libera/#devuan/ Friday, 2021-01-01

Guest3i'm going to switch from debian buster to devuan, why am i not changing the deb-src links and commenting them out?00:37
fsmithredyou want us to tell you why you are or are not doing something?00:38
Guest3is there something wrong with that?00:38
Guest3i trust the devuan project i'm just curious00:38
fsmithredyou can comment out or change the deb-src lines00:39
fsmithredthey won't be used during the migration00:40
fsmithredthey only get used if you want to download debian/devuan source packages to compile your own00:40
fsmithredyou're following the migration guide here? https://www.devuan.org/os/documentation/dev1fanboy/en/buster-to-beowulf00:41
Guest3yes00:41
fsmithredgood00:42
Guest3ah goddammit00:47
Guest3i wanted to try manual wifi config00:47
Guest3i guess i'll just install wicd as per the guide00:47
Guest3it's going well so far though00:47
Guest3got an error: GDbus.Error: org.freedesktop.systemd1.NoSuchUnit: Unit packagekit.service not found.00:50
Guest3this isn't a big deal right?00:50
Guest3it happened after doing apt-get upgrade00:55
bmelois there any bsd-style init out there for debian systems?01:03
Guest3ok there are some unmet dependencies for eudev01:06
Guest3should i do apt --fix-broken install or keep going by the guide01:07
Guest3are these questions easy to answer or something?01:11
Xenguy_Guest3: Hang in and idle for awhile; people come and go who can help01:13
Guest3sorry01:13
Xenguy_Not at all01:13
Xenguy_It's New Years Eve also, so you may have to practice patience more than usual01:14
Guest3that's understandable01:15
Guest3is there any way to ensure the pc doesn't go into sleep while i wait?01:15
Xenguy_I'm not sure about the errors you're getting, but if it were me I'd just plow ahead and see how far you can get, i.e. let the errors ride if you can01:16
Guest3went into xfce power manager to turn display power management off01:17
Guest3hopefully that should do it01:17
Xenguy_See what you end up with, and if a reinstall is needed, oh well01:17
Xenguy_Yeah you found it, it's all largely configured there01:18
Guest3reboot just comes up as not found01:18
Guest3shutdown -r should work right?01:18
Guest3apt-get -f install works, so i guess i'll just install eudev after01:19
fsmithredyeah, sometimes you have to repeat the upgrade to get more packages01:20
Guest3alright so shutdown, halt, and poweroff do not work01:21
fsmithredif you're in buster, you shoul01:21
fsmithredoh01:21
fsmithredI guess you don't know about root's path changes01:22
Guest3just says that command isn't found01:22
Guest3no01:22
fsmithreddid you do 'su' to get root?01:22
Guest3yes01:22
fsmithreduse full path01:22
fsmithred  /sbin/reboot01:22
Guest3ok01:22
fsmithredor use 'su -' to get root01:22
fsmithredor put 'ALWAYS_SET_PATH yes' in /etc/default/su01:23
fsmithredto get the old behavior01:23
Guest3sbin reboot works01:23
Guest3unfortunately bc of how the comp is setup i have to go into windows to boot into debian01:23
fsmithredloadlin???01:24
Guest3have not tried loadlin01:24
Guest3i installed grub on the linux partition and never fixed it i guess01:25
Guest3ok so01:26
Guest3should i abort kernel removal?01:27
Guest3just did apt-get dist-upgrade01:27
fsmithredwhat kernel removal?01:28
fsmithredthat should not happen automatically01:29
fsmithredyou can keep the old kernel until you're sure the new kernel works01:29
Guest3alright i'll probably keep the old kernel then01:29
Guest3says that errors were encountered processing the linux 4.19 image01:30
Guest3everything else seems ok though01:30
Guest3should i purge the systemd libs now?01:31
fsmithredautoremove should be safe01:31
fsmithredor wait and do it later.01:31
Guest3ok01:31
fsmithredthe old stuff won't do anything01:31
fsmithredif you're sure sysvinit is running, I think it's safe to remove systemd01:33
Guest3so apt-get purge also ran into issues,01:33
Guest3unmet dependencies01:33
fsmithredpurge what?01:33
Guest3the systemd stuff01:33
Guest3https://www.devuan.org/os/documentation/dev1fanboy/en/buster-to-beowulf01:33
fsmithredis elogind installed?01:33
Guest3after dist-upgrade01:33
fsmithredand libpam-elogind01:34
Guest3how do i check? eloginid --version?01:34
fsmithreddpkg -l | grep elogind01:34
Guest3it's dpkg -l is a lowercase L right?01:35
fsmithredyes01:35
fsmithredit lists installed packages01:35
Guest3ok nothing came up01:35
fsmithredwhat desktop you got?01:35
Guest3xfce01:35
fsmithredis libpam-systemd still installed?01:35
Guest3did the same thing except with grep libpam-systemd01:36
Guest3nothing came up01:36
Guest3however hostnamectl works01:36
Guest3so i'm assuming not all packages are gone01:36
fsmithredcat /proc/1/comm01:37
Guest3systemd comes up01:37
Guest3that's it01:37
fsmithredok01:37
fsmithredI guess you need to install sysvinit-core01:38
Guest3apt install sysvinit-core?01:39
fsmithredyeah01:39
fsmithredand then a reboot01:39
Guest3ok that didn't work01:39
Guest3i'm going to try apt --fix-broken install01:39
fsmithredwon't let you install it?01:39
Guest3yea01:39
Guest3well01:39
Guest3it says Reading state info... done01:40
Guest3and then it pulls up the unmet dependencies01:40
Guest3which are the 4.19 kernel image, which depends on initramfs01:40
Guest3systemd-sysv01:40
fsmithredyou don't need systemd-sysv01:40
Guest3well01:41
Guest3what should i do01:41
Guest3it's not letting me install stuff01:41
fsmithredget debian out of your sources.list01:41
fsmithredor sources.list.d/whatever01:41
fsmithredthere is no systemd-sysv in devuan01:41
Guest3i commented all of the debian stuff out01:42
fsmithredand then apt update?01:42
Guest3all right so i guess i could do that01:42
fsmithredthat updates the package cache so that apt knows what's available01:42
fsmithredbrb01:42
Guest3still brings up unmet dependencies01:43
fsmithredwhat deps?01:51
Guest3the linux image depends on the initramfs-tools, systemd-sysv conflics with sysvinit core, and sysvinit depends on initscripts, sysv-rc/openrc/file-rc, and conflicts with systemd-sysv01:53
