| se7en | that's pretty silly | 00:00 |
|---|---|---|
| fsmithred | you might play around with finding a few key packages to remove | 00:00 |
| se7en | I guess I should run update-alternatives soon | 00:00 |
| se7en | ETA 12h 40min 55s | 00:01 |
| se7en | harsh | 00:01 |
| fsmithred | that's the download time for the upgrade? | 00:02 |
| se7en | It keeps jumping around | 00:02 |
| se7en | Now it's down to 3h | 00:02 |
| se7en | After going up to 15 | 00:03 |
| specing | Is anyone here running Apparmor? | 01:13 |
| specing | /etc/init.d/apparmor start | 01:14 |
| specing | /etc/init.d/apparmor: 130: /etc/init.d/apparmor: systemd-detect-virt: not found | 01:14 |
| specing | evidently not? | 01:15 |
| gnarface | i didn't even know it had an init script | 01:16 |
| bgstack15 | my apparmor is running | 01:17 |
| specing | bgstack15: How does one turn it on? | 01:18 |
| bgstack15 | if "sudo service apparmor status" returning approximately 30 lines of various sections like 15 profiles enforced, 9 in complain mode, and some of that sounding repeating, that means it's running, then yes. | 01:18 |
| specing | cat /sys/module/apparmor/parameters/enabled | 01:18 |
| specing | says N | 01:18 |
| bgstack15 | Dunno; I've never done anything with apparmor. | 01:18 |
| bgstack15 | I would use selinux if devuan had sane defaults that I were aware of. | 01:18 |
| specing | I get "AppArmor not available as kernel LSM.. | 01:18 |
| specing | failed!" | 01:18 |
| specing | I want to get experience with both | 01:19 |
| bgstack15 | I'm sure that turning selinux on in Devuan would get you _tons_ of experience fixing it! | 01:19 |
| bgstack15 | I didn't realize apparmor was a system service. I realize it operates differently from selinux (setenforce [0,1]) but I don't really know what that means. | 01:21 |
| bgstack15 | so obviously the systemd-detect-virt is not available for Devuan. I don't understand why systemd people thought that virt-what was insufficient. | 01:22 |
| specing | bgstack15: I'm using Fedora as SELinux testbed | 01:24 |
| specing | Possibly CentOS/RHEL later on | 01:24 |
| bgstack15 | Definitely a good place for SELinux defaults. | 01:24 |
| bgstack15 | So, I know it's only slightly related, but my dream distro would use these components: sysvinit, selinux, yum output but apt concepts (no preference of rpm vs dpkg), and iptables. | 01:26 |
| bgstack15 | I guess that would tie me in to glibc, but then I've never been one to hate on GNU. I know some people try to be GNU-free but that's not a fight I care for. I like GNU userspace. | 01:27 |
| phogg | bgstack15: sysvinit is nothing to write home about. Why yum over apt? I find apt to be a far more pleasant tool. | 01:28 |
| bgstack15 | the output from yum is about 3x as useful as apt's (or dpkg's?) output. Yum will put it in nice columns, and show you what repo each file is coming from, right there in the main yum install/update output. | 01:29 |
| bgstack15 | Apt output is gross and spans the width of the screen, or doesn't, and just sort of rambles. | 01:29 |
| bgstack15 | I like the apt concepts of separate cache, etc. "Apt-get update" is separate from "apt-get upgrade" was foreign to me at first, but I grew to like it. | 01:30 |
| fsmithred | aptitude -s full-upgrade | 01:30 |
| fsmithred | better display | 01:30 |
| bgstack15 | I realize I'm being pedantic, but is there an apt-get equivalent? I don't always install aptitude (which is a separate package?!) | 01:30 |
| fsmithred | I don't know how to change the formatting of apt-get's output or if it's possible | 01:31 |
| fsmithred | but I find it useless for a big list of packages | 01:31 |
| bgstack15 | oh, unfortunately "aptitude -s full-upgrade" still just spanned like 5-8 packages across each row, and didn't show me the repo name it was coming from. | 01:31 |
| bgstack15 | I know apt-cache policy is there, and that's great for lookups. But I want to see all that info at once, for the Y/N prompt of the upgrade command. | 01:32 |
| fsmithred | no, it doesnt do that. But at least you can see everything you really need to. | 01:32 |
| bgstack15 | I almost hacked the source of apt-get to get that, but I think the data structure passed to that function didn't include the repo name/url and I didn't feel comfortable modifying that struct to include it, because then I would have to go farther back to whatever populated it and add it. | 01:32 |
| bgstack15 | the apt-get -V upgrade parameter will get you one package name per line, with target version! That's pretty handy. | 01:33 |
| bgstack15 | But still no repo name. | 01:33 |
| bgstack15 | Yum is slow, but its output has always made more sense to me, probably because I came from that world. | 01:34 |
| specing | bgstack15: which version of devuan are you on? | 01:34 |
| bgstack15 | Ceres | 01:34 |
| bgstack15 | have to be Ceres, because of freeipa packages. | 01:34 |
| specing | I'm on ascii | 01:34 |
| specing | well, the server is. I'm still mostly on Gentoo | 01:34 |
| fsmithred | apt list --upgradable | 01:34 |
| bgstack15 | sudo apt-get list --upgradable | column -t isn't so bad | 01:36 |
| fsmithred | uhhh... yum is in the repo. Not sure why. | 01:36 |
| bgstack15 | for the same reason humans climb Mt. Everest... | 01:36 |
| fsmithred | lol | 01:36 |
| specing | I wish distros would take security seriously and had at least one enforcing MAC subsystem enabled | 01:39 |
| specing | by default | 01:39 |
| bgstack15 | There probably are distros out there that do that. | 01:39 |
| specing | yes, Fedora/CentOS/RHEL | 01:39 |
| bgstack15 | I'm old-school and used to turning things on the way I want. | 01:39 |
| bgstack15 | I have hardened RHEL 7 systems to DISA STIG level. | 01:39 |
| bgstack15 | You want locked down, stinkin' root could be locked out of stuff! | 01:39 |
| bgstack15 | Made me feel sad. | 01:40 |
| specing | it's still not as locked as a modern android phone | 01:40 |
| specing | SELinux really shines there | 01:40 |
| bgstack15 | I will take your word for it. Sorry, I know nothing about fancy little objects that fit in the hand. | 01:40 |
