golinux | Woohoo! We now have a "Freedom Hacks" forum at dev1galaxy.org!! | 00:31 |
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Hurgotron | --verbose please | 00:33 |
golinux | Explore workarounds to reverse/repair unwanted upstream decisions | 00:34 |
Hurgotron | sounds great! | 00:36 |
golinux | Yeah, I think it will be a winner | 00:40 |
phogg | so how much of this will be about gnome | 00:41 |
meep_____ | We should discuss this at that new tourist attraction https://i2.wp.com/www.tor.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/01/mysteryfleshpit.jpg?fit=1280%2C1724&type=vertical&quality=100&ssl=1 | 00:45 |
meep_____ | Is there any way to improve the efficiency of the sleep command? | 02:42 |
meep_____ | I thought it's just supposed to be a NOOP | 02:42 |
gnarface | sleep in bash? | 02:43 |
gnarface | oh it's a program, not a bash construct | 02:43 |
gnarface | hmmm | 02:43 |
gnarface | did you try nicing it? | 02:43 |
gnarface | heheh | 02:43 |
meep_____ | after switching from xfce tooling (theme management, volume management, power management) to DWM and ACPId my system battery last so much longer. It's always as if I have installed a new battery | 02:43 |
meep_____ | But DWM and ACPId is so efficient it's exposed inefficiencies elsewhere in the system | 02:44 |
gnarface | nice -n -20 sleep 1 | 02:44 |
gnarface | ? | 02:44 |
meep_____ | For example the 'sleep' command now shows up regular in conky's top of cpu consumer list | 02:44 |
gnarface | hmm | 02:45 |
meep_____ | gnarface: the issue is not of cpu-scheduling sleep | 02:45 |
meep_____ | It's that it seems to be using comparable cpu to actual productive programs | 02:45 |
meep_____ | And I'm on a laptop with a limited power budget | 02:45 |
meep_____ | The less power wasted the longer I can be productive on my lappy | 02:46 |
gnarface | it does make sense | 02:46 |
gnarface | i wonder if it could be affected by a kernel parameter | 02:47 |
gnarface | er, i mean a kernel build option | 02:47 |
gnarface | tickless? dynticks? something like that | 02:48 |
meep_____ | I'm running the default amd64 4.19 kernel | 02:49 |
gnarface | come to think of it, there's probably a number of things you could change to optimize for power savings if you rebuilt it | 02:49 |
meep_____ | I don't really know what tickless and dynticks are | 02:49 |
meep_____ | gnarface: I'd be very interested in that | 02:49 |
gnarface | well i'm not sure if it's on or not by default but it might not be | 02:49 |
gnarface | basically it's supposed to just skip clock ticks when nothing is happening, i think | 02:49 |
meep_____ | What is? Tickless or dynticks | 02:50 |
gnarface | i think it's the same thing but i'm not sure which word will be easier to find i the menuconfig interface | 02:50 |
meep_____ | Can the same level of improvement by had by adding default cmdlines into /etc/default/grub rather than building from scratch? | 02:50 |
gnarface | if it's not on by default i think not | 02:51 |
gnarface | i mean if it's not built-in i think not but i could be wrong | 02:51 |
meep_____ | ยป <gnarface> come to think of it, there's probably a number of things you could change to optimize for power savings if you rebuilt it | 03:13 |
meep_____ | Do you have any further information on this? Perhaps an article you wrote or others have written? | 03:13 |
gnarface | nah i didn't write any of it down | 03:13 |
gnarface | i just browsed the options with menuconfig | 03:14 |
gnarface | painstakingly and item by item | 03:14 |
gnarface | i didn't understand most of it, but i'm sure someone does | 03:17 |
gnarface | what i can tell you is that even if you don't understand most of it, you'll still understand some of it | 03:19 |
