| gnu_srs | Hi, has anybody seen some statistics on the number of downloads of beowulf? | 00:12 |
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| * lastebil has downloaded a copy plus used the net installer, so: 2. | 00:18 | |
| lastebil | that said: because of net installs, I'm not sure that any number will be 100% accurate. (all other answers will be more accurate than mine, however.) | 00:19 |
| EHeM | Not to mention there are upgrades where all you might see are packages flowing by. | 00:29 |
| EHeM | OTOH if you have a computer with multiple VMs, you can have them share downloads and even though you only see packages being downloaded once they might be installed multiple times. | 00:30 |
| ibanja | Is LVM pretty much obsolete? | 01:34 |
| ibanja | The reason I ask is that the beowulf installer seems to make using LVM, or custom partitioning difficult... or am I missing something? | 01:37 |
| ibanja | I get to "Run the partitioner now?" and choose skip, because I have LVM partitions, and I can only choose physical volumes. | 02:07 |
| fsmithred | ibanja, which iso are you using? | 02:14 |
| fsmithred | installer iso or live iso? | 02:15 |
| ibanja | using devuan_beowulf_3.0.0_amd64_desktop-live.iso | 02:21 |
| fsmithred | ok, you can do it with the cli installer | 02:24 |
| fsmithred | open the lvm first. If it's encrypted, open the encrypted volume first. | 02:25 |
| fsmithred | then in terminal run 'sudo refractainstaller' | 02:25 |
| fsmithred | and when it asks what partitions to use, you type in the /dev/mapper/name | 02:25 |
| ibanja | when you say open the lvm first, do you mean activate? | 02:26 |
| fsmithred | if you need more detailed instructions, let me know. I'm just sitting here watching a movie. | 02:27 |
| fsmithred | yeah, vgchange -ay something | 02:27 |
| fsmithred | volume name | 02:27 |
| fsmithred | you can run vgscan or vgdisplay before and after to see what you have | 02:28 |
| fsmithred | and what you've done | 02:28 |
| fsmithred | the installer will let you have separate /boot and /home partitions | 02:29 |
| ibanja | OK... just ran refractainstaller ... that's familiar... | 02:29 |
| fsmithred | oh, that helps | 02:29 |
| ibanja | Looks good... thanks fsmithred | 02:30 |
| fsmithred | if the lvm is in an encrypted volume, you need to edit /etc/crypttab manually | 02:30 |
| fsmithred | I'm happy to see that someone actually used it for lvm. | 02:32 |
| ibanja | ok... thanks | 02:33 |
| bgstack15 | Everything I do uses lvm... if I get a choice. | 03:29 |
| bgstack15 | The last time I chose to skip lvm, I ended up realizing later that I wanted to extend space... but now I couldn't... | 03:30 |
| fsmithred | symlink is your friend | 03:33 |
| DarwinElf | on four my Devuan 3 systems (converted from Debian 9, upgraded) there's no kern.log/dmesg, and trying to halt/reboot/shutdown, some those commands can't find runlevel, and they all ' timeout opening/writing control channel /run/initctl'... three when powered off & on don't bring up ethernet/network (but can start manually, requiring ifconfig, etc.)... what could've gone wrong on the upgrade/conversion? | 04:02 |
| EHeM | DarwinElf: Might you have installed some Devuan packages, but left some Debian packages behind? | 04:04 |
| EHeM | DarwinElf: Look for "obsolete" packages in your favorite package manager and see whether they should be removed. | 04:06 |
| DarwinElf | i doubt it | 04:07 |
| gnarface | does /run/initctl even exist? | 04:08 |
| gnarface | my guess is also that you have a incomplete upgrade, but maybe it's more about missing packages than the wrong versions of them | 04:08 |
| gnarface | run this once as a sanity check; apt-get update && apt-get upgrade && apt-get dist-upgrade | 04:09 |
| gnarface | if your install was complete and i'm wrong about it, then this should execute no changes | 04:09 |
| DarwinElf | favourite package manager? Does *BSD-style pkg or basic GNU/Linux/Slackware slackpkg work? Of course, I did that on the first upgrade and sometimes since. Apt autoremove showed nothing | 04:09 |
| gnarface | if i'm right, you'll be prompted with packages to install/upgrade/remove or possibly an error about a broken/missing package or other related failure | 04:10 |