Guest3one of the sysvinit deps can be met with sysv-rc, openrc or file-rc01:54
fsmithredinstall sysv-rc01:56
fsmithredmaybe a few others with it01:56
Guest3so01:57
fsmithredany progress?01:57
Guest3that depends on on innserv and startpar01:57
Guest3i guess i'm starting to understand where the term dependency hell comes from01:58
fsmithredyeah, and it seems to be getting worse01:58
Guest3ok so i tried fix broken install02:00
Guest3brb02:02
Guest3will be back in some time02:02
fsmithredok, here's a discussion that may help https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?pid=17716#p1771602:03
Guest3so02:11
Guest3i should reboot?02:11
Guest3that seems to be what worked for this person02:12
Guest3i believe i've installed wicd02:12
Guest3so i'll reboot and try to fix my install02:13
Guest3ok02:14
Guest3now it's asking to enter a runlevel02:14
fsmithredwhat?02:15
Guest3because no inittab was found02:15
fsmithredthis is a reboot attempt?02:15
Guest3yeah02:15
fsmithredmaybe you can still boot systemd02:16
Guest3how02:16
fsmithredpress e at the boot menu02:16
fsmithredscroll down to the linux line02:16
fsmithredadd the following to that line02:16
fsmithredinit=/lib/systemd/... uh-ho02:16
fsmithredyou need to look02:16
fsmithredis it /lib/systemd/systemd?02:17
Guest3ok02:17
Guest3i thought it would be a good idea to do level 3 bc it started it normally02:17
Guest3but it says no more processes are left at the runlevel02:17
Guest3well that was stupid02:18
fsmithredyou have runlevel 3 configured specially?02:18
Guest3no02:18
fsmithreddoes that file exist or not?02:18
fsmithredif so, boot systemd02:18
fsmithredotherwise you have to fix it in chroot02:18
Guest3can't type anything02:18
fsmithredat the boot menu?02:19
Guest3i guess02:19
fsmithredwhat does it look like?02:19
Guest3black screen02:19
fsmithredread me some words02:19
Guest3it says INIT: version 2.93 booting02:19
Guest3INIT: No inittab file found02:19
Guest3Enter runlevel:02:20
fsmithredyeah, that's not going to work02:20
Guest3so i typed 302:20
fsmithredreboot02:20
Guest3and it sas02:20
Guest3init: entering runlevel: 302:20
fsmithredand when you get to the boot menu, press e to edit02:20
Guest3no  more processes left02:20
fsmithredyeah, ok02:20
Guest3and i can't type anything02:20
fsmithredbecause it can't use sysvinit02:20
fsmithredyou must boot systemd02:20
Guest3i guess i'll turn the systemoff then02:21
Guest3bc i can't type anything02:21
fsmithredyeah, power button02:21
Guest3ok i'm in grub02:23
Guest3it's booting debian02:23
Guest3once again it's at the runlevel part02:23
fsmithredyou have to tell it to use system02:23
fsmithredreboot02:23
fsmithredat the boot menu press e to edit02:23
Guest3ok so 602:24
Guest36 is supposed to reboot02:24
fsmithreddoes that work?02:24
Guest3uh02:24
Guest3well it's saying no more processes02:24
fsmithredyeah, if you're using sysvinit, 6 is reboot02:24
fsmithredbut you are not using sysvinit02:24
Guest3i think i am02:24
fsmithredor any other init system02:24
fsmithredit's dead02:24
Guest3because it just says INIT: version 2.9302:24
Guest3ah ok02:25
Guest3so reinstall then02:25
fsmithredyou think it was booting debian becausae you saw a menu that said Debian?02:25
fsmithrednNONONO02:25
fsmithredreboot systemd02:25
Guest3i'm trying02:25
fsmithredolisten to what I'm telling you to do02:25
Guest3ok02:25
fsmithreddo you know what the boot menu looks like?02:25
Guest3so i should press e in grub then?02:25
fsmithredyes02:25
Guest3ok02:25
Guest3god i'm an idiot02:25
Guest3i thought i asked that but i guess i never did02:25
fsmithrednow with arrow keys, scroll down to the linux line02:26
fsmithredand to the end of that line02:26
fsmithredand I have to guess the path02:26
Guest3one sec i need to boot linux again02:26
fsmithredmaybe I don't02:26
fsmithredboot what linux?02:26
Guest3i need to go into windows uefi boot to do this02:27
Guest3ok it's starting02:27
Guest3at linux line02:27
Guest3the /boot/vmlinuz-4.19 line02:28
Guest3the top part says setparams 'Debian GNU/Linux'02:28
fsmithredscroll down to the line that starts wtih linux02:29
Guest3i'm tere02:29
Guest3what do i do02:29
fsmithredend of the line, type02:29
fsmithredinit=/lib/systemd/systemd02:29
fsmithredthen press ctrl-x02:29
Guest3ok so everytime i type a forward slash a backslash accompanies it02:30
fsmithredonly when the line wraps, I hope02:30
Guest3yeah02:30
fsmithredok02:30
Guest3so ctrl+x then02:31
Guest3so uh02:33
Guest3now i'm in emergency mode02:33
Guest3for systemd02:33
fsmithredit booted?02:33
fsmithredyou're at a command prompt?02:34
Guest3well02:34
Guest3now it says give root password for maintenance02:34
Guest3or control d to continue02:34
Guest3but yeah i guess it did boot in emergency mode02:35
Guest3if that counts02:35
fsmithredgive root password02:35
Guest3ok02:35
Guest3i'm in a shell02:35
fsmithredlook in /boot and make sure there's initrd.img-<version> to match the running kernel02:36
fsmithreduname -r02:36
fsmithredto see the kernel version02:36
Guest3seems like there is02:36
Guest3initrd.img-4.19.0-11-amd6402:36
Guest3same as the kernel02:36
fsmithredok, that's good02:36
fsmithredyou probably don't have internet connection02:37
Guest3should i do a connection test?02:38
fsmithredping google.com02:38
fsmithredping 8.8.8.802:38
Guest3tried google.com, said ping: google.com: name or service not known02:38
fsmithredtry the numbers02:39
Guest38.8.8.8 says network is unreachable02:39
fsmithredok02:39
Guest3i think you're right about networks02:39
fsmithredI don't know how to get to multi-user graphical whatever they call it with systemd02:39
Guest3well02:40
Guest3it failed to raise network interfaces02:40
Guest3that might be impossible02:40
fsmithredyou're in rescue mode or equivalent of runlevel 102:40
fsmithredbut systemd does not have runlevels02:40
fsmithredit has targets02:40
fsmithredand I have no arrows02:40
Guest3ah ok02:40
fsmithredhow to change02:41
Guest3so it says target network is reached02:41
Guest3target network is online02:41
fsmithredoh, cool02:41
fsmithreddid you do something to connect?02:41
