| BookWyrm | looks like nobody ever talks here... | 00:12 |
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| BookWyrm | OMG WTF SPPOOOONNNNNN | 00:14 |
| BookWyrm | l.a.m.e. | 00:15 |
| RhineDevil | rrq, I would like to register on devuan git and push my projects online, should I register on gitea.devuan.org? How's the migration from devuan gitlab going? | 09:29 |
| rrq | yes you should register and then use the + to migrate from gitlab. All "devuan" projects have been migrated and some (most?) users have migrated their packages. | 10:33 |
| rrq | we hope everyone will have completed their migration by 5 July | 10:34 |
| rrq | the gitlab server wil be shutdown but we'll keep it as is for a while just in case someone suddenly realizes they forgot something | 10:35 |
| RhineDevil | rrq, I haven't any project in gitlab, but thx | 10:47 |
| tnut | Hi | 13:14 |
| parazyd | https://twitter.com/maemoleste/status/1275812354752733185 | 17:34 |
| parazyd | Just in case anyone's wondering what I'm up to :p | 17:34 |
| lifestronaut | How much support is there for OpenRC in devuan? For example - does every package that needs a service have one for openrc as well as sysvinit? | 17:35 |
| fsmithred | lifestronaut, I'm pretty sure the answer is no. The default setup is for openrc to use sysvinit scripts | 17:40 |
| MinceR | this time it took not 6 but 9 clicks of "Try Again", and it still has a bar at the bottom saying "Your account may not be allowed to perform this action" (i'm not logged in) | 17:41 |
| MinceR | twatter is a ruin | 17:41 |
| fsmithred | check the forum for community support. There are people using openrc and writing about it. | 17:41 |
| brocashelm | it's amazing how versatile devuan is with init choices. so glad this distro exists. it keeps getting better and better in the 2 years i've followed it | 17:41 |
| MinceR | nice to see pinephone support is progressing | 17:42 |
| parazyd | lifestronaut: It works with existing sysv initscripts transparently. So you can use both. | 17:49 |
| tedious | parazyd: So can you just do an apt-get install openrc and it just works? | 17:56 |
| parazyd | tedious: Yes, and after that you must reboot. apt will tell you the command after you install. | 17:56 |
| tedious | I'm having a problem with booting up and I thought I could fix it with openrc but now the system is trashed. | 17:57 |
| tedious | I can't even get it to boot single user. | 17:57 |
| parazyd | Well you can always fix it with init=/bin/bash | 17:57 |
| parazyd | Or just boot a Devuan Livecd and work from there. | 17:57 |
| tedious | I have no idea how to fix it tho. | 17:58 |
| fsmithred | what does it do? How far do you get? | 17:58 |
| tedious | It's a zfs root system and it hangs after bringing up the network and doesn't tell me what's wrong. | 17:58 |
| parazyd | Any errors you see are a good pointer :) | 17:58 |
| tedious | No errors. | 17:58 |
| tedious | It just hangs forever. | 17:58 |
| fsmithred | after bringing up network or during bringing up network? | 17:59 |
| fsmithred | and did you try ctrl-c at that point? | 17:59 |
| tedious | I thought maybe it was a /dev/random problem so I let it wait over night. | 17:59 |
| tedious | Yeah none of those things work. | 17:59 |
| tedious | All I can do is hit enter and make the screen scroll. | 17:59 |
| tedious | ^C just shows up on the terminal. | 18:00 |
| parazyd | So probably your ttys aren't spawning for some reason | 18:02 |
| parazyd | Boot a livecd, and check /etc/inittab, and maybe disable stuff in /etc/network | 18:02 |
| fsmithred | does the livecd need to have some zfs stuff installed? | 18:03 |
| parazyd | Surely they can apt-get it | 18:04 |
| fsmithred | zfsutils-linux I guess | 18:05 |
| fsmithred | I know it's not in the desktop-live. Would have to check minimal-live. | 18:05 |
| tedious | I'm using other live cds that have zfs and I can chroot into /mnt. | 18:05 |
