libera/#devuan/ Monday, 2020-06-22

doubledutchAny tips for reducing number of writes devuan makes?00:24
doubledutchI'm thinking the solution is to find a way to run devuan 100% from RAM00:24
doubledutchThen save to persistidisk on my way out00:24
doubledutchHoping to use mainly on 100+ connected cloud nodes00:24
MinceRnoatime mount option, eliminating swap or reducing swappiness, /tmp on tmpfs maybe00:25
onefangThere are versions of Devuan that run from RAM.  Look for the one s with "live" in the name, or try Refracta.00:30
doubledutchThanks!00:35
doubledutchGreat tips00:35
doubledutchHey MinceR haha you made it over here00:35
doubledutchSeen you in debian rooms since *forever*00:35
MinceR:)00:36
doubledutchGreat to see you00:36
doubledutchEven a very younger me knows the best answers come from jm_ MinceR paultag et al00:37
beanI installed the latest devuan-backports kernel (5.6.14-2~bpo10+1) and the devuan-backports version of firmware-amd-graphics (20190717-2~bpo10+1) and this time the problem started on login, before I even launched a single program.  There were no devuan-backports versions of any of the mesa packages that were installed, as far as I know.01:47
beanbased on .xsession-errors it appears the same thing happened01:47
frabbitwhat luks version comes with beowulf?03:52
frabbit1 or 203:53
fsmithred203:53
frabbitfsmithred: thank u =)03:53
frabbithow to acces initramfs?04:14
frabbit*access04:14
frabbiti can only find problems people have with unwanted boot into it or something...04:15
frabbitrescue mode it cant be04:15
fsmithredwhat?04:16
fsmithredaccess how?04:16
frabbiti mean taht (initramfs) prompt or whatever (i never used that thing)04:17
frabbiti need to downgrade luks04:17
fsmithredis that where you are?04:17
frabbitno04:17
fsmithreddid you do full-disk encryption?04:17
frabbitbut i wanna go there ^_^04:18
frabbityeah i will install beowulf now and make fde again like i did on ascii04:18
fsmithredif /boot is part of the encrypted volume, you must use type 1 for the root partition04:18
frabbiterr... what?04:18
frabbittype 1?04:19
frabbitand yes boot wil be part of the root partition04:19
frabbit*will04:19
fsmithredgrub can't deal with luks type 204:19
frabbityes i know04:19
frabbitthats why i want to downgrade04:19
frabbitand i need to do that in or on (initramfs)04:20
frabbithttps://cryptsetup-team.pages.debian.net/cryptsetup/encrypted-boot.html#downgrading-luks2-to-luks104:20
fsmithredcryptsetup luksFormat --type luks1 <device>04:20
frabbit[...] so you’ll need reboot into a live CD or an initramfs shell[..]04:21
frabbitfsmithred: yes i need to run that command04:22
frabbitfrom intramfs04:22
frabbitelse it will fail04:22
fsmithredI would do it from a live-usb04:22
frabbitwhy?04:22
fsmithredeasier04:22
fsmithredinitramfs shell is pretty limited04:22
fsmithredalso, I don't know how to get there except by having problems04:23
frabbitlive usb contains packages that arent up to date maybe, also it seems easy on initramfs04:23
frabbito_004:23
frabbitwhy theres no information how to get there?04:23
fsmithredhow do you access the initramfs shell?04:23
frabbit..04:24
frabbitthat was my first question! D=04:24
fsmithredI know04:24
frabbitso why do u ask me?04:24
fsmithredI can't think of any time anyone has gotten there because they wanted to be there04:24
frabbitthats.. weird...04:24
frabbitthere must be a way...04:25
fsmithreddevuan live-isos are three weeks old, refracta isos are a couple days old04:29
fsmithredif you have a netinstall iso you can boot that to rescue mode04:29
fsmithredor any of the installer isos04:30
doubledutchWhat are you having an issue booting?04:30
doubledutchHave you tried Super Grub Disk 2        ?  ;D04:30
fsmithredanything other than the luks volume he wants to change04:30
frabbityeah but there where updates, also for some ssl stuf i think (not sure, i forgot) so i wouldnt use live sticks for network stuff like installing packages04:30
