| * Xenguy read today the sad story of a Debian Developer who removed the SysV init script from his network-manager package for no reason. Pretty sad to see. | 00:54 | |
| Xenguy | Not sure if that is OT here though. | 00:54 |
|---|---|---|
| mason | Yeah, that'd be #devuan-offtopic | 00:55 |
| Xenguy | np | 01:01 |
| furrywolf | I think I have enough spare bandwidth today to try upgrading to beowulf. | 02:36 |
| * Xenguy has to buy a new external hard drive before he can do the same... | 02:37 | |
| Xenguy | Good luck, and report back to us trailing edge types ; -) | 02:38 |
| furrywolf | apt-get dist-upgrade seems to be trying to hold back about 90% of the things it should upgrade. | 02:47 |
| furrywolf | also, why does it want libpam-systemd? | 02:48 |
| furrywolf | nevermind about holding things back, user error. | 02:50 |
| fsmithred | 'cause you didn't install libpam-elogind | 02:50 |
| gnarface | either that or the thing about --no-install-recommends | 02:50 |
| markizano | I'm on beowulf - seems very similar to buster on pkg versions. it's good. | 02:51 |
| markizano | a lot of ssl issues were resolved via upgrade. | 02:51 |
| gnarface | furrywolf: if it looks like it's going to take more than about +500MB over the old install then it might be including recommends | 02:51 |
| furrywolf | it wants to download 2.4GB of archives, to start. lol | 02:52 |
| gnarface | furrywolf: (+300-500MB is about the space of the old kernel, which you can purge afterwards. in a fair world beowulf won't take much more space at all) | 02:52 |
| gnarface | furrywolf: i'd pay more attention to the REMOVES section than the downloads though, in case it wants to remove something important that you need to remember to reinstall before the first reboot (like the kernel or udev) | 02:52 |
| gnarface | furrywolf: (shouldn't happen anymore but ymmv) | 02:53 |
| furrywolf | I didn't see any removes that weren't libraries that are installed only because of a dependency of something else. | 02:53 |
| gnarface | alright, then you're probably fine | 02:53 |
| gnarface | usually the big risks are the kernel, udev, or your desktop environment | 02:54 |
| gnarface | graphical logins seem to be the most complicated tangle right now | 02:55 |
| furrywolf | 3:21 left on the package download... I ran it with -d so I can let it download without watching it, so I can make sure I'm around to pay attention when it actually does things. | 03:08 |
| gnarface | oh i see | 03:09 |
| furrywolf | apt-get keeps cancelling the entire download because of occasional network glitches. this is getting stupid. | 04:20 |
| furrywolf | fourth time re-running it now... | 04:21 |
| golinux | Why don't you do it in pieces instead of on indigestible chunk? | 04:32 |
| gnarface | furrywolf: try a apt proxy | 04:53 |
| gnarface | furrywolf: like apt cache or something | 04:53 |
| meep_____ | furrywolf: | 05:04 |
| meep_____ | You know you can just buy or burn a full beowulf DVD somewhere | 05:04 |
| meep_____ | Pop it in your computer and use that to upgrade right? | 05:04 |
| meep_____ | Tell apt to use the cdrom as a repository source | 05:04 |
| meep_____ | And finish the rest over slow internet | 05:04 |
| meep_____ | Theres also a script i forgot that name but turns apt transactions into a wget download bash script you can run on a different machine | 05:05 |
| furrywolf | burning it requires downloading a whole dvd... | 05:06 |
| meep_____ | Head into down and download/burn the dvd | 05:06 |
| meep_____ | At a library or coffee shop | 05:06 |
| meep_____ | Or buy a DVD | 05:06 |
| meep_____ | Like back in the day when you had to purchase slackware dvds because all you had was dialup | 05:07 |
