libera/#devuan/ Friday, 2021-01-08

comb_ridgeI got pulseaudio working @ startup by doing this:   pulseaudio -D – get it working I think; added in Settings > System > Sessions and Startup03:03
comb_ridgeThat is: in a terminal I typed     pulseaudion-D     that got it working in that session. I then added it in Setttings>System>Sessiions and Startup. Starts up at each boot now. May be a more elegant (proper) but it works03:06
golinuxcomb_ridge: From the Release Notes:03:08
golinuxPulseaudio03:08
golinux - If you have no sound, make sure the following line in03:08
golinux   /etc/pulse/client.conf.d/00-disable-autospawn.conf is commented as03:08
golinux   shown here:03:08
golinuxhttps://files.devuan.org/devuan_beowulf/Release_notes.txt03:09
comb_ridgethanks - guess I could read the release notes better :).03:10
yanmaaniHow do I get apt to use another mirror?03:11
golinuxPick one from the mirror list. https://pkgmaster.devuan.org/mirror_list.txt03:12
golinuxOr just try deb.devuan.org again and you may land on another mirror in the round-robin03:14
yanmaanigolinux: How do I try it again? I've done dist-upgrade a few times and I always get the same mirror.03:14
yanmaaniis there some command to the effect of "try another random mirror please"?03:14
golinuxYou are using deb.devuan.org in your sources.list?03:15
golinuxhttp?03:15
golinuxDoesn't work with https unless you pick a mirror with that protocol03:16
gnarfaceyanmaani: it should try another mirror literally every single time unless your dns resolver is whack.  try this:  nslookup deb.devuan.org03:18
gnarfaceyanmaani: (you should see 15 entries)03:19
yanmaanigolinux: yes03:19
gnarfaceother possibilities include misbehaved caching proxy or ip routing errors03:20
yanmaanignarface: that happens, yes, but I always get the dotsrc.org mirror03:20
gnarfaceyanmaani: if there's no other way around it, use golinux's suggestion and just pick a specific one out of the list and use that instead03:20
yanmaaniyeah, I guess that works, thanks03:20
* golinux lets gnarface take it from here . . .03:20
yanmaanihow come the mirrors sometimes lack packages anyway?03:21
golinuxAre you sure that they exist?03:21
golinuxMaybe a specific mirror is updating atm03:21
gnarfacewell in normal circumstances they're updated on intervals, and it kinda goes in a wave, but there are a couple sources.list mistakes that can cause the same symptom03:21
golinuxafk03:22
gnarfacesomeone put up a status page, hmm i forget the url though...03:22
* gnarface should keep better notes03:22
fsmithredpanopticon03:22
fsmithredhttps://sledjhamr.org/apt-panopticon/results/Report-web.html03:22
gnarfaceah, there we go, look here yanmaani^03:23
onefangThat slacker Devuan mirror herder that really should be more on top of package mirror stuff put up https://sledjhamr.org/apt-panopticon/results/Report-web.html to keep track of things.  Oh wait, that's me.03:23
* fsmithred gets the whip handle from infra03:24
gnarfaceyea, however it should be noted that symptoms matching the same description can be caused by using /devuan or /debian instead of /merged in your sources.list urls, or in some cases by using "https" on one of the mirrors that was set up to support it for some other projet it was mirroring, but not devuan (quite)03:25
yanmaanignarface: what I did was I just ran apt-get with torsocks to download, then hit ^C and ran it to update03:30
yanmaaninot clean but it worked03:30
gnarfacehmm, you're doing all of this through tor?  i wonder if that's related03:33
onefangmirrors.dotsrc.org has been a bit erratic lately.  Try another mirror.03:35
onefangOne that has 100% in both of the weekly statistics on that tracker site of mine.03:36
yanmaanignarface: no, just did it now, and it worked when I did that03:56
gnarfacewell it certainly shouldn't have helped unless something is wrong with your ISP routing03:58
gnarfacebut it wouldn't be the first time for that i guess...03:59