fsmithredchroot if you want to install into the system04:31
frabbitthats not https i think04:31
doubledutchFrom what little I've heard - the nuke-it-from-space first take success option may be to get persistent USB distro...04:32
fsmithredyou just need the right version of cryptsetup, and it's already installed04:32
doubledutchso you're running the OS from USB just looking at your system04:32
doubledutchOh I see about packaging carry on04:32
doubledutchI got kicked from the internet because I idled too long at another place ":(04:32
fsmithredapt-transport-https is not installed in the live isos, so you'd have to get that over http04:32
frabbitfsmithred: man... sure i can just use asci 2.1 live stick04:32
fsmithredisn't that an older version of cryptsetup?04:33
frabbiti always have the newest version of apt-transport-https openssl and ca-certificates in my local repo04:33
fsmithredwell,that shouldn't matter if you chroot04:33
frabbiti have still ascii 2.1 here and there is luks 104:34
frabbitand im sure i didnt downgrade that04:34
frabbit(i would remember that procedere)04:34
fsmithredyeah, I would not operate on the beowufl with that04:34
frabbitoperate with what?04:35
fsmithredwith ascii cyptsetup04:35
frabbithuh? but i need that04:35
fsmithredit probably can't even do it04:35
fsmithredhow can the old cryptsetup handle the new format?04:35
frabbitwait04:36
frabbiti dont understand that04:36
frabbitin beowulf theres luks 2 u said right?04:36
frabbitbut for grub + fde i need version 104:37
frabbitin ascii is version 104:37
fsmithredyeah, and you said you used luks2 format in your system and you want to downgrade it04:37
fsmithredno, you don't need the old version04:37
fsmithredyou need to use the old format04:37
fsmithredI gave you the command04:37
frabbiti didnt used anything since now, cause i want to do the install of beowulf soon, didnt do it already cause i need to figure this luks issue out first04:38
fsmithredoh04:38
fsmithredif you want xfce, just install from the desktop-live and put everything in one partition.04:39
frabbitnah the cryptsetup webpage gave me that command ;) and they say that this will fail when running it in an open luks container04:39
fsmithredthen you don't have to screw with those instructions04:39
frabbitwhat? hell no i dont want xfce04:39
fsmithredlol, ok04:39
frabbiti didnt use any de for years04:39
frabbit=D04:39
frabbit(except configure that thing for others)04:40
fsmithredanyway, the live installer knows how to do full-disk encryptiong04:40
fsmithredbut you'd need to make your own live-iso that has what you want04:40
frabbitnah i will use the desktop iso and the fde libreboot offers04:40
fsmithredby the time you do that, you could already have what you want04:40
frabbiti never install over network04:41
frabbitfsmithred: but u confused me now, u said that luks 1 maybe wont work04:42
fsmithredno I did not say that04:42
frabbitso why libreboot and cryptsetup write that u need to downgrade when using fde?04:42
fsmithredfor full-disk encryption, you must use luks type 1 format04:42
frabbityes04:42
fsmithredI guess they assume that you will create a luks type2 when you do the initial install04:43
fsmithreddoes the debian installer not let you select the luks format type?04:43
frabbityes and i will when using luks via beowulf installer?04:43
frabbiti dont know04:43
frabbitive never looked for something like that before04:44
fsmithredyou going to be installing a system like this more than once?04:44
frabbityes04:44
fsmithredmake your own live iso04:44
frabbitbut i just used the default luks that is offered by the installer04:44
frabbit*settings04:44
fsmithredok, then you get to convert it afterward04:45
fsmithredevery fucking time04:45
fsmithredinstall what you want in a VM04:45
frabbitlol04:45
fsmithredinstall refractasnapshot and refractainstaller04:45
frabbitvm on what monster pc?04:45