| meep_____ | People still sell Linux DVDs | 05:07 |
| meep_____ | I'd probably even send you one for free if you asked nicely | 05:07 |
| furrywolf | I should be able to get cable soon. will be very nice... | 05:08 |
| golinux | The current isos are already out of date and would require updating | 05:12 |
| gnarface | isn't there a resume download option? | 05:13 |
| furrywolf | it resumes, but I have to manually re-run apt-get and hit y... there's probably an option to not hit y... | 05:15 |
| meep_____ | y | 05:18 |
| meep_____ | -y | 05:18 |
| DonkeyHotei | -y, --yes, --assume-yes | 05:19 |
| meep_____ | Ur an out of date ISO golinux | 05:19 |
| furrywolf | ... and you're annoying? | 05:21 |
| golinux | That is true . . . | 05:21 |
| meep_____ | At least I'm not an out of date ISO | 05:22 |
| golinux | meep_____: First drive passed. | 05:22 |
| meep_____ | Great! | 05:22 |
| golinux | Starting the second one now | 05:22 |
| meep_____ | golinux: in case you didn't know you can run them in parallel | 05:22 |
| furrywolf | unfortunately, this download is taking way too long, and I'm going to need to stop using data in an hour or so... | 05:23 |
| golinux | Only one slot in the dock | 05:23 |
| golinux | furrywolf: Sorry you're having such a hassle | 05:24 |
| furrywolf | the problem is t-mobile. heh. | 05:24 |
| golinux | The problem is capitalism | 05:24 |
| golinux | (sorry for the OT) | 05:24 |
| furrywolf | yeah, but I can change ISPs a lot easier than I can change economies. | 05:25 |
| furrywolf | bleh, I'm going to have to use next month's data. | 05:34 |
| Xenguy | Are you trying the netinstall or w/e? | 05:38 |
| furrywolf | I'm trying to upgrade from ascii to devuan. I need to get 2.4GB of archives to do this, apparently. on t-mobile, this is easier and cheaper said than done. | 05:38 |
| furrywolf | I've been avoiding doing it until I had some data left over at the end of a billing period, but of course tonight the weather is wet and my download speed is crap... | 05:39 |
| furrywolf | the billing period ends in 11 minutes or an hour and 11 minutes... I don't remember which time zone they're in. | 05:39 |
| Xenguy | 2.4 GB seems like a lot for an upgrade, but maybe not. They do tend to grow in size. | 05:41 |
| Xenguy | Believe it or not, I used to use a dialup connection, leaving the download going all night. But that was free of course, if slow | 05:42 |
| furrywolf | I used dialup for many years, too. many, many years. I ran a BBS once... | 05:42 |
| Xenguy | I could upgrade after 1 night of downloading, on dialup = ) | 05:42 |
| Xenguy | That's cool | 05:43 |
| Xenguy | er, *coooooooooooool* | 05:43 |
| furrywolf | all anyone ever did on it was play tradewars. :P | 05:43 |
| Xenguy | I remember my first BBS (I didn't run one), and it was just fantastic | 05:43 |
| meep_____ | furrywolf: | 05:43 |
| meep_____ | Next time you install devuan | 05:43 |
| Xenguy | My first intro to anything online | 05:43 |
| * furrywolf ended up being a BOFH and editing the sector warp map when no one was online, so people would end up in sectors full of mines unexpectedly. | 05:43 | |
| meep_____ | You amy want to just use the netinst | 05:43 |
| meep_____ | Install the base system only | 05:43 |
| Xenguy | This is an upgrade | 05:44 |
| meep_____ | Disable autoinstalling reccomended and suggest, then install only what you need | 05:44 |
| furrywolf | meep_____: I am upgrading an existing ascii install, not installing from scratch. | 05:44 |
| meep_____ | Rather than installing the default XFCE desktop | 05:44 |
| furrywolf | I don't have the XFCE desktop. | 05:44 |
| meep_____ | I'd reccomend downloading the latest DWM sources and adding the systray patch | 05:44 |
| Xenguy | Sounds complicated | 05:45 |
