| unixbsd | no idea, what is difficult to compile with ID software. It just needs "make". 15-20 min only. | 00:00 |
|---|---|---|
| tuxd3v | what only needs make? | 00:21 |
| tuxd3v | that would be very nice to have | 00:21 |
| tuxd3v | alien arena needs a lot of stuff | 00:21 |
| unixbsd | I will put the files on my ftp | 00:41 |
| unixbsd | url: https://github.com/ioquake/ioq3 , then unzip, cd, and "make". I installed lib of openal, zlib, sdl... and not so much actually. | 00:42 |
| unixbsd | then the file is here: ~/ioq3-master/build/release-linux-x86_64 | 00:43 |
| unixbsd | I am compiling now supertuxkart, becasue on bullseye, the deb of devuan gives crashes with segmentation fault. | 01:51 |
| unixbsd | I have compiled supertuxkart, it looks more stable, I guess it might be newer on github now. | 02:46 |
| e3d3 | I just installed Devuan Beowolf and all seems nice, but reloading package information in synaptic gives an error that the suite is changed from testing to stable. It tells me to read apt-secure(8) but yesterday here someone told me that I don't have to mess with gpg/encryption. What should I do now ? | 09:37 |
| debdog | e3d3: IIRC just run "apt update" as root. if I am wrong, it won't hurt anyway :) | 09:44 |
| e3d3 | debdog, thanks, I'll try it. | 09:45 |
| n4dir | e3d3: It would be good if you would post the content of the file /etc/apt/sources.list and if any other sources are to be found in /etc/apt/sources.d | 09:45 |
| n4dir | say to paste.debian.org (assuming it isnt't broken) | 09:46 |
| n4dir | And yes, usually you don't have to do anything with apt-secure or such. I sure never had to, only when adding third party repositories | 09:47 |
| n4dir | as debdog said do as root or with sudo in the terminal and tell if you got similar or other error messages. | 09:47 |
| e3d3 | debdog, that worked; error gone & list updated. Thanks | 09:48 |
| n4dir | great | 09:48 |
| debdog | \o/ | 09:48 |
| e3d3 | n4dir, I'll will paste the requested content, but the pastbin link is wrong. Did you mean https://paste.debian.net/ ? | 09:49 |
| n4dir | yeah, i posted from memory. If you are happy there is no need to still post it. And after installation usually the sources list should be perfectly fine | 09:50 |
| e3d3 | lucky it is solved. One moment I thought about deinstalling it, because yesterday I asked specially about this, but mistakes happen, specially by me. Thanks for helping | 09:51 |
| n4dir | Nah, no need to give up that quickly. There is always someone who can help, but this channel is not always that active. Just give it a bit time. Ask again a bit later. Your choice, of course. I can get in a fury too ... | 09:52 |
| n4dir | that is for deb-package-management in general. It usually can get sorted. | 09:53 |
| e3d3 | Thanks. This time I was better prepared, to avoid waisting time by forced long reading about things I can't remember because I rarely use them. Luckily I tested Devuan before and knew that it is good, so I controlled my temper. Hope I'll never bother you with this. | 10:00 |
| e3d3 | Is there interest for some feedback about my tiny installation issues ? | 10:00 |
| n4dir | sure, why not | 10:01 |
| e3d3 | its not much | 10:01 |
| e3d3 | first is the choice for grub-install in current partition, or use chroot. I wanted grub on another partition but only used chroot before with some spoonfeed instructions, so I had to repair grub afterwards | 10:03 |
| e3d3 | second is that just before installing it reported that my partitions where not alligned, nice but I missed the option to abandon install so I could correct it before installing. | 10:04 |
| e3d3 | that's all | 10:04 |
| n4dir | pretty sure there is a way to abandon, but it is not always obvioues. I think it is first "back" (or similar) | 10:05 |
| e3d3 | if I remember well (!) there was no such option, only install | 10:05 |
| n4dir | i don't remember that well myself. Just giving feedback to you | 10:06 |
| e3d3 | I pretty sure because I have been going back twice before. So now I use this install to investigate Devuan a little better, then re-partition and I guess a new install. Here it took 20 minutes so that's no problem | 10:08 |
| n4dir | Yeah, then i believe you. Of course. | 10:09 |
| e3d3 | or I can use refracta to use a snapshot, I guess. Still have to read about that. | 10:10 |
| n4dir | chroot usually is pretty straigth forward. Just look it up before and make some notes. | 10:10 |
| n4dir | You can install refractasnapshot, from the devuan repos. Let me quickly check, i am rather sure | 10:10 |