fsmithredrun refractasnaptshot04:45
fsmithredput the iso on a usb stick04:45
fsmithredrun refractainstaller to install it to hard drive (all into one encrypted partition)04:46
fsmithredreboot04:46
fsmithreddone04:46
frabbito_0 man all that is a mess, i can just do the downgrade on the initramfs (if i would know how to access that thing...)04:46
fsmithredlol04:46
frabbithttps://cryptsetup-team.pages.debian.net/cryptsetup/encrypted-boot.html#downgrading-luks2-to-luks104:46
frabbit6 commands!04:47
onefangDo you mean "access the initramfs shell at boot time", or "change stuff an the initramfs file system"?04:47
fsmithredaccess the shell to use it04:47
fsmithredto change the luks header04:47
frabbitonefang: boottime probably, cause the encrypted disk should not be open04:47
fsmithredjust use the rescue shell from the installer04:48
frabbit...04:48
frabbitand there i get an initramfs shell?04:48
fsmithreda beowulf installer04:48
fsmithredash or dash, but you can get bash if you want04:49
frabbitwhy didnt u tell me that before?!04:49
fsmithredI did tell you04:49
frabbit35 minutes for the answer?04:49
frabbitno04:49
frabbitu said i should use a live stick, or make bootstrap, or create my own refractar foobar and so on....04:50
fsmithred<fsmithred> if you have a netinstall iso you can boot that to rescue mode04:50
fsmithred<fsmithred> or any of the installer isos04:50
frabbitthx anyway... i will try that now04:50
fsmithredtwenty minutes ago04:50
frabbitx)04:50
frabbitif i use the offline iso, it will downgrade it luks using the pool inside the iso correct?04:52
frabbit-it04:52
fsmithredyeah, use a beowulf iso04:53
frabbitok thank u! =)04:53
frabbitbaby will be born soon hopefully x)04:53
fsmithredif you're connected to the internet, it might pull stuff in04:53
frabbithealthy baby of course04:53
fsmithredcongrats!04:53
frabbit=D04:54
frabbitok will install now beowulf and try that downgrade from iso04:54
frabbitoh wait!04:54
frabbitcan i already downgrade it rigth after installing grub?04:55
frabbit*right04:55
fsmithredset up the encryption manually and you can probably select the format04:55
frabbitfsmithred: yeah i will first look for that04:55
frabbitbut if not04:55
golinuxJessie Smith's Beowulf review: https://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20200622#devuan05:19
yetiwill I regret looking at it?05:57
beanyI've gone by the name yeti before and never seen anyone else do so so this is surrela06:01
beanysurreal*06:01
hemimaniacwell he wears it well, cuter and fluffier06:02
* yeti is named yeti since the mid 70s in RL long before I entered the nets06:04
yetisome in RL dont even know my legal name06:04
yetiso meanwhile it isnt just a nick any more06:04
beanynice06:07
systemdletesomeone should update the description of devuan on distrowatch -- it does not mention beowulf10:32
kreyrenHow do i fix this on devuan? http://ix.io/2pRK14:29
gnarfaceuse paste.debian.net and i'll look at it14:30
kreyrenmean~14:30
kreyrenhttps://paste.debian.net/1153312/14:31
kreyrengnarface, ^14:32
gnarfacekreyren: basic version mismatch, this is on beowulf?14:33
kreyrengnarface, chimaera14:33
gnarfacekreyren: i think version mismatch, maybe missing package14:33
gnarfacekreyren: is that the steam version, you're trying to launch without steam?14:33
kreyrenhttps://paste.debian.net/1153314/ installed versions14:33
kreyrengnarface, nah it's standalone14:34
kreyrenDRM free14:34
gnarfacewell steam has some drm free stuff, that still expects certain libs which you'd need to install on your system if you weren't using bundled steam ones...14:34
gnarfacei was just checking to make sure this isn't a case like that14:35
kreyrencould be this is a torrent version14:35
kreyren(i own the game but can't be bothered to use steam)14:35
gnarfacealso, steam needs the 32-bit versions of a bunch of things too14:35
gnarface(as do many of the games on there)14:35
kreyrenO.o14:36
gnarfaceyea14:36
