| gnarface | zram swap! | 00:02 |
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| veeee | is there a way to manually download packages? | 00:04 |
| onefang | The package mirrors are just ordinary web servers, so you you can manually download packages from any of them. | 00:06 |
| onefang | "so yes you can". | 00:06 |
| veeee | what's the right command to do that? | 00:07 |
| onefang | Though keep in mind most Devuan packages are unchanged Debian packages, and most of the mirrrors just redirect those packages to the Debian mirror system. | 00:07 |
| veeee | are you saying i could download a package from debian and install it on devuan? | 00:08 |
| onefang | Most of the time that's basically what you are doing anyway. Depends on the package. | 00:09 |
| systemdlete | Depends on whether the package has to be defanged | 00:11 |
| veeee | how do i tell? | 00:12 |
| onefang | I guess the easiest way is to use - apt install ----download-only packageName | 00:13 |
| fsmithred | the packages that we fork from debian have 'devuan' in the version | 00:21 |
| fsmithred | apt-cache policy <package> will give you version information | 00:22 |
| systemdlete | xscreensaver has a module called Zoom. So guess what? Guess what happens if you happen to have the zoom conferencing program installed *AND* are running xscreensaver in, say, random mode? | 00:32 |
| systemdlete | OK, I'll tell you. | 00:33 |
| systemdlete | The zoom app just suddenly appears without you having launched it. Because xscreensaver thinks that the zoom app is one of its own screen saver programs. | 00:33 |
| systemdlete | Sooooo.... | 00:34 |
| systemdlete | if you might wonder why zoom suddenly pops up on your desktop, even if the user does not normally use it, well... now you know the REST of the story. | 00:34 |
| rrq | #debianfork is a good place to continue that | 00:34 |
| systemdlete | /was done | 00:35 |
| bgstack15 | systemdlete: thank you! Actually I do have zoom installed on one Devuan machine, and Zoom has been initiated some of the times. | 00:39 |
| bgstack15 | I actually saw one screen in my xscreensaver that I thought was an "error message" theme, and it was QT and zoom related. I thought, "How.. specific for a random screensaver module." | 00:41 |
| systemdlete | That's why I posted in THIS channel... | 00:42 |
| systemdlete | Trying to alert the support people like fsmithred and gnarface so they will know how to help other users | 00:42 |
| fsmithred | that's weird | 00:44 |
| fsmithred | did the xscreensaver dev think this was a good idea? | 00:44 |
| fsmithred | you do know that closing that zoom popup does not close the zoom app, right? | 00:48 |
| fsmithred | you have to right-click on the panel icon to really close it | 00:48 |
| fsmithred | I do not understand the logic of opening a video chat app when you've been away from the computer long enough for the screensaver to kick in | 00:49 |
| rrq | afaik xscreensaver runs any command that you tell it to run | 00:50 |
| golinux | So it knows when you come back and how log you've been gone? | 00:50 |
| golinux | log > long | 00:50 |
| rrq | it indeed is a cognisant beeing | 00:53 |
| rrq | I use xautolock rather which is merely a program | 00:55 |
| rrq | configure it to moo 10 seconds before running the locker just to warn me | 00:56 |
| rrq | but I haven't configured it to run zoom as locker | 00:57 |
| scaredysquirrel | how might I recompile devuan for powerpc g4? | 02:48 |
| scaredysquirrel | how do I use build-simple-cdd to build a powerpc devuan cd? | 03:02 |
| scaredysquirrel | travis@devuan-aspire-e11:~/devuan-powerpc$ build-simple-cdd --dist beowulf --debian-mirror 'http://deb.devuan.org/merged' | 03:11 |
| scaredysquirrel | urllib.error.HTTPError: HTTP Error 404: Not Found | 03:12 |
| fsmithred | scaredysquirrel, what are you trying to build? | 03:20 |
| scaredysquirrel | devuan for a powerbook g4 | 03:21 |
| fsmithred | I thought we had a powerpc mini.iso | 03:21 |
