libera/#devuan/ Saturday, 2020-08-22

yanmaaniWhy did you take it down? It should be very fast to CNAME the old domain to deb.devuan.org01:46
systemdletegnarface:  The thing with my setup is that the 4-bay unit has one 140mm fan.  In fact, I upgraded from the 3-bay version because that one had two small 60mm (or maybe 40mm, idr now) fans, which were noisier and less efficient.   So I think the fan can probably be ruled out in this instance.02:54
systemdleteAlso, mdadm is software raid, so there is no hardware raid controller, either.  But it is good to remind me about those issues.02:55
systemdleteYour thinking about negligence in package handling due to the quarantine was my thinking also!  I just received a usb-ethernet dongle whose activity/link LEDs did not work and did not seem able to achieve a full 100Mbps, let alone the 1 or 2 Gbps it was rated for (USB3/gigabit ethernet).  So, yeah.  I am seriously wondering if this is all due to less stringent manufacturing and handling (shipping) practices due to the pandemic.02:58
systemdleteIt certainly seems likely.02:58
systemdleteAnd, no.  It's a plain old 2 drive RAID1.  Actually 3, once a spare is possible.  I have had 2 of my 3 500GB drives die on me in the past couple months, and I had 2 2TB WD drives standing by.  I had not prepped them since I got them LAST summer (2019), before the crisis.   So when push came to shove, I tried to use them, and one of them was bad right out of the box!03:00
systemdleteI am trying to make it a practice to sort of burn in new drives BEFORE they are needed, but I got lazy.03:00
systemdleteI just walked the bad drive and the bad dongle to the UPS and the Fedex place, respectively.  The air is poison due to all the fires here.  I am in Sacramento, due east of the NLU complex fire, and the air is thick with smoke.  The mask was helpful in more ways than one today.03:02
systemdleteMy eyes are still burning...03:03
systemdleteI'm concluding maybe some build-up of oxidation on the contacts in the 3rd of the 4 bays.03:04
systemdleteMaybe just a few blasts of CO2 is needed03:04
gnarfaceworth a try03:08
systemdleteWell, I might have my answer.  I just looked at the logs -- and my email from mdadm -- the new WD drive is down.03:09
systemdleteIt's the Toshiba drive I just replaced.03:09
systemdleteThe WD drive had been working... I thought.03:09
systemdleteThat was the one that had the constant activity light on earlier.03:10
systemdletefailed to enable AA03:10
systemdleteIt is possible my drive needs to be "quirked" for my specific model and firmware.  See https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=907193.  Of course, that's RH and they are talking Seagate drives, but it is the same bug.03:39
systemdletehdparm -I shows that a similar feature (DMA auto-activate) is supported, but not enabled.03:40
VallHello everyone. Is it me, or are the devuan repo servers down?04:19
masonVall: switch to deb.devuan.org04:20
tuxd3vmason, you mean deb.devuan.org/merged04:21
tuxd3v?04:21
tuxd3v:)04:21
masondeb http://deb.devuan.org/merged beowulf main04:22
Vallhttps://pastebin.com/81hsi0Js04:23
golinuxThat is a mess.04:24
masonVall: Can you use bpaste.net or termbin.com or something not so heavily ad- and javascript-infested? Thanks in advance.04:24
Vallmason, tuxd3v: this patticular VM is still on jessie.04:24
Vallmason: will do, 1 min04:24
golinuxFirst always use codenames not suite in your sources04:25
masonVall: Update it all the way, then change sources to point to ASCII, then update and dist-upgrade, reboot, rinse and repeat.04:25
Vallhttps://bpa.st/7HUA04:25
masonty, lookin04:25
golinuxAnd don't use packages.roundr.devuan.org:http:04:25
Vallgolinux: I never changed that. It must have come as part of the Jessie install.04:26
masonOoh, yeah, referring to stable has interesting consequences. Theoretically it will cause you to follow stable through upgrades, but in practise it's a bit more fraught with peril than that.04:26
golinuxExactly.04:27
masonVall: Can you share your /etc/apt/sources.list ?04:27
tuxd3v👍04:27
Vallsure, 1 min04:27
Vall# cat /etc/apt/sources.list04:27
Valldeb http://packages.devuan.org/merged stable main04:27
Vall(just this one line)04:28
masonVall: cat /etc/apt/sources.list | nv termbin.com 999904:28
masonah04:28
Vall(for 1 line?)04:28
golinuxThings have changed a lot since jessie.  Read the release notes and website for the latest tips.04:28
VallOK ;-)04:28
VallNo problem. But should jessie stop working just like that?04:28
masonSo, yeah, deb http://deb.devuan.org/merged jessie main         should be correct04:28
golinuxYes.  If the repositories have been moved around04:28
masonRight now referring to stable will do very much the wrong thing.04:29
VallOK, mason, thanks. Will change to "deb http://deb.devuan.org/merged jessie main" as per your guidance04:29
Vall1 min04:29
golinuxWell, not at the current time but when bullseye goes stable it will for sure04:29
masonVall: apt update and see if it's happy, before upgrading anything04:30
golinuxTime for tea here . . .04:30
