david_sk | Been trying for several days to connect to the Devuan website, but keep getting a "secure connection failed". Is it just me, or is the official site having difficulties? | 01:47 |
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meep_____ | david_sk: your internet is probably being mitm attacke | 01:50 |
meep_____ | D | 01:50 |
meep_____ | Try connecting over tor | 01:50 |
meep_____ | To avoid censorship and blocks to the Internet, this website is also accessible using Tor at the address http://devuanzuwu3xoqwp.onion | 01:50 |
david_sk | Okay, I'll give it a try. I've never noticed such problems with other websites, so this one is a new one to me. Thanks! | 01:52 |
fsmithred | are we considered evil in some country? | 01:59 |
crashoverride | #define we | 02:00 |
david_sk | I've tried a couple of web browsers and they all tell me that the authenticity of the data could not be verified against the certificate. FYI | 02:06 |
david_sk | I was able to access it without problems a while ago, but I can't recall exactly how long ago that was. Maybe a couple of weeks ago? | 02:08 |
meep_____ | Someone's trying to hack you | 02:08 |
sgage | I am having no trouble accessing the Devuan website. | 02:08 |
meep_____ | Is it possible to setup Devuan for ANSI art on the framebuffer? | 02:08 |
pnd | meep_____: david_sk i would be surprised if any targeted or even untargeted attack was to blame here... | 02:12 |
pnd | if you can access tor tails heads, you likely arent being mitm/targeted | 02:13 |
openbsdtai123 | it is easy.. fbi | 02:16 |
openbsdtai123 | wget logo.png ... chmod 777 /dev/tty0 ; fbi -d /dev/tty0 logo.png and voila. | 02:16 |
openbsdtai123 | there is a bug with fbi and ioctl. this is linux, ioctl may give issue. | 02:17 |
meep_____ | Apt doesn't use tls | 02:20 |
meep_____ | It verifies stuff out of band with gpg | 02:21 |
meep_____ | Also mass collection is widespread now | 02:21 |
meep_____ | Even just being a comcast customer all udp/53 network packets are intercepted and redirected to their own dns server for collection | 02:21 |
meep_____ | And comcast has been known in the past to intercept http and inject ads | 02:22 |
mcr | https://debconf20.debconf.org/schedule/ | 04:24 |
golinux | mcr: Yawn . . . | 05:33 |
meep_____ | How do i attend? | 05:34 |
meep_____ | Hopefully I can do so without nonfree software like zoom? | 05:34 |
malade_mental | Hi all dev1ers! | 11:27 |
malade_mental | I wanted to know if there was some debootstrap guide to install devuan from another distro | 11:27 |
malade_mental | (i.e. debootstrap ...) | 11:28 |
gnarface | malade_mental: you just need the devuan version of debootstrap and it will work fine | 11:48 |
openbsdtai123 | hi guys | 11:53 |
openbsdtai123 | sure... here the mega world most reliable technique to install it.... | 11:53 |
openbsdtai123 | debootstrap.sh http://termbin.com/p2l2 this is made by openbsd userland, so it shall be reliable. no manual however. | 11:54 |
openbsdtai123 | If you need a Grub to boot that deboostrap image, let me know, I can create you a tiny 15 mb iso hybrid with all necessary to install. | 11:58 |
openbsdtai123 | http://openbsdtai123.scienceontheweb.net/devuan/ | 11:58 |
openbsdtai123 | salut ... | 11:59 |
openbsdtai123 | gnarface: this is likely better for new incomers to linux world.: http://openbsdtai123.scienceontheweb.net/devuan/ having bit basics of SH: | 11:59 |
gnarface | openbsdtai123: i don't usually assume people asking about debootstrap are new incomers | 12:02 |
openbsdtai123 | deboostrap is teh most reliable way to install devuan | 12:09 |
openbsdtai123 | there many bugs in the regular installers. | 12:10 |
openbsdtai123 | installing kde is failing, fairly. | 12:10 |
openbsdtai123 | I downloaded DVD 1 devan stable and it cannot install. I believe that new incomers have no other choice than using deboostrap. | 12:10 |
fsmithred | devuan-live isos and refracta isos have devuan debootstrap installed. | 12:33 |
openbsdtai123 | the grub on the buster does not install properly on the stable devuan. this is a big drawback and big bug to fix. So incomers would run another OS, rather than looking how to boot it. | 12:39 |
openbsdtai123 | I would recommend to go Lilo as well as workaround in the devuan installer. Since you have to be a clone of debian, you have no chances to modify the debian/devuan installer. Lilo is likely very good alternative for newers. | 12:40 |
openbsdtai123 | (sorry stable, beowurlf). | 12:40 |
malade_mental | gnarface: wonderful :} | 14:45 |
FlibberTGibbet | how stable is ceres these days, please? | 16:19 |
FlibberTGibbet | or is it chimaera? | 16:22 |
crashoverride | chimeres. | 16:23 |