Guest3network time synchronization02:41
Guest3and system time synchronized02:41
Guest3no02:41
Guest3this is just the systemd boot thing that comes up02:41
fsmithredip a02:41
fsmithredlook for an ip address on your interface02:42
Guest3alright02:42
fsmithredeth0 or enpsxxxxx02:42
Guest3http://127.0.0.1/02:42
fsmithredno02:42
Guest3shows up for lo02:42
fsmithredlol02:42
Guest3uh02:42
fsmithredyeah, that's localhost. you.02:42
Guest3i can't see anything for eno202:43
fsmithredtry02:43
fsmithreddhclient eno202:43
fsmithredthat's really the interface name?02:43
Guest3nothing came up for dhclient eno202:43
fsmithredno error?02:44
fsmithredip a02:44
Guest3this time an ip came up02:44
fsmithredcool02:44
fsmithredthat means you can continue with the upgrade02:44
fsmithredif only we knew what commands to use02:44
fsmithredhistory02:45
fsmithredwill show you what commands you used before02:45
fsmithredmight help to reorient you02:45
Guest3yeah ik that, so i should just continue with the migration?02:45
fsmithredtry it02:45
fsmithredI would02:45
fsmithredactually, I would be pretty angry if I were in your position02:46
fsmithredand I'm pretty angry right here in mine02:46
Guest3this isn't the first time i've had issues02:47
Guest3debian unstable screwed up for some reason02:47
Guest3probably bc i didn't use a minimal netinst02:47
Guest3maybe if i retry with a minimal netinst it'll not screw up as badly?02:47
Guest3i'm not sure02:47
Guest3anyways i guess it's a good time to mention the livecd image i used02:48
Guest3it was one of the ones that came preinstalled with a DE(xfce in my case)02:48
Guest3so it took up a lot more than the netinst(i think the netinst was a couple hundred mb, the one i used this time took at least 2 gb)02:49
fsmithredyeah, the full system is in the iso02:49
Guest3i'm mentioning this bc the debian wiki says that minimal isos are better for upgrading to testing or unstable02:49
fsmithredyou end up with about the same amount on the hard disk after install02:50
Guest3ah02:50
fsmithredoh, this was a new buster install?02:50
Guest3well02:50
Guest3yeah more or less02:50
Guest3i installed, i think i installed git02:50
Guest3and that was kind of all i've done with this specific install02:50
fsmithredthat's the hard way to get devuan02:50
fsmithredeasier to start with a devuan iso02:51
fsmithredthe advice about netinstall is probably for upgrading to the testing suite when there are no isos for it.02:51
fsmithreddo a minimal install, then upgrade, then add the rest of what you want.02:52
fsmithredrather than upgrade a full system02:52
Guest3ah ic02:52
fsmithredhttps://files.devuan.org/devuan_beowulf/installer-iso/02:53
fsmithredthere are netinstall isos on that page02:53
Guest3i can live-test this right?02:53
fsmithredlive iso are up one level and over02:54
fsmithredhttps://files.devuan.org/devuan_beowulf/desktop-live/02:54
Guest3ok02:54
fsmithredYou can install from the live isos, but it's a different installer (refractainstaller)02:54
Guest3have you used both?02:55
fsmithredalso, the live isos have nonfree firmware installed so you can test wireless02:55
fsmithredlol,yeah, I've used them more times than I care to think about02:55
fsmithredI make the live isos, and I help test all of them02:55
Guest3i think the computer uses ethernet02:55
fsmithredgood. that works better.02:56
Guest3i'll try that then tomorrow02:56
fsmithredI think that will be easier than sorting out the migration02:57
Guest3well thank you for putting up with me02:58
Guest3and thank you for all the help02:58
fsmithredyw02:58
DashiePiehey, if I want newer stuff for Beowulf, what do I put in sources.list for backports?04:06
gnarfaceDashiePie: deb http://deb.devuan.org/merged beowulf-backports main contrib non-free04:17
DashiePieokay, thanks04:17
gnarfacenp04:18
Xenguy_Looks like wicd has been removed from Debian, pending Upstream's effort to port from Python2 to Python3...05:09
Xenguy_The current maintainer intends to bring it back, once Upstream is finished porting, which apparently won't be next Tuesday after lunch05:10
Xenguy_Work in progress05:12
Xenguy_Looks like I have to install Network Manager, or hack at wpa-supplicant.  Anyone use the latter?05:14
metalune[m]Hi05:23
metalune[m]I've been thinking about trying out devuan, because I switched from artix to debian (searching for a more stable system do to my work on) but I miss runit05:24
metalune[m]but I am unsure about how stable devuan is05:24
Xenguy_Devuan is Debian with some omissions I think05:27
Xenguy_So if you consider Debian stable, then I would say Devuan must needs be also05:28
Xenguy_I've used both over the years, and I see no real difference (besides the obvious systemd)05:29
metalune[m]hum.. because I had tons of problems with setting up pulseaudio myself and also with SDL (on artix) and I don't wanna re-encounter that in devuan if possible05:31
Xenguy_For me, audio (with PA) just works.  Beowulf required me to comment out 1 line in a PA file, and it was well documented in the Release Notes05:32
Xenguy_What is your hardware?  And did it work on Debian?05:33
metalune[m]It works flawlessly on debian05:34
metalune[m]and hardware wise... I have no idea05:34
metalune[m]I just use a ThinkPad x23005:34
metalune[m]there are usually no compatibility problems with i t05:34
Xenguy_So if you are installing Devuan on the same hardware, it should work also05:34
metalune[m]neat05:34
metalune[m]I will give it a try then05:34
Xenguy_Oh yeah, that should be no problem, I run the same thinkpad issue here05:34
metalune[m]thinkpad issue?05:35
Xenguy_Say, got any good X230 batteries to sell?  ; -)05:35
metalune[m]heh, no, sorry05:36
metalune[m]I need mine05:36
Xenguy_I just mean I run Thinkpads also05:36
metalune[m]I love this laptop05:36
Xenguy_I have an X220, and I love it the same way, but it's costing me money lately.  Any OT I suppose.05:36
Xenguy_There is #devuan-offtopic for that05:37
metalune[m]I am on there too05:38
Xenguy_cool05:38
metalune[m]omfg06:00
metalune[m]https://files.devuan.org/devuan_beowulf/installer-iso/06:01
