| fling | Or I can run lxd in a gentoo chroot hmmm | 00:08 |
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| gnarface | it's a good option | 00:09 |
| gnarface | you probably could run lxd inside a linux-vservers guest even | 00:09 |
| gnarface | though i don't know that for sure, a chroot is halfway there | 00:09 |
| gnarface | if it would work in a chroot there's a strong chance it would work in a linux-vservers guest, too | 00:10 |
| gnarface | though so would gentoo, for that matter | 00:10 |
| gnarface | either way, having a gentoo guest around probably has other useful features that make it worth it | 00:10 |
| gnarface | though if this is just about build deps not being multi-arch safe maybe you can use the chroot to get around that too | 00:13 |
| gnarface | i used to have to build 32-bit wine components that way | 00:14 |
| fling | linux-vservers requires a modified kernel and does not work with 5 hmm | 00:15 |
| fling | 4.9 is the latest -> http://linux-vserver.org/Welcome_to_Linux-VServer.org | 00:15 |
| gnarface | yea they're taking up a collection to pay for the work to get the next one out though | 00:19 |
| gnarface | and uh... you probably don't need it | 00:19 |
| gnarface | server software doesn't typically tend to require new kernel features like desktop software does | 00:20 |
| gnarface | but yea, you would have to patch the kernel | 00:20 |
| gnarface | you'd also have to build a userspace tools package | 00:21 |
| gnarface | it all used to be in debian but was pulled long ago | 00:21 |
| gnarface | (afaik over one dependency problem; dietlibc, not a freaking boat load like is holding lxd back) | 00:21 |
| fling | should not I use snapd? | 00:22 |
| gnarface | i wouldn't but to each their own... | 00:22 |
| gnarface | flatpack and snaps both have a cloud of destruction around them the size of which can only mark their mantainership as "not competent" | 00:22 |
| gnarface | use it but make a backup first | 00:23 |
| fling | ok | 00:23 |
| fling | nah I don't like snaps, ubuntu and bundled deps | 00:23 |
| fling | gnarface: maybe I can do this https://github.com/lxc/lxd/#installing-lxd-from-source | 00:27 |
| fling | or maybe I should just package it somehow instead | 00:28 |
| gnarface | fling: checkinstall can make packages easily from the "make install" action of a source build | 00:29 |
| gnarface | fling: if it has a ./debian/ directory though it's supposed to be buildable with the dpkg/debhelper tools | 00:31 |
| fling | sounds good | 00:32 |
| crhylove | What's the easiest/best way to roll your own devuan these days? | 03:46 |
| mason | crhylove: Do you mean forking the distribution, or doing a deboostrap install? | 03:49 |
| mason | crhylove: If the latter, grab one of the live images and you'll have everything you need. | 03:50 |
| gnarface | crhylove: (for the former, there are build scripts in the gitlab you can check out) | 03:55 |
| golinux | crhylove: You mean take a snapshot of your current setup? If yes, refractasnapshot. It's in the repos | 04:14 |
| crhylove | Cool! Thanks. Gonna have to build a good image first... | 04:52 |
| meep_____ | Is this the freedumb channel? | 06:29 |
| robin | hello everybody hope youre all fine | 08:33 |
| robin | i have a quick question regarding minimal install and devuan | 08:33 |
| robin | on debian i usually take the unofficial nonfree firmware netinstall, but here in devuan its only the netinstall? i will not have any wifi then cause of drivers i think | 08:34 |
| robin | what would you guys suggest? :) | 08:34 |
| robin | is it best to make a debian netinstall unofficial firmware and then just go over to devuan from that way maybe? | 08:36 |
| gnarface | robin: the devuan official netinstall includes the non-free wifi drivers, ironically so you wouldn't have to ask this | 08:37 |
