| Helle | tuxd3v: it follows the Debian system for it, so a package from unstable will move to testing if no critical bugs exist after a certain time, until testing is frozen in preparation for release | 00:00 |
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| tuxd3v | Helle, thanks | 00:00 |
| tuxd3v | but it could be substituted by other version in the mean time right? | 00:00 |
| gnarface | i think we're nowhere near the chimera freeze yet though, so all bets are still off | 00:00 |
| tuxd3v | gnarface, thanks :) | 00:01 |
| gnarface | yea, until the freeze they may upgrade it, down grade it, or remove it entirely | 00:01 |
| Helle | (experimental adds another layer for packages that are basically expected to have unknown, but probably critical bugs) | 00:01 |
| fsmithred | yeah, soft freeze starts in january, final freeze not set yet, but some time after March | 00:01 |
| tuxd3v | I was thinking in pudating a library to reflect changes in chimaera one, but its better to wait, for the real final version and that means stable | 00:02 |
| Helle | fsmithred: soft ice, sundae, icecream, shaved ice and iceberg levels of freeze ? :P | 00:02 |
| tuxd3v | fsmithred, thanks | 00:02 |
| fsmithred | ice cream, please | 00:02 |
| tuxd3v | I think I will wait for the freeze | 00:02 |
| tuxd3v | :) | 00:02 |
| tuxd3v | I mean soft freeze :D | 00:03 |
| fsmithred | that will be soon | 00:04 |
| Xenguy | Here's a hypothetical scenario: You buy a new PC and decide, with glee, to overwrite W10, Cortana, and the gang, with Devuan (beowulf)! You find it fun, but then comes the part about having to reinstall all the software that's already on your usual go-to PC... | 02:11 |
| fsmithred | there are a few ways to deal with that | 02:12 |
| Xenguy | There used to be this old trick where you could do this on your existing/non-new PC: dpkg --set-selections | 02:12 |
| fsmithred | dpkg get-selections/set- | 02:12 |
| fsmithred | yeah | 02:12 |
| Xenguy | Yeah, now this used to work cos I remember, long ago, doing it... | 02:12 |
| fsmithred | refractasnapshot and installer | 02:12 |
| fsmithred | if you want exactly the same thing | 02:13 |
| Xenguy | But now dpkg coughs up an error, so I had to use messier methods to get my way | 02:13 |
| fsmithred | what error? | 02:13 |
| Xenguy | OK, I was thinking you might say that | 02:13 |
| fsmithred | boot live and rsync the system over | 02:13 |
| Xenguy | But that is exactly the same thing, true | 02:14 |
| Xenguy | Can I use refracta to rsync a sub-set? | 02:14 |
| fsmithred | a refracta iso? yeah, it has rsync and openssh-server installed and running | 02:14 |
| fsmithred | boot, mount, then connect from the old machine | 02:15 |
| Xenguy | BTW, while I think of it, when I did the fresh beowulf install, I noticed there was no 'rsync' installed by default, and was a bit surprised, cos I use rsync so much | 02:15 |
| fsmithred | that fact is how I got started making my own live isos | 02:16 |
| Xenguy | I've been cheating and just schlepping data around by external drives | 02:16 |
| fsmithred | I don't take a desktop when I do a netinstall | 02:17 |
| fsmithred | just standard system utils | 02:17 |
| fsmithred | then add stuff after reboot | 02:17 |
| fsmithred | without recommends and mostly without metapackages | 02:17 |
| Xenguy | BTW, what is the issue with recommends? It seems to be turning up as an issue a lot lately... | 02:18 |
| Xenguy | Shouldn't recommends be suppressed by default? | 02:19 |
| Xenguy | i.e. opt-in, not opt-out | 02:19 |
| gnarface | defaults are set upstream | 02:19 |
| gnarface | it's easy to override | 02:19 |
| Xenguy | So if I install something with apt-get, is it automatically pulling in recommends? | 02:20 |
| gnarface | unless you disable it, yes | 02:20 |
| Xenguy | Damn, don't like that | 02:20 |
| Xenguy | So is there a CLI option for disabling that? | 02:20 |
| fsmithred | you can disable it per command... | 02:20 |
| Xenguy | bingo | 02:20 |
| gnarface | i think what Debian changed was how much stuff they're recommending, and the agenda for doing so | 02:20 |
| fsmithred | apt --no-install-recommends install <package> | 02:20 |
| Xenguy | thanks folks | 02:21 |
| fsmithred | or aptitude -R install <package> | 02:21 |
| Xenguy | Same for apt-get I assume | 02:21 |
| Xenguy | I don't use aptitude | 02:21 |
| gnarface | yes, apt-get also obeys --no-install-recommends | 02:21 |
| fsmithred | yeah, apt-get is like apt. Only the long form | 02:21 |
