| DPA | systemdlete: I think that can happen if the /var/log/[uwb]tmp files are missing. Not sure which one it needs. Logins are only logged in there if the file already exists. | 08:26 |
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| systemdlete | Well, I did *nothing* other than reboot. The wtmp file is there now. Maybe rebooting creates the file? | 08:29 |
| systemdlete | The question, though, is why it disappeared at some point before I rebooted. | 08:29 |
| fsmithred | systemdlete, lvm with refractainstaller is not difficult: https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?id=2323 | 11:43 |
| unixbsd | For debootstrap failing regularly, I create my own apache server, mount DVD devuan iso on it /var/www .. and then I can debootstrap cleanly. it works. | 13:50 |
| unixbsd | In August, debootstrap wasnt working either. quite unstable. | 13:51 |
| unixbsd | i havent tested yesterday | 13:51 |
| luser977 | did you see firefox update to 78.4.1 esr today? | 16:04 |
| fsmithred | 78.4.1esr-1~deb10u1 is in beowulf-security | 16:12 |
| luser977 | it updated in-app here, not from repo. | 16:53 |
| Joril | Thunderbird on Linux auto-updating? That doesn't look good | 16:59 |
| xinomilo | if you installed from upstream it auto-updates. if you installed from deb repo it doesn't.. | 17:02 |
| luser977 | i edited about:config to make it ask permission. default .deb auto updates from firefox.com | 17:11 |
| gnarface | luser977: debian doesnt' support out-of-band updates. don't do this. | 17:12 |
| gnarface | or well, do it at your own risk | 17:13 |
| gnarface | if mozilla releases updates that debian thinks are actually important, they'll be included in the next beowulf-security update | 17:15 |
| luser977 | 78.4.1esr-1~deb10u1 is included as fsmithred said and i just checked now | 17:15 |
| gnarface | any other option means bypassing Debian support, and thereby also Devuan support | 17:15 |
| user_____ | I don't expect #devuan to offer any support other than to install/deinstall the official .deb ff package really. | 17:17 |
| gnarface | they actually review every line of every patch with human eyes, and integrate it manually | 17:18 |
| fsmithred | they=debian | 17:18 |
| gnarface | yes, the scenario where they (debian) just blindly introduces binary stuff to main is imaginary | 17:18 |
| user_____ | Human eyes are somewhat thwarted by encrypted sqlite3 databases holding default configs as shipped in the ff. | 17:19 |
| fsmithred | and we inherit their changes | 17:19 |
| gnarface | now, non-free on the other hand isn't always very well audited.... | 17:19 |
| user_____ | isn't ff in the non free channel anyway? | 17:19 |
| gnarface | but getting direct updates from Mozilla through their built-in backchannel is bascially just like drinking unfiltered greywater | 17:19 |
| gnarface | no, ff is actually in main | 17:19 |
| user_____ | interesting, thanks for pointing that out | 17:19 |
| gnarface | uh... oh but beowulf might still only have firefox-esr becasue Rust became a build dependency but didn't clear the Buster freeze | 17:20 |
| gnarface | but even that isn't about licensing as much as just Mozilla not meeting deadlines | 17:21 |
| user_____ | just for laughs, anyone who did not edit about:config to change the default update options in ff 78.4.1 :: do you see auto update (from ff.com) on or off in settings? | 17:21 |
| user_____ | because no ff distributed by debian as .deb so far has had any way to update itself other than from ff.com | 17:22 |
| gnarface | well, you're supposed to update it with the built-in distro tools, not it's own mechanism | 17:24 |
| user_____ | yes. But it is safer [tm] to toggle the built in ff Preferences [update] setting to "check for updates and ask" instead of "auto install" which is the default as-shipped :) | 17:24 |
| gnarface | where are you actually seeing that preference setting? | 17:25 |
| gnarface | because i'm not finding it here | 17:25 |
| gnarface | i think my preferences panel just has a link to firefox.com instead | 17:26 |
| user_____ | ff Edit -> Preferences ;; enter update in search box -> Allow Forefox to: ... | 17:26 |
| user_____ | Interesting, I will try to sort this later. There must be a difference between the deb shipped ff and the upstream. | 17:26 |
| gnarface | hmm. | 17:26 |
| gnarface | the test "Allow Firefox to:" doesn't even appear when i enter that search | 17:26 |
| gnarface | instead, i get "Firefox Home Content" | 17:27 |
| gnarface | Choose what content you want on your Firefox Home screen. | 17:27 |
| user_____ | Sounds like I've been kidnapped by the oem's version :) | 17:27 |
| gnarface | (4 unchecked boxes) | 17:27 |
| gnarface | i think so | 17:27 |
| gnarface | i think you're not even seen the same preferences panel as us anymore | 17:27 |
| user_____ | indeed | 17:27 |
| gnarface | Debian would have disabled this functionality in as cheap and low-impact way as possible, which would mean you could easily sabotage yourself by re-enabling it manually | 17:28 |
| user_____ | I will sort this later, need to do some things. Adblock etc seem to work as before the update. | 17:28 |
| gnarface | it *might* get around the root permissions barricade by bundling updates into your ~/.mozilla/ directory somewhere. maybe you can roll back to the system version by just purging ~/.mozilla/ | 17:29 |
| gnarface | not sure though | 17:30 |
| user_____ | that is very unsafe, the working profiles are there | 17:30 |
| gnarface | if you ever ran it as root all bets are off | 17:30 |
| user_____ | never ran it as root, but the system is not particularly secured | 17:30 |
| user_____ | I am not worried. Yet. | 17:30 |
| gnarface | well, let me remind you that you already crossed the furthest extent of lines drawn in the sand to protect you | 17:30 |
| user_____ | Yeah, need to feed the sandworms. | 17:30 |
| gnarface | so saying "that is very unsafe" is kinda hysterical right now | 17:31 |
| gnarface | i would suggest don't actually delete ~/.mozilla/ to test this theory, simply rename it temporarily so that you can put it back | 17:31 |
| user_____ | I did the deletion thing before once, it's filed away tagged "never do that again" | 17:32 |
| user_____ | <unrelated> EU is trying to puss master decryption keys for all online services. Devuan will be affected if it passes. | 17:33 |
| user_____ | *push | 17:33 |
| user_____ | Imagine every server would have to have a "master' key permitting "authorized persons" to access it at any time. I'm sure systemd can provide that (indirectly). | 17:34 |
| user_____ | Hey, maybe the ubuntu desktop exploit I linked in #*-offtopic is that universal access means! | 17:45 |
| gnarface | user_____: leave it in #devuan-offtopic. this channel is for support. | 17:46 |
| user_____ | yes | 17:46 |
| Wonka | https://mobile.twitter.com/jonty/status/1326285073243582468 | 20:00 |
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