| me-sudoer-dentne | today ill be installing devuan | 15:59 |
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| me-sudoer-dentne | anyone wants to give me some heads up | 16:00 |
| me-sudoer-dentne | so that i dont messup | 16:00 |
| VulcanRidr | Morning or other timezine approproate greeting. Is it possible to run nvidia drivers on beowulf? I get a ton of unmet dependencies when I apt-get install nvidia-driver. Things like nvidia-installer-cleanup, nvidia-legacy-check, nvidia-driver-libs, etc. Is there a dedicated repo for the nvidia stuff? | 16:00 |
| me-sudoer-dentne | are you sure you checked with the 'non-free firmware' part on the official website of devuan? | 16:02 |
| VulcanRidr | me-sudoer-dentne: I didn't even know it existed. I was going from https://gist.github.com/Kreyren/cccf642ce672fd8f127ed128cf27749b | 16:06 |
| me-sudoer-dentne | ok | 16:06 |
| VulcanRidr | I found the non-free firmware section in the Beowulf release notes, but it specifically mentions networking hardware. | 16:11 |
| gnarface | you need non-free and contrib for nvidia drivers, just like with debian | 16:11 |
| VulcanRidr | I have this in my sources.list: | 16:12 |
| gnarface | use paste.debian.net please | 16:12 |
| gnarface | you'll get kicked for spamming if you paste more than 3 lines | 16:13 |
| VulcanRidr | I was only going to paste one line, but I can paste the whole thing. Moment. | 16:13 |
| VulcanRidr | http://paste.debian.net/1182247/ | 16:15 |
| gnarface | change it to this: https://paste.debian.net/1182250/ | 16:20 |
| gnarface | dunno if your line #11 is even syntactically accurate, but it's redundant anyway if not, and you're missing contrib | 16:21 |
| gnarface | you might not need contrib, but there's not much else that can cause this problem besides that or packages from the wrong repo | 16:22 |
| gnarface | you didn't mix other versions of debian or devuan or ubuntu with this? | 16:22 |
| gnarface | even backports from the previous release might get in the way and need to be removed | 16:22 |
| gnarface | it's important you distinguish the missing dependencies errors from being the wrong versions or not existent in the repo at all | 16:23 |
| VulcanRidr | No. Clean Beowulf install. | 16:23 |
| VulcanRidr | Yeah, that works much better. :) | 16:23 |
| gnarface | me-sudoer-dentne: the experience shouldn't be different from debian except that the installer includes the non-free wifi firmware | 16:27 |
| me-sudoer-dentne | and could you please confirm it has support for amd stoney igpu | 16:29 |
| me-sudoer-dentne | it has been even a headache for debian installation | 16:29 |
| gnarface | ugh, i hate it when they don't wait for an answer | 16:35 |
| gnarface | if me-sudoer-dentne comes back, tell them i don't know but there's a backports kernel and firmware that should | 16:36 |
| brocashelm | maybe the headache got worse | 16:36 |
| gnarface | you need the backports kernel and nvidia drivers for anything in the 10XX series or newer, too | 16:40 |
| KREYREN | VulcanRidr, someone found my gist helpful? O.o | 16:52 |
| KREYREN | also pretty sure that that pinning no longer works | 16:54 |
| VulcanRidr | KREYREN: Well, it wasn't perfect, but it pointed me in the right direction. | 17:02 |
| KREYREN | ^-^ | 17:03 |
| KREYREN | consider updating the docs i flagged it as outdated | 17:03 |
| VulcanRidr | On beowulf, what is the preferred sound system? | 17:21 |
| Guest62209 | anyone know which version of the amdgpu-pro drivers works on beowulf? | 17:42 |
| fsmithred | xserver-xorg-video-amdgpu: 18.1.99+git20190207-1 | 17:51 |
| fsmithred | Guest62209, ^^^ also see pkginfo.devuan.org | 17:52 |
| Guest62209 | i need something that'll get cycles working in blender | 17:53 |
| fsmithred | I don't know what that means | 17:53 |
| Guest62209 | opencl 2.0+ | 17:53 |
| fsmithred | I do know what blender is | 17:53 |
| Guest62209 | itsa jewish dating app for linux | 17:54 |
| fsmithred | 19.1 is in chimaera/ceres | 17:54 |
| fsmithred | blender??? | 17:54 |
| Guest62209 | ye | 17:54 |
| fsmithred | is a video editor | 17:54 |
| fsmithred | blender - Very fast and versatile 3D modeller/renderer | 17:54 |
| gnarface | do we think he was actually looking for amdgpu-pro, or maybe he meant firmware-amd-graphics from non-free? everyone i've asked who should know says the amdgpu-pro driver isn't maintained anymore | 18:48 |
| fsmithred | maybe, I don't know | 18:49 |
| fsmithred | I got thrown off by blender. | 18:50 |
| gnarface | that's where i started at with this, so my suspicion is that it's a common error | 18:50 |
| gnarface | however, even if he had it installed, he'd probably need to know to install some specific *libopencl* packages too | 18:51 |
| gnarface | i can't imagine if blender supported opencl it'd be through any other libarary | 18:52 |
| nemo | gnarface: hm. I could've helped him I guess, since I installed amdgpu-pro in beowulf | 18:53 |
| nemo | but. too late now | 18:53 |
| gnarface | nemo: which kernel? | 18:53 |
| nemo | whatever the default is | 18:53 |
| gnarface | hmm, 4.19 i think? | 18:53 |
| nemo | sounds right | 18:53 |
| gnarface | hmm, news to me they have support for that new of a kernel, i had assumed they stopped before that | 18:53 |
| nemo | gnarface: well. you could be right. I think I switched to chimæra specifically because of ubuntu 18.04/devuan mismatches after debian bumped the kernel last fall | 18:54 |
