| mason | dokma: Being comfortable building correct .debs is the most useful skill right now. | 00:00 |
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| dokma | Never built one. But I am a developer so... | 00:01 |
| edpii | Hi everyone. I have a problem with devuan beowulf install. Installation process goes fine, but after removing usb stick and rebooting, my system shows a black screen with a blinking underscore in top left corner. Do you have any idea how to fix this? Thanks! | 12:13 |
| metalune[m] | are you on a laptop? unplug stuff like display cables | 12:14 |
| gnarface | edpii: which installer did you use? | 12:15 |
| edpii | devuan_beowulf_3.0.0_amd64-netinstall.iso | 12:15 |
| gnarface | alright, so not the live one | 12:15 |
| gnarface | any chance to access it over the network via ssh? | 12:16 |
| edpii | I am on a laptop. Thinkpad E595. I dont have anything plugged in. | 12:16 |
| edpii | gnarface I will try. | 12:16 |
| gnarface | range of potential issues, to narrow it down need to get some text from somewhere | 12:17 |
| gnarface | you might need to remove "quiet" from the kernel command-line | 12:18 |
| gnarface | unfortunately i don't know the errata for that specific device | 12:19 |
| gnarface | if you can get in via ssh, run "dmesg" and also check the contents of ~/.local/share/xorg/Xorg.0.log and /var/log/Xorg.0.log | 12:20 |
| gnarface | also, if none of this works, it might help to have a copy of the live image to test with | 12:22 |
| xinomilo | do you get a boot devuan menu or nothing? | 12:22 |
| xinomilo | what happens with the usb-stick connected while reboot? | 12:23 |
| onefang | Did it actually boot, and failed at the X startup, and maybe you can get to a text console via Ctrl-Alt-F1? | 12:24 |
| gnarface | yea, test this stuff edpii ^ | 12:25 |
| gnarface | need to know if it gets to grub or not | 12:25 |
| gnarface | some bioses would exhibit this behavior if it did not find a bootable OS on the expected harddrive partition | 12:25 |
| gnarface | but also a misconfigured multi-head setup does the same thing, which is why you were told to unplug any other display cables | 12:26 |
| gnarface | and i'm actually not 100% sure it couldn't be related to secure boot either | 12:26 |
| gnarface | so that's basically 3 entirely separate tiers that can fail here on you with the same exact symptom | 12:27 |
| gnarface | so it could be anything from a missing package or configuration line, to a installation error, to a driver glitch | 12:28 |
| gnarface | even in theory a bios config change could cause this | 12:29 |
| gnarface | like if the default boot device order got changed | 12:29 |
| gnarface | doesn't necessarily matter but depends on the linux side configuration | 12:30 |
| gnarface | but if it's hanging during boot, the default kernel command-line likely is suppressing any relevant errors that you'd see right there before the cursor | 12:31 |
| Mahukari | Hi. Is this the channel for devuan os problem solving? My fresh install of devuan always boots into terminal instead of gui. I made sure to check XFCE option during installation. I use laptop with amd ryzen 7 and amd radeon vega graphics. | 13:28 |
| Mahukari | sudo apt install firmware-amd-graphics doesnt solve this | 13:29 |
| Mahukari | and startx doesnt work | 13:29 |
| Mahukari | Xorg log says (EE) open /dev/dri/card0: No such file or directory | 13:32 |
| Mahukari | (EE) Unable to find a valid framebuffer device | 13:33 |
| Mahukari | (EE) Screen 0 deleted because of no matching config section. | 13:33 |
| Mahukari | (EE) Cannot run in framebuffer mode. Please specify busODs for all framebuffer devices | 13:34 |
| Mahukari | There's more, I just picked the EE messages | 13:34 |
| Mahukari | Any ideas how to make GUI work? | 13:34 |
| fsmithred | this is the right place for devuan support | 13:43 |
| fsmithred | my first guess that you need newer software | 13:43 |
| Mahukari | this means apt-get update and upgrade, right? | 13:44 |
| fsmithred | maybe try backports kernel | 13:45 |
| fsmithred | or if you want to try a live-iso with a newer kernel, I have a few | 13:46 |
| fsmithred | or maybe one (I deleted some yesterday) | 13:46 |
| Mahukari | sounds good, can you share? | 13:46 |
| fsmithred | https://get.refracta.org/files/experimental/refracta-test-oblx_5.9bpo_openrc-20201229_0205.iso | 13:47 |
| Mahukari | BTW how do I learn to really understand linux? I always search solutions, but don't understand how do they work | 13:47 |
| Mahukari | thanks | 13:47 |