gnarface | consider changing the default cpu frequency governor in the power management section... | 03:21 |
gnarface | enable some extra ones as modules to give yourself options.. | 03:21 |
gnarface | remove all unused hardware support... change cpu specs to be more specific to the device you have | 03:22 |
stiltr | You can also try asking over on #gentoo. Lots of kernel building there. | 03:22 |
gnarface | recompile it with -Os instead of -O2 | 03:22 |
gnarface | ... change default brightness... all stuff that could save battery life... wont help with sleep though | 03:23 |
stiltr | Also, I'd suggest making your changes in batches so you know which setting was the problem when it won't boot anymore. | 03:23 |
stiltr | Good suggestions by gnarface though. Definitely start there. | 03:23 |
gnarface | i could imagine some values for paging/schedulers tuning could have different outcomes for battery life, but i don't know any of that stuff well enough to mess with it safely | 03:23 |
gnarface | maybe some sort of swap tuning too | 03:24 |
stiltr | If it's got a spinning disk, probably a fair amount of tweaking to be done there as well. | 03:25 |
gnarface | definitely somewhere near CONFIG_HZ in the menus there was something about a tickless system | 03:25 |
gnarface | i think it was a multi-choice option where you could have a partially or fully tickless system instead of just having a static clock rate (250 by default in the debian kernel, btw, which is more intended for servers) | 03:26 |
gnarface | turning it up for a mobile device probably won't help your battery but very well might help your UI latency | 03:27 |
gnarface | some window managers may have optimization techniques too | 03:36 |
gnarface | enlightenment lets you set a framerate cap | 03:36 |
meep_____ | gnarface: nconfig is a better interface than menuconfig in my opinion | 04:23 |
meep_____ | You should try it sometime if you have ncurses | 04:23 |
meep_____ | Or xconfig if you have qt | 04:24 |
meep_____ | There's also a gtk2 interface but the qt kernel configurator is better | 04:24 |
im663 | Hi there, I recently switched to Devuan, and also switched my sources.list to use testing instead of beowulf | 06:46 |
im663 | Everytime, I do a apt update, I get two errors: "Err:4 http://deb.devuan.org/merged testing-security InRelease | 06:47 |
im663 | 403 Forbidden [IP: 131.188.12.211 80] | 06:47 |
im663 | " | 06:47 |
im663 | and "E: Failed to fetch http://deb.devuan.org/merged/dists/testing-security/InRelease 403 Forbidden [IP: 131.188.12.211 80]" | 06:47 |
im663 | Is there any way to fix this, or is it normal? | 06:47 |
im663 | My sources file is exactly the same as stock, however I replaced all of the instances of beowulf with testing | 06:48 |
Agris | Testing does not have security updates | 06:49 |
Agris | It is testing | 06:49 |
Agris | And testing is not the same thing as beowulf | 06:49 |
im663 | So it's normal to see that error? | 06:49 |
im663 | Or should I just comment the security repo entries? | 06:52 |
golinux | im663: Use the release name in your sources list not the suite. | 07:02 |
golinux | to fix the error run apt update and answer yes. | 07:02 |
golinux | Oops. misread I think. | 07:03 |
im663 | I ran an update, after commenting out the security updates section and not getting the error anymore | 07:03 |
golinux | Use chimaera instead of testing | 07:03 |
im663 | I had no idea that testing didn't recieve security updates | 07:04 |
golinux | You will get a surprise when bulleye goes stabe and we are still testing if you sue suites in sources | 07:04 |
im663 | Isn't Chimaera just testing??? | 07:05 |
golinux | Yes | 07:05 |
im663 | Perhaps I need to use the codename instead of testing | 07:05 |