| bgstack15 | (or two hands) | 01:40 |
| specing | Oh, Ubuntu also has Apparmor by default | 01:46 |
| EHeM | Now I need to adjust to how `make bindeb-pkg` differs from `make-kpkg`... | 03:31 |
| se7en | I was dist-upgrading and ran into a dependency hell | 04:48 |
| se7en | dpkg: error processing archive /var/cache/apt/archives/libgstreamer-gl1.0-0_1.14.4-2_amd64.deb (--unpack): | 04:48 |
| se7en | trying to overwrite '/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libgstgl-1.0.so.0', which is also in package libgstreamer-plugins-bad1.0-0:amd64 1:1.10.4-dmo2 | 04:48 |
| se7en | Errors were encountered while processing: | 04:48 |
| se7en | /var/cache/apt/archives/libgstreamer-gl1.0-0_1.14.4-2_amd64.deb | 04:49 |
| se7en | E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) | 04:49 |
| se7en | Attempt to manually remove zenity and surf | 04:49 |
| se7en | No solution | 04:49 |
| se7en | The majority of the update has failed due to these packages | 04:50 |
| se7en | I am trying the non-standard `apt -f dist-upgrade` rather than trying to fix the individual package hell | 04:51 |
| gnarface | keep looking for packages to remove | 04:52 |
| se7en | As a result of the failed upgrade, I have no locale and it defaults to C | 04:52 |
| gnarface | ran into this but not with that package, so i can't give you specific advice | 04:52 |
| gnarface | (for me it was va-driver-all) | 04:53 |
| gnarface | (but the complaint was about something it pointed to in turn - (maybe mesa-va-drivers?) - which was itself pretty much immutable | 04:53 |
| gnarface | ) | 04:53 |
| se7en | It stopped again | 04:54 |
| se7en | Unpacking bash (5.0-4) over (4.4-5) ... | 04:54 |
| se7en | Errors were encountered while processing: | 04:54 |
| se7en | /tmp/apt-dpkg-install-5PXMCS/17-libgstreamer-gl1.0-0_1.14.4-2_amd64.deb | 04:54 |
| se7en | E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) | 04:54 |
| se7en | I think I've been able to pass by it with apt -f remove --auto-remove surf2 libwebkit2gtk-4.0-37 libgstreamer-gl1.0-0 zenity | 05:03 |
| se7en | I hope that I am able to install surf2 back without issue | 05:03 |
| gnarface | hmm. very interesting. that error looks identical, except for it being from a completely different package | 05:04 |
| se7en | Well, please note it then | 05:04 |
| se7en | And perhaps the collective can discover the cause | 05:04 |
| gnarface | like i said, it was for va-driver-all, and i was NOT able to reinstall it, but i also wasn't able to actually use it while it was installed so i am not sweating it | 05:04 |
| gnarface | the problem was that the complaint was about one of it's dependencies: mesa-va-drivers (i think) | 05:05 |
| gnarface | (which i think did actually inexplicably reinstall fine, so maybe this is just a snafu about a deprecated meta-package or something...) | 05:06 |
| gnarface | i'm using a old nvidia card with nouveau in that machine, and vaapi never worked on it anyway, so i can't even actually test the ultimate consequence of this in any fashion relevant to other users, sorry | 05:06 |
| gnarface | but the form of that error - identical. this suggests something more fundamental is wrong here, i can't say for sure what but maybe a change in apt itself? | 05:07 |
| gnarface | try aptitude | 05:08 |
| gnarface | it might not work but it might show you something | 05:08 |
| se7en | I was using `aptitude why [problemPackage] | 05:09 |
| gnarface | also maybe try randomly apt-get installing things within 1 or two steps above and below that package in the dependency tree | 05:09 |
| se7en | I'm waiting for the upgrade to finish | 05:09 |
| gnarface | part of the issue was the red herrings being neighbors of the actual target, and the error message being otherwise right | 05:09 |
| se7en | After running that command it began to run the upgrade again without incident, and is currently compiling locales | 05:09 |
| gnarface | fascinating | 05:10 |
| se7en | I plan to run dist-upgrade again after this completion, and will attempt to reinstall my packages | 05:10 |
| gnarface | good luck | 05:10 |
| se7en | I finished, and am now running dist-upgrade again | 05:15 |
| se7en | 23% completed | 05:21 |
| se7en | I believe that apt is reinstalling the former dependencies that reached dependency hell | 05:24 |
| se7en | I've seen similar package names flash by | 05:25 |
| se7en | It's 30 minutes until I go into work | 05:28 |
| se7en | I may be unable to finish this | 05:28 |
| EHeM | Ah, more on the NFS issue; looks like the problem I'm running into showed up somewhere between 4.19.0-8-amd64 (4.19.98-1+deb10u1) and 4.19.0-9-amd64 (4.19.118-2). | 05:29 |
| se7en | New error | 05:32 |
| se7en | Errors were encountered while processing: | 05:32 |
| se7en | /tmp/apt-dpkg-install-4qiAR1/0169-gstreamer1.0-plugins-base_1.14.4-2_amd64.deb | 05:33 |
| se7en | /tmp/apt-dpkg-install-4qiAR1/0180-gstreamer1.0-plugins-good_1.14.4-1_amd64.deb | 05:33 |
| se7en | /tmp/apt-dpkg-install-4qiAR1/0590-libgstreamer-gl1.0-0_1.14.4-2_amd64.deb | 05:33 |
| se7en | E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) | 05:33 |
| se7en | Y | 05:33 |
| se7en | DO NOT DO THIS | 05:36 |
| se7en | apt -f remove --auto-remove libwebkit2gtk-4streamer-gl1.0-0 gstreamer1.0-plugins-base gstreamer1.0-plugins-bad gstreamer1.0-plugins-good gnome-video-effects cheese libcheese8 libcheese-gtk25 surf | 05:36 |
| se7en | This just led to almost every single package being removed | 05:36 |
| se7en | Now I'm afraid to even turn of my machine | 05:37 |
| syco- | welcome to deb dependency inferno | 05:37 |
| gnarface | well, no going back now, only going forwards | 05:40 |
| gnarface | just don't reboot it while there's no installed kernels | 05:40 |
| se7en | I think it has finished | 05:44 |
| se7en | I am running `apt update` again, and will attempt to run `apt dist-upgrade` | 05:44 |
| se7en | And try to get back `surf` and other programs | 05:44 |
| furrywolf | you should always look at the list of things to be added/removed/etc, and not continue if it looks broken | 05:45 |
| se7en | That was at least five pages of differences, furrywolf | 05:45 |
