| systemdlete | Still not having any luck with my webcam on refracta beowulf. I'd appreciate help with this. | 02:37 |
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| systemdlete | I am trying "cheese" to see if it will capture video, but it doesn't | 02:38 |
| systemdlete | This is running in a VM; on the host by itself it works. Possibly another vbox problem, not surprising, but maybe someone knows something about this already. | 02:38 |
| numzob | wow, googled "refracta" and learned something new | 02:50 |
| gnarface | systemdlete: i would expect you have to fix permissions in and out of the guest, as well as specifically assign the usb device to the guest | 02:50 |
| gnarface | systemdlete: but i don't know crap about vbox | 02:50 |
| numzob | and i know crap about webcams | 02:51 |
| gnarface | make sure you have v4l2-ctl and uvcdynctl and related tools available in the guest | 02:51 |
| gnarface | and make sure a pre-recorded clip of the same format will play in the guest too | 02:52 |
| gnarface | i think there's been problems with vbox before where the solution was just to use an older vbox version? | 03:31 |
| systemdlete | gnarface: vbox is the only major software platform whose quality improvements seems to run backwards by release. | 05:14 |
| systemdlete | They continually "improve" the UI, but not the UX. | 05:14 |
| systemdlete | One other solution I keep having people nag me with is to drop vbox altogether -- and I've been experimenting with that approach also. | 05:15 |
| systemdlete | The main problem is that for the networking I have currently in vbox, under kvm, I will end up with more bridges than Portland, OR. | 05:16 |
| systemdlete | (Hint: Virtualized network switches, folks!) | 05:16 |
| Guest4 | i want to try using pdksh as my interactive shell | 05:46 |
| mason | Guest4: Works well. I've used it for years. | 05:46 |
| Guest4 | i've been thinking about it and i realize that command history is probably helpful | 05:46 |
| Guest4 | i do like dash and will probably use it for scripts | 05:47 |
| mason | Yep, sticking to POSIX is the right thing for scripts, but dash falls short as a user shell. | 05:47 |
| rrq | mason: pm ? | 06:05 |
| fling | Which command for checking if network is up? | 07:04 |
| fling | I mean I need to wait in a script until an interface gets the ip address with dhcp | 07:04 |
| fling | I have dhcpcd installed | 07:04 |
| ukine | fling: $>ip addr show | 07:10 |
| ukine | might give you usable info | 07:10 |
| n4dir | https://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/how-to-check-network-adapter-status-in-linux/ | 07:10 |
| n4dir | cat /sys/class/net/eth0/operstate | 07:11 |
| fling | is not there some 'service …' command? | 07:11 |
| ukine | there you go | 07:11 |
| ukine | sounds a lot more concise of an output | 07:11 |
| fling | thanks | 07:11 |
| fling | n4dir: this works | 07:11 |
| n4dir | well, my first idea was something like /etc/inet.d/networking status; that failed, then it bugged me, then i searched the web | 07:12 |
| n4dir | whenever i will need it i will have forgotten it again :-) | 07:12 |
| ukine | heh | 07:12 |
| n4dir | point of the ramble: i don't know how reliable that is in real life situation. Only found the link | 07:13 |
| fling | n4dir: ukine: it shows up with no ip address | 08:57 |
| fling | you are wrong, sorry! | 08:57 |
| n4dir | yeah, as said, i got no experience with it in real life | 08:58 |
| n4dir | wait, you want to know the ip address? or you just want to know if it is up? | 08:59 |
| fling | I don't know if it is up or not | 09:00 |
| fling | I want to wait until it gets an ip address | 09:00 |
| n4dir | and /sys/class/net/eth0/operstate doesn't tell you? | 09:00 |
| fling | scripted with lxc instead | 09:04 |
| fling | /sys/class/net/eth0/operstate is always up | 09:04 |
| n4dir | carrier? | 09:08 |
| n4dir | .../carrier; that is | 09:08 |
| fling | carrier shows 1 all the time too | 09:11 |
| fling | don't need it anymore | 09:11 |
| mns` | Good Morning! | 12:44 |
| mns` | Guys, which desktop environments are available in the devuan_beowulf_3.0.0_amd64-desktop iso image? | 12:57 |
| mns` | also, downloads from torrent doesn't works | 13:35 |
| fsmithred | mns`, xfce, mate, cinnamon, kde should all be in the dvd. If you want lxde, you can get it from repo after installing a base system. | 13:50 |
| fsmithred | torrent was working a couple weeks ago when we updated the torrent file. | 13:51 |
| fsmithred | https://files.devuan.org/devuan_beowulf.torrent | 13:54 |
| fsmithred | mns`, I just tested the torrent file and the magnet link. Neither worked in transmission but both worked in qbittorrent. | 14:11 |
| xinomilo | .torrent works on transmission here (ceres) | 14:16 |
