| rwp | Well... That's not good. More comparison with my up to date Beowulf system: https://paste.debian.net/1176796/ | 00:08 |
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| clort | it's the crappy nvidia kernel | 00:09 |
| clort | and the internet has one person with that error | 00:11 |
| clort | maybe it's some state's trojan causing probs | 00:11 |
| gnarface | i dunno, valve's steamlink kernel throws iptables overboard too | 00:34 |
| gnarface | as does the kernel on my gp2x wiz, for whatever that's worth | 00:34 |
| gnarface | it seems like a common thing for all hardware vendors to | 00:35 |
| gnarface | to do* | 00:35 |
| gnarface | i don't like it either, but it's possible you can still build and load missing stuff | 00:36 |
| gnarface | trojan or no, they clearly don't care about security at that layer | 00:37 |
| gnarface | you might have to rebuild the whole kernel | 00:37 |
| gnarface | sometimes that might require sourcing patches and firmware that don't exist or are protected under NDA | 00:38 |
| gnarface | but sometimes it's just that nobody has done the work | 00:38 |
| gnarface | (sometimes it's a lot of work) | 00:38 |
| gnarface | on the steam link apparently you can just kexec a whole different kernel after boot if you build it with their toolkit | 00:53 |
| gnarface | not sure if that'll work for tegra stuff or not though | 00:53 |
| clort | what the heck started mounting things under /media/$user/130r81730r58713087 | 05:48 |
| clort | whose idea was that | 05:48 |
| clort | i didn't tell the system to mount there | 05:49 |
| clort | who is doing this | 05:49 |
| clort | they must be punished | 05:49 |
| clort | something pulled-in udisks2 i guess | 05:51 |
| comb_ridge | Just wondering how much support is out there for Devuan | 08:26 |
| comb_ridge | Been quite some time since I've used Debian - pre system d days; been using slackware and variants | 08:27 |
| clort | what are you paying | 08:28 |
| comb_ridge | paying ?? | 08:29 |
| clort | for support | 08:29 |
| clort | maybe i misunderstood you | 08:29 |
| comb_ridge | haven't been - forums on slackware are good - very helpful; used Salix for some time mainly because I'm a "lazy slacker" | 08:30 |
| comb_ridge | forums, general help, I'm just a general user getting things done w/O windoze | 08:31 |
| clort | i find most of my issues with my programs or OS are not devuan-specific or due to devuan's omission of systemd | 08:33 |
| clort | devuan-specific issues are often discussed here | 08:33 |
| comb_ridge | so basically most questions can be answered checking out Debian information?? | 08:35 |
| clort | depends on the question but most package manager type issues are addressed in debian discussions | 08:36 |
| comb_ridge | thanks - that helps to narrow it down. | 08:38 |
| Gup | Is there currently some issue? Seems devuan.org and dev1galaxy.org are down? | 13:39 |
| djph | Gup: google's shot | 14:05 |
| Junicchi | i need to build latest version of network manager but meson throws systemd error | 16:07 |
| Junicchi | anything you suggest? | 16:07 |
| Junicchi | there are lots of systemd options | 16:09 |
| ShorTie | is Devuan a systemd option though ?? | 16:26 |
| Junicchi | http://ix.io/2I2l | 16:50 |
| Junicchi | this is the meson build file but there is no option to disable systemd at all | 16:50 |
| Junicchi | le developer's note | 16:51 |
| Junicchi | "# FIXME: do this better!!!" | 16:52 |
| ShorTie | didn't you get the Devuan deb dource and look for patches maybe ?? | 16:57 |
| clort | good advice by ShorTie | 18:09 |
| aitor_ | hi | 18:36 |
| fonxtadeluxe | hi all | 18:40 |
| aitor_ | hi fonxtadeluxe | 18:41 |
| fonxtadeluxe | just a quick question, anyone ever tinkered with ati propriatery driver 13.1 for linux x86/686/586 and kernel 5.9 | 18:41 |
| fonxtadeluxe | hey aitor_ | 18:41 |
| aitor_ | not me | 18:42 |
| fonxtadeluxe | nasty driver though, old card also hd3650, 13.1 i think is the last driver supporting the card, also quickly sifted debians page about ati driver install | 18:43 |
| fonxtadeluxe | are those drivers really needed, i mean the ati propriatary in order for the card to get running or is x-orgs-ati driver enough for 3d acceleration | 18:44 |
| fonxtadeluxe | as I just would very much like a game of warsow so i will be able to see if the card actually is working | 18:45 |
| fonxtadeluxe | as the thing on windows xp produces terrible results, because of the cpu gets cramped at 80% on idle | 18:45 |