| nemo | it worked for a while though ☺ | 18:54 |
| nemo | gnarface: https://m8y.org/tmp/amdgpu.html I think I linked to my little description of what that was all about before. | 18:55 |
| gnarface | nemo: i'd readily believe you got away with installing it on a beowulf install with the 4.9 kernel left over from ascii | 18:55 |
| nemo | no | 18:56 |
| nemo | gnarface: I didn't use an ascii kernel | 18:56 |
| gnarface | alright, noted | 18:56 |
| fsmithred | the version number has 2019 in it | 19:00 |
| gnarface | nemo: hey i don't suppose you'd mind dumping your vdpauinfo output for me? i want to compare it to the regular amdgpu drivers on ceres | 19:03 |
| nemo | well. I'm not using amdgpu-pro anymore | 19:03 |
| gnarface | nemo: oh, bummer. i became suspicious when it apparently supported less features than my ancient nvidia 5XX and 6XX cards, but i don't know if it's a hardware or driver limitation | 19:04 |
| gnarface | (wondering if the open source drivers are being sandbagged upstream) | 19:04 |
| nemo | gnarface: basically the ubuntu amdgpu-pro I was using stopped working after a kernel update in beowulf, and I didn't feel like forcing older kernel. since chimæra had gotten fairly reliable at that point according to fsmithred, I just bumped upwards | 19:04 |
| nemo | gnarface: I didn't have any great reason for using pro really | 19:05 |
| nemo | apart from lack of support in beowulf for my card | 19:05 |
| gnarface | nemo: well, that would be my one reason, is if it actually had more features | 19:05 |
| gnarface | nothing else i'm doing seems to require it | 19:05 |
| nemo | supposedly it's helpful for OpenCL? not sure. haven't gotten around to investigating this. maybe the distro drivers do that too | 19:06 |
| nemo | gnarface: there's an opencl vram tester I've been meaning to try out | 19:06 |
| nemo | and, darktable and gimp have some opencl support | 19:06 |
| gnarface | nemo: that Guest guy was saying he needed it for a blender feature, but i'd also be curious to know if that plain just didn't work with the open source driver or if it's just slower | 19:07 |
| gnarface | nemo: (or if it's as i presumed, the same, but he was missing the firmware-amd-graphics package) | 19:07 |
| nemo | gnarface: it may well be for opencl support | 19:08 |
| gnarface | i don't know what he was talking about specifically either though | 19:08 |
| nemo | gnarface: I know that my coworker is using the nvidia blob in his new workstation for darktable | 19:09 |
| gnarface | blender runs fine here as far as i can tell, so i assume it's not something that you need just for hardware rendering of the viewport | 19:09 |
| nemo | supposedly due to lack of opencl in nouveau | 19:09 |
| fsmithred | I have ascii with an amd RS780L | 19:09 |
| gnarface | well, nouveau wouldn't even support hardware acceleration of any type on every card | 19:09 |
| nemo | gnarface: yeah, the problem is that using opencl in darktable (and perhaps blender) is like 100x faster than on the CPU | 19:09 |
| nemo | hm | 19:10 |
| nemo | https://community.amd.com/t5/drivers-software/using-opencl-from-amdgpu-pro-in-linux-without-the-rest/td-p/87264 | 19:10 |
| nemo | interesting idea | 19:10 |
| fsmithred | will that give you any info you want, gnarface ? | 19:10 |
| * nemo bookmarks that AMD community page | 19:11 | |
| nemo | I might give that a shot | 19:11 |
| nemo | no need right now, but good to have as a backup | 19:11 |
| gnarface | fsmithred: nah, thanks though. nemo has a RX5600 and i have a RX5500 so they should be practically identical aside from any differences in amdgpu-pro behavior, which is why i was curious | 19:11 |
| nemo | gnarface: overall I was not very happy with amdgpu-pro | 19:12 |
| nemo | gnarface: it seemed to render things less reliably than the distro drivers | 19:13 |
| gnarface | yea, i haven't heard a lot of good feedback about it from anyone | 19:13 |
| gnarface | i heard it was very crashy | 19:13 |
| nemo | gnarface: and I had to drop back to an older release after my upgrade caused reliable crashing in a bunch of games | 19:13 |
| nemo | gnarface: I filed a bug with them on that but never got any acknowledgement | 19:13 |
| nemo | so I'm pretty happy in chimæra with distro drivers. | 19:14 |
| nemo | but that community thing is something I may try if I want faster graphic app performance. | 19:14 |
| gnarface | yea that looks like an interesting trick but i notice it's for kernel 4.8 so it's been a while.... | 19:15 |
| nemo | hm | 19:17 |
| nemo | gnarface: well. says 4.9 | 19:17 |
| nemo | gnarface: what I like about the approach is there are a number of amdgpu packages for different ubuntu versions | 19:18 |
| nemo | gnarface: it may well be I can just grab a newer one with newer kernel support and apply the same process to it | 19:19 |
| nemo | maybe I'll test it out with memtestcl just to see | 19:19 |
| gnarface | hmmm, good luck | 19:20 |
| nemo | gnarface: oh. there's also someone at the end saying that 4.10 improved things | 19:24 |
| nemo | but yeah, those are all pretty old. it's an old thread | 19:24 |
| nemo | I wonder if someone might make a debian amdgpu-opencl-nonfree package using this approach ☺ | 19:25 |
| gnarface | that would be nice | 19:26 |
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