| DarwinElf | i'll try it again anyway | 04:10 |
| gnarface | my favorite of the tools are apt-cache and apt-get | 04:10 |
| gnarface | if you paint yourself into a corner, aptitude is known for being decent at thinking for you though, and proposing solutions | 04:10 |
| gnarface | also, make sure you read the release notes, especially about the consolekit/elogind thing. they're mutually exclusive, functionally, even though the packages themselves don't enforce it, so if you're upgrading from debian there's a good chance you're left with both in which case neither work | 04:12 |
| gnarface | (would be expected to cause certain permissions errors) | 04:12 |
| DarwinElf | On each, /run/initctl exists, and 'The following packages will be upgraded: ca-certificates linux-libc-dev' | 04:14 |
| DarwinElf | i don't remember what page I read about switching, but it was likely on Devuan.org, then when/before I finally did, I was surprised how easy it was. It had already become much simpler, and someone here maybe linked me an official page about it, if I hadn't found it... the instructions became maybe 1/4 or 1/10 the original size... | 04:17 |
| DarwinElf | maybe the problem is they're in OpenVZ emulators/virtual-machines (emu/VM, run by a virtual private server, VPS, company) but those were setup for Debian operating system (OS) images? I'm thinking the OpenVZ are setup for systemd, as if the VPS company really believe system administrators (sysadmins) now normally want systemd... | 04:20 |
| DarwinElf | and maybe that's the case... maybe other than systadmins in name, most real ones are retired/deceased by now... | 04:21 |
| DarwinElf | i haven't really done much on most the servers, so an option is just erase & retry... | 04:24 |
| gnarface | sorry, i could only speculate, but the systemd thing does sound like a potential suspect | 04:28 |
| gnarface | i don't know enough about openvz to be sure, but their documentation would mention it | 04:28 |
| gnarface | neither ca-certificates nor linux-libc-dev should affect this, if those are really the only things not upgraded | 04:29 |
| DarwinElf | yeah. So I think I'm going to try one re-install/-upgrade (from Debian 10) anyway, and anything I'm not sure I'm doing right, hopefully I could ask here. If that doesn't work, I'll eventually have to switch VPS company unless they offer 'real' servers... any suggestions? This one was just $15/year for 128MB RAM and 12GB storage... of course, I might pay half or more of $15/month to install anything I want in KVM, but that's not affordable currently. | 04:36 |
| DarwinElf | Low-powered system resources is okay because it's just for IRC programs/clients... | 04:36 |
| gnarface | my suggestion would be to try it on bare metal in the same room as you first | 04:41 |
| gnarface | reduce the total amount of variables in order to solve the formula easier | 04:42 |
| gnarface | after that it should be easier to know which vps service to use | 04:44 |
| gnarface | the problem with a virtual machine is you can't see the actual startup and shutdown messages so you're shooting blind for the important parts of the process | 04:46 |
| gnarface | and yea, systemd *probably* breaks it, but there's no way of knowing if that's all that is wrong at this point | 04:47 |
| gnarface | although i recall last i did this, i used a Xen image, not OpenVZ. if the company you're using also offers both, try Xen. it might matter, but importantly, this last time i tried it i'm pretty sure was before hosting companies had widely switched to the systemd debian versions | 04:49 |
| DarwinElf | i think I've changed Debian to Devuan before on one of my PCs, when it was much more difficult... | 04:49 |
| DarwinElf | might try it anyway, at least on a system that may be emu/VM, but is on my own non-systemd PC... or can try it on a laptop in a few days... | 04:51 |
| EHeM | There is work under way to getting Xen operational on Raspberry PI 4s, it appears it will take a number of versions to become properly operational, but steps are being taken. | 04:58 |
| se7en | gnarface: I have fixed my audio. I have determined the issue stems from confusion over the latest changelog | 08:04 |
| se7en | Despite not having pulseaudio, I commented out a conf file installed by default | 08:04 |
