| Weeezy | is there a gui for the network mail system? | 00:54 |
|---|---|---|
| mason | Weeezy: Thunderbird? | 01:11 |
| Weeezy | hmm. | 01:14 |
| Weeezy | I'm not sure if that will handle it or not. | 01:14 |
| nemo | wonder what he meant by that | 01:30 |
| hemimaniac | fsmithred: Just an update from yesterday's attempt at a full upgrade from beowulf to chimera, No Dice, I wound up with more breakage then the 'Gallictica' on it's final jump | 02:36 |
| hemimaniac | it was an awesome sight to behold | 02:36 |
| odbw | sucks to hear hemi | 03:48 |
| odbw | hemimaniac, | 03:48 |
| user1_ | quit() | 04:47 |
| gnarface | Weeezy: are you trying to access mail or are you trying to configure the mail system? | 05:30 |
| kreyren | referencing https://github.com/Kreyren/kreyren/issues/26 -- What is the non-pottering replacement for elogind-daemon? | 12:39 |
| gnarface | isn't it just elogind? | 12:41 |
| gnarface | i thought elogind was the replacement for systemd-logind | 12:41 |
| kreyren | dunno sounds potteringish to me | 12:47 |
| kreyren | gnarface, | 12:47 |
| gnarface | maybe see what the docs say first before you get too paranoid? | 12:50 |
| kreyren | That would be too rational for my pottering ptsd | 12:52 |
| kreyren | but a good idea | 12:52 |
| kreyren | https://i.imgur.com/Pa9PCRp.png | 12:53 |
| kreyren | aaaaaaaaaaaaaaa | 12:53 |
| onefang | PTSD, Pottering Takes Strange Drugs? | 12:53 |
| kreyren | onefang, he's on whole another level of drugs | 12:53 |
| kreyren | gnarface, see my pottering senses are on point today! :p | 12:55 |
| MinceR | the replacement for elogind is simply not running crap like elogind or consolekit and starting x with startx | 13:10 |
| gnarface | that's true, you don't actually need it if you don't use a graphical login prompt | 13:17 |
| MinceR | or you can use xdm on OpenBSD | 13:17 |
| phogg | do login managers actually depend on logind now? I thought it was just some DEs. | 13:35 |
| phogg | s/login/display/ | 13:35 |
| gnarface | i don't know if they all do | 13:39 |
| gnarface | the popular ones do | 13:39 |
| wikan | hi | 15:33 |
| wikan | is it possible to install devuan on UEFI computer? | 15:33 |
| wikan | from usb | 15:33 |
| wikan | uefi is cosmos for me yet | 15:33 |
| wikan | as i see i cant boot any 32bit usb... installed mint 64bit | 15:34 |
| wikan | but it is too heavy :| | 15:34 |
| gnarface | wikan: it should work but you might have to disable secure boot or add a key or something like that | 15:41 |
| gnarface | wikan: did you try it? | 15:42 |
| gnarface | wikan: there is a live image too | 15:43 |
| wikan | i don't know what i am doing | 15:44 |
| wikan | i have never used uefi before | 15:44 |
| wikan | not sure if I can use 32bit image | 15:44 |
| wikan | not sure why most images do not work | 15:45 |
| gnarface | which image did you try? | 15:46 |
| gnarface | and how did you get it onto the usb key? | 15:46 |
| wikan | exactly now i am trying i386 desktop | 15:46 |
| wikan | before debian netinstall 32bit | 15:46 |
| gnarface | the link | 15:46 |
| gnarface | i need you to show me the exact link to the image you downloaded | 15:47 |
| wikan | https://sledjhamr.org/devuan-cd/devuan_beowulf/desktop-live/ i386 one | 15:47 |
| gnarface | also, fyi you almost certainly want a amd64 one, not a i386 one | 15:47 |
| gnarface | both should work but you probably want the amd64 one, most computers are that one these days | 15:48 |
| wikan | what is a reason for 64bit btw | 15:48 |