metalune[m]why is the devuan_beowulf_3.0.0_amd64_desktop.iso 3.6GB large??06:01
metalune[m]what the hell is in that thing06:01
Xenguy_I always use the netinst ISO06:04
metalune[m]xD06:05
Xenguy_https://files.devuan.org/devuan_beowulf/installer-iso/devuan_beowulf_3.0.0_amd64-netinstall.iso06:05
metalune[m]can't even consider that with my shitty internet06:05
Xenguy_damn06:05
metalune[m]I'm gonna go to bed now06:05
metalune[m]it's 6AM and I was up all night long06:05
Xenguy_HNY then06:05
metalune[m]ty ditto06:06
metalune[m]I'll tell you how it went after I dual-boot devuan in the morning06:06
metalune[m]*evening06:06
Xenguy_o/06:06
DashiePiefsmithred: 'scuse me, but I have a question about my upgrade to Chimaera06:08
DashiePieor if anyone else can help me understand why this is happening... so, I did apt upgrade, and it's telling me that it wants to switch "user irc's directory from /var/run/ircd to /run/ircd"06:11
DashiePieI'm just unsure why this popped up?06:12
fsmithredbecause some package changed that dir. Say yes.06:18
fsmithredg'night06:19
fsmithredzzzzz06:19
Xenguy_HNY fsmithred06:21
DashiePiethanks, fsmith06:23
dashie_hello10:00
dashie_I'm in irssi right now, trying to figure out why X is being stubborn10:01
dashie_specifically, I just upgraded, mostly, from Beowulf to Chimaera, and now X's auth portion is telling me that the MIT MAGIC COOKIE is invalid10:01
dashie_I'm using MATE as well10:02
unixbsdHappy New Year, Best wishes for 2021!10:46
dashie_anyone here?11:01
metalune[m]I am here11:19
dashie_oh, good11:20
dashie_so, I upgraded to Chimaera, and X stopped authenticating me11:20
dashie_my latest discovery, with the help of my dear friend, seems to have revealed that MATE can't find /etc/securetty11:21
berntehappy new year everyone11:23
dashie_can anyone help me? at all?11:23
metalune[m]uhm... I am not on devuan yet11:29
metalune[m]kinda new here myself11:29
dashie_I don't expect miracles, it's okay11:29
metalune[m]maybe go to #devuan-dev11:30
metalune[m]I think it's likely that you'll be able to get in contact with a dev there11:30
unixbsdWould *Java* be into the base cacerts?  https://termbin.com/iykc11:55
dashie_I think I found out why12:07
dashie_MATE was pretty much gutted12:07
dashie_unsure why12:08
unixbsdwhat do you mean by gutted?12:08
unixbsdI use evilwm ;)12:08
dashie_I mean when I upgraded, it removed a lot of MATE's packages12:08
dashie_when I autoremoved the rest of the packages, it was way less than the 223 it wanted to install12:09
dashie_30 or so vs 22312:09
dashie_gutted12:09
dashie_and I have zero idea why12:09
dashie_I mean, zero idea why it didn't reinstall all those packages it was apparently missing12:10
unixbsdit can happen with upgrading, this is why, I usually debootstrap, and apt-get on clean /target, then put on another partition.12:10
dashie_if I reboot to a nice, clean desktop, I'll be happy12:10
dashie_the past 6 hours have been torture12:11
dashie_and tiring12:11
dashie_there were three packages that weren't ever updated, though12:12
dashie_all three of them are python2, but the dependents that are keeping them from upgrading are python?12:12
unixbsdI use an evilish script/c to create a new system within max. 5 min. on my own devuan apache2 server. this crap C code allows to install devuan in max. 5 min with own server: https://termbin.com/r2sd12:12
dashie_like, python 112:12
dashie_brb, rebooting12:16
unixbsdgood luck12:16
dashie_aaaaaaaaaa, it didn't work12:19
dashie_why12:19
unixbsddid you missed lib/modules? does it has a kernel... log? you can show us if you arent scared or dmesg... : cd / ; find -iname "*" | nc termbin.com 9999  (<-- dangerous)12:21
dashie_as far as I can tell, it's not authenticating me in VT7, only VT1-612:21
dashie_I'm stuck in the VTs12:22
dashie_command line*12:22
unixbsdah, it may no start X11.12:22
dashie_VT7 comes up, allows me to input my login12:23
dashie_just12:23
unixbsdmaybe apt-get install slim and add legacy to help a bit:  apt-get install -y    xserver-xorg-legacy12:23
dashie_nothing12:23
dashie_it says it fails to... hang on12:23
dashie_failed to start session12:24
unixbsdnormally "slim" is pretty ok to start X11 as login manager.12:24
unixbsdwhat about "   startx -- :2  " ?12:24
dashie_once I input my login, I have to click the login button again to even get that error message12:24
unixbsdis .xsession in $USER missing?12:25
dashie_I'm tired and also dumb12:25
unixbsdecho xterm > .xsession     <-- and try to login with slim12:25
dashie_I need sleep12:27
unixbsdOn my intel N3050, supertuxkart on devuan ascii - tested on amd64 and i386 pae, gives for both: segmentation fault.12:33
dashie_what's the command to fix broken packages with apt?17:36
fsmithredapt -f install17:37
dashie_well that's not good, it didn't find any broken packages17:38
n4dir what is the command, what is the error message, is something unusual in apt-cache policy , so on17:39
dashie_okay, so here's the problem, VT7 refuses to load into MATE, I try to login, it blinks to a black screen, one of the other VTs, and then it says "failed to load session" or something similar17:40
dashie_I just upgraded to Chimaera last night, and this is the result17:40
dashie_if it's relevant, there are 3 packages still held back, all related to python2, and python1 seems to be what's preventing them from updating17:41
n4dirYou start the GUI session with startx?17:41
dashie_well, I just did, and it looks like a bunch of stuff is missing17:42
fsmithredstuff in mate is missing?17:43
fsmithredyou got to desktop?17:43
dashie_I tried startx in VT3, and it loaded, just not with everything intact17:44
dashie_some options are missing from the system dropdown, not all of my programs are showing up17:44
dashie_my wallpaper isn't loaded17:44
fsmithredcreate a new user, log in as that user and see if the desktop looks complete17:44
dashie_okay, what's the command to do that?17:45
fsmithredas root or with sudo17:45
dashie_not what I meant17:45
fsmithredadduser fred17:45
dashie_okayt17:45