| se7en | The one at /etc/pulse/client.conf.d/00-disable-autospawn.conf | 08:05 |
| DarwinElf | thanks | 08:05 |
| kreyren | Anyone having issues with lightdm on devuan testing? | 08:57 |
| man_in_shack | define "issues" | 09:27 |
| kreyren | man_in_shack, after lockscreen it freezes and has to be restarted through SSH | 09:27 |
| kreyren | might be something that i've caused though since i am on franken | 09:28 |
| kreyren | lightdm/stable,now 1.26.0-4 amd64 [installed] | 09:33 |
| gnarface | probably graphics driver related, kreyren | 09:40 |
| gnarface | if it's a franken-devuan install though, some dependency version problem is possible | 09:40 |
| kreyren | gnarface, why do you think it's graphics driver? | 09:44 |
| gnarface | kreyren: based on your description of the problem, and my own statistical observations | 09:47 |
| gnarface | kreyren: i could be wrong | 09:47 |
| gnarface | kreyren: but you might even be able to avoid the issue by changing to a non-3d lockscreen and a non-compositing desktop | 09:48 |
| gnarface | if that worked, it would be one way to know for sure anyway | 09:49 |
| kreyren | doesn't seem to be related to graphics driver http://ix.io/2oXS, but it seems to be related to the frontend used for XFCE4 ? | 09:49 |
| gnarface | use paste.debian.net if you want me to actually click on it | 09:50 |
| kreyren | gnarface, true, will try thanks for info ^-^ | 09:50 |
| gnarface | my second guess was going to be power management | 09:50 |
| kreyren | gnarface, > Length of code is not allowed to exceed 150kB -- on paste.debian.net | 09:51 |
| kreyren | second guess noted | 09:51 |
| splinterbyte | I have just install a VM on KVM from devuan_beowulf_3.0.0_amd64-server.iso | 14:10 |
| splinterbyte | and I'm having this problem: | 14:11 |
| splinterbyte | root@mx:~# lvs | 14:11 |
| splinterbyte | WARNING: Device /dev/dm-0 not initialized in udev database even after waiting 10000000 microseconds. | 14:11 |
| splinterbyte | WARNING: Device /dev/vda not initialized in udev database even after waiting 10000000 microseconds. | 14:11 |
| splinterbyte | ... | 14:11 |
| splinterbyte | latest updates installed | 14:11 |
| fsmithred | splinterbyte, are you working in a chroot? | 14:15 |
| splinterbyte | no | 14:15 |
| fsmithred | if so, bind-mount /run/udev to /target/run/udev | 14:15 |
| splinterbyte | yes I found some posts here and there but not my situation | 14:16 |
| splinterbyte | could be this perhaps: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1676612 | 14:17 |
| splinterbyte | lvm related | 14:17 |
| fsmithred | oh yeah, in some cases people mounted /run/lvm or something like that | 14:17 |
| fsmithred | oh yeah, I know a fix | 14:18 |
| fsmithred | edit a few lines in /etc/lvm/lvm.conf so that lvm does not use udev | 14:18 |
| fsmithred | hang on a sec. | 14:18 |
| splinterbyte | I can do that | 14:18 |
| splinterbyte | but earlier I installed a VM from devuan_beowulf_3.0.0_amd64-netinstall.iso and that didn't have that problem | 14:19 |
| splinterbyte | so there seems to be a difference | 14:19 |
| fsmithred | https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?pid=21501#p21501 | 14:21 |
| fsmithred | four lines to change | 14:21 |
| splinterbyte | Unfortunately I don't have that earlier installed VM anymore, so I can't compare | 14:22 |
| fsmithred | I don't know why netinstall would be different. Did you select a mirror with the server iso? | 14:22 |
| splinterbyte | yes | 14:23 |
| splinterbyte | I'll implement the lvm config change | 14:24 |
| fsmithred | if you used the desktop-live iso, the lvm.conf already has those edits | 14:24 |
| fsmithred | minimal-live, also has it | 14:24 |
| splinterbyte | it was devuan_beowulf_3.0.0_amd64-server.iso | 14:26 |
| splinterbyte | from this mirror https://mirror.leaseweb.com/devuan/devuan_beowulf/installer-iso/ | 14:26 |
| fsmithred | whether the problem occurs or not might be random. It seems to be inconsistent. | 14:28 |
| splinterbyte | ok works, thanks ! | 14:31 |
| zatumil | Good to see devuan gitea migration! Sadly, the deb package is not maintained anymore and broken because of missing sources. | 15:25 |
| bnjf | woo, 3.0. gg folks | 16:39 |
| golinux | poster is in Germany | 18:28 |