gnarfaceusually at the ISP level, such problems are transient, but if they persist you might be having your civil rights infringed03:59
gnarface(though in that case it seems unlikely it has anything to do with devuan specifically, the sporadic nature of the failures suggest it's more likely it would be a casualty of a ham-fisted attempt to block some other unrelated services by ip range)04:01
gnarface(or just a intern having a bad day with new cisco routers)04:01
e3d3I have clipped off text on the bottom line, only in a maximized Emacs window, and because I don't have this issue in other Debian + XFCE distro's, nor when I use Emacs without GUI/in a terminal, I wonder if Devuan has some specific font rendering configuration.07:49
gnarfacee3d3: is it possible you just don't have the fonts you usually used installed?07:51
gnarfacee3d3: it could have failed over to something with a different shape07:51
e3d3gnarface, I use the same font, but it also happens with other fonts.07:52
gnarfaceweird07:52
gnarfacehmmm07:52
e3d3indeed07:52
rwpI tried GUI Emacs maximized with i3 window manager and it was okay for me.07:52
e3d3I must add that even in the main editing window (buffer/frame) the bottom text line is clipped of, even more than in the minibuffer.07:53
rwpHmm...  I definitely do not see that.  But I will confirm odd font problems with GUI Emacs as info pages have a terrible underline through the middle rather than under.07:54
e3d3I never had this issue before, and long time I was a hyper-active distro-hopper07:54
e3d3underlining through the middle sounds even more nasty than my issue07:55
gnarfacee3d3: is it specific to text windows?  gtk windows?  or does the desktop wallpaper get clipped a bit too?07:56
gnarfacedoes hexchat do the same thing?07:58
gnarfaceyou can set the font rendering with "dpkg-reconfigure fontconfig-config" but afaik they shouldn't have touched defaults for stuff like that07:59
gnarfacethe changes to the default theme were primarily just color changes and some logos07:59
e3d3gnarface, I didn't notice it with other apps, but many apps have paddings instead of printing text on the bottom of the screen07:59
gnarfacewell i can't produce it with emacs here on ceres in enlightenment, but i guess that's not very helpful info08:00
e3d3e.g. hexchat has a text input with padding around08:00
gnarface*reproduce08:00
e3d3gnarface, its still good to know that Emacs works somewhere okay08:00
e3d3maybe another WM will solve this, but the thing is that I got used to XFCE, although I mainly live inside terminal/Emacs08:03
rwpe3d3, Example of the underline issue: https://www.proulx.com/tmp/emacs-strike-through-faces.png08:03
rwpStrange mode line alignment problem https://www.proulx.com/tmp/emacs-mode-line.png08:04
e3d3rwp, and you couldn't find a solution to this. How long do have this issue ?08:05
rwpStrange artifacts left behind at odd times. https://www.proulx.com/tmp/emacs-pixel-artifacts.png08:05
e3d3looks very distracting & annoying to me08:06
rwpI mostly run Emacs in a terminal.  But on Beowulf Stable I don't expect there to be any changes until the Chimera Testing releases.08:06
e3d3I just checked it but info underlines properly here08:06
rwpI haven't tested this on Testing or Unstable with the newer Emacs release there.08:06
e3d3Did you try the Chimera testing release yet08:06
e3d3:)08:07
rwpCausality warning.08:07
e3d3can't we upgrade only Emacs to testing ?08:07
rwpBut most of the time I am running i3 with multiple tiled and stacked terminals, with ssh to remote systems, with tmux running, with emacs running in a terminal.08:07
rwpSo none of that is critically important to me.08:08
e3d3and you don't have the same issues than ?08:08
e3d3although for me it is easy to avoid the issue by only using Emacs in a terminal, do I prefer to keep my normal habits/workflow, so I hope I can find the case of this all.08:10