| tedious | I edited all the init scripts and put set -x into them so I can see that the boot hangs in the network script. | 18:06 |
| fsmithred | cool | 18:06 |
| fsmithred | it's not in the minimal-live | 18:06 |
| fsmithred | should I change that? | 18:06 |
| tedious | It runs ifup -a and brings up eth0 with dhcp but then it just hangs. | 18:06 |
| tedious | fsmithred: If you could put zfs in the live stuff and the installer it would be amazing. :) | 18:07 |
| fsmithred | can you ssh in? | 18:07 |
| tedious | No it hangs before finishing the network script so nothing else starts. | 18:07 |
| tedious | That's why I wanted to install openrc and was hoping that would at least let me run parallel mode and get other services running. | 18:08 |
| fsmithred | I don't have any other ideas. Very little experience with openrc and none with zfs. | 18:13 |
| parazyd | Just have a look at the inittab | 18:15 |
| parazyd | Maybe you're not spawning ttys | 18:16 |
| tedious | I didn't touch inittab so it's still stock. | 18:19 |
| tedious | I think there's a bug in the network scripts. | 18:19 |
| fsmithred | you have 'allow-hotplug' in /etc/network/interfaces? | 18:23 |
| fsmithred | if so, try changing it to 'auto' | 18:24 |
| fsmithred | or manual if you prefer | 18:24 |
| fsmithred | or take a look at this: https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?pid=15493#p15493 | 18:28 |
| tedious | No it's just auto. | 18:28 |
| fsmithred | ok, so that patch won't help | 18:28 |
| tedious | I just don't understand why that script would hang after it brings up the interface. | 18:32 |
| fsmithred | are you sure it | 18:32 |
| fsmithred | it's not the next script not starting? | 18:32 |
| tedious | Nope I put "starting $0" at the top of every init script. | 18:33 |
| tedious | Right before set -x. | 18:33 |
| tedious | And it gives me the output for accepting the dhcp address on console. | 18:34 |
| tedious | What does ifup -a do? | 18:35 |
| fsmithred | starts all interfaces configured in the interfaces file, I think | 18:35 |
| tedious | Could it be seeing my wifi card even tho I don't have anything besides eth0 in /etc/network/interfaces.d? | 18:35 |
| fsmithred | no, but a network manager might try | 18:36 |
| fsmithred | n-m, wicd, connman... | 18:36 |
| tedious | I don't think I installed any of those. | 18:43 |
| tedious | Does xfce install one? | 18:43 |
| tedious | I wonder if it's running the nfs script in /etc/network/if-up.d/. | 18:44 |
| fsmithred | yeah, xfce installs wicd | 18:45 |
| fsmithred | maybe set -x that script to see if it's getting confused reading fstab | 18:47 |
| tedious | I just tried to install openrc and apt wanted to remove zfs-initramfs zfsutils-linux zfs-zed and sysv-rc. | 18:51 |
| tedious | So I think devuan is just broken with zfs. | 18:51 |
| tedious | I'm going to get rid of the nsf script and see if that fixes anything. | 18:52 |
| tedious | ^nfs | 18:55 |
| engidea | devuan 3.0 is very good: one small issue, when using KDE is that pulseaudio --start is missing in some statup script | 20:02 |
| engidea | once the command is given, audio works flawlessly, beautiful | 20:02 |
| fsmithred | engidea, did you set PA to autospawn in the config file? | 20:11 |
| fsmithred | https://files.devuan.org/devuan_beowulf/Release_notes.txt | 20:12 |
| engidea | Ahhhh, thanks fsmithred !!!! | 20:27 |
| tedious | fsmithred: Getting rid of the nfs mount script fixed the boot problem. | 20:54 |
| tedious | Now it boots but it doesn't mount /root or some of the other zfs filesystems. | 20:54 |
| fsmithred | tedious, can you tell if any kernel modules did not get loaded? | 20:55 |
| fsmithred | lsmod | wc -l | 20:55 |
| tedious | I didn't check. | 20:55 |
| fsmithred | lsmod |grep snd | 20:55 |
| tedious | Half of the zfs filesystems do get mounted. | 20:55 |
| fsmithred | is fstab correct? | 20:56 |
| tedious | Yes because it only contains /boot. | 20:56 |
| fsmithred | ok, I'm lost | 20:56 |