masonVall: Then the usual process... Delete any packages you can easily replace to make the upgrade less painful, note them to reinstall later. Update to the latest for the branch, reboot, then move up *one* release and repeat.04:31
Vallcomplaining of GPG key:04:31
masongolinux: Enjoy!04:31
VallW: GPG error: http://deb.devuan.org jessie InRelease: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY BB23C00C61FC752C04:31
Valllooking for the key to import04:31
VallWhich is the keyserver for devuan?04:32
masonI believe you can pull from the public servers unproblematically.04:32
VallOK got it from the Ubuntu keyserver (believe it or not!)04:33
masonThe state of GPG since the signature attacks is kind of unfortunate.04:33
masonor rather keyservers04:33
Vallheh04:34
VallAnyway, apt seems happy now04:34
VallThanks mason!04:34
masonVall: cool04:34
masonVall: just remember to take it slow and steady. update before dist-upgrade, let it do as little as it can on each hop04:34
masontake out packages so you give it less to have to upgrade, etc.04:34
masonIt's just like Debian in how you do it safely.04:35
TemporalBeingQ: I'm starting from Devuan Embedded on RPi4 and have the base system installed (command-line); I'd like to install KDE, and keep SystemD out of the way. I've already blocked libsystemd0. What documentation should I follow?05:47
golinuxMight also ask in #devuan-arm05:56
TemporalBeingit should be the same as normal; I just couldn't use the install CD06:00
user282069any tips for gitlab? i see its in backports09:50
user282069has no installation candidate and is referenced by other pkgs :\ hrm09:51
Unit193Might be able to nab it from fasttrack...?12:46
openbsdtai123devuan ascii and buster cannot format ext2 and ext3 !! Please a fix ! there is a big bug since long time now.14:00
DPAopenbsdtai123: Do you have e2fsprogs installed? Is ext2 and ext4 included in /proc/filesystems? If both is the case, there shouldn't be any problems.14:05
openbsdtai123I will check - thank you because this is very worrying ... on mmcblk0 no problem, but all Sanedisk will freeze!!!!!!14:07
systemdletexhci_hcd 0000:02:00.0: WARN Event TRB for slot 2 ep 4 with no TDs queued?20:18
systemdleteThis is only a warning, but it does fill up the logs.  I am running 4.9.0-13-amd64.20:19
systemdlete(ascii)20:19
nemosystemdlete: any reason you're not on beowulf?20:22
nemoseems easiest way to see if a driver has been fixed..20:22
systemdleteIt's on my list.20:22
systemdleteYes, I agree.  Just been busy doing other stuff.20:23
nemoit's apparently some buggy USB from DDGing for the error20:23
nemowhich increases likelihood that upgrading will fix20:23
nemosince buggy peripherals are a neverending linux driver fight20:23
nemomaybe try using different peripherals20:23
systemdleteI am limited on the peripherals issue.20:23
systemdleteOnly some usb-ethernet dongles are supported for my application.20:23
systemdleteThese were working fine for the longest time.  It's just started acting up the past few weeks or so, probably since a kernel upgrade.20:24
systemdletebtw, what is "DDGing?"20:25
yanmaanisearching on duckduckgo20:30
systemdleteoh, thanks20:32
systemdleteI use DDG myself.  Although, I am starting to think about swisscow instead.20:32
systemdleteThat disk drive problem yesterday?  Gone.  Totally.20:33
systemdleteAll I did was reboot, fix the file systems (which were in poor shape) and now everything seems happy.20:33
systemdleteNo more errors about DMA AA not working -- in fact, hdparm -I shows the drive has AA activated!20:34
systemdleteI am really not sure what went awry, but it may be due to the fact I leave my computer up for weeks at a time.20:34
systemdleteNo strange noises from any of the drives, no kern.log notices, warnings, or errors.  I did not touch any hardware (other than to blast some CO2 on the connectors in the bay).20:35
systemdleteI was, however, running a dozen VMs of varying sizes, and core memory was running tight.  But I did not observe any "funny" behavior within the VMs.  All seemed to work as advertised and expected.20:36
tuxd3vnemo, I ended 2 days Ago the fight for the kingdom, I killed Ashiviere mad Queen :)21:19
tuxd3vhis daughter became queen21:20
tuxd3vkonrad married her, 3 children's, and I thought all the time that he was the rightful heir to the throne.. :S21:22
openbsdtai123hey guys, golinux will get mad looking at human message... ;) keep technical ... no, just kidding. Glad you can chat now on devuan. Keep humanity ;)22:05
masonThere is #devuan-offtopic for non-support stuff.22:10
nemotuxd3v: ☺22:10
nemotuxd3v: you should join the wesnoth channel22:10
nemotuxd3v: much discussion of campaigns22:10
golinuxopenbsdtai123: I've been cooking and missed an opportunity, it seems22:12
openbsdtai123mason: ubuntu is human, why not devuan?23:03
openbsdtai123humanity?23:03
openbsdtai123ever heard?23:03
masonopenbsdtai123: Ubuntu's not really human. :) Maybe better than it used to be.23:04
MinceRhumanity is overrated23:08

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