rwpI hope you find the problem too.  But I doubt it is truly a "distro" problem but probably more like an upstream Emacs goofyness.08:11
e3d3I have the issue on Emacs v26.1. If I remember right the same version as on EasyOS, without this issue, but I'm not sure.08:12
e3d3in #emacs I got some nice suggestions to narrow down the issue, but no solutions, or recognizion08:15
e3d3another question; about a longstanding screensaver issue with VLC08:17
e3d3In Debian distro's I have always multimedia issues; alsa volume control is uncontrolable, and VLC keeps activating the screensaver, no matter what config.08:19
e3d3Devuan's pulseaudio has other issues; after boot the sound is always muted.08:20
e3d3VLC activate the screensaver, and won't let me in the system again, but maybe I need to know some secret key to get in again.08:21
Xenguye3d3: Oh good you're there08:21
e3d3Xenguy, :)08:22
XenguyThe last time you had left before I was able to respond...08:22
e3d3I'm sorry. I really had to do other things08:23
XenguyDon't know if this will help, but this is my config for auto maximizing Emacs when it starts up...08:23
Xenguy   ;; If non nil the frame is maximized when Emacs starts up.08:23
Xenguy   ;; Takes effect only if `dotspacemacs-fullscreen-at-startup' is nil.08:23
Xenguy   ;; (default nil) (Emacs 24.4+ only)08:23
Xenguy   dotspacemacs-maximized-at-startup t08:23
XenguyOther than that, I have no clue : -)08:24
XenguyOh, that's Spacemacs08:24
XenguyWell, that's all I got, if it helps great, otherwise, love that elisp, haha08:25
e3d3I didn't configurate Emacs here yet and don't expect that maximizing differs between doing it manual or at startup, but maybe should test this.08:25
e3d3This is the config I normally use for that:   (add-to-list 'default-frame-alist '(fullscreen . maximized))08:26
XenguyI've been having fun with Spacemacs, but Emacs is just one amazing beast08:26
e3d3agree08:26
e3d3Xenguy, I configurated Emacs to start up with maximized frame, but have the same issue with clipped text. Still thanks for the suggestion. Would have been fun if it worked.08:32
e3d3btw I can't use your config line because I don't have/use Spacemacs.08:35
rwpe3d3, If emacs doesn't work for you there is always 'xterm -maximized -e ed somefile'.  :-)08:44
e3d3rwp, I don't have the issue when using Emacs in a terminal, but normally also use the Emacs GUI, partly to get some variation in look, because I can't get myself to configure cosmetic things.08:46
rwpe3d3, I think you are missing out on all of the humor I was intending with using "ed" since it is the standard text editor. https://www.gnu.org/fun/jokes/ed-msg.html08:47
e3d3rwp, Indeed, I did. Ed the famous talking horse, editor and also my initials :)08:48
e3d3I once made a webpage about Nano, and discovered that it can do much and much more than I ever suspected. Maybe ed is also not so inferieur as it seems.08:50
rwped is not something I consider inferior. Indeed I am actually rather proficient using it.08:52
rwpBut it isn't something that people really think of reaching for these days.08:53
e3d3nice to hear. I make the same mistake as most people by not reading all documentation but often use addons, exotic configs etc instead of learning to use the already provided features, even with Emacs08:58
e3d3there is too much to read about, and I just want things to work as told so I can do my own things instead of endlessly reading and configuring tiny parts of the machine.09:02
e3d3I lost a lot of possibilities since I switched from ms windows to Linux, but still refuse to be involved with microsoft and other pc 'parasites'. Think I have to reduce my expectations again09:04
e3d3what should I do to build Emacs from source. I've asked on #debian but they advised to ask here. Already installed built-dev and xorg-dev but still get errors when doing: ./configure10:18
e3d3I know that I should activate src-repo, but do I have to do this only for main-repo or also for update- & security-repo ?10:23