dashie_how do I stop the X session in VT3?17:46
fsmithredlog out of it?17:46
fsmithredctrl-c?17:46
n4dirdisplay-manager involved? if yes: /etc/init.d/name_of stop.17:46
n4dirBut i think startx will then start the display-manager again.17:46
fsmithredno, it won't17:46
fsmithredit'll just start the desktop17:47
n4dirages ago i had a display-manager.17:47
fsmithredages ago I did not17:47
fsmithredlol17:47
dashie_it seems frozen now17:47
dashie_nope, it shut down17:48
dashie_what does it mean by "room number"?17:48
fsmithredwhat graphics card you got?17:48
dashie_hd 7770 vapor-x from sapphire17:48
fsmithredyou can ignore those personal fields17:48
dashie_just enter through them?17:48
fsmithredyeah17:48
fsmithredI even leave real name blank17:48
dashie_didn't do anything, no dice17:49
fsmithredis firmware-amd-graphics installed?17:49
fsmithredyou saying no desktop with the new user?17:49
dashie_yes, it's installed17:49
dashie_same error with new user17:49
fsmithredis task-mate-desktop installed?17:50
n4dirnow try a  WindowManager.17:50
dashie_yes, I did purge it, but I reinstalled it17:50
fsmithredor desktop-base?17:50
dashie_desktop-base unsure about17:51
fsmithredthose probably aren't ready in chimaera17:51
fsmithredI'm sure desktop-base isn't ready17:51
dashie_desktop-base installed17:51
fsmithredbut that probably wouldn't cause a problem17:51
fsmithredthere's not really anything in it for mate17:51
fsmithredthe task-desktop package might cause problems due to dependencies17:52
dashie_it didn't seem to17:52
fsmithredok17:52
fsmithredtry dist-upgrade again, I guess17:52
fsmithredsee if you can get the missing packages17:52
dashie_now it's trying to remove 6 packages,17:53
fsmithredwhich?17:53
dashie_a bunch of python ones, python, python-pygame, python-numpy17:54
dashie_python-olefile, python-pathlib17:54
fsmithredmaybe try 'aptitude full-upgrade' and see what other options it offers you17:54
dashie_it wants to remove one more file, as well as leave a couple dependencies unresolved17:55
fsmithredI don't see either python-numpy or python-pygame in chimaera17:55
fsmithreddidn't check the others17:56
dashie_hum17:56
dashie_it wants to remove libpython-stdlib, I think it was called17:56
fsmithredthere is python-pygame in ceres17:56
fsmithredso it will probably move into chimaera17:56
dashie_I think I needed them for one of my games17:56
dashie_don't remember17:57
fsmithredinteresting. I don't see libpython-stdlib in chimaera or ceres, but I have it installed, and it's a newer version than the one in beowulf17:58
fsmithredwelcome to the joys of running a testing system17:58
dashie_yeah, it's complaining about versions is why python 2 was held back17:58
fsmithredyou might need to add ceres to sources.list and pin it to a lower priority17:59
dashie_hm17:59
fsmithredthen you can selectively pull fixes from ceres17:59
n4dirif you don't you might just as well remove the testing lines from sources.list, don't you?17:59
fsmithredyeah, if you don't pin it, you'll upgrade to ceres18:00
fsmithredthen you not only get the fixes earlier, you get the breakage earlier, too18:00
dashie_how would I pin it in sources.list?18:01
n4dirthe opinions if it is better to run testing, mixed testing-unstable or unstable differ quite a bit. I am in favor of the latter18:01
dashie_and is that what you recommend?18:01
fsmithredcreate a file in /etc/apt/preferences.d/18:01
fsmithredcall it whatever you want18:01
fsmithredthree lines18:01
fsmithredPackage: *18:02
fsmithredPin: release n=ceres18:02
fsmithredPin-Priority: 5018:02
dashie_thankfully not a lot of typing, I can't exactly copy paste18:02
fsmithredyou could make it 100 instead of 5018:02
n4dirdashie_: i'd say that testing-unstable testing set to Default, aka pinning, is the most healthy way. Pure unstable is less fiddling, but more risk of breakage.18:03
n4dirAPT::Default-Release "testing";18:03
dashie_what does pin-priority do?18:03
n4dirthat in /etc/apt/apt.conf ; would work too, set "testing" accordingly (ceres? I wouldn't know)18:03
n4dirless typing, more i didn't say18:04
fsmithredpin-priority determines whether/when packages get installed or upgraded from that repo18:04
fsmithred500 is default18:04
fsmithredif you don't pin ceres, then any installed packages will get upgraded to ceres18:05
fsmithredpin it to less than 500 and you have to specify that you want to install from ceres18:05
dashie_okay18:05
fsmithredapt -t ceres install python-pygame18:05
fsmithredset ceres to 100 and the packages from ceres will be upgraded whenever you upgrade18:05
fsmithredless than 100 and they will only upgrade when you say so18:06
fsmithredsee man apt_preferences for full explanation of pinning18:06
dashie_okay18:07
fsmithredreading it now, maybe the 50 should be 118:07
dashie_it comes up with an error18:08
n4diri got it set to 100 and that seems to work too.18:08
dashie_it basically says "that's not a source18:08
dashie_"18:08
dashie_oh, I forgot to add it to my sources.list18:09
dashie_cause I am dumb18:09
n4dirwell, in the middle of a fight it happens to everyone, i guess18:09
fsmithredlol18:09
fsmithredyup18:09
n4diror i am dumb too, fine with that18:09
fsmithredset to 100 and any installed packages from ceres will get automatic upgrades18:10
dashie_yep, I'm fighting my computer... and losing terribly18:10
fsmithredyou have to swear at it, really bad stuff18:10
fsmithredthe worst you can think of18:10
dashie_it's the same everything as Chimaera, just Ceres instead?18:10
dashie_should I use main contrib and non-free?18:11
dashie_considering I have to manually install anything from there anyway18:11
n4dirI think once you installed a package with -t ; then it will get the according upgrades. So not really "manually"18:12
n4dircontrib and non-free depends if you need them.18:12
dashie_I have it set to priority 5018:12
fsmithredyou need it for firmware-amd-graphics18:12
n4dirAnd Sid and Ceres only have the "main" line, not security or such18:13
fsmithredthanks, you just reminded me that I need those lines commented out in the isos I'm making today18:13