| xinomilo | this brings even more seeders : https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?pid=26940#p26940 | 14:17 |
| mns` | fsmithred: oh, thanks. I'm already downloading from -> https://files.devuan.org/devuan_beowulf/installer-iso/devuan_beowulf_3.0.0_amd64-desktop.iso | 14:24 |
| mns` | fsmithred: Now that I have some time left. I think I will contribute to kde on devuan | 14:27 |
| mns` | Guess i should go with Chimaera or Ceres, in a VM | 14:30 |
| mns` | xinomilo: thanks | 14:30 |
| fsmithred | go with chimaera or ceres if you're ok with breakage. Current stable is beowulf. | 14:44 |
| mns` | If i fix something in ceres, it goes -> testing (chimaera) right? | 14:46 |
| fsmithred | although I don't hear about much breakage. | 14:46 |
| fsmithred | yes | 14:46 |
| fsmithred | what do you want to fix? | 14:46 |
| mns` | Nice, i'll tryit in a VM first. If i got a working desktop (I need for my university tasks) i'll install it on the metal | 14:49 |
| mns` | fsmithred: I just want to contribute to devuan whatever i can. And since i'm now interested in kde... | 14:50 |
| fsmithred | ok. I don't think we've forked any kde packages. | 14:50 |
| fsmithred | but hang around and you'll figure out something that needs to be done. | 14:51 |
| fsmithred | the list keeps growing | 14:51 |
| mns` | fsmithred: I'll have a look to see if the state o the kde desktop in devuan without systemd, is the same as debian. | 14:51 |
| fsmithred | good start. I haven't tried kde in chimaera. | 14:52 |
| mns` | fsmithred: Ok, I'll do my homework :) | 14:53 |
| sgage | I have spent a fair amount of time in KDE in Chimaera, | 15:37 |
| sgage | and it seems to be working quite well. | 15:38 |
| mns` | Nice | 15:41 |
| mason | Ah, I missed Guest4, but if he comes back asking about shells, I tried noting in a PM that oksh is my favourite of the local crop, and building it's not painful. | 15:43 |
| xrogaan | Is Chimaera stable enough to be usable as a desktop environment? | 17:34 |
| gnarface | probably not | 17:39 |
| sgage | It is my daily driver, as the kool kidz say. | 17:39 |
| fsmithred | xrogaan, some people are using it | 17:39 |
| fsmithred | it or ceres and pretty happy with it | 17:40 |
| gnarface | i think people are using it, but i remember 3 people having trouble trying it just yesterday alone | 17:40 |
| sgage | I have virtually zero problems with it. | 17:40 |
| fsmithred | I have chimaera on an old thinkpad and it works well. I don't use it for a lot. | 17:40 |
| sgage | I use MATE and KDE as DE's | 17:40 |
| fsmithred | xfce here | 17:40 |
| fsmithred | a lot of the devuan packages have been done for ceres/chimaera. | 17:41 |
| fsmithred | but yeah, it's possible to have trouble. | 17:41 |
| fsmithred | try it in a VM first to see if what you want is working. | 17:41 |
| sgage | Everyone pushes different parts of the envelope. | 17:41 |
| fsmithred | yeah, let us know if something is broken | 17:42 |
| sgage | It seems my use case is not that challenging. | 17:42 |
| sgage | I'm talking my personal desktop, not a mission-critical server :-) | 17:42 |
| fsmithred | I'm just using the thinkpad for video conference | 17:44 |
| xrogaan | I'm pretty tired of the outdated software, like xfce stuck in a 6 years old version. But I don't want to be bleeding edge for most things. | 17:44 |
| fsmithred | well, suspend on lid closing did not work in beowulf without jumping through hoops. I upgraded to chiaera and it just works. | 17:45 |
| fsmithred | I think the mouse control might still suck. | 17:45 |
| xrogaan | xfce 4.14 came out literally weeks after debian's buster and that's reason alone to not integrate it. Sorry for being cranky, just find the idea a bit silly at time. | 17:46 |
| fsmithred | trackpad works fine | 17:46 |
| xrogaan | anyhow, gotta make diner. Cya. | 17:46 |
| fsmithred | bye | 17:46 |
| c-dog | hello * - is anyone else noticing DNS timeouts when trying to connect to deb.devuan.org? | 18:30 |
| c-dog | According to mxtools and other web based DNS tools, the DNS for deb.devuan.org is misconfigured - "ns3.devuan.dev is listed as a nameserver for deb.devuan.org but can't be found" | 18:31 |
| gnarface | c-dog: can confirm. looks like ns3 is down | 18:48 |
| c-dog | yeah, it's weird. ns3 comes and goes intermittently for me | 18:49 |
| gnarface | fsmithred: ns3.devuan.org is not responding to dns queries anymore (on ipv4, anyway) | 18:49 |
| gnarface | fsmithred: it's up though, i can ping it | 18:49 |
| gnarface | ns2 is fine still | 18:49 |
| c-dog | thanks for the info. at least those that need to know, know now. unfortunately, I have to run apt-get update repeatedly until the DNS eventually resolves | 18:51 |
| xrogaan | c-dog: you could redirect ns3 to ns2 IP in your /etc/hosts | 18:51 |
| * xrogaan may not fully understand the issue | 18:52 | |