| fsmithred | ppc64el work for you? | 03:21 |
| scaredysquirrel | no its a 32 bit | 03:21 |
| fsmithred | don't think we have that | 03:22 |
| scaredysquirrel | if it really can run 64 bit then its fine but the computer is from i think 2001 | 03:22 |
| scaredysquirrel | lol it might just run 64 bit | 03:23 |
| fsmithred | https://pkgmaster.devuan.org/devuan/dists/beowulf/main/ | 03:23 |
| fsmithred | installer-<arch> | 03:23 |
| fsmithred | drill down and you'll find appropriate files | 03:24 |
| fsmithred | I did try the ppc64el mini.iso in qemu and was able to run the installer. | 03:24 |
| scaredysquirrel | what command did you use? | 03:29 |
| fsmithred | command for what? | 03:33 |
| fsmithred | oh | 03:34 |
| fsmithred | I don't remember | 03:34 |
| scaredysquirrel | hmm mine is freezing on the Loading... partt | 03:45 |
| scaredysquirrel | when I try it on my PowerBook G4 it says > boot cd:,\\:tbxi | 03:46 |
| scaredysquirrel | DISK-LABEL: read of block0 failed | 03:46 |
| scaredysquirrel | ATAPI-DISK: open of DISK-LABEL failed can't OPEN cd:,\\:tbxi | 03:46 |
| fsmithred | I know nothing of what powerpc needs. Those backslashes make me nervous. | 03:50 |
| scaredysquirrel | those backlashes tell it to use the \ppc\chrpinfo.txt boot script on the cd | 03:51 |
| scaredysquirrel | you type the same in qemu and it goes to GRUB | 03:52 |
| fsmithred | I just booted the mini.iso in grub, probably with the same commands I use to boot x86 isos, except for the qemu-system- command. | 03:53 |
| fsmithred | same options | 03:53 |
| fsmithred | and I think I had to use the mini.iso to boot the hard disk | 03:54 |
| scaredysquirrel | that method has the same result of stuck on Loading... | 03:54 |
| Xelraa | any1 tested vmware wks 15 on devuan lately? | 07:46 |
| Xelraa | I remeber there was some serious issue on ASCII with the module build or something | 07:46 |
| Xelraa | reason why I still using Debian 9 | 07:46 |
| Xelraa | was so long ago I dont remember what it was | 07:46 |
| Xelraa | now I put Arch on my other partition to realize that pile of shit uses systemd | 07:47 |
| Xelraa | vmware works yes still not a reason to use shit | 07:47 |
| Xelraa | cant even take it out from there | 07:47 |
| openbsdt1i123 | it would be good for devuan dev to stick to gz rather than going xz. It would be nice to have "su " and not "su -". it would be nice to remove the Xorg wrapper, so that it works readily with " su username ; startx ". So that devuan/debian still looks like the original product (debian before pottering and corportate sold out debian soul to systemd). | 07:49 |
| openbsdt1i123 | Xelraa: it is better to stick to virtualbox whic is more oopensource than vmware. virtualbox works well today. ascii and next work both with virtualbox wit just main base repos. | 07:51 |
| Xelraa | openbsdt1i123 the problem is I have heaps of VMs in Vmware, until Vbox does something to deserve itself to be switched over to I wont switch I use a lot of legacy OSes for retro fun purposes like Debian 2.0, old freebsds, novel netware4, win98, Solaris10 and these are 1 tricks in vmware evrything works out of the box | 08:31 |
| Xelraa | so far virtualbox has nothing going for it except its free and open source | 08:31 |
| openbsdt1i123 | Xelraa: I managed lot of with VB on devuan. | 09:10 |
| openbsdt1i123 | heaps? | 09:10 |
| openbsdt1i123 | well the most important is that you go opensource | 09:11 |
| openbsdt1i123 | if the project is closed source, you will be bounded to it all your life. | 09:11 |
| openbsdt1i123 | VB is not the best either - Oracle, it is a corporate project that can go anywhere. There are VMM openbsd that are more foss. | 09:12 |
| openbsdt1i123 | I used corellinux, debian 2.0 potato on virtualbox and mandrake 7, it works. I have copied the vdi on my freebsd server in any case I want to have fun with retro. But... devuan amd64 is not so much stable for such exr :( but still VB runs best on devuan. | 09:13 |