e3d3nm, I've installed 1/2 GB stuff and it seems to compile now10:38
fsmithredhttp://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=3897610:40
e3d3fsmithred, thanks. If the compilation works, and solves my Emacs issue, I'll use the smart way after re-installing Devuan.10:41
fsmithredyou could just try it later. You can build packages without installing them.10:43
e3d3it allready compiled and installed, but due to all the chaotic searching, trying etc I forgot my previous version number. Anyway, the issue still remains so I think I really have to leave Devuan here.10:45
e3d3synaptic has v26.1 and I now v27.1, with the same problem. To bad because I really hoped I could use Devuan. Sorry to have bothered you and sincere compliments for your work, sharing and friendly helping. I wish you all good luck.10:48
gnarfacethere's no way in hell his problem wasn't self-inflicted, right?11:03
gnarfaceanyone else able to reproduce that behavior?11:04
fsmithredno emacs here, but I think I'll try11:04
gnarfaceanyway, whatever the issue, it seems unlikely to be specific to emacs or even related11:05
fsmithredI'm guessing gtk311:05
gnarfacei feel like it must have been some jacked up gtk theme customization11:05
fsmithredwhat do I need? Just the emacs metapackage?11:05
gnarfaceyea11:06
fsmithredand then open it from the menu? I think that's what he did.11:06
gnarfaceit won't matter as long as you open it in graphical mode, which should be the default unless you launch it from a terminal and pass "-nw"11:06
gnarface(or had installed the emacs-nox package instead)11:07
fsmithredok, so the opening page is bigger than the window. There is a scroll bar. I can scroll down, but the bottom of the page is blank.11:08
fsmithrednothing is off-screen or seems to be missing from the window11:08
gnarfacei think his complaint was that the bottom line got partially obscured when the window was maximized11:08
fsmithredI think it looks like the screenshot he posted yesterday11:08
fsmithredoh yeah11:09
gnarfaceis it doing that to you?11:09
fsmithredbottom of the window says "Beginning of buffer" or "End of buffer" depending on cursor position.11:09
fsmithredwindow is maximized and looks correct11:10
gnarfaceyea11:10
gnarfaceso the "End of buffer" status text line is shown in full though, not the bottoms of the letters cut off?11:10
fsmithredright11:10
gnarfaceyea, it's fine here in ceres too11:11
fsmithredoh shit, his screen wasn't aligned?11:11
gnarfacei asked, he brushed off the suggestion11:11
fsmithredxvidtune to the rescue!11:11
gnarfacei realize now i didn't get a clear answer to several key questions11:11
fsmithredthat happens a lot11:11
gnarfacebut i wonder for example if a difference between whether the video card driver can engage the compositor might change how emacs's math about rows&columns works11:12
fsmithredyeah, I've seen stuff look different on different computers or with different window managers or even themes11:13
gnarfacewell he was using xfce and claimed or at least strongly inferred it was an otherwise identical config to debian and other distros11:14
gnarfacebut i have to assume he overlooked something11:14
fsmithredyeah, probably11:14
fsmithredxfce here11:14
gnarfacei mean, he said it wasn't happening with terminal windows, and when i upsize a terminal window here in enlightenment it doesn't happen either, but i know for a fact it used to  - and the fix was something hacked into this version of enlightenment's compositor11:15
gnarfaceotherwise whether the bottom row of text gets cut off or leaves a gap is a simple function of the geometry of the character glyphs and the resolution of the monitor11:16
gnarfacewhich also makes me wonder if perhaps this devuan install was using a weird aspect ratio monitor he'd never used before11:17
gnarfacebut he at least strongly inferred his tests were all on the same machine...11:17