| robin | really? | 08:37 |
| gnarface | yea | 08:38 |
| gnarface | it should just work | 08:38 |
| robin | but i couldnt find my wifi from tty there | 08:38 |
| gnarface | oh, hmmm | 08:38 |
| gnarface | i guess some might be missing, which hardware? | 08:38 |
| robin | in debian i make /etc/network/interfaces and so on | 08:38 |
| gnarface | yes, that should work | 08:38 |
| robin | thinkpad t430 is the laptop | 08:38 |
| gnarface | dpkg -l |grep firmware | 08:39 |
| gnarface | ? | 08:39 |
| robin | ii firmware-iwlwifi 20190114-2 all Binary firmware for Intel Wireless cardsii firmware-linux-free 3.4 all Binary firmware for various drivers in the Linux kernelii intel-microcode 3.20200616.1~deb10u1 | 08:39 |
| robin | amd64 Processor microcode firmware for Intel CPUs | 08:39 |
| gnarface | that's probably the right one | 08:40 |
| gnarface | unless your hardware is just too new | 08:40 |
| gnarface | but if it worked in debian it would work here | 08:40 |
| robin | weird stuff | 08:40 |
| robin | i was thinking the same | 08:40 |
| gnarface | "ifconfig -a" doesn't show it? | 08:40 |
| gnarface | perhaps you're just not expecting the old style "eth0" network names? | 08:41 |
| robin | i can try again today and see =) | 08:41 |
| robin | thank you gnarface | 08:41 |
| gnarface | alright, good luck | 08:41 |
| gnarface | and no problem, robin | 08:42 |
| gnarface | it might be called wlan0 or eth0 i'm not sure | 08:42 |
| gnarface | but it won't have the new style names by default | 08:42 |
| robin | yes its all good, will check =) | 08:43 |
| robin | see u maybe later :) | 08:43 |
| n4dir | trying to run startx as user fails. Xorglog says: drmset Master failed for driver 0 | 08:56 |
| n4dir | hmm. I created another user and he can startx. | 08:57 |
| n4dir | probably a typo in xinitrc. rm 'ed it and now it works. sorry for the noise, been a long night. | 08:58 |
| psarria | hi guys, i'm in devuan beowulf and i would like install monit but this package is not available, what can i do ? use buster-backports ? | 13:42 |
| fsmithred | psarria, use beowulf-backports | 13:45 |
| psarria | fsmithred, thanks a lot | 13:48 |
| n4dir | fsmithred: this is the right way to pin: http://paste.debian.net/1164032/ ? File is /etc/apt/preferences.d/00librazika | 13:51 |
| fsmithred | n4dir, I think so. There should be an example that looks like yours in man apt_preferences | 13:52 |
| n4dir | It *seems* to work, but later i disabled the repo. But on the very old laptop it went horribly south (completely without pinning though). I could repair it, but am not too keen to run in it again | 13:53 |
| n4dir | hence i ask. I think i never pinned in my life :-) | 13:53 |
| fsmithred | yeah, without pinning you could run into trouble with wrong versions of libraries getting pulled in | 13:58 |
| fsmithred | and repairing a situation like that could be tricky, depending on how difficult it is to find the packages from that repo. | 13:59 |
| n4dir | pretty much anything i need is in the repos. | 14:00 |
| n4dir | i will probably keep the pinning, install what i think i need, then disable the repo again. This is hardly high-security operation, no need for instant upgrades | 14:00 |
| n4dir | 3 installations in 3 days, in general all worked well. | 14:02 |
| n4dir | the bad news: On this installation qjackctl freezes the screen, using a window manager, and i have to pkill it from the TTY | 14:15 |
| n4dir | i installed cadence, so not really a problem. But still weird | 14:15 |
| fsmithred | are you running out of ram? | 14:22 |
| fsmithred | time for food. back in a few. | 14:24 |
| n4dir | not even close to running out of RAM | 14:24 |
| n4dir | installed xfce4, started it, no problems with qjack there. | 14:29 |
| fsmithred | n4dir, how do you start a terminal in fluxbox? | 14:45 |
