DashiePie | hello | 05:22 |
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DashiePie | I have a question, if anyone's available | 05:22 |
debdog | shoot | 05:24 |
DashiePie | so, I'm trying to install something in Wine, and I need wine-gecko, where could I find that? | 05:25 |
debdog | it should™ ask for permission to download and install it when running a wineprefix for the first time | 05:26 |
DashiePie | I don't remember if it did, but I don't think it did | 05:26 |
gnarface | DashiePie: use the wine-gecko it asks to install on a fresh prefix | 05:26 |
debdog | otherwise: https://wiki.winehq.org/Gecko | 05:27 |
gnarface | DashiePie: (but use the mono package from the repo) | 05:27 |
DashiePie | so, which one of those do I use for wine 4.0? | 05:51 |
debdog | good question. I'd try 2.47 and 2.47.1 | 05:53 |
DashiePie | 2.47 worked, thanks guys | 06:04 |
tuxd3v | new improvements to power management for AMD graphics cards are queued for linux 5.11.. | 17:01 |
tuxd3v | I assume they wilkl be backported to the 5,10 LTS.. | 17:01 |
tuxd3v | err, wilkl -> will | 17:01 |
sixwheeledbeast | navi or big navi? | 21:00 |
tuxd3v | sixwheeledbeast, for a lot of boards, a lost of improvements but the part that interests me is - GCN 1.1 Sea Islands GPU power management :) | 22:20 |
sixwheeledbeast | oh that old, I upgraded from Cape Verde to Polaris a while back. | 22:23 |
tuxd3v | yeah , I have a Kavery APU :) | 22:24 |
tuxd3v | it has a r7 inside :) | 22:24 |
tuxd3v | GCN 1.1 | 22:24 |
suavedandy | How often do backports get upgraded? | 22:25 |
suavedandy | Thought about backporting the kernel. | 22:25 |
suavedandy | Having some problems with the swapfile on BtrFS. | 22:25 |
tuxd3v | I just use ext4, for fs and Zram for swap :) | 22:26 |
fsmithred | suavedandy, wheneverly | 22:26 |
suavedandy | I wanted to install BtrFS so I won't screw everything up. | 22:27 |
fsmithred | it's up to whoever backported it | 22:27 |
fsmithred | avoiding btrfs would increase the odds of not screwing up | 22:27 |
suavedandy | But backups… | 22:28 |
suavedandy | I mean, snapshots. | 22:28 |
suavedandy | Rollback, yes. | 22:28 |
suavedandy | Rollback. | 22:28 |
fsmithred | there are ways to get those things without btrfs | 22:28 |
suavedandy | Restore points. What if I'll screw up the configs? | 22:28 |
fsmithred | I used to always make a backup copy before editing a config file. I rarely do it now. | 22:29 |
fsmithred | I think rsnapshot does what you want. Not sure. | 22:30 |
suavedandy | But if the maintainer upgrades the backport wheneverly, does that mean I'll have to update and upgrade every week? | 22:31 |
fsmithred | huh? | 22:31 |
fsmithred | what backport are you looking for? | 22:31 |
suavedandy | The kernel. | 22:31 |
suavedandy | linux-images-amd64 and and linux-headers-amd64 | 22:32 |
fsmithred | those will probably continue to be backported until bullseye settles on a kernel. | 22:32 |
fsmithred | final freeze will happen some undetermined date after next March | 22:32 |
fsmithred | why would you have to keep upgrading it? | 22:33 |
suavedandy | To keep it up-to-date? | 22:33 |
fsmithred | I assume you need a newer kernel for some newer hardware | 22:33 |
suavedandy | How often do you upgrade backports? | 22:33 |
fsmithred | in which case you use what works | 22:33 |
fsmithred | never | 22:33 |
fsmithred | I don't have anything in backports | 22:34 |
suavedandy | I mean, I thought backports are kinda rolling. Like Arch. | 22:34 |
fsmithred | anto backports mate and cinnamon | 22:34 |
suavedandy | fsmithred: Nah, just for BtrFS. | 22:34 |
fsmithred | kernels are backported to support new hardware. Same with firmware (occasionally) | 22:35 |
fsmithred | that's important because debian always uses old software | 22:35 |
suavedandy | Swap files don't work with BtrFS on kernel version <5.0. | 22:35 |
fsmithred | what's in backports now? | 22:35 |
suavedandy | 5.9. | 22:35 |
fsmithred | oh < | 22:35 |
fsmithred | so any of those should work | 22:35 |
fsmithred | if you want to pay attention to kernel security updates, look at chimaera. Backports will follow (maybe) | 22:36 |
sammi`_ | never thought that systemd-free debian is such active | 22:55 |
gnarface | people trying to trace the installation base by the amount of noise in this channel are going to get their metrics very far off, i think | 22:57 |