FlibberTGibbet | right, thanks crashoverride | 16:23 |
crashoverride | anytime. | 16:23 |
FlibberTGibbet | reckon it's safe(ish) to try on a spare laptop? | 16:23 |
FlibberTGibbet | currently running beowulf | 16:23 |
crashoverride | honestly, from my experience, TIAS. | 16:24 |
crashoverride | with this kind of issue, TIAS. | 16:24 |
FlibberTGibbet | yeah. i'll backpedal if smoke comes out the USB ports :) | 16:25 |
fsmithred | FlibberTGibbet, chimaera (current testing) is in pretty good shape | 16:39 |
fsmithred | I have it on a T420 with xfce and it works. | 16:39 |
fsmithred | FlibberTGibbet, there may be some tricky points if you upgrade from beowulf | 16:41 |
fsmithred | I had to remove libc6-dev and build-essential and then add them back later. When someone else did it a week later, it was slightly different. You may need to be creative with the package manager. | 16:44 |
FlibberTGibbet | thanks fsmithred. yes, just saw that with libc6-dev/build-essential. but otherwise seems to be holding its own -- using apt rather than apt-get this time around | 17:00 |
fsmithred | cool | 17:00 |
fsmithred | I had to also do apt install libgcc-8-dev=8.4.0-4 | 17:00 |
FlibberTGibbet | 4TB of tex-related packages to upgrade too (zzzzzz...) :) | 17:01 |
fsmithred | oh yeah, also removed libgcc1 first | 17:01 |
fsmithred | yikes | 17:01 |
FlibberTGibbet | i'll see what breaks next time I try to build something, and worry about those -dev packages accordingly then :) | 17:01 |
fsmithred | sounds like a plan | 17:02 |
FlibberTGibbet | could have been worse, I could have been updating a single library + dependencies in npm! | 17:02 |
fsmithred | I don't know it | 17:03 |
FlibberTGibbet | node package manager <- javascript libraries...built for folk who love downloading updates... | 17:03 |
FlibberTGibbet | ...constantly | 17:04 |
FlibberTGibbet | appears to be working. or at least it's too late to back out anyway... | 17:10 |
fsmithred | I'm confident you'll get there | 17:10 |
fsmithred | well... | 17:10 |
fsmithred | I didn't ask what your desktop is | 17:10 |
fsmithred | anything other than xfce might give you other surprises. | 17:10 |
fsmithred | de I mean. Any wm is probably fine. | 17:11 |
fsmithred | there's no wicd in chimaera | 17:11 |
FlibberTGibbet | oh, ok. generally use xfce in any case -- sometimes i3 when the spartan mood strikes... | 17:19 |
FlibberTGibbet | had to go to mate on my mx laptop due to xfce vs. 4K display -- not a problem on this machine | 17:20 |
fsmithred | connman or network-manager-gnome if you want gui wireless | 17:21 |
FlibberTGibbet | great, will take a look. which works better for you? | 17:22 |
fsmithred | tried both briefly. They work. | 17:22 |
fsmithred | connman is probably lighter weight | 17:23 |
fsmithred | n-m has a lot of extra plugins | 17:23 |
FlibberTGibbet | ah, ok. will give both a try and see what sticks. not as though public library/cafe wifi networks are much of an issue at the moment... | 17:24 |
FlibberTGibbet | oh, that's not good | 17:29 |
FlibberTGibbet | the dist-upgrade failed on tpm2-abrmd | 17:29 |
FlibberTGibbet | which seems to be an init helper | 17:29 |
FlibberTGibbet | :O | 17:29 |
fsmithred | maybe just do upgrade first, or... | 17:30 |
fsmithred | install tpm2-abrmd=2.3.2-1 | 17:31 |
fsmithred | and then repeat the dist-upgrade | 17:31 |
fsmithred | or remove it and install it after you reboot | 17:31 |
FlibberTGibbet | ah, for some reason it stopped complaining about that. all more or less ok after reboot, and for some reason wicd is still there and running. | 17:34 |
FlibberTGibbet | qualified win then | 17:34 |
fsmithred | oh, probably the beowulf version of wicd | 17:35 |
FlibberTGibbet | well, if it works for now... | 17:35 |
fsmithred | oh, 1.7.4+tb2-6+devuan1.1 is in ceres | 17:35 |
FlibberTGibbet | ah, this is great. xfce 4.14 seems to handle themes a bit better -- dark everything now :) | 17:36 |
FlibberTGibbet | thanks for the advice, anyway. | 17:42 |
fsmithred | yw | 17:43 |
Junicchi | sup, i just fully switched to devuan | 20:09 |
Junicchi | in debian i was using systemctl to hibernate, how can i do it in devuan? | 20:10 |
meep_____ | Pm-something | 20:10 |
meep_____ | Pm-suspend is sleep | 20:10 |
meep_____ | So pm-hibernate is probably what you want | 20:10 |
Junicchi | i don't have any binary starting with pm 0w0 | 20:10 |
Junicchi | its not preinstalled i guess | 20:11 |
meep_____ | Pm-tools | 20:11 |
meep_____ | It's a script | 20:11 |
Junicchi | yup, found them under pm-utils package | 20:14 |
mcr | meep_____, I don't know what they are using, but I don't think it's zoom. | 21:07 |
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