| furrywolf | I don't want the XFCE desktop. | 05:45 |
| furrywolf | and I don't see why you're saying any of this, as none of it is remotely relevant? | 05:45 |
| Xenguy | .oO( It's like hurding cats, I tell ya! ) | 05:45 |
| meep_____ | Because then you'll only need to upgrade a few packages | 05:46 |
| meep_____ | Not hundreds of packages and several gigabytes | 05:46 |
| * Xenguy retreats to video-land ... | 05:47 | |
| furrywolf | again, for like the third time, THIS IS AN EXISTING INSTALL. I AM NOT INSTALLING A NEW SYSTEM. | 05:47 |
| meep_____ | Then start removing bloat from your current ascii install | 05:48 |
| meep_____ | Otherwise | 05:48 |
| meep_____ | You know what you need to do | 05:48 |
| furrywolf | is what I need to do called "/ignore"? | 05:49 |
| golinux | Ouch | 05:49 |
| meep_____ | Serves me right for trying to help someone | 05:49 |
| meep_____ | Whatever it is, you can stop complaining on here about having to download 2.7G if your going to respond to everyone's help like that | 05:50 |
| meep_____ | Or workarounds | 05:50 |
| furrywolf | your working around is "if you don't install anything, you'll have less to download". this is not useful help. | 05:51 |
| n4dir | people who discover they don't have to install a DE during installation are always very excited about it. | 05:53 |
| furrywolf | I don't have a DE. | 05:53 |
| furrywolf | I use icewm. it's nice and light. | 05:53 |
| n4dir | furrywolf: i didn't mean you. | 05:53 |
| meep_____ | I'm willing to bet most of that download is stuff you don't actually need or want | 05:54 |
| meep_____ | Just stuff APT auto-suggested or auto-reccomended to install | 05:54 |
| furrywolf | meep_____: and that you'd be correct on... but it's because everything these days has excessive dependencies, and drag in a whole tree of libraries for one random feature I'll never use. | 05:54 |
| meep_____ | Yeah but you can fix that by editing APT's config not to install reccomends and suggests | 05:55 |
| meep_____ | There's not a way to autoremove those though | 05:55 |
| furrywolf | (example: did you know gimp drags in pulseaudio, despite not having a single feature related to audio whatsoever?) | 05:55 |
| meep_____ | Hold on | 05:55 |
| meep_____ | I'm going to grab my laptop | 05:55 |
| furrywolf | I'm not installing recommends or suggests, unless I see something I want and manually install it. | 05:55 |
| meep_____ | Place this in your /etc/apt/apt.conf.d as 80noreccomends | 05:57 |
| n4dir | yeah, stuff like that gimp/pulse makes you pretty puzzled | 05:57 |
| furrywolf | meep_____: do you just talk without reading what people say? | 05:57 |
| n4dir | as i said: very excited ... | 05:57 |
| meep_____ | Do you? | 05:57 |
| furrywolf | n4dir: gimp uses sdl for something, sdl uses pulse for something... and it's all hard dependencies... | 05:57 |
| meep_____ | You seem to be only here to vent | 05:57 |
| meep_____ | And dismiss all help given to you | 05:58 |
| n4dir | furrywolf: i ran in similar these days, installed a lot the last few, all the time | 05:58 |
| furrywolf | (no, I don't know how "simple" or "direct" can possibly related to pulse, either...) | 05:58 |
| n4dir | so you got close to 3 Gigs of update for a full dist-upgrade and have to time it right due to the ISP, i got that righ? | 05:59 |
| meep_____ | If you ADJUSTs APT's settings, installing gimp won't pull in pulseaudio | 05:59 |
| furrywolf | again, it is a depdendency, not a recommends. | 06:00 |
| furrywolf | Package: gimp (2.10.8-2) | 06:03 |
| furrywolf | dep: libgegl-0.4-0 (>= 0.4.12) | 06:03 |
| furrywolf | Package: libgegl-0.4-0 (0.4.12-2) | 06:03 |
| furrywolf | dep: libsdl1.2debian (>= 1.2.11) | 06:03 |