fsmithred | lol | 22:57 |
suavedandy | I think it's just people being helpful here. | 22:58 |
n4dir | in #linux you hear devuan mentioned not that seldom. Not all the time, but some seem to have it in their mind. That the word devuan pops up in #debian now and then seems obvious | 22:58 |
n4dir | in my experience at least more often than antix/MX | 22:58 |
suavedandy | Those are newer, I think. | 22:59 |
n4dir | newer? | 22:59 |
suavedandy | Devuan kinda got forked when Devuan devs changed their minds regarding SysVinit. | 23:00 |
suavedandy | A portion of the devs disagreed with Debian adding systemd. | 23:00 |
suavedandy | And it was a looooooong time ago. | 23:00 |
fsmithred | huh? We didn't change our minds about sysvinit. | 23:01 |
gnarface | i think the first "devuan" in that sentence was a typo and meant to be "debian" | 23:01 |
suavedandy | I'm talking about Debian shipping systemd | 23:01 |
mason | I think one of the preceding line's Devuans was intended... that | 23:01 |
fsmithred | thousands of people disagreed with debian's choice | 23:01 |
suavedandy | I know that the init question is still highly debated in Devuan forums. | 23:01 |
suavedandy | *Debian | 23:01 |
fsmithred | no it's not | 23:02 |
fsmithred | not debated | 23:02 |
gnarface | anyway, it wasn't that long ago either. go make me feel old with offtopic stuff in #devuan-offtopic | 23:02 |
fsmithred | we get a little upset every time someone upstream drops the init scripts from a package | 23:02 |
fsmithred | yeah, thanks gnarface | 23:02 |
n4dir | well, as far it is me: not much point in discussing it. Debian uses systemd. If you don't want systemd, best is to use a different OS | 23:02 |
suavedandy | I remember Debian devs discussing replacing systemd in their mailing list. | 23:02 |
n4dir | it only leads to trouble discussing it. | 23:02 |
n4dir | i replaced systemd with sysv, and that did work. But it really is kinda pointless. imho. | 23:03 |
suavedandy | fsmithred made cool Refracta installer tho. Good compromise between the standard Debian installer and debootstrap, IMHO. | 23:05 |
suavedandy | There's another reason to install Devuan. | 23:05 |
suavedandy | It's more… willing to experiment, I think? | 23:06 |
suavedandy | The guys are still adding more init systems. | 23:06 |
fsmithred | OT | 23:06 |
suavedandy | Sorry. | 23:06 |
suavedandy | Damn, that happens sometimes. | 23:07 |
aitor_ | dconf-service now depends explicitly on a package named dbus-session-bus, and this is a virtual package pointing directly to dbus: | 23:29 |
aitor_ | https://packages.debian.org/buster/dconf-service | 23:29 |
aitor_ | this dependency didn't exist in stretch: | 23:29 |
aitor_ | https://packages.debian.org/stretch/dconf-service | 23:29 |
aitor_ | i removed it because i consider it superfluous | 23:30 |
aitor_ | otherwise libgtk-3-dev wouldn't be installable without dbus | 23:32 |
aitor_ | dconf-service is present in the package_list of fsmithred's nondbus iso image based on ascii, together with dconf-gsettings-backend | 23:33 |
fsmithred | really? | 23:34 |
aitor_ | yes | 23:34 |
fsmithred | I did not remember and would have guessed otherwise. | 23:34 |
aitor_ | the changelog says: Make dconf-service pull default-dbus-session-bus | dbus-session-bus, this way leaf packages don't have to add this explicitly (Closes: #849095) | 23:37 |
aitor_ | dated on 15 Oct 2017 | 23:37 |
aitor_ | it makes no sense | 23:38 |
aitor_ | according to d/changelog, the changes related to dbus are previous to your building | 23:40 |
aitor_ | fsmithred: i'm building a dbus mitigated repository, it might be interesting for your experimental images | 23:41 |
fsmithred | upi | 23:42 |
fsmithred | re | 23:42 |
fsmithred | \ | 23:42 |
fsmithred | fuck | 23:42 |
fsmithred | sorry | 23:42 |
fsmithred | you're removing dbus deps? | 23:42 |
aitor_ | yes, today i removed it from xorg and dconf-service; yesterday from the whole Gtk3 | 23:43 |
aitor_ | i wonder how many projects have includet it by inertia | 23:44 |
aitor_ | *included | 23:45 |
fsmithred | let me know when the repo is ready. Maybe I'll make new nodbus isos with the extra repo. | 23:45 |
aitor_ | ok, of course | 23:46 |
aitor_ | bbl, i'm doing things :) | 23:47 |
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