| golinux | Oops. Ignore . . . | 18:29 |
| kreyren | How do i tell aptitude to install a package from a different origin ? i.e frankenbian with debian and devuan providing same version of xfce4-session where the devuan version is expected | 19:11 |
| debdog | -t | 19:12 |
| kreyren | debdog, ain't an option since the -t is using stable and testing on both debian and devuan | 19:17 |
| kreyren | aldo i guess i could use -t beowulf then? | 19:17 |
| kreyren | didn't work so i've pinned it instead~ | 19:22 |
| kreyren | debdog, thanks though ^-^ | 19:22 |
| Guest73468 | hi | 19:58 |
| Guest73468 | i'll upload an image of gnuinos beowulf with runit as init system: | 19:59 |
| Guest73468 | https://www.gnuinos.org/screenshots/2020-06-12--1591982924_1600x900_scrot.png | 19:59 |
| Guest73468 | i have it working | 19:59 |
| Guest73468 | the menu of openbox is dynamic,and it'll be also multilingual (i'm working on that) | 20:00 |
| Guest73468 | bbl | 20:07 |
| Xelraa | gnu is not unix | 20:56 |
| Xelraa | i mean seriously this gnu project is like a big joke | 20:56 |
| Xelraa | stallman is living on a homeless shelter | 20:56 |
| Xelraa | I hope this gets removed from the net | 20:56 |
| Xelraa | btw this openrc initsystem is partial as I saw for devuan I did a vm install test with openrc as the main init | 20:57 |
| Xelraa | it loads some stuff from that then the rest through the old init system | 20:57 |
| Xelraa | so whats the point really | 20:57 |
| Xelraa | i dont need openrc anyway just tried | 20:57 |
| aitor | who mentioned openrc? | 21:28 |
| Guest35735 | i uploaded it: https://www.gnuinos.org/Beowulf/ | 21:29 |
| Garb0 | Is networkmanager ported yet | 22:22 |
| Garb0 | on ceres | 22:22 |
| bgstack15 | my Ceres system looks ready to start downloading and installing it. | 22:26 |
| fsmithred | Garb0, we don't fork network-manager anymore. Don't need to. | 22:28 |
| bgstack15 | we don't need to, as in it somehow does not have unsightly dependencies in Debian? | 22:29 |
| bgstack15 | color me surprised! | 22:29 |
| Garb0 | fsmithred, wicd and connman are trash but ok | 22:32 |
| fsmithred | you can use network-manager if you want to | 22:34 |
| fsmithred | It might even become the default in chimaera, since wicd is missing. | 22:34 |
| fsmithred | gotta go. bbl. | 22:34 |
| kelsoo1 | Strange how we all consider software in different ways. I've been using wicd for 12 years without issue... Now if we were talking abaut Gnome :-) | 22:36 |
| bgstack15 | yeah, i'm a huge wicd fan. i tested connman in fsmithred's live iso and it was ok | 22:44 |
| MinceR | i prefer wpa_cli, especially now that it doesn't crash all the time | 22:53 |
| sacioz | Hi all , is synaptic causing problems to anyone at all ? | 23:00 |
| sacioz | It is gone out of the window , it seems , | 23:03 |
| sacioz | busy , busy , busy....I see . Ta . | 23:08 |
| EHeM | How much experience with "apparmor" is on this channel? I didn't think I modified syslog-ng's configuration that much, but apparmor certainly doesn't like it. | 23:22 |
| specing | EHeM: I have enough experience to know that it's a total joke | 23:24 |
| specing | That's one week worth of it | 23:24 |
| freem | runit-init is not yet considered a candidate for "init"? | 23:25 |
| specing | EHeM: https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?id=3578 | 23:25 |
| EHeM | Problem I'm running into is syslog-ng appears to be in complain mode and it is producing rather a lot of audits, enough audits for me to worry about how large the system log is getting... | 23:31 |
| EHeM | Notably it is giving messages about accesses to /proc/####/cmdline, /proc/####/loginuid and /proc/####/sessionid; the one I've noticed most is the nameserver process on the machine. | 23:32 |
| EHeM | specing: Installed the "apparmor" package? | 23:33 |
| freem | can't just have logrotate or similar thing setup? | 23:33 |
| EHeM | freem: The correct course with something like this is to get it to *not* produce so many messages, I'm not actually too concerned about it filling up /var, more that it is a *lot* of noise that shouldn't be there. | 23:35 |
| specing | EHeM: read the thing before you accuse me of missing the basics | 23:35 |
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