| n4dir | i think alt+F1, while alt + F2 will give you a command prompt | 14:45 |
| n4dir | only know the former as i missed the F2 key a couple of times last night. | 14:46 |
| fsmithred | yeah, that works. | 14:46 |
| fsmithred | no lockup with qjackctl. I tried in icewm and fluxbox | 14:46 |
| n4dir | and was wondering why i don't use fluxbox in general. It does everything exactly the way i want it | 14:46 |
| n4dir | sysv or openrc, i got openrc | 14:47 |
| n4dir | but i am pretty lost as to why that might happen | 14:47 |
| fsmithred | sysvinit here | 14:47 |
| n4dir | i had it with old-stable, but not with stable. I had it in AVLinux, thats why i switched to Ubuntustudio (where you don't use qjack anyway, but ubuntustudio-controls) | 14:48 |
| n4dir | and the biggest fun is that it works perfectly fine for xfce (no matter which of the distros i used) | 14:48 |
| fsmithred | I just tested on chimaera | 14:48 |
| n4dir | let me detach from screen, log out of e16 and try in fluxbox. | 14:49 |
| n4dir | happens in fluxbox too. Probably i miss a package somewhere. | 14:51 |
| n4dir | Anyway. No need to investigate this any further now. I will use cadence. And as it doesn't seem to be a general bug, lets leave it as the usual voodoo | 14:52 |
| Robin | Anyone else here that have very slow shutdown when you have encrypted disks? | 16:09 |
| Robin | i have read about it and its a common issue | 16:09 |
| Robin | and you can edit this and that file but im abit afraid to do so in the case i will blow up my system lol.. | 16:10 |
| Robin | its stuck on the crypt, cant remember excactly message | 16:10 |
| Robin | sda5_crypt(busy) | 16:11 |
| Hurgotron | I have encrypted root on RAID-1, and yes, it's somehow stuck and seems to be terminated the hard way after a timeout, AFAIR | 16:11 |
| Robin | yeah okey : p | 16:11 |
| Robin | you just live with it? | 16:11 |
| Hurgotron | So far I have ignored the issue since I rarely reboot :P | 16:12 |
| Robin | i understand haha = ) | 16:13 |
| Robin | Openrc? | 16:13 |
| Hurgotron | sysv | 16:13 |
| Robin | think its same issue for both seems like anyway :P | 16:13 |
| Hurgotron | my wild guess is that it's something with the handover from the initrc do the real root... it would be fun to look into it, if I had the time. It's on the pile of my todos, but not very high up | 16:15 |
| Hurgotron | *initrd | 16:15 |
| fsmithred | Too bad Robin left. In beowulf-proposed-updates is a package to fix the slow shutdown with encryption. Install cryptsetup-modified-functions. | 16:35 |
| fsmithred | Hurgotron ^^^ | 16:35 |
| Hurgotron | fsmithred: Ah nice! I'll try that on my laptop(s). | 17:08 |
| meep_____ | It's not | 20:41 |
| meep_____ | It's that you can't 'unload' your root device from /dev/dm/ if it's your root device | 20:42 |
| meep_____ | Without encryption your not going through dm-mapper | 20:42 |
| meep_____ | You can just remount root as read-only, park the heads and kill the power | 20:43 |
| meep_____ | (modern drives seem to park heads for you) | 20:43 |
| meep_____ | But with luks/dm-crypt there's another layer | 20:43 |
| meep_____ | There is no way to gracefully umount an encrypted root | 20:44 |
| fsmithred | but there is a way to eliminate the delay | 20:45 |
| meep_____ | There just needs to be an adjustment made to the bash script that controls that to not care about fully gracefully bringing down the rootfs | 20:45 |
| fsmithred | actually, there are a couple ways | 20:45 |
| fsmithred | one would be to run systemd instead of sysvinit | 20:45 |
| meep_____ | Mount ro, then maybe run sync | 20:45 |
| fsmithred | the other is to make some changes in /lib/cryptsetup/cryptdisks-functions | 20:45 |
| meep_____ | Already ahead of you fsmithred | 20:46 |
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