| * syco- fears dist-upgrades | 05:45 | |
| se7en | Has netsurf been removed from the repo? | 05:45 |
| se7en | Ok, I thin this is done | 05:47 |
| se7en | I'm going to go to work and hope that when I turn back on my computer, it's ok | 05:47 |
| frabbit | i want to add a specific user in /etc/fstab to allow only this user to mount a specific device. ive tried uid=1000 but that doenst work, also defaults,uid=1000. man says theres is no uid oprions for defaults only suid but with that i get error when trying to mount the device (its probably something different...) | 07:05 |
| gnarface | frabbit: read the man pages more carefully. not all filesystems support specifying a user, and some of them (like fat16/32) do something with it other than what you're expecting | 07:12 |
| frabbit | =( | 07:13 |
| frabbit | gnarface: i had just searched for uid | 07:14 |
| frabbit | in fstab man | 07:14 |
| gnarface | if you need this to work for a specific user and a specific device, you probably should add a custom udev rule for it | 07:14 |
| gnarface | and if you just need to allow one user to mount stuff, there's a pre-defined system group to add them to (cdrom i think?) | 07:15 |
| frabbit | doesnt need a user just to be in group cdrom to mount them? | 07:16 |
| gnarface | yes | 07:17 |
| gnarface | does, you mean, i think | 07:17 |
| gnarface | but... keep in mind that the ability to mount or unmount a given disk is separate permission from the filesystem permissions of the filesystem on the disk | 07:18 |
| gnarface | don't get the two confused | 07:18 |
| gnarface | it's easy to get them confused | 07:18 |
| frabbit | so how would a non membership in that group avoid from mounting usbs? | 07:18 |
| frabbit | er what? | 07:18 |
| gnarface | maybe you have it backwrads | 07:18 |
| frabbit | disk permission <-> fs permission? | 07:19 |
| frabbit | deiference? | 07:19 |
| gnarface | not equal | 07:19 |
| frabbit | *difference | 07:19 |
| frabbit | ok | 07:19 |
| gnarface | correct, disk permission and filesystem permission are not equal | 07:19 |
| frabbit | man mount says: uid=value | 07:20 |
| frabbit | Set the owner and group of the root of the filesystem | 07:20 |
| frabbit | but i dont want to change owners... | 07:20 |
| gnarface | right, but if you'll look carefully where it says that, it's saying that under options for specific filesystems, and right, it's referring to *filesystem* ownership, not mount permission | 07:20 |
| gnarface | right | 07:21 |
| gnarface | i think you're catching on now | 07:21 |
| gnarface | that's usually for filesystems that don't support multiple users so you can set a default other than root | 07:21 |
| frabbit | stackexchange has lied to me... | 07:21 |
| gnarface | that is known to happen | 07:21 |
| frabbit | https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/204641/automatically-mount-a-drive-using-etc-fstab-and-limiting-access-to-all-users-o | 07:22 |
| gnarface | but he metions it's for FAT specifically | 07:23 |
| gnarface | you just have to read more carefully | 07:23 |
| frabbit | yeah i dont have always so much time... | 07:24 |
| gnarface | but rushing sometimes uses time less efficiently in cases like this | 07:24 |
| frabbit | internet sucks... | 07:24 |
| frabbit | search engines were ment to type in a question and get an answer that fits, but nowadays im getting 98% bullshit | 07:25 |
| gnarface | i agree google could do better at this and they actually used to do so | 07:25 |
| gnarface | but that's not a devuan support issue | 07:26 |
| frabbit | i dont use google directly | 07:26 |
| frabbit | yeah ot | 07:26 |
| frabbit | thousand time uid here that sucks! | 07:31 |
| frabbit | *times | 07:31 |
| frabbit | cant it be easy? and if not why not? | 07:32 |
| frabbit | is this intent to be like this, to sperate the beginners from the experts, to create a elit? why can i not write a fucking sentence in fstab or where ever: "here this device with id foobar mount there only this user id" yes i know it is like that but NOT intuitive | 07:34 |
| frabbit | uid means different thing for different fs.. wtf?! | 07:36 |
| frabbit | why? wich ashole thought that this would be a good idea? | 07:36 |
| se7en | I have returned | 10:02 |
| se7en | And there are a /lot/ of problems | 10:02 |
| se7en | For instance--and I believe this was in the changelog but I overlooked it-- /sbin is no longer in my path | 10:02 |
| se7en | Next, my mouse moves incredibly fast | 10:02 |
| se7en | What program can I use to change xmouse sensitivity? | 10:02 |
| se7en | And also, my custom script for dnscrypt-proxy no longer works | 10:03 |
| se7en | I hope someone is here who was here earlier | 10:03 |
| se7en | Also, something happened to my default fonts to make them look ugly | 10:04 |
| gnarface | well the first one is easy anyway, add /sbin back into /etc/login.defs | 10:09 |
| gnarface | there was also a change to su so path isn't inherited by default anymore, you have to use "su -" | 10:09 |
| gnarface | dunno about the other ones | 10:10 |
| gnarface | mouse is gonna depend on your driver, you might have to change mouse drivers | 10:10 |
| freem | Hello. Congratulations for the 3.0 release. I have some questions about it, if you don't mind. 1st, is it possible to use (c)debootstrap(-static) to install it? 2nd, can aptitude now show the package's descriptions? And 3rd, is it based on Debian 10, which would maybe imply using close runit-init package? | 11:03 |
| freem | The aptitude and debootrap points are the ones which made go back to debian, basically, but switching to devuan anew could maybe allow me to rely less on self-built packages, which would be nice. | 11:05 |
| freem | also, would allow me to not need to register my nick on OFTC when I want to submit suggestions about, for example, runit-init script improvements. | 11:07 |
| freem | (with code I actually use and is pretty trivial) | 11:07 |