| furrywolf | Package: libsdl1.2debian (1.2.15+dfsg2-4) | 06:03 |
| furrywolf | dep: libpulse0 (>= 0.99.1) | 06:03 |
| furrywolf | see how they all start with "dep"? | 06:04 |
| furrywolf | the only way to "adjust" apt would be of the dpkg --force-depends variety. | 06:04 |
| furrywolf | and I already said they were dependencies. | 06:05 |
| furrywolf | n4dir: exactly. | 06:07 |
| n4dir | yeah. Seems too suck. But not that much, i hope | 06:07 |
| furrywolf | n4dir: I usually am right at my data limit every month, so haven't been able to upgrade... finally had some data left this month, but today the connection is too slow, and I'm going to run out of time to use it. should have started the download earlier in the day, but work... | 06:07 |
| n4dir | ah yeah. | 06:07 |
| furrywolf | excessive dependencies is a real problem, and a shift in standard practice to dynamically loading libraries and disabling features if they're not present would be a very good thing, imho, as opposed to the current practice of linking against every single thing you might ever possibly use. | 06:09 |
| furrywolf | i.e. sdl should spit out "unable to output audio to pulse, libpulse not found" if you try using it to output audio to pulse, rather than depending on libpulse... | 06:10 |
| n4dir | yup, i agree | 06:11 |
| n4dir | I am always on really bad ressources, so stuff getting pulled in as a dependency, using ressources too, is a problem for me | 06:12 |
| n4dir | though i am not that much in the subject. avahi and gvfs (?) and such. I ran in those as deps these days | 06:12 |
| n4dir | stuff being installed which i don't need i can live with, but running all the time eating (little) ressources, that is a little problem for me | 06:13 |
| furrywolf | avahi is worse than useless. | 06:13 |
| n4dir | lol | 06:14 |
| furrywolf | I mean... have you ever used it? | 06:14 |
| furrywolf | or even heard of anyone using it? | 06:15 |
| n4dir | i couldn't even figure out what it is supposed to do. And no, in like 15 years i never heard anyone using it | 06:15 |
| n4dir | on another note: the other day i spoke with a friend, and we thought that pretty no one mentions icewm anymore. | 06:17 |
| furrywolf | yay, hasn't rolled over to next month yet, so they're not in eastern time... | 06:17 |
| furrywolf | I like icewm. :P | 06:17 |
| n4dir | hence i said it. I never really used it, but it really is nice | 06:17 |
| furrywolf | it's simple, fast, has a surprising amount of features for its size, has been updated to deal with FDO's menu crap,... | 06:17 |
| n4dir | (didn't use it for no reason) | 06:17 |
| n4dir | ah, no i remember, i ran in the need for easy tiling, and he told me out it's feature | 06:18 |
| n4dir | s/no/now | 06:18 |
| furrywolf | it has some tiling support, but I only use the default tiling, which is things open next to other things. | 06:19 |
| furrywolf | I'm not a tiling fan. | 06:19 |
| n4dir | yeah, something like that i think i needed, but finally i used e16 as a solution (its pager, not tiling) | 06:19 |
| n4dir | me neither | 06:19 |
| n4dir | i started doing audio stuff. My usual approach, one app full max per desktop didn't work anymore. So i looked for a solution | 06:20 |
| n4dir | e16 is nice too. Wondering why it is completely gone from debian ubuntu and what not | 06:21 |
| furrywolf | I have ten workspaces, is nice... | 06:21 |
| golinux | Getting off-topic | 06:21 |
| meep_____ | E16? | 06:22 |
| furrywolf | https://tracker.debian.org/news/476094/bug619707-removed-packages-from-unstable/ | 06:24 |
| furrywolf | https://packages.debian.org/buster/e17 | 06:25 |
| meep_____ | Oh | 06:25 |
| furrywolf | so e16 was replaced by e17 which was moved into enlightenment which was originally removed to be replaced by e16. | 06:25 |