| fonxtadeluxe | spectre or souch not sure, even when offline and fresh install | 18:45 |
| fonxtadeluxe | if anyone can point me at the right dirrection would be very much happy, thanks | 18:46 |
| fonxtadeluxe | oh, the driver ofcourse, does not see the linux-header although there is one | 18:47 |
| fonxtadeluxe | and via sh amd.... with or without force does not yield any results | 18:47 |
| fonxtadeluxe | amd forums? | 18:48 |
| fonxtadeluxe | on a sidenote, linux-gaming iso dvd which has tons of games, including warsow although v1.x something does run from a live media but produces artefacts, on windows however none of those can be seen | 18:49 |
| fonxtadeluxe | but i have had similar problems with other ati gpus, where linux was the choice when discovering if card is broken as windows never seem to produce on screen artefacts | 18:50 |
| clort | apt-cache search warsow | 18:50 |
| clort | not in devuan | 18:50 |
| fonxtadeluxe | i know, but if downloaded it runs | 18:50 |
| clort | glmark2 is a fair test for gpu | 18:51 |
| clort | not in repo though | 18:51 |
| fonxtadeluxe | there is also something similar like furmark from the same coders as furmark, especially for linux | 18:52 |
| fonxtadeluxe | but alas X11 does not run | 18:52 |
| fonxtadeluxe | amd forums it is :) | 18:52 |
| fonxtadeluxe | oh i supposedly found out | 19:27 |
| fonxtadeluxe | the driver only supports X 1.12 and kernel <3.4 | 19:27 |
| fonxtadeluxe | gl for me :) | 19:27 |
| clort | yeah that's frequent | 19:28 |
| clort | api changes -> bitrot | 19:28 |
| clort | i squint at most people who suggest 'improvements' now | 19:29 |
| clort | squint like clint | 19:29 |
| fonxtadeluxe | i guess i will try debian 6.0 | 19:29 |
| fonxtadeluxe | if i find the cd | 19:29 |
| clort | not to say there are't ay | 19:29 |
| fonxtadeluxe | i can still upgrade via devuans repos and apt mark x11 | 19:31 |
| fonxtadeluxe | 6.0 buster does not have systemd yet or? | 19:31 |
| clort | i think not | 19:33 |
| fonxtadeluxe | will try and report, thanks for shedding some light on the subject and have a nice evenin all | 19:34 |
| fonxtadeluxe | o/ | 19:34 |
| user___ | Hi. How do I check what version of gvfs is on post-beowulf devuans? | 20:07 |
| user___ | I have 1.38.1-5 on beowulf, it's the latest. | 20:07 |
| user___ | I have android usb transfer trouble. Image mode works, normal file mode is hit and miss and has serious bugs. | 20:08 |
| user___ | Has anyone else had trouble with phone to beowulf/other devuan connection via usb cable? | 20:08 |
| fsmithred | no, that works for me on an android tablet. | 20:09 |
| user___ | all modes? | 20:09 |
| fsmithred | you have gvfs-backends installed? That one is sometimes missing. | 20:09 |
| fsmithred | what do you mean "modes"? | 20:09 |
| mason | user___: All modes here. Charge, storage, adb, tether. | 20:09 |
| fsmithred | I plug it in, two icons pop up, one says android device | 20:10 |
| fsmithred | ah | 20:10 |
| fsmithred | tether worked, charge works | 20:10 |
| user___ | there's image transfer mode which works fine and normal file mode which has trouble, sometimes works sometimes stale file lists etc | 20:10 |
| fsmithred | what's adb? | 20:10 |
| mason | Android Debugger | 20:10 |
| user___ | the debugger | 20:10 |
| fsmithred | never used it | 20:10 |
| user___ | mason: on beowulf? | 20:10 |
| mason | user___: yes | 20:10 |
| fsmithred | I move photos off the device ok. | 20:10 |
| user___ | fsmithred: it's a development tool. | 20:10 |
| mason | fsmithred: It's a useful way to do file transfers, move things around on the phone, install things, etc. | 20:11 |
| user___ | yeah photos mode always works fine, the storage mode has trouble | 20:11 |
| fsmithred | 1.46.1-1 in ceres | 20:11 |
| fsmithred | gvfs | 20:11 |
| user___ | I found an arch forum post where in the past similar trouble was fixed with an upgrade of gvfs | 20:11 |
| fsmithred | same version is in chimaera (current testing) | 20:12 |
| fsmithred | not sure what the difference is between photo and storage | 20:12 |
| fsmithred | I open a file manager and move files back and forth | 20:12 |
| fsmithred | I've also gotten bluetooth transfers to work, but that works less often than it doesn't work, and it takes a long time to figure out if it's working or not. | 20:13 |
| fsmithred | user___, what gvfs packages are installed? | 20:14 |
| user___ | I checked they are all auto installed, gvfs gvfs-common and backends | 20:20 |
| user___ | What connects to port 5094 remote?! I seem to have some sort of problem in the phone | 20:20 |