| gnarface | freem: debootstrap should work if you use the devuan debootstrap. long package descriptions are broken currently due to a bug in the repo software with regards to internationalization. it's based on debian buster, whichever that one is (their current stable) so the package versions should all be identical | 11:23 |
| freem | gnarface: thanks for the info | 11:29 |
| freem | since it's broken with i18n, does it means that the english descriptions work? | 11:29 |
| gnarface | freem: i think the answer is no, sorry | 11:39 |
| freem | oh, well... | 11:40 |
| freem | is there is a link to the issue? | 11:40 |
| freem | I'm curious to read about it | 11:40 |
| gnarface | good question | 11:40 |
| gnarface | here it is: https://bugs.devuan.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?bug=228 | 11:41 |
| gnarface | the descriptions from debian are still valid though, you can use packages.debian.org if you really need to, i think | 11:42 |
| freem | ty | 11:45 |
| * ShorTie Thinkz, Devuan debootstrap is http://deb.devuan.org/devuan/pool/main/d/debootstrap | 12:37 | |
| freem | ^ this redirects to an httpS version, which has: NET::ERR_CERT_COMMON_NAME_INVALID | 12:39 |
| ShorTie | Sorry, link works fine for me | 12:40 |
| onefang | deb.devuan.org is our package mirror DNS round robin. | 12:40 |
| freem | well, I can just go through the security warning, it's not like I have any personal data to send to a collection of packages anyway | 12:40 |
| freem | I got error with vivaldi (chromium based) that I can't overcome, and warnings with firefox (that are annoying to overcome). Just for info. Using debian 10. | 12:41 |
| onefang | You will get sent to one of the mirrors. Use it via HTTP instead of HTTPS, coz none of them will have a valid cert for the deb.devuan.org domain name | 12:41 |
| freem | I tried it, but I had automatic redirection? | 12:41 |
| freem | ah, not with FF though | 12:42 |
| freem | weird. | 12:42 |
| freem | ty for the link anyway | 12:43 |
| ShorTie | No Problem | 12:43 |
| gnarface | freem: yes, there's lots of redirection involved | 12:48 |
| gnarface | freem: all the unchanged packages in fact, which is most of them, are served by redirect | 12:48 |
| freem | I remember this, but I was more surprised by the ssl stuff on previous link | 12:48 |
| gnarface | well, some of the mirrors will do https right if you pick them directly | 12:49 |
| gnarface | rather than going through the dns round-robin | 12:49 |
| gnarface | but if you go through the round robin it will often fail | 12:49 |
| onefang | Most of the mirrors support direct HTTPS. | 12:50 |
| freem | anyway, it's fine for me. I just wanted to report the issue :) | 12:52 |
| freem | if you know about it already, then fine. | 12:52 |
| onefang | My apt-panopticon mirror checker already checks for mirrors doing this sort of redirect. | 12:53 |
| miojo | Good morning! | 12:58 |
| miojo | Thank you, for the Beowulf release! | 12:59 |
| freem | morning. | 12:59 |
| miojo | Thanks to Devuan, i escaped from the systemd-resolved | 13:00 |
| freem | resolved? | 13:00 |
| miojo | Yes -> https://www.freedesktop.org/software/systemd/man/systemd-resolved.service.html | 13:00 |
| miojo | This was driving me crazy on Debian | 13:01 |
| freem | are there packages in debian that depends on this... tool? | 13:01 |
| miojo | don't know. but it came by default | 13:02 |
| miojo | and i admin a lot of servers | 13:02 |
| miojo | so | 13:02 |
| miojo | by debian | 13:02 |
| * freem is currently on debian 10, with init => runit-init | 13:02 | |
| * miojo freem good luck with that | 13:03 | |
| freem | works fine, but I'm annoyed that I can't use stuff like kcachegrind, because it pulls KDE, which would pull systemd. | 13:03 |
| freem | I running that since years actually :) | 13:03 |
| freem | not using big desktop, though. | 13:03 |
| miojo | for me, devuan solved my problems without even think about pkgs or deps anymore | 13:04 |
| freem | which is nice | 13:04 |
| freem | don't take me wrong, I don't say devuan does not help, otherwise I would not be willing to try it anew. | 13:04 |
| miojo | all right , i have to go now | 13:06 |
| miojo | have a nice day :) | 13:06 |
| miojo | bbl | 13:06 |
| freem | same for you | 13:06 |
| jsl | Hi. Trying to boot (and later install) "beowolf" under VirtualBox (6.1.8, Host Win10). System will have a 16GB hdd and 4GB RAM. Nothing special. Problem is, that the initial boot hangs at `Mountpoint-cache hash table entries: 8192 (order...)` | 14:00 |
| frabbit | pinta chrashes here when i try to edit photos 4 example. i get: "*** Error in `/usr/bin/mono': malloc(): memory corruption: 0x000055cbfe4c4b20 ***" and then alot of debugging output... | 14:00 |
| jsl | Anybody knows whats going on in VirtualBox? | 14:00 |
| frabbit | "memory corruption" does that mean my ram is broken? | 14:01 |
| frabbit | https://paste.debian.net/plainh/20b111c2 | 14:04 |
| enyc | for exapmel, devuan beowulf ... how to update an existing system and get rid of apt-secure mwarnings ... | 14:16 |
| enyc | all these FAQs about existing systems updated to beowulf (not the same as new installs) need handling | 14:16 |
| frabbit | enyc: make a fresh install | 14:16 |
| enyc | frabbit: I may be able to re-cycle a different disk for that in time.... | 14:16 |
| enyc | frabbit: why? why can't these updae-faqs be handled? | 14:16 |
| frabbit | enyc: u need to ask maintainers for that, but my experience teached me to make a frsh instalkl is always less hurting | 14:17 |
| enyc | frabbit: i have osmewhat complex, lots of packages, services, desktop ,... | 14:17 |
| enyc | frabbit: whic I could do but complex. and in any case there will be others whove already 'upgraded' to beowulf before official release (like me, helped testing, writing our grumbles, and so on!) | 14:18 |
| frabbit | espacially for debina based derivates, i mean look how many versions between oldstable and stable... issues are probably not to avoid... | 14:18 |
| frabbit | versions of programs you have installed | 14:19 |
| frabbit | yesterday i need to realize that some configs are now in different dirs for some programs... thats anoying even after a fresh install and thats enough trouble for me after i "upgraded", no need for more here while making an apt-get dist-upgrade | 14:21 |