| tedious | The system is supposed to do zfs mount -a when it comes up. | 20:56 |
| tedious | Every filesystem that has a mountpoint=/something and isn't set canmount=off or canmount=noauto is supposed to get mounted. | 20:57 |
| tedious | So I was right about devuan hates zfs. :) | 20:58 |
| tedious | Or is just broken I think is what I said. | 20:58 |
| fsmithred | pretty sure we don't do anything with zfs packages | 21:00 |
| tedious | I guess that's why I can't install openrc without it uninstalling a bunch of zfs packages. | 21:10 |
| tedious | If I can figure out what's causing all this mess how hard is it for you to fix it? | 21:11 |
| tedious | Can you push a tiny script change into beowulf-backports or do you have to go thru upstream? | 21:12 |
| fsmithred | we can change packages that we fork. We don't fork any zfs packages. | 21:14 |
| tedious | Ok I guess I'll have to either come up with my own fixes or just abandon devuan. | 21:15 |
| tedious | I guess maybe I can make my own script for zfs mount -a and put it at /etc/rcS.d/S05mount_my_damn_filesystems. | 21:19 |
| openbsdtai123 | Hi, would you know a small fbdev desktop for retropie, that would run on FBDEV only? | 21:20 |
| openbsdtai123 | like amiga workbend on fbdev? | 21:20 |
| tedious | fsmithred: I think I fixed the boot problem. | 22:15 |
| fsmithred | can you document it somewhere in case someone else has the same problem? | 22:16 |
| tedious | The S02zfs-mount script was missing from rcS.d and rc1.d for some reason. | 22:16 |
| tedious | I can't do jack until I get this system working better lol. :) | 22:16 |
| RhineDevil | rrq, Just registered, however my gravatar profile doesn't get synced with devuan, is this the default behaviour? | 22:40 |
| RhineDevil | *devuan gitea | 22:43 |
| tedious | fsmithred: Tiny update .. something writes to /root/.cache after /root gets unmounted during shutdown. | 22:47 |
| tedious | So zfs refuses to remount /root later because it's not empty. | 22:48 |
| tedious | I'm just killing it and mounting it by hand right now but maybe I'll figure it out later and make a proper solution. | 22:49 |
| RhineDevil | Where should I ask for approvation about a devuan team? | 23:27 |
| tom_ | Does Beowulf support NTtables? or only IPtables? | 23:32 |
| tom_ | *NFtables | 23:33 |
| buZz | > nftables is the default and recommended firewalling framework in Debian, and it replaces the old iptables (and related) tools. | 23:37 |
| buZz | you can just use iptables tool though, there's a iptables-nft layer that translates it | 23:38 |
| tom_ | ok | 23:39 |
| tom_ | is there any difference for writing firewall rules for aliased interfaces? | 23:39 |
| buZz | https://wiki.debian.org/nftables | 23:39 |
| golinux | RhineDevil: om | 23:39 |
| RhineDevil | golinux, henlo | 23:39 |
| tom_ | alias interfaces vs physical interfaces | 23:39 |
| buZz | i dont think so tom_ | 23:39 |
| buZz | should be the same as iptables | 23:40 |
| golinux | Let's do a pm | 23:40 |
| tom_ | do I need to specify eth0:1 or just eth0 | 23:40 |
| golinux | I have a channel open | 23:40 |
| golinux | Sorry for the typo above. | 23:41 |
| buZz | tom_: for eth0:1 specify eth0:1 | 23:41 |
| golinux | RhineDevil: Can you join me there please? | 23:41 |
| buZz | the traffic for eth0:1 doesnt appear on eth0, unless its in the same subnet, i -think- | 23:41 |
| RhineDevil | golinux, where | 23:41 |
| tom_ | ok thanks | 23:45 |
| tom_ | what replaces ip sets in nftables? | 23:51 |
| tom_ | say I have a set up trusted_remotes, and a list of internal cluster nodes and a list of bad guys | 23:51 |
| tom_ | how would I use that in the new nftables? | 23:51 |
| tom_ | Does IST and SST use UDP or TCP? | 23:54 |
| buZz | tom_: you can just keep using iptables | 23:55 |
| buZz | it will use nftables underwater | 23:55 |
| tom_ | I'm writing rules now for a new distributed database cluster so might as well upgrade now | 23:56 |
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