| fsmithred | it's a devuan re-spin with backports kernel and some wireless firmware installed | 13:48 |
| fsmithred | wow, lots to read. There's a good beginners guide at forums.debian.net | 13:48 |
| fsmithred | and most of the documentation for debian works for devuan except where systemd is involved | 13:49 |
| Mahukari | thanks, got some work to do :) | 13:50 |
| fsmithred | good luck | 13:51 |
| fsmithred | also search LPI 101 for course materials | 13:51 |
| Mahukari | is there a chance to run some FSF-endorsed distro on my hardware? i believe i need some non-free firmware... | 13:52 |
| fsmithred | the two are mutually exclusive | 13:57 |
| Mahukari | it seems hard to get a laptop that can run such a distro | 13:58 |
| fsmithred | yeah. I think it's called system76 that makes fsf compatible laptops | 13:59 |
| fsmithred | you could try gnuinos, which is based on devuan | 13:59 |
| Mahukari | fsmithred got a problem with backports. after adding backports to sources.list, apt update says "Failed to fetch http://deb.devuan.org/merged/beowulf-backports/InRelease Could not resolve 'deb.devuan' | 14:27 |
| fsmithred | ot | 14:28 |
| Mahukari | missing /dists/ in the link i sent | 14:28 |
| fsmithred | it's resolving here | 14:28 |
| fsmithred | dists? | 14:28 |
| fsmithred | oh | 14:28 |
| Mahukari | Failed to fetch http://deb.devuan.org/merged/dists/beowulf-backports/InRelease | 14:29 |
| fsmithred | can you ping devuan.org or something else? | 14:29 |
| Mahukari | yep, ping successful | 14:30 |
| Mahukari | fixed, got typo in sources.list | 14:31 |
| fsmithred | deb http://deb.devuan.org/merged beowu | 14:31 |
| fsmithred | aha! | 14:31 |
| Mahukari | I installed backports kernel and it works now! Thank you so much. | 14:37 |
| fsmithred | cool! | 14:39 |
| Mahukari | May I ask how did this solve my problem? Maybe kernel/drivers compatibility? | 14:39 |
| gnarface | yes, just newer drivers basically | 14:39 |
| gnarface | they're bundled along with the kernel itself | 14:39 |
| fsmithred | new hardware tends to be a problem with debian | 14:39 |
| fsmithred | stability beats shiny new | 14:40 |
| n4dir | i don't think i ever heard of an installation iso which ships with a newer kernel. | 14:40 |
| fsmithred | nope | 14:41 |
| n4dir | which is odd, as nonfree-isos are out there and the old-kernel problem is rather usual | 14:41 |
| fsmithred | that's why I make test isos with bpo kernel | 14:41 |
| n4dir | i guess a debootstrap installation would be a way out, but sure not very comfortable | 14:41 |
| fsmithred | they're easy if you've done them before | 14:42 |
| gnarface | incidentally, this could end up to be edpii's problem too. i suspected it right away but didn't mention it... how new is the Thinkpad E595? | 14:42 |
| n4dir | yeah, well, or simply such. I meant rather debian itself. Why not addressing the well known problem | 14:42 |
| n4dir | fsmithred: debootstrap installations? | 14:42 |
| fsmithred | yeah | 14:42 |
| fsmithred | first few times I did one I forgot either the kernel or the root password or both | 14:43 |
| n4dir | Yeah, easy they are, but not as comfortable as hitting the enter key now and then | 14:43 |
| fsmithred | right | 14:43 |
| n4dir | but with the according how-to anyone can do them. | 14:43 |
| n4dir | even first day linux users. Overstretching this a little bit | 14:44 |
| fsmithred | gnarface, I see a review for E595 with a ryzen 7 | 14:44 |
| Mahukari | E595 is 2019 | 14:44 |
| fsmithred | I have debootstrap instructions in user's home dir | 14:44 |
| fsmithred | and beowulf kernel is what, 2018? | 14:45 |
| fsmithred | I need to go. bbl. | 14:46 |
| Mahukari | bye | 14:47 |
| fazzah | hey, i got a problem with fresh install of devuan. sound is not working and i do not see any volume control icon. how to approach this? | 16:09 |
| gnarface | xfce? | 16:11 |
| gnarface | you're missing a package | 16:11 |
| gnarface | i forget the name | 16:11 |
| fazzah | yes, xfce | 16:13 |
| nemo | https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=3-years-specmelt | 16:14 |
| nemo | https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=3-years-specmelt&num=7 | 16:20 |
| nemo | ouch | 16:20 |
| fsmithred | pavucontrol and check /etc/pulse/client.conf.d/00-disable-autospawn.conf | 16:42 |
| nemo | fazzah: ↑ | 16:53 |
| nemo | oh. you just came back | 16:53 |
| nemo | 10:42 < fsmithred> pavucontrol and check /etc/pulse/client.conf.d/00-disable-autospawn.conf | 16:53 |
| nemo | that one | 16:53 |
| nemo | and yeah. that's bitten me several times | 16:54 |
| nemo | wonder if there's anything automatic devuan could do | 16:54 |