| furrywolf | lol | 06:25 |
| meep_____ | I thought you meant the other e16 furrywolf | 06:25 |
| meep_____ | Lmao | 06:25 |
| furrywolf | I don't know what the other e16 is. | 06:26 |
| furrywolf | and you mean n4dir, not me. | 06:26 |
| meep_____ | No | 06:26 |
| n4dir | e17 and e16 are not exactly comparable | 06:29 |
| meep_____ | The website | 06:29 |
| furrywolf | well, in 2011, debian thought e17 was replacing e16, and removed e16... | 06:30 |
| n4dir | compiling it, including the download and all, takes less than 5 minutes. So no biggie | 06:31 |
| furrywolf | https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=619707 | 06:31 |
| furrywolf | bbl, time for me to head to bed... I guess I'll leave my laptop on and let it run into next month's data. it's 69% done at least... but I don't think it's finishing in the next 13 minutes. heh. | 06:47 |
| meep_____ | Break into the tower's servers and give youself unlimited data | 06:48 |
| meep_____ | Blueboxing 2.0 | 06:48 |
| * furrywolf is not sufficiently talented for that | 06:48 | |
| furrywolf | bbl | 06:51 |
| meep_____ | Goodnight furrywolf | 06:52 |
| FlibberTGibbet | is there any way to get php7.2 or 7.3 on ascii? | 13:45 |
| gnarface | FlibberTGibbet: you might be able to build it | 13:59 |
| gnarface | FlibberTGibbet: or you could just install beowulf in a chroot | 14:00 |
| Joril | What about https://packages.sury.org/php ? It has packets for Stretch | 14:05 |
| cgdae | hello, i'm having trouble creating a virtual machine with virt-manager. error message is: Unable to complete install: 'internal error: Unable to find 'devices' cgroups controller mount' | 14:10 |
| cgdae | i'm running devuan 3 (beowulf). have done 'apt update && apt upgrade' and rebooted, but problem still occurs. | 14:11 |
| cgdae | does anyone here have any ideas or suggestions? thanks. | 14:11 |
| gnarface | i think it's a permissions error to do with cgroups assignments but i'm not sure what you need to do | 14:19 |
| gnarface | i mean, other than change the permission | 14:20 |
| cgdae | gnarface: thanks. running virt-manager as root seems to be working. obviously not a good solution though. | 14:25 |
| FlibberTGibbet | gnarface: i just threw in the towel and upgraded to beowulf (after snapshotting the VM!) | 14:31 |
| DPA | cgdae: Are the cgroups mounted? If not, try installing cgroupfs-mount. | 14:31 |
| cgdae | DPA: thanks, i'll try that. | 15:13 |
| furrywolf | http://deb.devuan.org/merged unstable/main Sources is serving broken files that fail hash checks | 17:09 |
| brocashelm | you should be using ceres, not unstable for your sources.list | 17:09 |
| furrywolf | or deb.devuan.org is broken in general... http://deb.devuan.org/merged/pool/DEBIAN-SECURITY/updates/main/e/evince/gir1.2-evince-3.0_3.30.2-3+deb10u1_amd64.deb Hash Sum mismatch | 17:10 |
| brocashelm | i just checked and it's working fine | 17:10 |
| brocashelm | i sometimes get those errors and retry | 17:10 |
| xinomilo | also checked and running fine. could be some repo syncing , you should retry | 17:23 |
| ottavio | How can devuan redistribute unmodified Debian binary packages without breaking licences, e.g, the GPL? | 20:16 |
| mason | ottavio: That's easy. You can get the source from the same place. | 20:16 |
| ottavio | mason and where is the place? I can only see binaries. | 20:17 |
| golinux | Devuan is 99% pure debian. | 20:18 |
| ottavio | Where are the sources for each package? | 20:19 |
| golinux | Our repos serve debian packages | 20:19 |
| golinux | https://pkginfo.devuan.org/ | 20:19 |
| mason | ottavio: Add deb-src directives, get the source packages from the same place. | 20:20 |