| gnarface | the cpu can do more work per clock cycle, and it can sill run 32-bit code so you lose nothing | 15:48 |
| wikan | well i have not enought of memory for 64bit in my opinion. this laptop is not new | 15:48 |
| gnarface | just use zram swap it's like magic | 15:49 |
| gnarface | you got what, 2GB? | 15:49 |
| wikan | probably | 15:49 |
| gnarface | if you have like 128MB of ram maybe i'd question it, but no, trust me on this one | 15:49 |
| gnarface | the horsepower with 64-bit is no comparison and you can still run 32-bit code with multiarch | 15:50 |
| gnarface | it's literally the thing these machines were designed to do | 15:50 |
| wikan | ok, i will write 64bit | 15:50 |
| gnarface | ok, second, what command are you using to write it? | 15:50 |
| wikan | i just use dd | 15:50 |
| gnarface | show me the exact dd command | 15:50 |
| wikan | just dd if=iso of=/dev/sdb | 15:51 |
| wikan | i always do this way | 15:51 |
| gnarface | should work if you did it exactly that way | 15:51 |
| gnarface | make sure you run "sync" afterwards though | 15:51 |
| gnarface | just to be sure | 15:51 |
| wikan | i don't understand why i have Android-IA in UEFI boot :| | 15:52 |
| gnarface | what? | 15:52 |
| gnarface | no idea | 15:52 |
| wikan | i am trying to choose boot proporties | 15:52 |
| gnarface | well make that one last | 15:52 |
| gnarface | unless it is your USB key, in which case i'd say something went wrong critically with your formatting processs... | 15:53 |
| wikan | and I have "ubuntu" (it is mint) and Androing (i never installed it) but Android is build in because I have seen Androing options in UEFI | 15:53 |
| gnarface | seems weird but not impossible, i don't know | 15:53 |
| wikan | can you explain me "sync"? | 15:53 |
| gnarface | commit pending cached disk writes | 15:54 |
| gnarface | (flush write-back cache) | 15:54 |
| gnarface | if that was what was sabotaging your earlier attempts, you'll notice a very long pause after running "sync," otherwise it will do nothing | 15:54 |
| wikan | ok but what the command exactly is? "sync"? | 15:55 |
| gnarface | literally | 15:55 |
| wikan | hmmm ok | 15:55 |
| gnarface | run it as root | 15:55 |
| wikan | need 7 minutes | 15:55 |
| wikan | writing amd64 image yet | 15:55 |
| gnarface | ok | 15:55 |
| wikan | it will take time | 15:55 |
| wikan | usb 2.0 | 15:55 |
| gnarface | how big is the USB key? | 15:55 |
| wikan | about 8gb | 15:56 |
| gnarface | hmmm. that could be the issue | 15:56 |
| wikan | why? | 15:56 |
| gnarface | some early era core2duo dells notably had issue booting with any usb or sd cards larger than 2GB, regardless of the actual boot partition size | 15:56 |
| wikan | by "key" you mean "stick" right? | 15:56 |
| gnarface | it was a bios limitation | 15:56 |
| gnarface | yes, by key i mean stick in this case, sorry | 15:57 |
| wikan | i don't have anything smaller than 8gb :D | 15:57 |
| gnarface | this machine you have, is it perchance a dell inspiron 530? | 15:57 |
| wikan | i have even tried to buy something but the smallest one was 16GB | 15:57 |
| wikan | no... the machine is kiano | 15:57 |
| gnarface | oh | 15:58 |
| gnarface | well i don't know then | 15:58 |
| wikan | my mon bought it from second hand | 15:58 |
| gnarface | but if wost comes to worst, try booting from optical disk | 15:58 |
| gnarface | some of the early core2duo systems had a 2gb physical barrier on flash boot devices | 15:58 |
| wikan | i installed mint from usb on my mom computer | 15:58 |
| wikan | so it is not a problem i guess | 15:59 |
| gnarface | oh, right. well that should not be the problem then, yea. | 15:59 |