im663 | Ahhhhh I see | 07:05 |
golinux | Read this page https://devuan.org/os/releases | 07:06 |
golinux | Info is also here in short form . . . https://devuan.org/os/packages | 07:06 |
im663 | Peculiar, because if I use testing, it properly fetches and allows me to update all the packages | 07:08 |
im663 | Just not the security packages | 07:08 |
im663 | Switched to chimaera and now I'm getting: "Err:5 http://deb.devuan.org/merged chimaera-security Release404 Not Found [IP: 195.85.215.180 80]" | 07:11 |
ffurrywol | I thing only stable and older gets a security. | 07:15 |
ffurrywol | bbl | 07:15 |
ffurrywol | for testing and unstable, a security fix just gets pushed as a regular package update. | 07:16 |
im663 | Ahhh I see, that makes sense | 07:16 |
golinux | Yes. You still won't get security but you will save yourself much grief when bullseye goes stable and we are still testing for months after that.. | 07:16 |
im663 | Does that potentially leave my machine less secure? | 07:17 |
im663 | Any security differences between stable/testing/unstable? | 07:17 |
golinux | I don't even know what comes after bullseye | 07:17 |
golinux | Read furry's comment | 07:17 |
im663 | Okay so they should be the same in terms of security | 07:18 |
golinux | Yes | 07:18 |
im663 | Awesome thank you all | 07:19 |
golinux | YW | 07:19 |
golinux | Enjoy!! | 07:19 |
bgustav | I use chimaera too (+ lxqt). It's great, the only problem I ever had was that network-manager stopped working after an update but the next day another update came and everything was working again | 07:25 |
roo^y | my fanless mele pc had crashed with a new install of beowulf when i'd let it idle for a long time (overnight to next evening). This week i've been using a new "install" of easy os 2.3.3, from a USB stick. It's been solid, not behaving like an extreme eco warrior OS! :D *disclaimer: The EasyOS creator is a tech blogger I copied for the purchase of the same hardware. It'd be interesting to see if new debian is stable on it | 11:37 |
Agris | Every time I take this thing completely apart i'm left with ~2 or more screws | 12:46 |
Agris | Ounce i'm done putting it back together | 12:46 |
djph | it's more efficient now. | 12:46 |
openbsdt1i123 | hi | 12:55 |
openbsdt1i123 | startxfce4 is buggy on ascii and failing to start. | 12:55 |
openbsdt1i123 | the worksaround is to start with slim. | 12:55 |
openbsdt1i123 | But note, that the startxfce4 works well on slackware ;) ! | 12:56 |
openbsdt1i123 | slackware is reaally relisable. | 12:56 |
openbsdt1i123 | there is plus on ascii and buster: mkfs.ext3 that cannot format sandisk usb pendrive like sdc1 and sdc2, it fails and hangs on last steps of formatting. still unfixe.d | 12:56 |
openbsdt1i123 | there are numerous bugs on buster and ascii amd64. These bugs are residents as well in debian. | 12:57 |
openbsdt1i123 | thank you very much for qt56-teamviewer !! | 13:23 |
openbsdt1i123 | it seems that teamviewer is not suited for devuan | 14:47 |
openbsdt1i123 | teamnvierwer monitoring asks for sysctl | 14:47 |
buZz | sysctl is provided on devuan | 14:47 |
buZz | what does it actually ask? | 14:47 |
openbsdt1i123 | no GUI will start with teamviwewer | 14:47 |
buZz | -with- teamviewer? isnt that just that VNC clone with MiTM attacks? | 14:48 |
openbsdt1i123 | teamviewer is the trojan closed source, and criminal software. zeah | 14:48 |
buZz | cool | 14:48 |
buZz | then a) what is your actual 'sysctl' error? | 14:48 |
openbsdt1i123 | yesah for desktop remote over net. | 14:48 |
buZz | and b) what are you trying to do , why isnt a gui already running before you start teamviewer's remote control? | 14:49 |