| enyc | frabbit: I sensible have set of sysetm disks so i can switch disk | 14:21 |
| frabbit | enyc: i dont undertsand sorry | 14:22 |
| frabbit | *understand | 14:22 |
| bolti[m] | Hi, I've been using linux in the last months, and I'm considering use Devuan, but I have a question, what are some disadvantages of using an old kernel version? | 14:29 |
| enyc | frabbit: I have extra system disks in machine so i can re-use another to 'install' a replacement devuan | 14:31 |
| enyc | frabbit: withou affecting 'working' system | 14:32 |
| frabbit | enyc: oh ok | 14:32 |
| enyc | frabbit: then start transferring stuff across and things like that! | 14:32 |
| frabbit | enyc: sound good then just do it =) | 14:32 |
| frabbit | bolti[m]: "old" kernel... | 14:32 |
| frabbit | its still supported | 14:32 |
| bolti[m] | yeah, "old" | 14:33 |
| bolti[m] | but I have an amd radeon as cpu, it will work fine? | 14:33 |
| gnarface | bolti[m]: if it doesn't, you can always use the backports kernel | 14:33 |
| frabbit | disadvantage is that u get rid of brand new kernel breaks something again and u nedd to figuere out what xD | 14:33 |
| gnarface | bolti[m]: try one of the live images | 14:33 |
| frabbit | yeah test it first | 14:34 |
| bolti[m] | okay, I will test | 14:34 |
| frabbit | also u could use the linu-libre repo for deb | 14:34 |
| frabbit | there u can get the newest kernel version too | 14:34 |
| frabbit | #linux-libre | 14:35 |
| frabbit | what are these tools called that monitors ur cpu, ram usage and so on on ur desktop? | 14:36 |
| frabbit | im sure i had something like that years ago but i cant remember the name... | 14:36 |
| bolti[m] | How is your experience with devuan? | 14:36 |
| bolti[m] | task manager? | 14:37 |
| frabbit | bolti[m]: my2cent: i can reconize no difference between debian that i used before for years and devuan | 14:37 |
| frabbit | lol yeah of course a taskmanager xD i mean it is sticked to the background or something and display it live... i3 has this by default ithink... | 14:38 |
| frabbit | its eyecandy, but good for beginners imho | 14:40 |
| bolti[m] | conky | 14:40 |
| onefang | Yep, conky | 14:40 |
| frabbit | yes! | 14:42 |
| frabbit | thx =D | 14:43 |
| frabbit | i had a mnemonic with Donky Conky i rememeber now xD | 14:43 |
| bolti[m] | devuan live it's not starting XFCE | 14:47 |
| frabbit | bolti[m]: do u have live minimal eventually? | 14:48 |
| fsmithred | new hardware? | 14:48 |
| bolti[m] | amd ryzen 3500u | 14:48 |
| bolti[m] | I downloaded live version | 14:48 |
| fsmithred | hang on... | 14:48 |
| bolti[m] | and running startx on tty doesn't work either | 14:50 |
| fsmithred | you got an internet connection? | 14:50 |
| bolti[m] | it's a notebook | 14:51 |
| bolti[m] | which network manager devuan used? | 14:51 |
| fsmithred | wicd | 14:51 |
| bolti[m] | I've read somewhere that doesn't use NetowrkManager | 14:51 |
| fsmithred | but if you have console, you can get a connection | 14:52 |
| fsmithred | using ethernet? (easier) | 14:52 |
| fsmithred | dhclient eth0 | 14:52 |
| bolti[m] | my notebook doesn't have ethernet | 14:52 |
| fsmithred | what wireless hardware? | 14:52 |
| bolti[m] | I don't know the model | 14:54 |
| bolti[m] | but it recognizes wlan0 interface | 14:54 |
| fsmithred | wicd-curses (I think) | 14:55 |
| bolti[m] | wicd-cli doesn't work | 14:55 |
| bolti[m] | how do I connect using wifi? | 14:56 |
| fsmithred | wpasupplicant | 14:56 |
| fsmithred | but I don't know off the top of my head how to do that | 14:56 |
| fsmithred | or configure it in /etc/network/interfaces | 14:57 |
| fsmithred | try this one. It has backports kernel and also firmware-amd-graphics installed. https://get.refracta.org/files/experimental/refracta-test-oblx_5.4bpo-20200428_1527.iso | 14:57 |
| frabbit | bolti[m]: 14:54 < fsmithred> or configure it in /etc/network/interfaces - if u do this staically without dhcp and it will work, please let me know what u have done ;) | 14:58 |
| frabbit | *statically | 14:58 |
| fsmithred | frabbit, scroll to bottom for an example: https://refracta.org/docs/Release_Notes_9.0.txt | 14:59 |
| fsmithred | bolti[m] could use that, too | 15:00 |
| bolti[m] | what is refracta? | 15:00 |
| fsmithred | a devuan respin | 15:00 |
| fsmithred | that I make | 15:00 |
| fsmithred | I also make the official devuan live isos | 15:01 |
| fsmithred | Refracta used to be a debian respin until jessie | 15:01 |
| bolti[m] | I guess I will pass from devuan | 15:03 |
| bolti[m] | Maybe I will try again in some time | 15:04 |
| frabbit | fsmithred: thank u, but that looks nearly the same that gnarface told me to do and that didnt worked for me... but i will try it again later ;) | 15:04 |
| bolti[m] | thanks for your kindness and help | 15:04 |
| frabbit | bolti[m]: xD | 15:04 |
| frabbit | bolti[m]: you serious? | 15:05 |
| bolti[m] | yes | 15:06 |
| frabbit | bolti[m]: dont give up or poettering will eat your eyes ;P | 15:06 |
| bolti[m] | I don't feel like I'm ready for this, I don't know too much about linux | 15:06 |
| bolti[m] | So I will learn more, and then try again | 15:06 |
| frabbit | bolti[m]: hmm.. you need to report whats not working | 15:06 |
| frabbit | else no one can help u... | 15:07 |
| bolti[m] | I'm almost sure that it's the cpu | 15:07 |
| bolti[m] | + gpu | 15:07 |
| fsmithred | try the test iso with the backports kernel | 15:07 |
| bolti[m] | that uses a devuan 2.0? | 15:08 |
| fsmithred | you know how to image a usb stick? | 15:08 |
| fsmithred | no, that's devuan 3.0 which got released a couple days ago - it's the current stable | 15:08 |
| bolti[m] | what do you mean with image? ( I don't speak english natively) | 15:09 |
| bolti[m] | You mean like creating a bootable usb? | 15:09 |
| frabbit | man.. with running conky here i can cook meal with my heatsink xD | 15:09 |
| fsmithred | yes | 15:09 |
| fsmithred | bootable usb | 15:09 |
| bolti[m] | yes, I know | 15:09 |
| fsmithred | so image a usb stick with the test iso and see if it runs | 15:09 |