| wikan | i use debian and devuan on my laptops. 3.8 and 1.9 GB of ram | 15:59 |
| gnarface | the image may take a long time to actually read the initial kernel image from the usb stick though, so if you just get to a black screen after POST, maybe just wait longer | 16:00 |
| wikan | devuan is amazing | 16:00 |
| wikan | well this kiano laptop has problems to load kernel from ssd fast too | 16:00 |
| wikan | displays POST message and hungs for 10 seconds | 16:01 |
| wikan | can't figure out what it is doing in this time | 16:01 |
| wikan | tried to turn off everything I tought may be a reason | 16:01 |
| wikan | now, mint is booting faster than UEFi loads a bootloader | 16:02 |
| gnarface | so, you should know, it might be relevant... on that dell i was talking about... it ALSO took over 60 seconds to boot from flash if the stick was less than 2GB and only lilo would work ... lilo worked and you could tell because it showed a progress meter. grub wouldn't work and also would not show progress, so you couldn't tell the black screen from a hang/crash/freeze | 16:02 |
| wikan | well, maybe it is a grub | 16:03 |
| gnarface | so yea, another thing that sometimes is worth it is try lilo, because at least then you have a progress meter so you know if it tried | 16:03 |
| wikan | love lilo | 16:03 |
| gnarface | and i wouldn't necessarily consider 10 seconds enough time to wait to be sure it wasn't gonna boot | 16:03 |
| wikan | but i am too nobie for lilo + uefi | 16:04 |
| gnarface | well every vendor's bioses are different in the levels of restriction | 16:04 |
| wikan | ye ye ye ye ye ye | 16:05 |
| wikan | devuan installed booted | 16:05 |
| wikan | yeyeye | 16:05 |
| wikan | 64 bit | 16:05 |
| wikan | and now... drivers nightmare :D | 16:05 |
| wikan | bootking (-_-)..zzZZ | 16:06 |
| wikan | wow, wifi is working | 16:11 |
| wikan | thanks :) | 16:12 |
| wikan | can I use text mode install for live cd? | 16:19 |
| gnarface | wikan: no, the live cd uses/is (not clear on the distinction) refracta. it basically just clones the live image as-is to your hdd, i think. | 16:21 |
| gnarface | wikan: but if you could boot that one, you should have no problem booting the netinstall iso | 16:21 |
| gnarface | wikan: (which does have text mode) | 16:22 |
| gnarface | wikan: (and expert mode) | 16:22 |
| wikan | netinstall doesn't provide network for this laptop | 16:22 |
| wikan | never mind | 16:24 |
| wikan | copy is ok | 16:24 |
| gnarface | wikan: i think the netinstall should now if the live image did, but i guess i don't know for sure | 16:24 |
| gnarface | wikan: if not, it's most likely just missing firmware | 16:25 |
| fsmithred | wikan there is a cli installer in the live isos. Run 'refractainstaller' as root (or sudo) | 16:29 |
| fsmithred | what network hardware do you have? | 16:29 |
| wikan | fsmithred: dunno yet | 16:30 |
| fsmithred | if you can boot, lspci will show you | 16:30 |
| fsmithred | live isos have most wireless firmware installed already. Exceptions are some of the broadcoms. | 16:31 |
| wikan | will try refractainstaller first | 16:32 |
| wikan | i have never seen mmcblk devices before | 16:33 |
| fsmithred | oh | 16:33 |
| fsmithred | you have that? | 16:33 |
| wikan | it is storage | 16:33 |
| fsmithred | yes, I know | 16:33 |
| wikan | one mmcblk and one sda | 16:33 |
| fsmithred | if you use the cli installer, you will be typing in the partition(s) you use | 16:34 |
| wikan | well sdb (sda is usb dunno why) | 16:34 |
