03 |
| buZz | thats cool , does openbsd release -all- those source at -every- release just for idiots that cant use apt? | 19:03 |
| buZz | huge waste of effort and space | 19:03 |
| openbsdtai123 | I need to go... see you later buzz. | 19:03 |
| buZz | farewell | 19:03 |
| mason | pkgsores breaks too often for my taste. It's single-handedly responsible for my moving to Debian for production in the early 2000s. | 19:26 |
| mason | openbsdtai123: #debianfork is better for discussing non-Devuan-support things, now that I've caught up with the questionable scrollback. | 19:29 |
| openbsdtai123 | well, I had to mention that there was CD1 missing, i.e. devuan, for concern. | 19:42 |
| mason | openbsdtai123: I trust that it'll be there when Beowulf is actually released. | 19:43 |
| openbsdtai123 | ok | 19:43 |
| openbsdtai123 | thank you | 19:43 |
| ullet | did you know you can send SIGSTOP to your browser to temporarily stop it using cpu, and SIGCONT to resume execution? now you do! | 20:08 |
| buZz | should work for any process really :P | 20:10 |
| golinux | openbsdtai123: CD1 is the server CD | 20:11 |
| golinux | Please read the top of this page: https://beta.devuan.org/get-devuan | 20:12 |
| golinux | Sometimes you have to RTFM even if you know everything. | 20:13 |
| golinux | mason: ^^^ | 20:14 |
| mason | golinux: Oh, interesting. I hadn't actually looked at the ISOs available given that we're not released yet. | 20:16 |
| golinux | That's the beta site so quite appropriate to list them there | 20:16 |
| mason | Sure. For my own purposes, I only ever install with a netinstaller or from a netboot or portable drive with debootstrap. | 20:17 |
| ullet | i made a script to auto-sigstop firefox if i clicked on a different window | 20:33 |
| ullet | using wmctrl to get the PID | 20:34 |
| ullet | sadly i only managed to do it with polling, which meant that SIGCONT took a couple seconds to activate | 20:34 |
| ullet | this function could be integrated into the windowmanager | 20:35 |
| ullet | something nobody has done before | 20:35 |
| ullet | you read it here first :P | 20:35 |
| buZz | :) | 20:36 |
| buZz | my browser commits suicide all the time | 20:37 |
| buZz | i mean, its killing tabs that i havent had active | 20:37 |
| buZz | so mem and cpu load is always superlow | 20:37 |
| ullet | nice | 20:51 |
| systemdlete | how do I install python-gnome2 and python-support -- needed for foldingathome | 22:14 |
| systemdlete | This is for beowulf | 22:14 |
| ullet | maybe with pip install or pip3 install systemdlete | 22:16 |
| mason | systemdlete: There's python-gtk2 available. Do you mean that? | 22:20 |
| systemdlete | possibly. Was following the EXACT instructions at https://foldingathome.org/support/faq/installation-guides/configuration-guide/. Maybe it's outdated. Thank you for your responses. | 22:22 |
| systemdlete | Ah. When I install python-gtk, it wants more packages that it cannot resolve | 22:23 |
| mason | systemdlete: There's also https://foldingathome.org/support/faq/installation-guides/linux/manual-installation-advanced/ | 22:24 |
| systemdlete | It seems to have the same content as the other page. | 22:24 |
| systemdlete | I will try the pip approach | 22:25 |
| mason | systemdlete: So, I downloaded those, and I'm saying apt install ./foo | 22:25 |
| systemdlete | Yes, mason, I did also. Problem is, when it tries to install FAHControl, it completes but warns you that those 2 packages are not installable. | 22:26 |
| mason | Ah, now I see python-support and python-gnome2 coming in | 22:26 |
| ullet | a lot of python stuff is more actively maintained in the pip repos systemdlete | 22:26 |
| mason | systemdlete: So, they say Debian/Mint/Ubuntu, but they really mean Ubuntu there - Debian doesn't ship it. | 22:26 |
| systemdlete | How do I get pip itself? | 22:27 |
| systemdlete | Do I need to configure something for apt? | 22:27 |
| sixwheeledbeast | can you just install the client packages without the control package? | 22:28 |
| mason | systemdlete: THe package is python-pip | 22:28 |
| systemdlete | (I'm more of a perl guy than a python guy myself) | 22:28 |
| sixwheeledbeast | s/packages/package/ | 22:28 |
| systemdlete | Sure, and I can drive the car without the air conditioning. But I'd like air conditioning | 22:28 |
| mason | heh | 22:29 |
| systemdlete | Well, I am curious to see what options it provides, per the web pages | 22:29 |
| systemdlete | FAH is running, working. I was just hoping to get the 12" sub, not the 6" sub. | 22:30 |
| sixwheeledbeast | Well as far as I am aware you can control the "air-conditioning" from the terminal without the "car" | 22:30 |
| systemdlete | Like, cool the garage so the car will be cool when you drive it? | 22:31 |
| systemdlete | (Yes, I know there is a CLI for FAH) | 22:31 |
| systemdlete | pip install: "Could not install packages due to an EnvironmentError: 404 Client Error: Not Found for url: https://pypi.org/simple/python-support/ | 22:32 |
| systemdlete | " | 22:32 |
| systemdlete | Let's forget this, shall we? I can live without FAHcontrol I guess. | 22:33 |
| systemdlete | Too much for for too much benefit. Not. | 22:34 |
| systemdlete | World Computing Grid will have a Covid project soon, per their website. I have had fairly good luck with WCG in the past. | 22:35 |
| sixwheeledbeast | ok I don't think your missing much anyway | 22:36 |
| systemdlete | My beowulf vm takes a long nap right after launching cups and cups-browsed. Any ideas? | 23:03 |
| systemdlete | (It did this even before I installed FAH) | 23:03 |
| systemdlete | (during boot, I mean) | 23:04 |
| systemdlete | Looks like it might be dovecot, since that seems to launch next. | 23:05 |
| systemdlete | Prob a bad config -- I'm thinking of the listening ports. | 23:05 |
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