| bolti[m] | Okay | 15:09 |
| bolti[m] | sorry for this questions, but It will compatible with all devuan updates? | 15:10 |
| fsmithred | oh, if you install that? Yes, it uses only devuan repository | 15:10 |
| bolti[m] | distro upgrades should work too? | 15:10 |
| fsmithred | yes | 15:11 |
| bolti[m] | okay, i'm downloading it | 15:11 |
| fsmithred | but that might not be the best choice of packages for you - it's a lean system that doesn't have a fancy desktop environment | 15:11 |
| bolti[m] | I'm using a wm currently | 15:12 |
| fsmithred | oh, cool. This one has openbox plus lxpanel | 15:12 |
| bolti[m] | I've never used openbox | 15:13 |
| fsmithred | which one you use? | 15:13 |
| bolti[m] | openbox is a DE o WM? | 15:13 |
| fsmithred | wm | 15:13 |
| bolti[m] | I like tiling windows manager | 15:13 |
| bolti[m] | I've been using qtile, and recently I started to use dwm | 15:13 |
| frabbit | bolti[m]: then use dwm =) | 15:13 |
| frabbit | cool! | 15:13 |
| fsmithred | well, if those are in debian/devuan repos, you can install them | 15:14 |
| bolti[m] | yes | 15:14 |
| frabbit | yes dwm is in devuan | 15:14 |
| bolti[m] | But i prefer source code in that case | 15:14 |
| frabbit | other suckless software too ;) | 15:14 |
| fsmithred | ok, so maybe this is the right iso for you | 15:14 |
| bolti[m] | I'm only worried about a updated system | 15:15 |
| fsmithred | other than the name and some configuration tweaks, it's devuan | 15:15 |
| fsmithred | so any upgrades you do will come from devuan repos | 15:15 |
| bolti[m] | And I'm kind of beginner in linux, I don't know if I can solve many problems without a guide or documentation | 15:15 |
| fsmithred | that's how you learn | 15:16 |
| frabbit | bolti[m]: ur a beginner but using dwm? o_0 | 15:17 |
| bolti[m] | Well, I know programming | 15:17 |
| frabbit | ah ok | 15:17 |
| fsmithred | here's an old but good beginner's guide: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=30&t=58557 | 15:18 |
| bolti[m] | Not an expert either, but I like and I do as hobby | 15:18 |
| bolti[m] | I started to learn C to understand better linux too | 15:18 |
| frabbit | fsmithred: thats a good guide! =o | 15:20 |
| fsmithred | that was written before a big exodus from that site | 15:20 |
| frabbit | i see | 15:21 |
| bolti[m] | thanks, I will save it | 15:21 |
| fsmithred | bolti[m], if you want to install that live system, here's a guide for the installer: https://devuan.org/os/documentation/install-guides/beowulf/live-gui | 15:21 |
| bolti[m] | yeah, but I couln't reach to xfce | 15:22 |
| fsmithred | I have to go out pretty soon | 15:22 |
| fsmithred | no xfce in that iso, but you could add it later | 15:22 |
| fsmithred | no need to xfce to do the install. Different system but same installer. | 15:22 |
| bolti[m] | how can I connect to wifi? | 15:22 |
| fsmithred | try wicd - it's installed | 15:22 |
| fsmithred | upper right in the panel | 15:22 |
| bolti[m] | oh, so your iso it's a installer | 15:23 |
| fsmithred | it has an installer. Not the same as the regular debian installer. | 15:23 |
| fsmithred | this one makes rsync copy of the live system onto the hard drive. | 15:23 |
| fsmithred | partitioning is fully manual. | 15:23 |
| bolti[m] | okay | 15:23 |
| fsmithred | if you want raid or lvm, it won't do it, but there's a way you can set that up manually and then use the non-gui version of the installer | 15:24 |
| bolti[m] | and it uses devuan 3.0? because in the website it says it uses devuan 2 | 15:24 |
| fsmithred | another possibility is you wait for maybe a few days or a week and I get ambitious enough to make a devuan xfce iso with backports kernel | 15:25 |
| fsmithred | which? what? | 15:25 |
| bolti[m] | no problem for that | 15:25 |
| bolti[m] | I can install that | 15:25 |
| fsmithred | the iso I linked for you uses beowulf with beowulf-backports kernel | 15:25 |
| bolti[m] | https://refracta.org/docs/Release_Notes_9.0.txt | 15:26 |
| fsmithred | official Refracta isos are still based on ascii, I did make some betas with beowulf | 15:26 |
| bolti[m] | I guess this are old release notes | 15:26 |
| bolti[m] | but just in case | 15:26 |
| bgstack15 | fsmithred: I finally got around to trying that chimaera live iso. Unfortunately the main boot menu option just boot-cycles on my hardware. | 15:26 |
| bolti[m] | I will test the iso now | 15:26 |
| fsmithred | anything in my experimental directory is fair game for me to play or go crazy | 15:26 |
| bgstack15 | Is it possible taht my 2007-era Dell Latitude D630 isn't using the right components (UEFI or something)? | 15:26 |
| fsmithred | bgstack15, bios or uefi | 15:26 |
| fsmithred | 2007 should work | 15:26 |
| bgstack15 | it'll be cbios | 15:27 |
| bgstack15 | *bios | 15:27 |
| bolti[m] | it worked | 15:27 |
| bolti[m] | at least now I'm in lxde | 15:27 |
| fsmithred | not quite lxde | 15:27 |
| fsmithred | about halfway there | 15:28 |
| fsmithred | openbox, lxpanel, lxterminal, spacefm | 15:28 |
| bolti[m] | network doesn't appear to work | 15:28 |
| bolti[m] | No wireless networks found | 15:28 |
| bolti[m] | oh | 15:28 |
| fsmithred | lspci | grep -i net | 15:28 |
| bolti[m] | I doesn't recognize wlan0 | 15:28 |
| fsmithred | bgstack15, I've only booted it in qemu so far | 15:29 |
| bolti[m] | > lspci | grep -i net | 15:29 |
| bolti[m] | that shows the wifi ada`pter | 15:29 |
| bolti[m] | ip link doesn't | 15:29 |
| fsmithred | what model is it? | 15:30 |
| frabbit | bolti[m]: ... u r not a beginner | 15:30 |
| fsmithred | lol, you noticed that, too. | 15:30 |
| bolti[m] | RTL8822BE | 15:30 |
| frabbit | anyway ill take a a nap | 15:30 |
| fsmithred | ok | 15:30 |
| frabbit | fsmithred: yeah =D | 15:30 |
| fsmithred | apt update | 15:30 |
| bolti[m] | well, I feel like that | 15:31 |
| fsmithred | apt install firmware-realtek | 15:31 |
| fsmithred | wait | 15:31 |
| frabbit | bolti[m]: what should i say then? xD | 15:31 |
| fsmithred | it should already be installed | 15:31 |
| frabbit | happy hacking ;) | 15:31 |
| bolti[m] | but I don't have internet | 15:31 |