| fsmithred | your motherboard says so | 16:34 |
| fsmithred | use uuid in fstab when it asks | 16:37 |
| wikan | almost commited suiside :| | 16:39 |
| wikan | i forgot to backup my moms game saves | 16:39 |
| fsmithred | yikes! | 16:40 |
| fsmithred | hey, before you hit the GO button, let me warn you | 16:41 |
| fsmithred | the installer will format the chosen partitions by default | 16:41 |
| fsmithred | do don't choose a partition that has any data on it | 16:41 |
| wikan | i know :) | 16:41 |
| fsmithred | or else edit the config file, and we need to talk | 16:41 |
| fsmithred | ok | 16:41 |
| wikan | i don't know where saves are written | 16:42 |
| fsmithred | which saves do you mean? | 16:43 |
| wikan | of games | 16:43 |
| wikan | i found stats only | 16:43 |
| fsmithred | probably in user's .config/ | 16:43 |
| fsmithred | or maybe in a dot dir that has the name of the game | 16:44 |
| wikan | this is what sucks under linux | 16:46 |
| fsmithred | what game? | 16:46 |
| wikan | config files | 16:47 |
| wikan | so many places to keep it | 16:47 |
| wikan | i have to strace app to find where from it is reading | 16:47 |
| fsmithred | goober might know | 16:47 |
| wikan | i have found file in .local/share/katomic. Good I didn't backup it because it is not place where saves are written :| | 16:48 |
| fsmithred | oh! | 16:49 |
| fsmithred | gnome-games are there, too | 16:49 |
| wikan | probably some games use kde databases | 16:50 |
| wikan | and have fun now | 16:50 |
| fsmithred | got a place to save the entire home directory? | 16:50 |
| wikan | samochodzik | 16:50 |
| wikan | :| | 16:50 |
| wikan | yea I have | 16:51 |
| wikan | but not sure | 16:51 |
| wikan | i will wate until my mom get bored of this game :D | 16:51 |
| wikan | wait | 16:51 |
| wikan | now i will try to configure mint better | 16:52 |
| fsmithred | good luck with that. I've been playing freecell for over 20 years | 16:53 |
| wikan | well she has 56 level in katomic... | 16:53 |
| fsmithred | is that good? | 16:54 |
| wikan | google it | 16:54 |
| wikan | i did 2 levels and had enought | 16:54 |
| fsmithred | she makes more complex molecules? | 16:56 |
| wikan | she like this game | 16:57 |
| klaus | hi folks | 20:05 |
| klaus | what is the devuan package that provides /usr/share/kbd/keymaps/* ? | 20:05 |
| klaus | tty keymaps | 20:05 |
| odbw | klaus have you tried apt-file? | 20:27 |
| smpl | or dpkg -S | 20:28 |
| odbw | yeah i use fish to remember specific -* its quicker than the man page | 20:30 |
| odbw | i forget parameters/options all the time | 20:30 |
| Akuli | there's also 'manly', a script that a friend wrote | 20:31 |
| Akuli | $ manly dpkg -S | 20:31 |
| Akuli | finds relevant part of man page | 20:31 |
| odbw | is that in debian/devuan repos? | 20:31 |
| Akuli | probably not, but it only depends on python's standard library (and if you want to install it easily, python's package manager) | 20:32 |
| odbw | https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/manly-git repology.org only shows this | 20:32 |
| Akuli | $ python3 -m pip install manly | 20:32 |
| odbw | pip | 20:32 |
| Akuli | hmm | 20:33 |
| Akuli | 'manly dpkg -S' out of all the commands i've tried doesn't actually work, lol | 20:33 |
| Akuli | 'manly dpkg-query -S' works | 20:33 |
| * furrywolf starts a campaign to end the use of the "man" command and replace it with "person" :P | 20:38 | |
| Akuli | $ whatis dpkg-query | 20:39 |
| Akuli | this only shows a short summary though | 20:39 |
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