dashie_I really think I'll just stick to what's in Chimaera18:13
dashie_you're welcome18:14
dashie_I'm glad my misfortune has helped someone18:14
dashie_not being sarcastic, but I'm still salty about it18:14
fsmithredyeah, if you have a problem, then you can see if there's a fix in ceres18:14
n4dirgood choice too. Adding sid is only useful as sometimes packages are "held", and a problem in testing can't be quickly fixed.18:14
n4diri don't think that happens all the time. It can happen.18:14
n4dirdashie_: Is the actual problem that you have no working GUI? Mate, that is? If so, install something working (or test if something else works). Then you got a GUI to troubleshoot more18:15
n4dirjust a proposal18:15
dashie_and yet again, I forgot to do apt update18:15
dashie_and I do have a gui, I just can't log in18:15
n4diryeah, i meant a working one18:16
n4dirwhich always can be the display-manager, which is the first thing i would move out of the way (for the troubleshooting)18:17
fsmithredyou still have policykit-1 and policykit-1-gnome installed?18:17
fsmithredelogind and libpam-elogind also18:18
dashie_will check18:18
fsmithredI need to go make lunch18:18
fsmithredI'll be back in about 20 minutes18:18
dashie_how do I search installed packages?18:18
dashie_because I'm dumb18:19
fsmithreddpkg -l |grep <pattern>18:19
fsmithredbbiab18:19
dashie_policykit packages are installed18:19
dashie_yep, it's all installed18:20
dashie_brb18:21
dashie_back18:30
dashie_n4dir: by the way, I think it has something to do with authentication, from some of the logs I've looked through, it says it's failed to authenticate the session18:32
dashie_not me, just the session18:32
n4dirThere is a lot of if and when and then (which softeware, so on).18:33
n4dirStill: you use a display-manager18:33
n4dir?18:34
n4dirThe other thing: ages ago i had problems with the file ~/.Xauthority18:34
dashie_I use MATE, and that's all I know18:34
n4diri removed it, and the problem was solved. remove might mean: mv ~/.Xauthority ~/Xauthority_Backup18:34
dashie_my friend actually had me try that18:34
dashie_no dics18:35
n4dirthe thing before you see Mate itself. The login screen. Where you enter username and passwd18:35
dashie_dice*18:35
dashie_what about it is supposed to tip me off?18:35
n4dirYou got such a login screen? Which most call display-manger?18:35
dashie_uh, yeah, I get a login screen18:36
n4dirGood. So, first test, i would install a small WM, say "apt-get install fluxbox", and choose that from the display-manager18:36
n4dirCheck if that works. If it does, the problem is within Mate18:36
n4dirIf it doesn't, stop the display-manager, say /etc/init.d/name-of stop; then use startx to start X18:37
n4dirIf that fails too, then i ran out of ideas. You already tested a different user above, iirc18:37
dashie_it had two options by default, actually18:37
dashie_"default X session" was the other18:37
dashie_for some reason18:37
dashie_I tried that, unintentionally, if that matters18:38
n4dirThen there are log file. ~/.xsession-errors , or similar18:38
xinomilonever had issues with MATE, do you have elogind+lightdm installed along MATE?18:38
xinomiloi think slim DM had some issues, but never really used it tbh.18:39
dashie_I have elogind and lightdm18:39
dashie_I actually purged and reinstalled lightdm18:39
dashie_along with the entire MATE desktop18:39
dashie_to try to fix this18:39
xinomilotry n4dir suggestions18:41
xinomiloinstall a different WM/DE , check ~/.xsession-errors, auth/syslog/xorg logs..18:42
xinomilothere should be a hint someplace18:42
dashie_for some reason, the authentication "conversation" is failing18:43
dashie_it seems like it's looking for systemd components18:43
dashie_it also hasn't created /etc/securetty18:44
fsmithredlibpam-elogind18:44
dashie_gkr-pam says it can't find the daemon it wants18:45
fsmithredinstalling on hardware or is this a VM?18:47
dashie_hardware18:48
xinomilogkr-pam could be missing `libpam-gnome-keyring`18:49
xinomilonot sure18:49
dashie_it's installed18:50
dashie_wow18:50
dashie_I've never seen anything fuck me over this hard18:50
dashie_brb18:51
dashie_I gotta help cook18:51
n4dirisn't there a contradiction between the last sentence and the one before that? ha ha . Sorry, i couldn't resist18:52
dashie_oh so true, but I'm back now19:15
dashie_has anyone come up with why this is happening?19:16
dashie_that's not a good sign19:19
djphwhy what is happening?19:26
dashie__I apologize, fsmith, I don't know how to use irssi either19:27
dashie__anyway19:27
dashie__I do have libpam elogind19:28
fsmithredok, anything in ~/.xsession-errors?19:28
fsmithredor /var/log/Xorg.0.log?19:28
fsmithredlook for lines starting with EE in the Xorg log19:29
dashie__from xsession-erros I think19:29
dashie__lightdm gkr-pam: unable to locate daemon control file19:29
dashie__something like that19:29
n4dirthere is a mouse for TTY. But before that is figured out the actual problem is probably solved19:30
fsmithredI can't find a package or file named gkr-pam19:31
dashie__it's something lightdm is trying to do19:32
dashie__apparently19:32
fsmithredyou have this version of lightdm? 1.26.0-7+devuan119:33
dashie__no errors in Xorg.0.log19:33
dashie__yes, that version19:33
fsmithreddpkg -l | egrep "policykit|polkit|consolekit|elogind|libpam" > kits19:34
fsmithrednc termbin.com 9999 < kits19:34
fsmithredthen give me the link19:34
systemdletesystemdlete19:35
systemdleteoops19:36
systemdletewas trying to search back...19:36
* systemdlete is red-faced19:36
dashie__I just did that in /root by accident, should I put it somewhere else/19:36
dashie__I can cd real quick, I just need to know19:36
fsmithredno, it doesn't matter19:36
dashie__okay19:36
systemdleteI've been able to implement cgroups for limiting ram usage.  It does seem to be working.  Just following up on this issue.   Configuring cgroups is simple, but only after much searching for clues.19:38
dashie__I just quit and restarted irssi to get out of that19:39
dashie__I wish I knew how to control this client19:39