| Xenguy | yay | 02:21 |
| fsmithred | one more... | 02:21 |
| fsmithred | $ cat /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/00norecommends | 02:22 |
| fsmithred | APT::Install-Recommends "no"; | 02:22 |
| gnarface | yea, here's how you make it permanent ^ | 02:22 |
| fsmithred | I wish there was --with-recommends | 02:22 |
| Xenguy | That's the ticket then, thanks again. | 02:22 |
| Xenguy | It should be opt-in, yes, definitely | 02:22 |
| Xenguy | We should be aiming for less bloat, not more bloat | 02:22 |
| gnarface | as for the --get-selections/--set-selections thing, i can only suggest check the actual error. i vaguely remember having to strip that list of extraneous markers before feeding it back in | 02:23 |
| fsmithred | yeah, you get-selections, then you wipe all the selections, then you set them | 02:23 |
| Xenguy | When you did the 'set', it used to just do as it was told... | 02:23 |
| gnarface | you also have to run some other command afterwards to get the changes to "take" but i always forget what it is | 02:23 |
| fsmithred | and you get a half-paragraph warning in the middle when the package system is about to be blanked | 02:23 |
| Xenguy | But this time, it was like the 'database' didn't accept the new 'set' instructions' | 02:23 |
| fsmithred | I wrote a script to do this automatically a long time ago | 02:24 |
| fsmithred | not sure if it still works | 02:24 |
| Xenguy | I'll research it further, cos it was a good trick, and seemed to work fine, mostly | 02:24 |
| Xenguy | brb fsmithred | 02:24 |
| fsmithred | and check OT, I got something for you there, too. | 02:25 |
| fsmithred | https://github.com/fsmithred/scripts/blob/master/get-selections.sh | 02:27 |
| fsmithred | https://github.com/fsmithred/scripts/blob/master/set-selections.sh | 02:27 |
| Xenguy | thanks gnarface | 02:28 |
| Xenguy | fsmithred: Have you used those scripts recently, I'm just curious | 02:28 |
| fsmithred | jessie or wheezy, I think | 02:28 |
| fsmithred | read the notes and look at the commands | 02:29 |
| Xenguy | I haven't looked at them yet, but I'll snag em, thanks kindly | 02:29 |
| Xenguy | shall do | 02:29 |
| gehenna | has anyone else problem to connect to the forum? | 10:35 |
| clort | i have great problems with internet and various sites since two days | 11:04 |
| gehenna | for some reason I can connect from Tor Browser but not from firefox. Other sites working fine | 11:17 |
| DivanSantana | How is devuan doing as a distro? In terms of popularity and support. Development etc? Hopefully it will succeed in contiuning the history of debian. | 13:08 |
| DivanSantana | I do run devuan on my server and a few systems at home. But am considering it for enterprise in light of centos accouncement and direction. Though majority of other projects are still not thinking about devuan and primarily support debian and ubuntu which is unfortunate. Would be nice if that changed. | 13:09 |
| r3boot | DivanSantana: debian is far from dead: https://distrowatch.com/dwres.php?resource=popularity | 13:35 |
| r3boot | also, from the looks of it, there will be a 'new' centos in the form of rockylinux | 13:35 |
| DivanSantana | r3boot: I didn't imply debian was dead did i? | 13:36 |
| r3boot | depends on how you parse your first sentence | 13:36 |
| aitor_ | hi | 22:55 |
| aitor_ | after reading some documentation in the forum of gentoo and looking at some patches taken from netBSD, today i built the packages of Gtk3 separating the *atk-bridge* accesibility part, which depends on dbus | 23:00 |
| stevelitt | My tlmgr stopped working, though I changed nothing. tlmgr gui now doesn't run but instead throws error "Can't locate tlmgrgui.pl" and describes the Perl path, which contains nothing related to Texlive. There exist on disk, however, a 020/texmf-dist/scripts/texlive/tlmgrgui.p and a /opt/texlive2020-installer/texmf-dist/scripts/texlive/tlmgrgui.pl and a /usr/share/texmf-dist/scripts/texlive/tlmgrgui.pl. So it looks like I have | 23:03 |
| stevelitt | the wrong Perl path. But I've never had to tweak the Perlpath before to get Tlmgr to work. Did something change? | 23:03 |
| aitor_ | i never used it | 23:05 |
| aitor_ | steve: maybe you have replicated installations by different ways, being the native installation in /opt | 23:35 |
| aitor_ | https://www.reddit.com/r/voidlinux/comments/ikomnx/texlive_tlmgr_issue/ | 23:35 |
| aitor_ | good luck, bye | 23:37 |
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