| fsmithred | there is, and we probably will | 16:54 |
| fsmithred | and in chimaera they changed it to enable pulse by default | 16:54 |
| nemo | cool | 16:55 |
| nemo | fsmithred: but given how many people don't think to come by here, maybe could have like a -1 update to pulse in stable ☺ | 16:55 |
| fsmithred | I think we were going to do it without forking pulse | 16:55 |
| nemo | dependency package? | 16:56 |
| nemo | pulse-fixups ? | 16:56 |
| nemo | hmmm. that would still require fork I guess | 16:56 |
| fsmithred | yeah, or devuan-sanity | 16:56 |
| fsmithred | which already exists | 16:56 |
| nemo | ooh. you have a fixup package already. nice | 16:56 |
| fsmithred | for vim, so far | 16:56 |
| nemo | huh. vim depends on systemd? for shame | 16:57 |
| fsmithred | no | 16:57 |
| fsmithred | vi or vim now has some insanity in the default config | 16:57 |
| fsmithred | bbl | 16:57 |
| n4dir | how come you say vim depends on systemd? | 16:58 |
| fsmithred | it doesn't - it was an assumption | 16:58 |
| fsmithred | because we have a package to fix it | 16:58 |
| nemo | n4dir: I was wondering why devuan which focuses on being debian - systemd would need additional fixups for vim | 16:58 |
| nemo | the assumption was it was systemd fixups. | 16:58 |
| nemo | but apparently not! | 16:58 |
| fsmithred | it was an itch that got scratched | 16:59 |
| nemo | fair 'nuff | 16:59 |
| fsmithred | ok, afk for real now | 16:59 |
| nemo | just glad you guys aren't *too* far from debian - it sure makes installing debian packages easier | 16:59 |
| nemo | binary crap at work and such | 16:59 |
| dokma | I don't want to be around Debian any more | 18:08 |
| e3d3 | yesterday I install Devuan and everything seems well, expect that XFCE doesn't maximize Emacs windows properly. I can't see the bottom half of the g and j characters on the bottom line. Does anyone know this issue and possible solution ? | 19:44 |
| e3d3 | expect = except | 19:45 |
| n4dir | e3d3: as no one answers: same for fullscreen, i think alt+F11 or F10 ? | 19:51 |
| e3d3 | n4dir, those are the default key bindings for maximizing and fullscreen. I know but the problem is that the maximized size is only for Emacs windows a little to big | 19:52 |
| e3d3 | here a screenshot. See bottom line: https://paste.pics/c49069d9dbe5717571f1529e4829b0f5 | 19:53 |
| e3d3 | I'm also asking this on #xfce and #emacs because I don't know what causes this problem | 19:55 |
| n4dir | ah, i see it. Even with the screenshot it took me a while. Yeah, sucks. No idea what might cause this. A good idea to ask in emacs and xfce too. Good luck | 19:55 |
| e3d3 | thank you, looks like I need it | 19:56 |
| e3d3 | do you think that other people here might know it ? I had this issue not with other XFCE distro's so suspect that Devuan has to do something with it. | 20:00 |
| n4dir | i do know that some use xfce4. I am not sure if some or a few use emacs. So, in short, give it a bit of time, perhaps even ask the very same again | 20:01 |
| n4dir | i guess i would even ask in debian, as i can't see why it should matter for xfce/emacs, and perhaps someone there knows the problem. | 20:02 |
| e3d3 | I will, before installing and configuration another desktop, of which I won't see more than some window borders and buttons. Thanks you again for your friendly help | 20:03 |
| fsmithred | e3d3, you could try changing the desktop theme. Small chance it might help. | 20:10 |
| fsmithred | I've seen similar issues with some program and gtk3 | 20:10 |
| e3d3 | fsmithred, I already did. It didn't solve it | 20:10 |
| fsmithred | too bad | 20:11 |
| fsmithred | I ran into it with yad. Buttons were off-screen. | 20:11 |
| e3d3 | I give it some IRC time before starting over | 20:12 |
| e3d3 | I'm asking it now also on #emacs, #xfce and #debian | 20:12 |
| n4dir | i asked in the usually silent dragora channel, as most there use emacs. On answered, but doesn't know about that problem. If someone does, i will ping you | 20:13 |
| n4dir | i sure would quickly install any comfortable window manager and check if it has the same problem. | 20:14 |
| fsmithred | yeah ^^^ | 20:14 |
| e3d3 | great. wondering if this is not a Devuan trick to force me to use vim ;) | 20:14 |
| fsmithred | lol | 20:14 |
| n4dir | ha ha. i wanted to propose it, but thought the joke is too weird | 20:14 |
| fsmithred | I've heard rumors of devuan users who use emacs | 20:15 |
| e3d3 | n4dir, I'm to easily install stuff. Last week I did a creative install, which rendered the OS unusable, so I did a rollback, and then remembered that I have no recent backup or snapshot, and lost a lot of work. So I'm a little conservative with this fresh distro | 20:17 |