gnarfaceanyway11:18
gnarfacei think he'll be back11:18
fsmithredlol, think the problem will follow him?11:19
gnarfacelikely11:20
gnarfaceor he'll see it somewhere else anyway, and realize it had nothing to do with whatever he imagined we had done to the emacs build11:20
gnarfacecan't predict a timeline on this though11:21
KREYREENI have volume control on a USB keyboard that is not working on devuan.. howddya fix it? x.x12:55
gnarfacefirst, open up xev and make sure it can see the keypresses being fired13:01
KREYREENthis ain't on xen13:01
KREYREENbare metal!13:01
gnarfacexev is unrelated to xen13:01
KREYREENxen is unrelated to xen?13:02
KREYREENehh13:02
KREYREEN i think my font is screwing up things wait13:02
gnarfaceyes13:02
gnarfaceXEV13:02
KREYREENah XEV!13:02
KREYREENwhat's that13:02
KREYREENo.o13:02
gnarfaceevent tester13:02
KREYREENstill no idea x.x13:02
gnarfacejust open it13:02
KREYREENah13:03
gnarfaceopen it from a terminal, you'll need the stderr/stdout13:03
KREYREENit sees it13:03
gnarfaceok good, so now you know what the symbol is13:03
gnarfacesymbols*13:03
KREYREENo.o13:03
gnarfacewell now you need to map the keys to volume controls13:04
gnarfaceusually that part is window-manager specific13:04
gnarfaceor even media player specific13:04
KREYREENdevuan usually does that automatically though O.o13:04
gnarfaceoh, there might be a package that does it for you then13:04
KREYREENi think it may be a kernel-driver related13:04
gnarfaceyou don't recall the name?13:04
KREYREENor that13:04
gnarfaceit's probably a userspace program13:04
KREYREENi don't recall the package it used to work ootb x.x13:04
gnarfacethe fact xev sees it means your kernel should be good13:05
KREYREENtru O.o13:05
gnarfacei could tell you how to do it in enlightenment :-/13:05
KREYREENIt should work for all keys no matter the keyboard instead of hardcoding the keypresses x.x13:05
gnarfacewell it does for the standard buttons13:05
gnarfacebut volume controls are non-standard13:05
KREYREENhm O.o13:06
gnarfacecould it have been something related to task-laptop or task-desktop?13:06
KREYREENno idea x.x13:06
gnarfacethink about the choices you use for the install usually, what did you do different?13:06
KREYREENnope should have the same options O.o13:06
gnarfaceis it a new keyboard? it could just have been that the previous one you got lucky and someone had already done the work and this one has different keysyms for the volume buttons13:07
KREYREENnope same keyboard same system13:07
gnarfacecould it be that devuan-sanity package or something?  i'm sorry i don't know.  fsmithred might13:08
KREYREENmy best would be some devuan package missing O.o13:08
fsmithredcatching up...13:09
KREYREENfsmithred, thanku for looking at this! ^-^13:09
fsmithredin xfce settings for keyboard you can configure some things13:10
fsmithredI've done volume keys on a thinkpad13:10
KREYREENthere is a `keyboard model` in xfce4-keyboard-settings that is set to Generic 105-key PC (intl.)13:10
fsmithredSettings, Keyboard, Application Shortcuts13:10
fsmithredI need to look at the laptop. brb13:11
KREYREENi think this might be related to software that controls the volume though as FN keys are working O.o13:11
fsmithredok, it's not set up on the OS that's running, but I think I had to link the buttons to amixer commands13:13
KREYREENah i see O.o13:13
fsmithredwhen you add a keybinding, it asks for the command13:14
KREYREENand the volume keys are registered in xev ?13:14
KREYREENlet me check13:14
fsmithredthen I think the next thing it does is ask you to press the appropriate key13:14
KREYREENadding these keys to a keybind that invokes `notify-send test` shows test notification13:15
KREYREENso i think related to userland being unable to control the volume?13:16
fsmithredamixer set Master 10%+13:17
KREYREENi am switching keyboards on this so ideally i want it to change without the need to set keybinds x.x13:18