openbsdt1i123 | dpkg error procvessing package teamviewr montiorring subprocess intaleld post installation script return errore exit statur 127 erro e... var lib dpk gin fon teaivwer montironign postingst line 221 szystemclt command not found. | 14:49 |
buZz | sudo apt install systemctl | 14:50 |
buZz | ... | 14:50 |
buZz | so thats a) solved | 14:50 |
buZz | and b) ? | 14:50 |
openbsdt1i123 | unable to located pakckage systemctl | 14:50 |
buZz | systemctl/stable-backports,stable-backports 1.4.4147-1~bpo10+1 all | 14:50 |
buZz | daemonless "systemctl" command to manage services without systemd | 14:50 |
buZz | try a apt update? :D | 14:51 |
buZz | oh, maybe you need to add backports | 14:51 |
buZz | are you perhaps not on beowulf? | 14:51 |
openbsdt1i123 | here the apt output https://termbin.com/ip66 | 14:52 |
openbsdt1i123 | I have asicci | 14:52 |
buZz | why so old :D | 14:52 |
buZz | but ; https://pkginfo.devuan.org/stage/beowulf/beowulf-backports/systemctl_1.4.4147-1~bpo10+1.html | 14:52 |
buZz | its in beowulf-backports | 14:52 |
buZz | upgrade to beowulf and add backports repo | 14:52 |
openbsdt1i123 | do you have a sources list_?? | 14:52 |
buZz | ascii is very old, why are you still running it? | 14:52 |
openbsdt1i123 | I will try then with debootstrap | 14:53 |
buZz | over 2 years old now :) | 14:53 |
buZz | deb http://nl.deb.devuan.org/merged beowulf main non-free contrib | 14:53 |
buZz | deb http://nl.deb.devuan.org/merged beowulf-backports main non-free contrib | 14:53 |
openbsdt1i123 | debootrap --arch amd64 beowurlf . http>//be.deb.devuan.org/merged is this site still ok?? | 14:54 |
openbsdt1i123 | ok | 14:54 |
openbsdt1i123 | thx | 14:54 |
openbsdt1i123 | i know that I alsreadz managed with teamviewer wwith installation of kde on asciii | 14:56 |
openbsdt1i123 | but I cannot remeber the package that was neceessary | 14:56 |
openbsdt1i123 | ... :( | 14:56 |
buZz | documentation is nice to write and saves you from forgetting stuff ;) | 15:02 |
Joril | (I THINK you should be using just deb.devuan.org) | 15:10 |
openbsdt1i123 | here the ultimage documentatin | 16:00 |
openbsdt1i123 | documenst is C... | 16:00 |
openbsdt1i123 | config.c http://termbin.com/fpxg | 16:01 |
openbsdt1i123 | I tried to install teamviewer on debian DVD KDE stable, but after installation of kde. thre is ldconfig is not present at all. | 20:02 |
openbsdt1i123 | teamviwer does not installation on debian , so likely it will end the same story since devuan is a clone of it. | 20:03 |
gnarface | openbsdt1i123 there's more secure ways to share your desktop anyway | 20:04 |
gnarface | openbsdt1i123 a properly configured VNC server might have less features but will share a read-only view of the desktop to multiple users just as well as teamviewer, without having to go outside of the repos | 20:05 |
gnarface | openbsdt1i123 (do make sure you've configured it so they can only view) | 20:05 |
gnarface | openbsdt1i123 if you only need to share it with 1 user though, all you need is ffmpeg and netcat | 20:06 |
tuxd3v | openbsdt1i123, debian doesn't ship ldconfig? | 20:06 |
gnarface | openbsdt1i123 (swap netcat for openssh if you need to secure the connection) | 20:07 |
tuxd3v | openbsdt1i123, ldconfig is part of package: libc-bin | 20:08 |
kreyren | How do i get keepassxc-cli on my devuan? | 22:02 |
debdog | on Beowulf, apt* install keepassxc https://packages.debian.org/search?searchon=contents&keywords=keepassxc-cli&mode=exactfilename&suite=stable&arch=any | 22:06 |
debdog | kreyren: ^ | 22:07 |
kreyren | debdog, i'm on chimaera and the expected is not present | 22:08 |
kreyren | ah keepassxc not installed | 22:08 |
kreyren | i am using the appimage >.< | 22:08 |
kreyren | debdog, thanks ^-^ | 22:09 |
debdog | hehe | 22:09 |
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