| n4dir | yup | 10:10 |
| e3d3 | It is already installed here | 10:12 |
| n4dir | ha. | 10:12 |
| n4dir | fsmithred can sure help you with any questions. Back a few years i used it quite often, and it really is straight forward. | 10:13 |
| n4dir | he often is here, but right now it is the middle of the night for him ... | 10:14 |
| n4dir | well, i just run it. Only if i wanted to exclude certain files/folders in addition to the ones already excluded, that i would need to quickly look up myself | 10:15 |
| e3d3 | thanks. a qlance at the start menu tells me I better read something about it, which I'll do if I think it doesn't take 20 minutes. Can the snapshot run live and install ? | 10:16 |
| n4dir | i think so. As said: been quite a few years. I ran it short ago, but in quite a hurry. | 10:16 |
| n4dir | but i for one am sure you can | 10:17 |
| n4dir | the result is in /home/snapshot, iirc | 10:18 |
| n4dir | yeah, right, the according files/folders you find in /etc/refractasnapshot.conf | 10:20 |
| n4dir | as in: kind of a documentation | 10:20 |
| e3d3 | np, I'll take my time for that or pray that Google offers something relevant. | 10:22 |
| e3d3 | another question that comes to me now; I had more than once issues with changing key bindings in XFCE. It didn't remember them, changed them suddenly after many reboots etc Is this also a familiar problem here ? | 10:23 |
| n4dir | really, ask fsmithred here. He can explain very well, is patient and all. And he knows it in and out | 10:23 |
| e3d3 | okay, I'll better check if IRC logs are saved so I can recall the good advice. | 10:24 |
| n4dir | i myself didn't hear of that problem, neither here nor elsewhere. Sorry. | 10:24 |
| n4dir | nah, just ask, he will answer, no need to "ping" him. | 10:24 |
| e3d3 | np, is good. I encountered simular issues on EasyOS (a kind of Puppy Linux) and regular distro's. I try to avoid the mouse so this issue is important to me. I'll find out. | 10:26 |
| e3d3 | I was never happy with 'man' pages, until I start using EasyOS, which strips the man & info pages from packages to save space. Because I prefer to do as long with my primairy OS, I'll RTFM until my config is done, but can't help sometimes asking stupid questions. | 10:32 |
| n4dir | me too | 10:36 |
| n4dir | minus the rtfm :-) | 10:36 |
| e3d3 | :) | 10:36 |
| e3d3 | thanks & Good day/night/in between | 11:08 |
| unixbsd | tuxd3v: this would help you to compile ioquake3 for devuan : https://gitlab.com/openbsd98324/ioquake3-debian | 12:12 |
| unixbsd | tuxd3v: It works on ARM fine and amd64: ioquake3-debian/ioq3/build/release-linux-arm $ ./ioquake3.arm | 12:32 |
| unixbsd | tuxd3v: this may be interesting for your use, https://gitlab.com/openbsd98324/supertuxkart-debian for bullseye | 15:52 |
| dokma | Forgot what was the name of the config file which specified which executable will handle a request? | 22:26 |
| dokma | You could start a process to handle an incomind request through that file instead of having a process run all the time | 22:28 |
| dokma | /etc/something.conf I think | 22:29 |
| dokma | So I've been following the instructions to migrate from Buster to Beowulf and now I have a system that doesn't boot. I don't have init. | 23:19 |
| dokma | I've managed to boot into bash and can access the internet but my apt does not work because it requires systemd libraries. IDIOCY! | 23:21 |
| dokma | So now I need to somehow manually install devuan systemd | 23:21 |
| dokma | How do I manually download Devuan packages? | 23:22 |
| fsmithred | make sure elogind and libpam-elogind are installed | 23:22 |
| fsmithred | depends on which packages - you can use 'apt download <package>' | 23:22 |
| fsmithred | for any of them | 23:22 |
| dokma | fsmithred: not having init is a bit bigger problem | 23:22 |
| dokma | apt doesn't work | 23:23 |
| dokma | Seems to be from Debian | 23:23 |
| fsmithred | is systemd still installed? | 23:23 |
| dokma | No | 23:23 |
| dokma | But apt wants systemd libs | 23:23 |
| dokma | So I want to manually download apt.deb | 23:23 |
| dokma | And dpkg -i | 23:23 |
| fsmithred | cat /proc/1/comm | 23:23 |
| dokma | Where is the apt deb file? | 23:23 |
| fsmithred | or you can't get that far? | 23:23 |
| fsmithred | files.devuan.org | 23:24 |
| fsmithred | in the /devuan folder | 23:24 |
| dokma | fsmithred: I've booted into bash | 23:24 |
| dokma | instead of init | 23:24 |
| fsmithred | ok | 23:24 |
| dokma | I have eth0 | 23:24 |
| fsmithred | cool | 23:24 |
| dokma | So I can download a deb and dpkg -i | 23:24 |
