mason | systemdlete: We had what looked like a bad slot in my younger stepson's computer, but now I suspect that it's a marginal slot, and running the system a bit while reseating his memory wiggled something into place. Dunno. We're going to have to replace his motherboard/CPU/RAM I think. | 00:49 |
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mason | Might be a good opportunity to move him onto Devuan, since he's on Ubuntu at present. | 00:49 |
systemdlete | YOu should probably sit down with him, calmly, and discuss what losing systemd means to him. You know, you talk, then let him talk a bit, let him express his feelings about losing systemd. It will be hard at first, but eventually he will come around. Just be patient, OK? | 01:01 |
systemdlete | This will help avoid him being traumatized and never feeling his OS is "normal" again. | 01:02 |
mason | :P | 01:02 |
systemdlete | (having some fun here) | 01:03 |
systemdlete | (in the support channel, no less) | 01:03 |
systemdlete | So, mason, do you think I should let the memtest run some more? It's completed one pass, no errors. | 01:04 |
mason | There's good reason to stick to #devuan-offtopic for off-topic things, especially if the channel's busy. Obviously there's a range of tolerance for this. | 01:04 |
systemdlete | (That depends whose nick we are talking about) | 01:04 |
mason | systemdlete: If your initial issue is a crash, but it only happened once, yeah, I wouldn't want to blame memory too much. Does dmidecode no memory errors? | 01:04 |
mason | s/no memory/show memory/ | 01:04 |
mason | (Is this ECC?) | 01:04 |
systemdlete | hmmm. | 01:05 |
* golinux is watching. | 01:07 | |
systemdlete | https://www.corsair.com/us/en/Categories/Products/Memory/XMS3-%E2%80%94-16GB-%282x8GB%29-DDR3-1333MHz-C9-Memory-Kit/p/CMX16GX3M2A1333C9#tab-overview | 01:08 |
systemdlete | No mention of ECC. | 01:08 |
mason | gnarface: o/ | 01:08 |
systemdlete | golinux: Hello officer! How are you this sunny day? | 01:09 |
systemdlete | :D | 01:09 |
mason | systemdlete: There's no need for that. | 01:09 |
systemdlete | j/k | 01:10 |
systemdlete | anyway, it's not ECC | 01:10 |
systemdlete | Could I use ECC in the same slots though? Or does the board have to support it? | 01:10 |
mason | systemdlete: The board would have to support it. What's the model? | 01:10 |
systemdlete | ASUS M5A7L-M/USB3 | 01:11 |
systemdlete | manual right here | 01:11 |
systemdlete | M5A78L-M/USB3 | 01:11 |
mason | Was going to ask if that's what you meant. | 01:11 |
mason | systemdlete: Yes, that does support ECC RAM: https://www.asus.com/us/Motherboards/M5A78LMUSB3/specifications/ | 01:12 |
systemdlete | But I don't think the memory is ECC | 01:13 |
mason | Almost certainly not unless you went for ECC explicitly. | 01:13 |
systemdlete | If it is, corsair doesn't say so on its support page | 01:14 |
systemdlete | In the past, I've been told NOT to get ECC memory. Not sure why, but there was some reason for that at one time. But I may be carrying some old baggage about that from decades ago. | 01:15 |
systemdlete | Anyway, I always avoided it because of that ancient admonition. | 01:15 |
mason | It's more expensive, and it can be slower since it's doing more. | 01:15 |
systemdlete | maybe uses slightly more power? Years ago, that could have made a significant difference, idk | 01:16 |
mason | That might be too. It's more chips for the same storage. | 01:16 |
systemdlete | right. | 01:17 |
systemdlete | If I wind up upgrading the board to a mb that takes up to 64gb, I might go ahead and splurge on ECC. If I am buying that much memory, I doubt the additional $50 or so will matter much. | 01:18 |
systemdlete | But I am hoping to get a few more years out of the current board. | 01:18 |
systemdlete | I only bought the new board as a backup in case this one decides to blow a capacitor or the like. | 01:19 |
mason | The QVL for that doesn't call out ECC. Dunno. But the age of the board would make me want to think about replacing it rather than replacing all the RAM. | 01:20 |
systemdlete | It was brand new when I put it in about 3-4 years ago. I know the board is "antique" in terms of the technology, but I prefer staying 1 generation behind anyway. | 01:22 |
systemdlete | Mainly to avoid the kinds of headaches I've had with the laptop, which is 2019 tech and I've faced some challenges getting stuff to work. | 01:22 |
mason | Alright. That's reasonable then. | 01:24 |
systemdlete | Honestly, I wouldn't mind picking up another one of these m5A78l-m/usb3 boards (or similar) if I can find it under $50 just because it has been a very solid board. | 01:27 |
systemdlete | Or at least, it has presented far fewer issues than any of the ones I've had previously, including limited memory slots, and other limitations. | 01:28 |
systemdlete | OTOH, finding AM3/AM3+ hardware is getting increasingly harder to find now. | 01:28 |
systemdlete | If I do find some it is usually expensive. | 01:28 |
systemdlete | (read: more than I want to pay) | 01:29 |
mason | systemdlete: Come to #devuan-offtopic for this. | 01:29 |
mason | I linger there. | 01:29 |
systemdlete | sure | 01:29 |
mason | One channel over -> | 01:29 |
systemdlete | devuan live boot sings at bootup? | 18:35 |
fsmithred | huh? | 18:35 |
systemdlete | it plays a tune when it gets to the boot prompt? | 18:35 |
fsmithred | you using the minimal-live? | 18:35 |
systemdlete | yes | 18:35 |
fsmithred | that's so you can do it without looking at the screen | 18:36 |
systemdlete | sort of "doo-doo DOOdoo doo" | 18:36 |
golinux | That iso is for visually impained | 18:36 |
systemdlete | ok | 18:36 |
fsmithred | the speech option is between the tones | 18:36 |
fsmithred | and it will read the whole installation process to you | 18:36 |
systemdlete | Ah, ok fine | 18:36 |
systemdlete | Just checking... | 18:36 |
fsmithred | but from your description, you got some different sounds. | 18:37 |
golinux | Maybe what is needed isn't installed | 18:38 |
systemdlete | I guess I'd describe it as 1-2-3-2-1 | 18:53 |
systemdlete | might be more accurate. | 18:54 |
systemdlete | I'd try to describe it using musical notation, but I am not very adept at that. | 18:54 |
systemdlete | Is there a way to install from live? (just wondering) | 18:58 |
systemdlete | not that I want to | 18:58 |
debdog | yes, it's called refracta | 19:00 |
systemdlete | iow, no | 19:01 |
systemdlete | ty | 19:01 |
fsmithred | refractainstaller | 19:04 |
systemdlete | does that installer have expert mode for, say, a minimal install? | 19:23 |
fsmithred | systemdlete, the live installer just installs (copies) what's in the iso | 19:27 |
fsmithred | you could make changes while running in the live system, and those changes would be carried over to the install, but you might need a lot of ram to do that. | 19:28 |
fsmithred | live isos also have debootstrap installed, so you could use them for that kind of install | 19:28 |
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