| openbsdt1i123 | the problem of VB is that you need a kvm and you will depend on the kernel image. This means that you have mostly (for basic user) to use grub and to accept all the devuan heavy softs. | 09:15 |
| openbsdt1i123 | Ubuntu does not work with an empty fstab. I suspect that fstab will require UID like ubuntu or debian. Will devuan follow up in this direction too? | 09:55 |
| ShorTie | they do not require UUID | 11:01 |
| ShorTie | using a UUID in the fstab is just a fail safe | 11:04 |
| Atari-Frosch | After moving a server from Debian Stretch to Devuan ASCII there is still this process running and I'm not sure what to do with it: | 11:27 |
| Atari-Frosch | 8267 ? Ss 0:00 /lib/systemd/systemd-udevd --daemon | 11:27 |
| Atari-Frosch | The Stretch installation was running with sysvinit already. | 11:28 |
| rrq | dist-upgrade ? | 11:32 |
| gnarface | Atari-Frosch: it's just an annoyingly named copy of udev | 11:33 |
| gnarface | Atari-Frosch: it isn't systemd | 11:34 |
| gnarface | Atari-Frosch: you can replace it with eudev | 11:34 |
| gnarface | Atari-Frosch: (but it will change very little other than the name) | 11:34 |
| Atari-Frosch | gnarface: eudev was installed in the update process. | 11:36 |
| gnarface | are you sure? | 11:37 |
| gnarface | and did you reboot? | 11:37 |
| Atari-Frosch | But it does not run … oh, and there also is 6677 ? S 0:00 /lib/systemd/systemd-logind running. I guess I should reboot first ;-9 | 11:37 |
| Atari-Frosch | ;-) | 11:37 |
| Atari-Frosch | OK, my fault. | 11:37 |
| gnarface | there might be other things wrong, like incorrect sources.list but either way you'd need to reboot | 11:37 |
| Atari-Frosch | The sources.list is standard for ASCII. In the next step I want to go up to Beowulf, as it works fine on another server. | 11:38 |
| gnarface | alright, i'll trust you know what you're doing then | 11:38 |
| Atari-Frosch | Mostly ;-) | 11:39 |
| gnarface | there should also be elogind available if you want it | 11:40 |
| gnarface | but read the release notes, there you have to explicitly remove one of two conflicting permissions backends | 11:41 |
| gnarface | consolekit and elogind i think it is? | 11:41 |
| gnarface | depends on which graphical login you're using, if you're using one. anyway it's mentioned in the release notes | 11:41 |
| Atari-Frosch | gnarface: Sorry, just forgot that my bouncer is also running on that server ;-) | 11:53 |
| Atari-Frosch | I have no graphical stuff running on my servers. | 11:54 |
| gnarface | oh, well then you probably don't need either thing | 11:55 |
| Atari-Frosch | OK, now everything looks right. :-) | 11:56 |
| veeee | what was the command to manually download a package? | 12:49 |
| gnarface | "apt-get install packagename" | 12:50 |
| gnarface | you might want to run "apt-get update" first if you haven't lately | 12:50 |
| veeee | i have to manually download it from a non devuan distro and move it to debian | 12:51 |
| veeee | devuan* | 12:51 |
| gnarface | oh | 12:51 |
| gnarface | did you mean the command to manually install a package you've already downloaded/ | 12:51 |
| gnarface | ? or do you actually also need help downloading? | 12:51 |
| veeee | yes | 12:51 |
| gnarface | the install command is "dpkg -i packagename" | 12:51 |
| gnarface | for a package in the current directory | 12:52 |
| gnarface | but you probably shouldn't do this | 12:52 |
| gnarface | not with a foreign package anyway | 12:52 |
| gnarface | could make a mess | 12:52 |
| specing | veeee: if you want an isolated system, then I guess the easiest would be to download the DVDs and put them on the hdd | 12:52 |
| gnarface | brb | 12:53 |
| veeee | i don't have ethernet cable plus i believe wifi drivers weren't installed | 12:55 |
| veeee | so i have to do it manually from another machine | 12:55 |
| specing | veeee: throw that HDD into the devuan machine, boot it in qemu, install | 12:56 |