| bolti[m] | so I cant use apt | 15:31 |
| fsmithred | ok, maybe the post I found that says it won't work until 5.7 kernel is right | 15:31 |
| bolti[m] | > happy hacking ;) | 15:31 |
| bolti[m] | thanks :D | 15:31 |
| fsmithred | lsmod | grep rtl | 15:32 |
| fsmithred | don't post the output here | 15:32 |
| fsmithred | just check to see if some rtl modules got loaded or not | 15:32 |
| bolti[m] | brtl | 15:33 |
| bolti[m] | and bluethooth | 15:33 |
| fsmithred | oh | 15:33 |
| fsmithred | try 'modprobe -v realtek' | 15:33 |
| fsmithred | then refresh wicd | 15:33 |
| bolti[m] | modprobe not found | 15:34 |
| fsmithred | oh, /sbin/modprobe -v realtek | 15:34 |
| bolti[m] | how to refresh wicd? | 15:35 |
| bolti[m] | like sv restart wicd? | 15:35 |
| bolti[m] | I've only use systemd before | 15:35 |
| fsmithred | click on the button that says Refresh | 15:36 |
| fsmithred | in wicd | 15:36 |
| bolti[m] | oh | 15:36 |
| fsmithred | I think that's what it says. Maybe reload? | 15:36 |
| bolti[m] | It still shows no wireless found | 15:36 |
| fsmithred | also try ip link again | 15:37 |
| bolti[m] | ip link doesn't show wlan btw, just lo | 15:37 |
| fsmithred | or check preferences in wicd to make sure def | 15:37 |
| fsmithred | shit | 15:37 |
| fsmithred | I have to go | 15:37 |
| fsmithred | some parting thoughts... | 15:37 |
| fsmithred | wait few weeks and there will be a newer iso with newer kernel | 15:38 |
| bolti[m] | okay | 15:38 |
| bolti[m] | thanks for your help :) | 15:38 |
| fsmithred | or pull hard drive and connect it to a box that has ethernet, install, put it back in laptop | 15:38 |
| bolti[m] | really | 15:38 |
| fsmithred | you'll learn a lot that way and probably curse me for a few days | 15:38 |
| bolti[m] | maybe with phone internet share? | 15:38 |
| fsmithred | oh | 15:39 |
| fsmithred | yes, tethering should work | 15:39 |
| bolti[m] | and what should I install? | 15:39 |
| fsmithred | with usb cable to the android device | 15:39 |
| fsmithred | I think it's already installed | 15:39 |
| fsmithred | should show up on desktop when you plug in | 15:39 |
| fsmithred | set up tethering in android | 15:39 |
| fsmithred | set wicd default wireless device to be probably usb0 | 15:40 |
| fsmithred | note:if you make the wicd window bigger, you'll see where Preferences are hiding. | 15:40 |
| fsmithred | good luck | 15:40 |
| fsmithred | bbl | 15:40 |
| bolti[m] | but what should I have to install? | 15:40 |
| bolti[m] | yes usb0 | 15:41 |
| fsmithred | firmware-amd-graphics | 15:42 |
| fsmithred | you have a partition to install the system? | 15:42 |
| bolti[m] | yes | 15:42 |
| bolti[m] | I can't connect using wicd | 15:43 |
| bolti[m] | in wireless interface I set usb0 | 15:43 |
| fsmithred | don't need it to install the system to hard drive | 15:43 |
| fsmithred | Refresh | 15:43 |
| fsmithred | didn't work | 15:43 |
| fsmithred | really gotta go now | 15:43 |
| bolti[m] | Not connected | 15:43 |
| fsmithred | back in about 4 hours | 15:43 |
| bolti[m] | okay | 15:43 |
| fsmithred | click the connect button? | 15:44 |
| bolti[m] | no connect button | 15:44 |
| bolti[m] | no problem, we can continue later | 15:44 |
| bolti[m] | maybe you can add my phone number and speak trough telegram | 15:44 |
| bolti[m] | it wroked | 15:48 |
| bolti[m] | All packages that I guess I would need are installed | 15:55 |
| bolti[m] | and no wifi | 15:56 |
| eyalroz | Congratulations everyone for the release of Beowulf | 16:08 |
| eyalroz | ! | 16:08 |
| * enyc reads https://files.devuan.org/devuan_beowulf/Release_notes.txt | 16:12 | |
| enyc | When I get a chance I will test new-install and see if any of the existing beowulf issues recur!!! | 16:15 |
| enyc | I have had weird issues with multiple different gui applications taking 100% cpu until-killed | 16:16 |
| enyc | also had isssue with udev not initiliazied early enough in starteup | 16:16 |
| enyc | have just rebooted with (fully updated) 'existing' devuan and see how that goes. | 16:17 |
| specing | So, anyone has an idea how to enable apparmor? | 18:43 |
| specing | /etc/init.d.apparmor start fails due to no systemd, and still doesen't start anything when the systemd call is removed | 18:44 |
| sixwheeledbeast | if it's installed it would start at boot or spit an error message as to why it hasn't | 19:01 |
| SGOrava | Hello, I did not expect that so many people will be here. | 19:31 |
| AlexT | Is anybody from devuan team listening ? devuan.org uses these two NS records on the registrar end: ns2.devuan.dev, ns3.devuan.dev. ".dev" is quite new and I had issues on customer name servers with these ".dev" names. I know the bug was on my customers end, but for better availability devuan should use more and more common names for it's name | 19:32 |
| AlexT | servers. | 19:32 |
| Humanoid | I'm using the net install in expert mode. I'm having 2 problems. | 19:43 |
| Humanoid | 1- It won't let me install on a partition that I already created my own ext4 filesystem on. | 19:43 |
| Humanoid | 2- If I tell it to create its own filesystem, it doesn't support ext3 or ext4, but only ext2. | 19:43 |
| sixwheeledbeast | Firefox still has weird issues with .dev domains that I don't believe are fixed yet, back from them being a test only domain. | 19:44 |
| Xelraa | SGOrava why? | 19:48 |
| Xelraa | devuan is the only true debian | 19:49 |
| Xelraa | debian as you know it does not exist anymore | 19:49 |
| Xelraa | so why wouldnt we be here | 19:49 |
| SGOrava | Xelraa: We have less than 50 users on IRC at the moment at #artix | 19:49 |
| SGOrava | Xelraa: Debian is dead ? I only heard that they are too politically correct and that they use systemd. | 19:50 |
| Xelraa | read wikipedia what happened with ian murdock so yeah u can say offically that distro is dead | 19:51 |
| Xelraa | maybe its time for a name change for debian ReiserIANSystemDIAN | 19:51 |
| kiwi_58 | Hello, commented out the lines "deb-src http://pkgmaster.devuan.org/merged ascii main" and co. in /etc/apt/sources.list, but I still got the message "deb-src http://pkgmaster.devuan.org/merged ascii main " when doing: apt-get build-dep linux. Anybody an idea? Thanks. | 19:51 |