kreyrenSo what do you recommend?14:36
* gnarface shrugs 14:36
gnarfaceit works for me on ceres14:36
kreyrenah wait i think the shell script from upstream is wrong14:36
kreyrensec14:36
gnarfacegreat game too14:37
kreyrenno the worst that final boss is going to make me break something14:37
gnarfaceso, the real trick is learning to maximize your room hit counts with beam weaponry, but that's offtopic14:38
kreyrenSPOILERS14:40
gnarfaceheh14:40
kreyrennah the script is working.. by miracle but works14:42
* kreyren going to use winehq version then -.-14:47
search_socialHello, I am using vttys and when the os wants to print something to console it prints it to whichever vtty I have open. I would like for it to print only to vtty1. I don't see a way to do this is rsyslog.conf and other resources I find on this are for systemd.19:16
phoggsearch_social: what does your config look like? I don't do this but I believe you should just have to specify the tty, e.g. /dev/tty119:23
search_socialphogg: rsyslog.conf? It's the default from devuan beowulf 3.0.0 fresh install, it doesn't seem to have anything about dev or tty or console in it19:24
phoggsearch_social: are you talking about .emerg messages?19:32
search_socialit claims those are sent to all logged in uesrs but i have a root terminal on vtty3 which doesn't receive them when i'm switched to root on vtty219:33
phoggsearch_social: I'm not sure, but if I were you I'd try changing the location on that one to a tty device and just see what happens.19:34
search_socialokay i changed that to send it only to a user and restarted rsyslogd but it still sent it to the root terminal i had active and nothing else19:38
search_socialokay "setlogcons 1" on the shell appears to do what i want19:49
armindevuan.org down? www.devuan.org works.21:04
arminah now devuan.org is working again, nevermind.21:05
Atari-Froscharmin: If you are not sure – ask this website: https://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/ :-)21:08
arminDevuan.org Status21:09
arminIs devuan.org down right now?21:09
arminIt's not just you! devuan.org is down.21:09
arminAtari-Frosch: hah! :D21:09
fsmithredOK, so it's you and at least one other person, but not me: https://devuan.org/21:10
arminAtari-Frosch: also hi, i remember talking to you 6 or 7 years ago at RZL about debian.21:10
Atari-Froscharmin: possible. I have a poor memory for people.21:10
arminyeah it worked here several times and several times didn't.21:10
arminok not able to reproduce anymore, downforeveryoneorjustme properly shows green all the time now. weird.21:12
Atari-FroschIn German we say: Blinkeranbindung. ;-)21:13
divansantanaanyone else have pulseaudio issues on devuan beowulf?21:23
divansantanaSeems pulseaudio always gives me trouble on one system or another. Here in beowulf upgrade in kde desktop opening chrome playing audio doesn't work. pavucontrol shows "connecting". It seems like doing a pulseaudio --start on user login would help.21:24
divansantanaSuppose I could do that with some kde autostart thing.21:24
golinuxdivansantana: Have you read the release notes?  Seems like very few do . . .21:29
golinuxhttp://files.devuan.org/devuan_beowulf/Release_notes.txt21:29
divansantanacrap.21:30
divansantanaI did up to the point of upgrade te beowulf. I even briefly saw that pulseaudio bit, but completely forgot about it.21:30
divansantanalet me check, sorry.21:30
golinuxI apologize for the attitude if it's something else . . .21:31
divansantanagolinux:no worry at all. Completely understand. Problem sorted. I should have thought to check that.21:34
golinuxWell, you have plenty of company . . . LOL!  Enjoy your new beowulf!21:35
divansantanagolinux: So happy beowulf is out.  Glad for this important project.  Wife's desktop done.  I still need to upgrade my server, but that has lvm cache and ssds.  Should go ok though.21:45

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