| veeee | are free-wifi firmwares included in the dvd installation iso? | 12:58 |
| veeee | i can get them from there i believe | 12:59 |
| veeee | i'm not sure which ones are the free drivers | 13:01 |
| specing | drivers are usually all free, firmware is usually all nonfree | 13:03 |
| veeee | there's a free one that is usually installed in debian by defauls | 13:04 |
| veeee | default* | 13:04 |
| scaredysquirrel | how may I get to compile devuan for powerpc? | 17:40 |
| mason | scaredysquirrel: https://wiki.debian.org/BuildingCrossCompilers might be a good place to start | 17:41 |
| scaredysquirrel | mason, I have the cross compiler | 17:42 |
| scaredysquirrel | I just need to compile it | 17:42 |
| mason | scaredysquirrel: So, your cross-compiler is a compiler that generates code for the architecture you want. Assuming you have the right headers available, you just use the cross-compiler toolchain instead of the normal one. | 17:44 |
| scaredysquirrel | mason, I don't know how to build the install CD | 17:44 |
| mason | That's different. So, if your question is, how do I port Devuan to POWER, start with Debian of the correct architecture, build the Devuan-specific packages, and build release media. | 17:45 |
| mason | scaredysquirrel: As a useful exercise, you could try building the release media for an existing architecture, and you'll know what to do when you have your POWER binaries built, more or less. There are bits that might need to be radically different because it's not amd64. In fact, building the relevant packages and installing via debootstrap might be sensible. You'll need to examine how the Debian | 17:48 |
| mason | bootloader works for the architecture in question. | 17:48 |
| scaredysquirrel | I'd love to have instructions | 17:48 |
| scaredysquirrel | it's just that um the packages for debootstrap are not built | 17:56 |
| scaredysquirrel | a thing like build them and put a web server at localhost | 17:56 |
| ugiuygk | Cheap GNU/Linux licenses. $98 today! Bitcoin payment only. | 18:05 |
| MinceR | :) | 18:12 |
| sgage | Best price I've seen in a while! | 18:19 |
| MinceR | how did you see it? you joined after it was sent | 18:21 |
| debdog | MinceR: one option would be http://maemo.cloud-7.de/irclogs/freenode/_devuan/latest.log.html | 18:25 |
| onefang | Free Linux licenses. $0 today (and into the distant future)! Bitcoin payment only. | 18:26 |
| onefang | Where's kline when I need it? | 18:26 |
| MinceR | lol | 18:29 |
| fsmithred | for $98 I'll not only give you the license, I'll install it for you. | 18:33 |
| sgage | MinceR: http://maemo.cloud-7.de/irclogs/freenode/_devuan/latest.log.html :-) | 18:35 |
| MinceR | :) | 18:38 |
| sgage | fsmithred: you have already provided many, many multiples of $98 of value to this channel | 18:41 |
| sgage | and to Devuan. Thank you! | 18:42 |
| nemo | I wonder if I could convince my workplace to buy a Devuan support contract | 18:45 |
| nemo | I guess next question is if such an entity even exists | 18:45 |
| fsmithred | thanks, sgage | 18:50 |
| fsmithred | nemo, check devuan-pro | 18:50 |
| fsmithred | not sure of the exact URL | 18:50 |
| nemo | https://devuan.pro I guess | 18:53 |
| nemo | "(List coming soon!)" | 18:54 |
| nemo | heh | 18:54 |
| fsmithred | nemo, you have to catch one of the devs and see if they're interested. I know that some paid devuan support exists. I guess technically I have one of them, because I do some computer work for a local radio station. And they run devuan, whether they know it or not. | 19:14 |
| nemo | hehe | 19:16 |
| nemo | fsmithred: yeah, this wasn't immediate, but if it turns out I get my way at work due to path-of-least-resistance on the half-dozen devuan instances they are now running, and they asked "can we buy a support contract" it'd be great to throw them at a functioning link and contract. | 19:17 |
| fsmithred | yeah, light a fire under jaromil | 19:17 |