KREYREENaldo the amixer is working so i guess good enough o.o13:18
fsmithredI don't know another way to do it13:19
KREYREENoke, considering solved then, thanku ^-^13:19
fsmithredI did the same for the decrease-volume key13:19
fsmithredamixer set Master 10%-13:19
KREYREENgnarface, and thanks to you too13:19
KREYREENfsmithred, yep set that up already13:19
fsmithredand for mute, I set it to -90dB13:20
fsmithredno I didn't13:20
fsmithredamixer set Master 99%-13:20
KREYREENnoted o.o13:22
n4dirwhy not "amixer set Master mute"?  Or rather why 99%-13:24
fsmithredn4dir, I don't recall if I tried that. I know I tried a couple different ways. They didn't all work. And didn't work the same on two different model thinkpads13:27
KREYREENn4dir, seems that mute just mutes it in the pavucontrol where it then has to be restored o.o13:28
KREYREENbecause vol_up doesn't affect it13:28
n4diryeah, anyway. good stuff. Always a bit lame to head over to the terminal to use alsamixer. amixer i can use from the command prompt, once it sunk in. thaks13:28
n4diri used it for a while, then forgot about it again.13:29
fsmithredsame problem with mute here - the raise-volume button doesn't un-mute. Have to mouse over to volumeicon-alsa (no pulseaudio here)13:34
n4direasy enought to do it from a command prompt too, though13:35
n4dirmute and unmute, somehow a guy needs to spend his days ...13:36
fazzahHi14:38
fazzahhow to deal with this problem?14:38
fazzahThe following packages have unmet dependencies:14:38
fazzah php7.4-fpm : Depends: systemd but it is not installable or14:38
fazzah                       systemd-tmpfiles but it is not installable14:38
fazzahE: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages.14:38
fazzahcannot install package14:38
xinomilohttps://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?pid=26083#p2608314:41
gnarfacephp really depends on systemd now?15:24
gnarfacegross15:24
gnarfaceor did you mix repos accidentally, fazzah?15:24
fsmithredit's true. There are at least two threads on the forum about it.15:25
xinomilosury repo does for now15:25
xinomilodebian to follow15:25
xinomiloiirc15:25
fsmithredphp7.4-fpm in chimaera/ceres: |Depends: systemd15:28
fsmithred  Depends: <systemd-tmpfiles>15:28
fsmithred    opentmpfiles15:28
fsmithredopentmpfiles is in ceres but not chimaera15:29
fsmithredafk, bbl15:29
fazzahusing repo from forum link worked, gnarface15:30
fazzahsury indeed depends on systemd...15:30
fazzahIs it possible that php7.4-amqp and php7.4-redis are missing from deb https://pkgs.tdrnetworks.com/apt/devuan beowulf main ?16:31
fazzahapt install says unable to locate16:32
fazzahbut it was ok for other php7.4 extensions16:32
xinomilopackage name : php-redis16:33
xinomilodon't know about the other one16:33
xinomiloprobably this : php-amqp16:34
fazzahthose two are correct, but I was told I neeed 7.4 versions16:34
fazzahfor context I am going through symfony book and I cannot pass requirement check16:35
dkaramaWhat's the root password for devuan?17:11
dkaramaI think I saw it before can't seem to find it.17:11
dkaramaFor the minimal-live17:12
gnarfacetoor i think?17:13
fsmithredtoor17:13
dkaramaThat did it, thanks!17:13
r3boot1218:03
e3d3I found why text on the bottom line of a maximized Emacs window got clipped off; the hidden panel was not completely hidden & covered it, in all Debian XFCE distro's I tried, except EasyOS.18:14
SLGHi , i am planning to install devuan on a surface laptop go , it worked great with debian is there anything that could make it not work with devuan that i need to be aware off ?22:18
nemoSLG: I guess possibly the version of debian you used...22:27
rwpI can only imagine that the specific Linux kernel would either support the hardware, or might not.22:28
SLGi used the lastest debian version22:36
fsmithredSLG, you can use the desktop-live iso to test it.22:45

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