dashie__did you recieve the termbin, fsmith?19:39
fsmithredyes19:39
systemdleteSo now I no longer have run-away firefox sessions eating up all my memory.  Eventually, it does crash, just as predicted.  But that is preferable over hanging the entire system and having to reboot, etc.19:39
dashie__okay19:39
fsmithredthat looks ok19:39
dashie__damn19:40
fsmithreddid you try a plain window manager?19:40
systemdleteI still can't wait for my new TV to arrive from Newegg.  Wish I had ordered it from Walmart, they would have gotten it here much faster.  But oh well.  So I read books instead.  Probably better anyway.19:40
dashie__a plain window manager?19:40
dashie__like what n4dir suggested?19:40
fsmithredinstall jwm then try 'startx /usr/bin/jwm'19:40
fsmithredyeah19:40
fsmithredI think that command is right19:40
systemdleteNEW TOPIC.   Does anyone know of an add-on for firefox that creates a log of network traffic, noting the web pages and javascripts, ip addresses, etc?   I know how to use the web developer tools, but that's not what I am looking for.19:41
systemdleteI want to generate a log which I can run a script over later on to pull out various information.19:42
fsmithrednot ff addon, but iptraf will do that19:42
fsmithrednot sure about saving it to a log. I think it's possible.19:42
systemdletefsmithred:  THanks.  Will it note which javascript the traffic originated from?19:42
dashie__the only thing it loaded with is a taskbar at the bottom19:42
fsmithredno, just addresses19:43
fsmithredwhat? jwm?19:43
dashie__yes19:43
fsmithredyeah, that is correct19:43
fsmithredthere's a menu in there to start apps or open a terminal19:43
fsmithredoh19:43
fsmithredas user, in your home dir19:44
fsmithredmv .config config.old19:44
fsmithredlog out log in19:44
fsmithredno19:44
fsmithredthat's the same as making a new user, which you already did19:44
dashie__jwm outputted to Xorg.1.log, checking it out now19:45
n4dirdidn't i warn you people 2021 will get bad. What lousy problems to start a new year. But i think we are close19:47
dashie__everything is fine19:47
dashie__that log looks pristine19:47
fsmithredmaybe check the mate startup apps to see if things got turned off19:47
fsmithredassuming no mate packages are missing19:47
dashie__I just startx'd AND MATE LOADED19:48
dashie__it loaded my wallpaper, all my stuff19:48
fsmithred???19:48
dashie__I used startx in VT5 and it loaded my wallpaper and files19:48
dashie__I see all my emulators and everything19:48
dashie__except for the network thing19:49
dashie__in the top right taskbar19:49
fsmithredsoyou should be able to log out and then get in through lightdm19:49
fsmithredoh, you probably didn't replace wicd19:49
dashie__O19:49
dashie__I'm on wired19:49
dashie__do I need it?19:49
fsmithredmake sure wicd is all gone and install19:49
fsmithredoh, maybe not19:49
dashie__if it's just for wifi, I don't need it19:50
dashie__eth019:50
fsmithredyou probably need something in /etc/network/interfaces19:50
dashie__it's loading power manager, pulseaudio, and the keyring19:50
fsmithredthis is with lightdm now?19:51
dashie__yes19:51
fsmithredsounds like it might be fixed19:51
dashie__I mean19:51
dashie__it's the display manager19:51
dashie__the login screen19:51
dashie__it won't let me log in there19:51
fsmithredoh19:51
dashie__but it works in VT5?19:51
fsmithredsame version of lightdm that I'm using in chimaera on my laptop19:52
fsmithredwith xfce19:52
fsmithredwhich I upgraded from beowulf19:52
dashie__it's definitely just the login screen19:52
dashie__I don't understand at all19:53
fsmithredgot a command prompt?19:54
dashie__I can get terminal and root both19:54
fsmithredyeah19:54
fsmithredboth19:54
dashie__at your command, sir19:54
fsmithredcat /usr/share/lightdm/lightdm.conf.d/01_debian.conf19:55
fsmithredlook at xserver-share19:55
fsmithredis it true or false?19:55
dashie__xserver-share is FALSE19:56
fsmithredok, check /etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf to see that the same thing is commented or false19:56
fsmithredit'll be the second instance of xserver-share in lightdm.conf19:57
dashie__okay, looking now19:57
fsmithredfirst one is just part of the instructions19:57
dashie__it's true19:58
dashie__it's commented out, though I think?19:58
fsmithredstarts with #19:59
dashie__yeah, it's #xserver-share = true19:59
fsmithredok, try uncommenting that line19:59
fsmithredand restart lightdm19:59
fsmithredsee if it fixes it19:59
dashie__under seat*?19:59
fsmithredthat's something that was changed in recent version19:59
fsmithredthe one that has no space between the = and the words around it20:00
fsmithredyeah, in the seat section20:00
dashie__no, that didn't fix it20:00
dashie__still getting failed session error on login screen20:01
dashie__should I comment that back out/20:01
fsmithredyeah20:02
dashie__I find it weird that the login screen is what's causing so much pain20:03
n4diri find it weird that people keep it installed :-)20:04
fsmithredwell, without it you can't shutdown or reboot from the desktop unless you do some fiddling with it20:05
n4diri think i can20:05
n4dirbut usually i do it from the terminal. and usually i don't use xfce20:05
dashie__you can fiddle with it? that's great20:05
dashie__I'm dumb and can't do that20:05
dashie__am I cool to use the x session in vt5 until we've found out why it won't me log in on vt7?20:06
fsmithredwhen I use a window manager, I usually configure sudo with no password for my user to shutdown and reboot20:06
fsmithredyou could try a different login manager20:06
fsmithredslim or lxdm20:06
dashie__hm20:07
fsmithredbut none is ok, too20:07
dashie__I mean, it's just me on this computer, but I have two users for real use20:07
dashie__mine, and a mangos user to run my wow server20:08
fsmithredas soon as I clear some hard drive space, I'll copy my beowulf mate VM and then upgrade it to chimaera20:09
dashie__you may not get the same results as me20:09
fsmithredyeah, I know20:09
dashie__though, it was mostly stock, I did have some python stuff for that game I mentioned20:09