| kiwi_58 | I wish however devuan's long living. (: | 19:52 |
| kiwi_58 | the message was mom | 19:53 |
| kiwi_58 | pardon: [1]E: You must put some 'source' URIs in your sources.list | 19:54 |
| kiwi_58 | deb-src http://site.example.com/debian distribution | 19:54 |
| Humanoid | kiwi_58: Did you remember to do "apt-get update"? | 19:54 |
| kiwi_58 | ok | 19:56 |
| SGOrava | Xelraa: no idea | 19:57 |
| Humanoid | The beowulf net installer is full of bugs. Are there any instructions on using debootstrap to do everything? | 19:58 |
| MrPetovan | Hi, I just got the email about the release of Beowulf, I updated my sources.lost, ran `apt update` but a couple of files have mismatch checksum and have been ignored | 20:00 |
| kiwi_58 | Humanoid: thanks | 20:01 |
| MrPetovan | Never mind, running `apt clean` first solved the mismatch | 20:03 |
| ejr | hi guys. i love devuan, and i want to keep on using it, but whenever i run a bare minimum installation of devuan (3.0) with either wpa_supplicant + dhclient for getting online, or alternatively using wicd, i always get very laggy or unstable, slow connections. | 21:20 |
| ejr | i am 100% positive that it is devuan-related because I have also tried several other distros with my other SSD for a while, yet i cannot figure out which package or setting is responsible for this. | 21:21 |
| Xelraa | SSD has nothing to do with wifi | 21:35 |
| Xelraa | so dont even mention | 21:35 |
| Xelraa | wicd is a pile of shit | 21:35 |
| Xelraa | just shell script wpa client and iwconfig | 21:36 |
| Xelraa | dont use connection managers like that or avahi | 21:36 |
| Xelraa | but tbh you have another problem | 21:36 |
| teknopaul | hi all, installing beowolf, version just downloaded today, intel nuc. Guided install is working, manual partitions only has fat32, swap and ext2. No ext4, is this a known issue or should I raise a bug? | 21:37 |
| Xelraa | ejr start with try other channels on your wifi AP and check for interference | 21:37 |
| tuxd3v | Xelraa, you can always use ceni :) | 21:37 |
| Xelraa | there are channel scanner programs for your phone check which is not used | 21:37 |
| fsmithred | teknopaul, someone else reported that but I could not reproduce it. | 21:37 |
| fsmithred | maybe bad download or bad burn? | 21:38 |
| Xelraa | even if it says that channel X is not used then if you use another laptop on your own next to your other one it can massively worsen wifi transition | 21:38 |
| fsmithred | teknopaul, which iso are you using? | 21:38 |
| teknopaul | maybe a bad downlaod but if its repeatable? etc4 seems to be working for guided | 21:38 |
| teknopaul | not finished the install I'll report more details | 21:39 |
| fsmithred | ok, thanks | 21:39 |
| ejr | Xelraa: yes, i actually prefer just using wpa_supplicant + dhclient - less dependencies etc.. i tried wicd and also once nm to see if that solves the problem, but it does not | 21:39 |
| ejr | i don't use a smartphone but i will check out how i can check whether it's due to the wifi channel, thanks | 21:40 |
| teknopaul | sha256sum checks out on the download | 21:43 |
| teknopaul | not sure if its related: hardware scanning failed on the wifi, I said no to installing firmware, not planning to use wifi. Is the someelse contactable? Maybe we can find something common in our setups? | 21:50 |
| bgstack15 | fsmithred: dumb question, but does the chimaera iso include nonfree drivers? I'm guessing my wireless network card is not supported by whatever driver sets are included. | 22:18 |
| fsmithred | nope | 22:18 |
| fsmithred | I just made another one that has the firmware packages in a directory | 22:18 |
| fsmithred | what card you got? | 22:19 |
| bgstack15 | (no lspci either!) | 22:22 |
| bgstack15 | it'll be the bog standard wnic for Dell Latitude D630, so let me look that up | 22:23 |
| bgstack15 | I had no idea its name was "Dell Wireless 1395" | 22:23 |
| bgstack15 | and dang, connman looks just like NM | 22:24 |
| teknopaul | devuan_beowulf_3.0.0_amd64-server.iso | 22:27 |
| sgage | Where can one find a Chimaera ISO? | 22:38 |
| golinux | https://get.refracta.org/files/experimental/ | 22:40 |
| sgage | Thanks golinux! I've got an upgraded ascii>beowulf>chimaera, | 22:45 |
| sgage | but I think it's time for a fresh start! | 22:46 |
| golinux | You are adventurous! | 22:46 |
| sgage | Well, I have a spare partition ;-) | 22:47 |
| fsmithred | sgage, maybe wait until the next iso gets uploaded | 23:12 |
| fsmithred | bgstack15, looks like you have a broadcom wireless | 23:16 |
| fsmithred | b43-something | 23:16 |
| sgage | fsmithred - will do. I will check from time to time... | 23:16 |
| fsmithred | well, maybe check in an hour | 23:16 |
| sgage | oh, goodie! | 23:17 |
| fsmithred | uploading now. This one has lspci. | 23:20 |
| sixwheeledbeast | firmware-b43-installer ? | 23:21 |
| fsmithred | bgstack15, this next iso has firmware packages, but I think for | 23:21 |
| fsmithred | yeah | 23:21 |
| fsmithred | which is catch 22 | 23:21 |
| fsmithred | you must have a network connection to download the firmware for your wireless card | 23:21 |
| sgage | Great! I'll get it after supper... | 23:22 |
| fsmithred | if that's the case, I'll get the actual files to you another way. If I put them in the iso, I am liable for any actions against broadcom. | 23:23 |
| fsmithred | forgot dark star | 23:28 |
| sixwheeledbeast | I think the installer pulls them from broadcom via wget? | 23:28 |
| fsmithred | I added also but no audio test file | 23:29 |
| fsmithred | if you have ethernet... | 23:29 |
| sixwheeledbeast | oh i see | 23:29 |
| fsmithred | and this is refractainstaller, so it doesn't pull anything | 23:29 |
| fsmithred | just copies from the live media | 23:29 |
| fsmithred | also/alsa | 23:33 |
| fsmithred | ls | 23:34 |
| fsmithred | upload finished: https://get.refracta.org/files/experimental/snapshot_chimaera_01-20200605_2006.iso | 23:36 |
| sgage | ... burning it to USB stick now. | 23:55 |
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