| mason | ottavio: And ask the same thing of Debian, since in 99% of cases they're not the copyright holder either. | 20:20 |
| mason | ottavio: Reading the GPLv2 (which is the relevant version for lots of things) will nail down precisely what the obligations are. | 20:20 |
| ottavio | mason: this is not about holding a copyright, it's about distributing sources along with binaries. | 20:21 |
| ottavio | All I ask is where is the location of the sources. | 20:21 |
| golinux | Devuan-specific packages will have +devuan* in the filename | 20:21 |
| mason | ottavio: No, it's about a copyright and the license that allows the copyright holder to impose. | 20:21 |
| golinux | All other packages come directly from debian unaltered | 20:21 |
| ottavio | That doesn'treally answer my question. | 20:21 |
| mason | ottavio: As noted, add deb-src per our docs. You can't get the binaries without following largely the same instructions, so you'll know where to get them. | 20:22 |
| ottavio | Where is the location of deb-src? | 20:22 |
| mason | ottavio: in your /etc/apt/sources.list | 20:22 |
| mason | ottavio: As you're clearly interested in free software and the power of free software licenses, it's worth understanding the nuance, and reading the actual license is the best way to do that. For instance, there's no requirement that anyone put up source online. | 20:23 |
| mason | That people do is convenient and saves time and effort. | 20:23 |
| ottavio | OK so "deb-src http://deb.devuan.org/merged <release codename>-security main" will have to resolve a url. | 20:24 |
| ottavio | Is this deb-src repo searchable? | 20:25 |
| mason | man apt | 20:25 |
| mason | ottavio: If you have specific things you want to know, it might be worth rephrasing your questions, as they seem a bit like trolling off the bat. There are answers to all of them if we can agree on what the questions are. | 20:26 |
| ottavio | mason: all I'm asking if there is a searchable repo of the sources. I've looked into apt(8) but I haven't found the answer. | 20:27 |
| mason | ottavio: So, you can search a variety of ways, but to get the source for a package: apt source foo | 20:28 |
| mason | So, if you got bash, you might want its source. So apt source bash | 20:28 |
| mason | How you search is up to you. I like installing apt-file and using that. | 20:29 |
| mason | ottavio: And if you just want to browse around to find free software, let me point you at https://directory.fsf.org/wiki/Main_Page | 20:29 |
| ottavio | Answering my own question, there is a "source" directory in each $DIST. | 20:31 |
| ottavio | For example http://deb.devuan.org/merged/dists/ascii/main/source/. | 20:32 |
| ottavio | This is all I wanted to know. I'm sorry that you have taken it as an attempt at trolling. | 20:32 |
| ottavio | Still the sources point at the Debian servers. | 20:34 |
| mason | Sure. As the binaries come from there too. | 20:34 |
| mason | What's the concern there? | 20:34 |
| ottavio | No concern. I want to understand the mechanism. If I install something on my computer, I want to know where they come from. | 20:35 |
| mason | ottavio: Sure. So, in this case, you hit something that provides a custom overlay of Debian repositories, substituting specific bits that are needed to allow for a choice of init. | 20:36 |
| mason | But you can use the tools to access sources and binaries as though it were one source, because that's the magic. | 20:36 |
| rennj | need acct | 20:38 |
| golinux | ? | 20:38 |
| rennj | https://devuan.org/os/install | 20:38 |
| rennj | Devuan-specific and forked source code is available on our git store. | 20:38 |
| rennj | https://git.devuan.org/org/devuan/teams/packages/repositories | 20:38 |
| rennj | lame | 20:39 |