| eyalroz | I justed installed a newer firefox version, from downloadable binaries, under /opt. I can run it fine, but - I can't get it to play audio. Is there some "trick" to getting it to work? (my distribution-supplied Firefox and Chromium play audio fine.) | 19:20 |
| nemo | eyalroz: what's your distro? | 19:22 |
| nemo | eyalroz: it may be your distro's custom builds are not using libpulse api? | 19:22 |
| nemo | eyalroz: if so, it might be as simple as installign that | 19:22 |
| nemo | eyalroz: recent versions of firefox deprecated that various linux audio subsystems they were supporting for an internally maintained implementation written in Rust that communicates with your system over libpulse API | 19:23 |
| nemo | eyalroz: this is certainly disappointing if you use alsa or jack or whatever, but it's just an API and there tend to be plenty of adapters out there for the various soundsystems | 19:23 |
| nemo | eyalroz: their justification was limited resources to maintain linux so needing a single target | 19:23 |
| nemo | eyalroz: oh. hah. sorry, your distro is obviously devuan. for some reason I thought I was in #firefox 😃 | 19:24 |
| nemo | eyalroz: ok. what version of devuan and what soundsystem. I'm guessing you have pulseaudio though... | 19:24 |
| nemo | eyalroz: FWIW, I'm running Firefox Nightly on a Devuan Beowulf here with no issues. | 19:26 |
| eyalroz | nemo: Devuan Beowulf | 19:31 |
| nemo | eyalroz: no sound system customisations? | 19:32 |
| eyalroz | As for the sound system... whatever's the default, I guess. | 19:32 |
| nemo | ok | 19:32 |
| nemo | eyalroz: sooo, we'll assume pulse | 19:32 |
| nemo | eyalroz: install pavucontrol and let's see what pulse is doing | 19:32 |
| eyalroz | wait wait, I think it's not pulse. But let me check | 19:33 |
| eyalroz | pavucontrol says it can't establish a connection to PulseAudio | 19:33 |
| nemo | ok | 19:33 |
| nemo | ps auwx | grep pulseaudio | 19:33 |
| eyalroz | Yeah, it's not running. I might not be using it. I vaguely remember someone suggesting I shouldn't a couple of years back, but to my shame I forgot the details. | 19:34 |
| nemo | eyalroz: I can sympathise with that viewpoint | 19:34 |
| nemo | eyalroz: given who wrote it | 19:34 |
| eyalroz | who wrote it? | 19:34 |
| nemo | eyalroz: that said, you don't actually have to install it to have pulse api compatibility | 19:35 |
| nemo | we just need to figure out what you are running | 19:35 |
| nemo | and get that bridge installed | 19:35 |
| eyalroz | nemo: When I right-click my volume icon, I can open up the "ALSA Mixer" | 19:35 |
| nemo | eyalroz: lennart poettering | 19:35 |
| nemo | eyalroz: i.e. the systemd guy | 19:35 |
| * eyalroz groans | 19:36 | |
| eyalroz | Anyway, here are my kernel-loaded .*snd.* modules: | 19:36 |
| eyalroz | snd_hda_codec_hdmi snd_hda_codec_realtek snd_hda_codec_generic ledtrig_audio snd_usb_audio snd_usbmidi_lib snd_rawmidi snd_seq_device media snd_hda_intel snd_hda_codec snd_hda_core snd_hwdep snd_pcm snd_timer snd soundcore usbcore | 19:36 |
| nemo | no need to go that deep | 19:37 |
| nemo | eyalroz: you just need the alsa pulse api abstraction | 19:37 |
| eyalroz | nemo: I also have /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/cinnamon-settings-daemon/csd-sound running | 19:37 |
| nemo | eyalroz: AFAIK apulse is the debian package you need | 19:37 |
| nemo | but I won't swear to it | 19:37 |
| eyalroz | ok, let's try that. | 19:37 |
| nemo | I gave up the pulseaudio fight once it stopped stuttering and crashing and hanging my applications | 19:37 |
| eyalroz | ... it's already installed. | 19:37 |
| nemo | interesting | 19:37 |
| nemo | eyalroz: could you try wrapping your firefox in it? | 19:38 |
| nemo | apulse /opt/whatever | 19:38 |
| eyalroz | Oh, so I need to wrap the invocation... let me try it. | 19:38 |
| nemo | eyalroz: I'm not sure if there's a more elegant way to do things | 19:38 |
| nemo | eyalroz: you'd think you could do it with library paths or something | 19:39 |