| fsmithred | hart-ip | 20:31 |
| fsmithred | whatever that is | 20:31 |
| user___ | yeah it's not that. HART is an automation protocol used in factories and buildings. I don't have such. | 20:32 |
| user___ | I'll be durned, the Swiss are spying on me... | 20:33 |
| user___ | running nestat -tuan on non-rooted phones is super instructive sometimes. I understand the connection to nanny Vodafone. Almost. It's the bearer. But the Swiss?! | 20:37 |
| rwp | I am too afraid to look at what data exfiltration happens on my phone. Therefore my policy is to not ever create any data of interest there. | 20:39 |
| fsmithred | stupid phone FTW | 20:41 |
| ranix | just assume everything on an android or iphone is leaked | 20:42 |
| fsmithred | I won't even do email on the android tablet | 20:42 |
| fsmithred | yeah, I did it once. I could not separate my gmail accounts. | 20:42 |
| user___ | exfiltration? It's not exfiltration. All your data is belong to them, they just show you snippets if you play nice and pay. | 20:42 |
| ranix | I know for a fact google passes data through 3rd party vendors just so they can claim plausible deniability when that info gets leaked to law enforcement etc. | 20:42 |
| ranix | they go way out of their way to include vendors and contractors in their processes | 20:42 |
| user___ | :) | 20:43 |
| ranix | everywhere there's somewhere they want to have your data they put a temp there and blame him for the leak | 20:43 |
| user___ | and we have bad news. using sshelper has no "spy" ip's on. | 21:02 |
| user___ | using termux + sshd has 5 spy connections on. | 21:02 |
| user___ | someone has trojaned termux | 21:02 |
| user___ | it's from google play | 21:02 |
| user___ | looking at versions and plausible explanations | 21:02 |
| user___ | right, I am not registered so freenode does not let me talk on #termux. It is their loss. | 21:03 |
| onefang | I think you can get termux from F-droid, and this is off topic for a Devuan support channel. | 21:03 |
| user___ | I'll look. Yes you are right. Sorry. | 21:04 |
| user___ | interesting, now the monitor ip's are gone on the phone. Talking about them online helps?! | 21:06 |
| user___ | <done with off topic> | 21:06 |
| user___ | are there other packages besides gvfs and it's modules for android storage access? | 21:19 |
| rwp | I enjoyed up through Android 4 where one could mount Android storage as a USB storage device. | 21:31 |
| rwp | And then for me personally in all later Android versions I just find it too hard to exchange files. | 21:31 |
| rwp | I recently did this again and did so by powering off, removing the SD card, mounting the SD card, moving files, then returning and booting up. | 21:32 |
| rwp | For me that is the least hassle way of moving files now. Sigh. It worked better before. | 21:32 |
| rwp | For a while a WiFi transfer app worked acceptably well. But yet another Android update has broken that on mine. Doesn't work now. Sigh. | 21:33 |
| onefang | I use jmtpfs for mounting my Androids. | 21:35 |
| onefang | echo "Make sure phone is in 'transfer files' mode" | 21:36 |
| onefang | jmtpfs /media/phone | 21:36 |
| onefang | echo "'fusermount -u /media/phone' when you are done." | 21:36 |
| user___ | jmtpfs mounts the phone and then only lists the 2 volumes mounted on the phone (external SD and internal) and gets stuck. Lists their names not contents | 21:43 |
| user___ | So it's a deeper lying problem. | 21:43 |
| * clort whispers 'maemo-leste' | 21:43 | |
| user___ | Very long delay between commands and responses, like 30 seconds or more. | 21:43 |
| user___ | It seems to work but very slow. Also probably hammering a log somewhere. | 21:45 |
| user___ | Thanks for the tip onefang | 21:45 |
| user___ | Nice it works as user, no need to use a root dir like /media/phone | 21:47 |
| user___ | So the phone shows periodic connections to vodafone servers port 5094. No idea what it is. It is not rooted, I'll try to intercept it on the firewall on beowulf see if it's not encrypted. | 21:51 |
| Copenhagen_Bram | Is Devuan Beowulf based on Debian 10? | 21:55 |
| Copenhagen_Bram | Oh, yes it is. | 21:56 |
| mason | Copenhagen_Bram: https://www.devuan.org/os/releases | 21:56 |
| Copenhagen_Bram | Based on 10.4? What about 10.7? | 21:56 |
| mason | Copenhagen_Bram: Debian releases speak to what's installed baseline, not what you get once you update. | 21:56 |
| Copenhagen_Bram | Oh ok | 21:57 |
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