| rennj | anonymous@ | 20:39 |
| rennj | https://git.devuan.org/devuan/www.devuan.org/src/branch/new-beta/source | 20:40 |
| golinux | What are you trying to say? | 20:40 |
| golinux | Is there a question in there? | 20:40 |
| rennj | ottavio> mason: all I'm asking if there is a searchable repo of the sources. I've looked into apt(8) but I haven't found the answer. | 20:41 |
| rennj | well according to the https://devuan.org/os/install Devuan-specific and forked source code is available on our git store | 20:41 |
| rennj | which seems to need an account | 20:41 |
| golinux | Of course. | 20:41 |
| rennj | if you follow the links | 20:41 |
| fsmithred | rennj, look at git.devuan.org | 20:41 |
| mason | rennj: apt source will still work anyway | 20:41 |
| ottavio | rennj: I wasn't asking about forked code, I was asking about unmodfied packages. | 20:42 |
| ottavio | which are actually in /devuan/pool/main | 20:42 |
| fsmithred | debian has the sources for the unmodified packages | 20:42 |
| golinux | fsmithred to the rescue. I can go get some lunch | 20:43 |
| ottavio | The sources are also on deb.devuan.org but I got confused between /devuan and /merged | 20:43 |
| fsmithred | anything in /devuan is stuff that we changed | 20:45 |
| fsmithred | and /merged provides both forked and pure debian packages. | 20:46 |
| fsmithred | make sense? | 20:47 |
| fsmithred | if you go to our server in a web browser and look in /pool, you will only find our forked packages. | 20:47 |
| brocashelm | what about experimental? | 20:56 |
| brocashelm | i got some xfce upgrades through debian experimental because there was almost nothing via devuan experimental | 20:57 |
| mason | With anything newer than stable, there's the risk that something with a hard dependency on systemd will slip in, FWIW. | 21:00 |
| brocashelm | yeah, i've been on ceres for quite a while | 21:02 |
| brocashelm | i'm taking note of things like network-manager after that mailing list fiasco the other day | 21:03 |
| fsmithred | why did that pop up all of a sudden? | 21:03 |
| fsmithred | brocashelm, there may be a few devuan packages in experimental, but I don't think we use it much. | 21:04 |
| brocashelm | ok | 21:05 |
| brocashelm | just wondering what it was for | 21:06 |
| brocashelm | it was nice getting a bit of a newer xfce. only had a few hiccups that got stabilized after some tweaks | 21:06 |
| brocashelm | although i noticed the csd shit like on the panel preferences windows | 21:07 |
| fsmithred | you know about the nocsd package? | 21:07 |
| brocashelm | maybe i should've tried the xfce-classic fork? | 21:07 |
| meep_____ | Soystemd? | 21:07 |
| meep_____ | I'd just like to interject for a moment. What your referring to as GNU/Linux is in fact Soystemd/Snaps | 21:08 |
| brocashelm | i have gtk3-nocsd installed | 21:08 |
| fsmithred | yeah, that one | 21:08 |
| meep_____ | Or as I've recently taken to calling it soystemd+snap | 21:08 |
| brocashelm | lol | 21:09 |
| fsmithred | there's also a gtk3-nooverlayscrollbar that goes with the cinnabar and darkpurpy themes, but you'd have to pull those from beowulf | 21:09 |
| meep_____ | Made possible by the EEE tactics on behalf of RedHat, Canonical, and our Platinum Linux Foundation member Micro$haft | 21:09 |
| brocashelm | got it. i guess i forgot to edit ~/.xsessionrc | 21:09 |
| meep_____ | And GNOME3. Our slogan is: "We don't have ideas, we just copy OSX...poorly" | 21:11 |
| mason | meep_____: When you look at the relationship between launchd and systemd, that takes on additional layers of humour. | 21:16 |
| meep_____ | ;) | 21:17 |
| golinux | meep_____: Wrong channel for your rants | 21:38 |
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