dashie__well, anyway20:09
dashie__uhm, am I free to use the session in VT5 without worry?20:10
dashie__or should I stop the login manager and use vt7?20:10
fsmithredI would stop the login manager and use vt1 because that's where I would be after booting up20:11
dashie__I just wanna watch some youtube videos20:12
dashie__I guess I'm cool to just use my desktop in vt5?20:13
fsmithredyeah20:14
dashie__okay, thanks20:14
fsmithreddoesn't have to be 520:14
fsmithredany one you choose20:14
DashiePieoh sweet gui20:17
DashiePieI can finally eat and sleep soundly20:17
DashiePiethanks to all of you who've helped me get to this point20:18
fsmithredyw20:18
DashiePie<320:18
n4dirupgrade to unstable, then we can have fun tomorrow again :-)20:19
n4dirkidding aside: glad this is solved. congrats20:19
xinomilosid/ceres is not what it used to be.. could just be called stable-proposed-backports :D20:21
brocashelmyeah, sid is hardly living up to its name these days20:25
brocashelmmay as well just call it arch linux with apt20:25
DashiePiewell21:11
DashiePieI can't play youtube videos21:11
DashiePieor webms21:13
DashiePieit just breaks the page and says "error 256" and suggests restarting my stuff21:13
DashiePiedoesn't happen with just images21:14
DashiePieso much for usable :c21:15
fsmithredin the middle of upgrading here21:15
DashiePiehm21:23
fsmithredrebooting21:34
DashiePieI think it has something to do with pepperflash now21:34
fsmithredOH!21:35
fsmithredsorry I could not reproduce your error21:35
fsmithredI just had one of the smoothest upgrades I've ever done21:35
fsmithredthis was a recent netinstall with speech synth (it reads to me)21:36
fsmithredorca was not working in lightdm or mate21:36
fsmithredafter the upgrade, it works21:36
DashiePieI'm a magnet for disaster21:37
DashiePieI'm that disaster kid meme21:37
fsmithredwell, if we can figure out what breaks, we should keep you around for QC21:37
fsmithredI can't think of all the ways people can break stuff, so any help is appreciated.21:38
fsmithredto be fair, I've seen a number of upgrades and migrations go badly21:38
DashiePieah shit, I just reinstalled pepperflash21:38
DashiePieit did nothing21:38
fsmithredwell, are you sure it's the same version you had before?21:39
fsmithredflash died yesterday21:39
fsmithredgive it up21:39
DashiePiereally wish they hadn't killed it21:40
DashiePieit doesn't even have anything to do with pepperflash21:41
DashiePiehow can I diagnose this?21:41
DashiePiehow do I run chromium in terminal?21:42
masonDashiePie: Just type "chromium"21:43
brocashelmi just use mpv/youtube-dl for youtube videos21:44
DashiePiehttps://pastebin.com/Rr8RrNDw21:44
DashiePieoh boy, today's just great21:51
fsmithredtry this...21:51
fsmithredln -s /var/lib/dbus/machine-id /etc/machine-id21:51
fsmithredthen try starting chromium in terminal again21:51
DashiePieas root or myself?21:51
fsmithredroot21:52
fsmithreduser for chromium21:52
DashiePie2 less warnings, another stack track21:53
DashiePietrace*21:53
DashiePieI never should've upgraded21:58
DashiePieI found and tried glxinfo | egrep "(OpenGL vendor|OpenGL renderer|OpenGL version)22:07
DashiePieit sat there with a >22:07
DashiePieno words, just that >22:08
DashiePieI have the package installed that allows me to do that22:08
debdogtry glxinfo | egrep "(OpenGL vendor|OpenGL renderer|OpenGL version)"22:09
DashiePiefunnily enough, this command glxinfo | grep "direct rendering"22:09
DashiePiereturns yes22:09
debdogmissing " at the end22:09
DashiePiewell, there it is22:10
DashiePieoh boy22:10
DashiePiecould this have anything to do with the vulkan side of things?22:14
DashiePieI don't know22:14
DashiePieI have no idea22:14
DashiePieI have 32-bit libraries22:19
DashiePieanything with that?22:19
DashiePiey'know what's funny?22:29
DashiePieit loaded an n64 rom just fine, no issues loading that at all in my emulator22:29
Guest9how do i abort refracta22:31
DashiePieoh, and if you want my Xorg.0.log...   https://pastebin.com/49YZVg2v22:31
Guest9alright uh22:32
Guest9i just clicked the exit option22:32
Guest9and it asked me for a password22:32
Guest9when i input nothing the install xterm window closed22:32
Guest9so hopefully i solved my issue22:32
fsmithredGuest9, where were you in the install?22:34
Guest9partitioning22:34
Guest9forgot to write down my device names22:34
fsmithredyou should be fine22:34
Guest9k22:34
fsmithredoh, cli installer?22:34
Guest9i used gdisk i think22:35
fsmithredwhen it gets to rsync, it's harder to stop, because it's multi-threaded22:35
Guest9Alright then, that's good22:35
DashiePiealso, web-based games aren't working23:18
fsmithredDashiePie, https://games.slashdot.org/story/21/01/01/029259/its-game-over-for-farmville-as-flash-also-buys-the-farm23:26
DashiePie>farmville23:28
DashiePieas if I'd be caught dead playing that23:28
DashiePiecaught dead, alive, or otherwise23:28
fsmithredyou mentioned flash earlier23:28
fsmithredand then online games23:28
fsmithredif any of your online games are flash, they might get shut down23:28
Guest9they could also be js23:29
fsmithredthat is still very much alive23:29
Guest9they could have an extension blocking it23:29
Guest9idk much about the issue so i'm not sure23:30
DashiePiewell, I'm definitely talking about games that don't need flash to run23:30
DashiePieso many good games, though, like Decision and Last Stand23:30
DashiePiegone23:30
Guest9newgrounds made something for it i think23:31
Guest9and some people have made flash emulators as well23:31
DashiePietrue, true23:31
Guest9also some people like bennett foddy and the henry stickmin guy ported their games to other platforms(HTML5 and PC respectively)23:33
DashiePiethey're good people23:34
Guest9what does the devuan keyring do?23:35
fsmithredauthenticates packages that get installed23:38
fsmithredfrom the devuan repo23:38
Guest9ah rihgt23:38
Guest9That's why there was the allow unauthenticated thing in the debian migration thing23:38
DashiePiewhat version of dxvk should I install in wine 5.0?23:40

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