| n4dir | a fallback window-manager is always one of the first things i install. But sure, that is your choice | 20:18 |
| n4dir | back in the days debian installed a wm while installing xorg, iirc. Forgot the name, and it sure was weird | 20:19 |
| e3d3 | I have to primairy laptop, now both with XFCE and the same key bindings. I live in Emacs so don't care much about a WM. | 20:20 |
| n4dir | this would be only to troubleshoot. If it doesn't happen in, say, fluxbox, then chances are high it is an xfce problem | 20:21 |
| e3d3 | that is indeed a way but I guess I better start with scanning XFCE or Emacs bug rapports. Google has become such a not helpfull $%#*&!!! | 20:25 |
| e3d3 | I have to do other things and will ask again later. Thanks again for the help so far & good luck all. Your kindness is inspiring. | 20:42 |
| rwp | e3d3 might have tried running emacs in a terminal. I normally run emacs in a terminal. | 20:58 |
| rwp | I just tested GUI Emacs full screen in i3 and I did not see the problem that was mentioned. Therefore it does seem to be DE/WM specific. | 20:59 |
| rwp | I have font problems with GUI Emacs though, which is mostly the reason I run it in a terminal, to avoid the bizarre underline and other font problems in the GUI. | 21:00 |
| ion__ | Hey, is Chimera currently recommended? I'm on Beowulf but some packages are old now, like obs | 21:21 |
| golinux | Chimaera has not been released yet. Neither has Bullseye | 21:22 |
| rwp | ion__, Are you a comfortable and experienced admin? If not then not recommended. If so then probably fine. | 21:22 |
| ion__ | I mean, once it's released it goes to stable, right? But often on Debian I'd run testing | 21:22 |
| ion__ | rwp, pretty much, ya | 21:23 |
| ion__ | though this is my main desktop | 21:23 |
| rwp | chimera and testing are the same. | 21:23 |
| ion__ | that's what I'm saying, like with Debian I've run testing and it's been stable enough | 21:23 |
| ion__ | so I'm wondering if chimera is currently in a state like that. At the start of the cycle testing can be iffy | 21:23 |
| rwp | We are at this point in the lifecycle in the sweet spot of testing. It's in the middle of the best time to run it. | 21:23 |
| n4dir | ion__: which other packages? in general i mean, a given "interest" or all kind of stuff? | 21:24 |
| ion__ | sweet, spot | 21:24 |
| ion__ | let me find the names of the deps, but I was trying to upgrade obs and didn't have some packages available | 21:24 |
| n4dir | you could install obs-studio from the librazik repository, but then are in a situation not that different from running testing. | 21:25 |
| n4dir | shaky ground, that is. | 21:25 |
| ion__ | they recommend a ppa:obsproject/obs-studio, targeting Ubuntu xenial I think. It gets hairy | 21:25 |
| ion__ | actually, where did I even get this version, hm | 21:26 |
| n4dir | you sure are better of with the librazik repo instead of someting ubuntu-targeted. But as said: it is hard to recommend such. Only you can decide | 21:26 |
| ion__ | I'll take a look at librazik, thanks. Trying to find out where I even got this version, I don't have that ppa on my system | 21:26 |
| n4dir | i ping that repo, and it seems to work fine. I only install some audio stuff i don't find in debian/devuan (or at a version too low) | 21:27 |
| n4dir | if it breaks: you have been warned :-) Good luck this way or the other | 21:27 |
| ion__ | I bet it will break. I think I tried a .deb and there were four libs that I couldn't get from beowulf | 21:28 |
| ion__ | could end up with dep hell | 21:28 |
| n4dir | let me try to install it. obs-studio you say? | 21:29 |
| ion__ | obs-studio, yeah. the latest version is 26.1 | 21:29 |
| n4dir | worked, version is 24. | 21:30 |
| n4dir | don't get me wrong. I don't try to convince you of anything. testing is still an option. Or living with the old version | 21:30 |
| ion__ | yeah, currently it at least works, just not with this plugin I wanted to use, obs-ndi | 21:30 |
| n4dir | as in: really just an idea | 21:30 |
| ion__ | I could try obs in docker, perhaps | 21:32 |
| rwp | Often when I want to keep the OS core stable but want a bleeding edge copy of something specific then I create an unstable chroot and run that specific thing there. | 21:37 |
| ion__ | rwp, that's a good idea! | 21:43 |
| rwp | ion__, https://wiki.debian.org/chroot especially the policy-rc.d configuration | 21:47 |
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