| nemo | it's not something I'm super familiar with. maybe talk to the alsa channel | 19:39 |
| nemo | https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/00/Pulseaudio-diagram.svg off wikipedia btw | 19:40 |
| nemo | the layer you need to focus on is the library layer | 19:41 |
| nemo | where instead of libalsa talking to pulse for compatibility you're trying to make libpulse talk to alsa | 19:41 |
| nemo | just swapping those two | 19:41 |
| nemo | if you're looking at the kernel you're too far down IMO | 19:41 |
| eyalroz | Doesn't work. I get: | 19:41 |
| eyalroz | [apulse] [error] do_connect_pcm: can't get initial hw parameters for playback device "default". Error code 1 (Operation not permitted) | 19:41 |
| eyalroz | [apulse] [error] do_connect_pcm: failed to open ALSA device. Apulse does no resampling or format conversion, leaving that task to ALSA plugins. Ensure that selected device is capable of playing a particular sample format at a particular rate. They have to be supported by either hardware directly, or by "plug" and "dmix" ALSA plugins which will perform required conversions on CPU. | 19:41 |
| nemo | hmmm you sure you are using alsa? ☺ | 19:41 |
| nemo | and not, oh, jack or something? | 19:41 |
| nemo | wait. you said you were using alsamixer. hrm | 19:42 |
| nemo | that doesn't guarantee alsa though | 19:42 |
| nemo | alsamixer is compatible with a ton of things | 19:42 |
| eyalroz | nemo: I don't think I enabled or installed any of the two when I installed my Beowulf... | 19:42 |
| nemo | O_o | 19:42 |
| nemo | if you didn't explicitly pick a soundsystem you'd think you'd be on pulseaudio | 19:42 |
| eyalroz | but how can I check? | 19:43 |
| nemo | eyalroz: I'm not answering immediately 'cause I'm kinda wondering what such an unambiguous check would be ☺ | 19:44 |
| nemo | eyalroz: so... maybe start with synaptic? | 19:44 |
| nemo | eyalroz: my understanding of the current state of linux sound, is that if you're not doing hardware mixing, mixing is done in software in userspace, and you can have multiple userspace implementations | 19:45 |
| nemo | eyalroz: and if your card is not doing hardware mixing, it's pretty much "whichever one grabbed the device first" | 19:45 |
| eyalroz | nemo: alsa-base is uninstalled, apparently | 19:45 |
| nemo | eyalroz: so there's no practical reason you can't have all 3, but they will conflict and cause sound problems, so it's probably not a good idea | 19:45 |
| nemo | eyalroz: I still have one machine here with an SB32 with hardware mixing btw. | 19:45 |
| eyalroz | ... but pulseaudio _is_ installed | 19:45 |
| nemo | it even has sound fonts ☺ | 19:45 |
| nemo | eyalroz: ok. so that's interesting | 19:46 |
| nemo | eyalroz: maybe the reason old firefox is playing sound is that it is using libalsa to do so? | 19:46 |
| * nemo shrugs | 19:46 | |
| nemo | eyalroz: ok. so. start by installing pavucontrol I guess, since you clearly are not opposed to pulseaudio | 19:46 |
| nemo | that'll just make things easier | 19:46 |
| eyalroz | nemo: It's installed, and can run. It just doesn't connect anywhere. | 19:47 |
| nemo | eyalroz: ok... so run pulseaudio? | 19:47 |
| nemo | I'm rather surprised that pavucontrol didn't start it automatically | 19:48 |
| nemo | maybe something else has a lock | 19:48 |
| fsmithred | eyalroz, did you check the config file for pulseaudio? | 19:50 |
| fsmithred | there's a line that needs to be commented or uncommented - I forget which, but it says right there. | 19:51 |
| eyalroz | fsmithred: Which one of the config files? | 19:51 |
| nemo | fsmithred: the systemd one? I thought you guys fixed that in beowulf already | 19:51 |
| fsmithred | 00noautospawn or something like that | 19:51 |
| eyalroz | fsmithred: Where would this be? | 19:51 |
| fsmithred | in /etc/pulse-something | 19:51 |
| fsmithred | maybe a conf.d | 19:51 |