| fsmithred | so /lib/systemd/systemd is gone? | 23:24 |
| dokma | No, it is still present | 23:25 |
| fsmithred | so you could probably boot with init=/lib/systemd/systemd | 23:25 |
| dokma | Let me try | 23:26 |
| fsmithred | someone else was in the same position a few days ago | 23:26 |
| dokma | Are these instructions lacking the sysvinit install step? https://www.devuan.org/os/documentation/dev1fanboy/en/buster-to-beowulf.html | 23:27 |
| fsmithred | I'm pretty sure it's in there | 23:28 |
| dokma | Can you read it? | 23:28 |
| dokma | I can boot now | 23:28 |
| dokma | sysvinit is not even mentioned | 23:29 |
| fsmithred | you are correct | 23:30 |
| dokma | I booted but apt still does not work | 23:30 |
| fsmithred | I don't think I've done it that way. I have done it another way. | 23:30 |
| fsmithred | what is it saying? | 23:30 |
| dokma | How do I manually download sysvinit from Devuan? | 23:30 |
| dokma | same thing | 23:31 |
| dokma | libsystemd.so.0 missing | 23:31 |
| mason | fsmithred: Do you remember where amesser's builds for Beowulf live? | 23:31 |
| mason | I don't, myself. | 23:31 |
| fsmithred | eudev? | 23:32 |
| mason | fsmithred: I was thinking that apt that doesn't link libelogind0 | 23:32 |
| fsmithred | dokma, you sure you have a debian version of apt? I can give you a link for the devuan version. | 23:33 |
| fsmithred | oh, I told you the wrong place | 23:33 |
| dokma | fsmithred: the executable is linked to systemd | 23:33 |
| fsmithred | not files.devuan.org | 23:33 |
| fsmithred | pkgmaster.devuan.org | 23:33 |
| dokma | I installed the missing library so my Debian apt is working now | 23:34 |
| dokma | I'll go ahead and install the sysvinit | 23:34 |
| dokma | But which step should install all the packages from Devuan over Debian ones? | 23:34 |
| fsmithred | ok, for beowulf, apt is the debian version | 23:35 |
| fsmithred | sysvinit-core | 23:35 |
| fsmithred | all? | 23:35 |
| fsmithred | they don't all get replaced | 23:35 |
| mason | fsmithred: Even Devuan's apt links it. This is a distinct build, IIRC. | 23:36 |
| dokma | What? Devuan apt links systemd? What the hell for? | 23:36 |
| fsmithred | ask debian | 23:37 |
| fsmithred | 99% of the packages in devuan are not forked | 23:37 |
| dokma | I see | 23:37 |
| fsmithred | when I did it, the first thing I did was install sysvinit-core from debian | 23:42 |
| fsmithred | and then did not reboot until the end, after migrating to devuan | 23:43 |
| fsmithred | dokma, please say a little about what is installed in your system. What desktop, any third-party stuff installed? | 23:44 |
| dokma | Ok, sysvinit installed. Let me see if I can boot now | 23:45 |
| dokma | Running XFCE | 23:45 |
| dokma | NVIDIA proprietary drivers. Nothing else third party | 23:45 |
| dokma | Booted | 23:46 |
| mason | dokma: Yeah, it makes for a good, usable system. | 23:49 |
| dokma | Now that I'm booted on initv do I need to do anything else to clean up? | 23:50 |
| fsmithred | not sure | 23:52 |
| dokma | How long have you been on Devuan? | 23:52 |
| fsmithred | since jessie alpha, I think | 23:53 |
| dokma | My desktop has been on Debian for 16 years. Now I had to switch due to this systemd idiocy. | 23:53 |
| fsmithred | dpkg -l |grep systemd | 23:53 |
| fsmithred | once you get the migration settled, you'll feel like you came home | 23:54 |
| mason | dokma: Hrm. Not sure when I started running it for stuff. Not WILDLY long ago. Some months before Beowulf was released anyway. | 23:54 |
| dokma | Is it stable? | 23:54 |
| mason | dokma: Yes. | 23:54 |
| fsmithred | yes | 23:54 |
| mason | dokma: I'd been using Debian since I switched from NetBSD some fifteen years ago, and Devuan feels just right. | 23:54 |
| fsmithred | people running ceres (sid) say it's more stable than ubuntu | 23:54 |
| dokma | I wonder what Ian would've thought about this. Too bad he's dead. | 23:54 |
| dokma | With all this systemd garbage Debian started feeling like Windows | 23:57 |
| dokma | Everything tied into everything like a black box. Chasing problems became woodoo stuff | 23:58 |
| dokma | Like why the hell does apt need systemd? Supposedly an init package... | 23:58 |
| mason | dokma: If you care a lot, get into Debian packaging and get ready to maintain packages. | 23:59 |
| mason | I have a bunch more to learn, but the projects needs many more folks to thrive. | 23:59 |
| dokma | I don't want to be around Debian any more | 23:59 |
| dokma | I'll help with Devuan though | 23:59 |
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