| eyalroz | fsmithred: Don't have it under /etc/pulse nor anywhere else | 19:52 |
| eyalroz | oh, wait | 19:52 |
| eyalroz | /etc/pulse/client.conf.d/00-disable-autospawn.conf | 19:52 |
| fsmithred | I fixed it in the desktop-live, but to fix it in a regular install would require forking a package | 19:52 |
| fsmithred | yeah | 19:52 |
| fsmithred | read what it says and act accordingly | 19:52 |
| eyalroz | So, I should comment-out the autospawn=no line there? | 19:52 |
| nemo | fsmithred: hm. odd. my beowulf here does not have that | 19:52 |
| fsmithred | nemo, how did you install? | 19:53 |
| nemo | fsmithred: pretty sure this was an ascii that I just edited /etc/apt | 19:53 |
| eyalroz | But still - why do I even need to mess with that at all? I mean, firefox should be able to live with the setup I have | 19:53 |
| nemo | eyalroz: well. as to firefox, I gave you explanation above | 19:53 |
| fsmithred | new firefox requires pulseaudio, firefox-esr does not | 19:54 |
| crashoverride | seriously? | 19:54 |
| fsmithred | you could run 'apulse firefox' instead of using PA | 19:54 |
| crashoverride | pulseaudio? | 19:54 |
| fsmithred | tor-browser requires PA (or apulse) | 19:54 |
| fsmithred | yes, crashoverride | 19:54 |
| nemo | fsmithred: he tried running apulse and got a permissions error | 19:54 |
| Akuli | what's apulse? | 19:55 |
| nemo | fsmithred: oh... maybe he just needs to be in like an audio group or something? | 19:55 |
| crashoverride | ah so there's a compat layer | 19:55 |
| Akuli | ooooo nice | 19:55 |
| nemo | maybe the pulseaudio dæmon is already in that group | 19:55 |
| Akuli | thanks for mentioning apulse | 19:55 |
| nemo | hmmm my user is in audio group by default though. | 19:55 |
| eyalroz | fsmithred: Ah. | 19:55 |
| fsmithred | I don't know if apulse works while pulseaudio is running | 19:55 |
| crashoverride | yeah it's required to have this stuff now | 19:56 |
| nemo | fsmithred: he said pulse was not running | 19:56 |
| eyalroz | fsmithred: I tried running apulse firefox, but that got me some error messages which I quoted above. | 19:56 |
| nemo | the other weird thing is, why would legacy firefox work but not apulse if he did have a permissions issue | 19:56 |
| nemo | maybe needs more of alsa installed since it mentions plugins | 19:56 |
| eyalroz | nemo: I tried installing a few extra packages, no help there. | 19:58 |
| fsmithred | alsa-tools should be enough | 19:58 |
| eyalroz | fsmithred: Just installed it - doesn't help. | 19:59 |
| fsmithred | you didn't have alsa-tools before now? | 20:00 |
| eyalroz | fsmithred: Apparently not... | 20:00 |
| fsmithred | and you had sound? | 20:01 |
| eyalroz | Yes... | 20:01 |
| fsmithred | ok, that's beyond my knowledge | 20:01 |
| eyalroz | And the permissions error doesn't ring a bell for you? | 20:01 |
| eyalroz | (if you'll excuse the pun, I mean...) | 20:02 |
| fsmithred | no | 20:02 |
| fsmithred | but try googling for parts of that message | 20:02 |
| eyalroz | fsmithred: But those are just apulse errors, not FF's own errors | 20:13 |
| fsmithred | have you tried ff with PA running? | 20:13 |
| fsmithred | well, eyalroz it's not just you | 20:47 |
| fsmithred | aplay -l | 20:48 |
| eyalroz | fsmithred: What about aplay -l? | 20:48 |
| fsmithred | aplay: device_list:272: no soundcards found | 20:48 |
| eyalroz | I don't get that. | 20:48 |
| fsmithred | lspci sees the sound card. | 20:48 |
| fsmithred | oh, ok | 20:48 |
| fsmithred | I'm running desktop-live. Sound worked fine in qemu. This is burned to dvd. | 20:48 |
| eyalroz | I get a list of devices. | 20:48 |
| fsmithred | alsmixer gives me "no such file" | 20:49 |
| fsmithred | even thought the file is there | 20:49 |
| fsmithred | guess I need to check that it was a good burn | 20:49 |
| eyalroz | alsamixer works fine for me | 20:49 |
| eyalroz | (no almixer on my system though) | 20:49 |
| fsmithred | ok, different problems | 20:49 |
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