| gnarface | nah, that would work | 18:53 |
| gnarface | not an ideal solution though | 18:53 |
| c-dog | it would if you didn't have a set up like me :) | 18:53 |
| onefang | You could pick a mirror from https://pkgmaster.devuan.org/mirror_list.txt | 18:55 |
| xrogaan | ^-- or that | 18:55 |
| fsmithred | gnarface, thanks, I passed the word on to those who can do. | 19:17 |
| scramblez | I can no longer use root to login on console, or via a terminal in GUI. I tried resetting the passwd, even deleting it from shadow file, but still can't use root. What is the correct way to reset the root passwd on devuan? | 20:00 |
| djph | be root, then run passwd | 20:03 |
| scramblez | Right, I've booted as rw and init=/bin/bash, then changed the passwd and tried to login as root on the console. Authentication failed! | 20:05 |
| scramblez | When I try sudo as plain user, it complains my user is not in the sudoers file. :-( | 20:06 |
| scramblez | The question remains, why won't it allow me to login as root? And, why 'su -' also fails in a terminal? | 20:06 |
| scramblez | On the console it returns "Login incorrect", although I keep entering the recently changed passwd. | 20:12 |
| DashiePie | have you tried previously correct passwords to see if it actually changed the password? | 20:12 |
| scramblez | DashiePie: I can't remember the original passwd for root. Last time I used it was 2 months ago or so,. | 20:13 |
| scramblez | However resetting it should take and if I delete it completely from the /etc/shadow file it should allow me to login as root without asking for a passwd, yes? | 20:14 |
| scramblez | Neither worked. :( | 20:14 |
| DashiePie | try your user password | 20:15 |
| scramblez | "Login incorrect" ... sigh | 20:15 |
| DashiePie | I wouldn't know what it resets it to, unless it's the default for the graphical installer | 20:16 |
| scramblez | toor | 20:16 |
| scramblez | ? | 20:16 |
| scramblez | I thought the installer root passwd is locked? | 20:16 |
| DashiePie | I can't remember, I didn't even use that kind | 20:16 |
| DashiePie | you can change the password in the graphical installer, and they recommend you do it, according to the guide | 20:17 |
| scramblez | This is so weird! I've never had such a problem before. | 20:17 |
| DashiePie | either way, I don't really know the inner workings, so if it's something more than common sense, I wouldn't know where to point you except for maybe fsmithred | 20:17 |
| scramblez | I'm about to give up on common sense. LOL! | 20:18 |
| scramblez | I'm booting with a Ubuntu LiveISO now to chroot into it. | 20:19 |
| scramblez | Is there something in Devuan stopping root from login on a console? I'm sure I've logged in like this before. | 20:19 |
| fsmithred | what iso did you use to install devuan? | 20:19 |
| scramblez | The netinstall from what I recall | 20:20 |
| fsmithred | and no, we don't do anything to block root | 20:20 |
| scramblez | Why wouldn't a changed root passwd take and fail to login? | 20:20 |
| fsmithred | you could chroot from netinstall iso, but buntu should work, too | 20:20 |
| gnarface | scramblez: add "single" to the kernel command-line, reboot, run "passwd" after verifying your CAPS LOCK KEY IS OFF, then reboot again | 20:20 |
| fsmithred | was that before or after you edited shadow? | 20:20 |
| scramblez | gnarface: will do, thanks | 20:21 |
| gnarface | scramblez: oh, i guess you'll probably need to reboot, then add "single" from the grub prompt | 20:21 |
| scramblez | fsmithred: both before and after. | 20:21 |
| gnarface | scramblez: before you follow my advice, put the shadow file back the way it was. i don't know what the failure case would be if it is missing | 20:22 |
| fsmithred | you didn't get 'command not found' when you ran passwd? | 20:22 |
| scramblez | Nope. | 20:22 |
| fsmithred | ok, so not the usual path problem with root | 20:22 |
| gnarface | disabling root is a feature the netinstaller can engage, but iirc just setting a root password enables it again. | 20:23 |
| scramblez | I changed the kernel line in GRUB to rw and init=/bin/bash, then changed the passwd. I've repeated this half a dozen times so far. | 20:23 |
| gnarface | make sure nothing else is in your removable drive bays | 20:24 |
| gnarface | xlock will warn you if your capslock key is on but nothing else will | 20:24 |
| scramblez | All I'm thinking is the GRUB keyboard is different to the devuan console. :-/ | 20:25 |
| scramblez | I'll try changing it with the Ubuntu liveiso just now and see if I can get in | 20:26 |
| fsmithred | while you're in there, you might add your user to the sudo group. You can remove yourself later if you don't need it. | 20:27 |
| gnarface | yea, sudo should work in theory too | 20:32 |
| scramblez | I'm fast losing the will to live ... LOL! | 20:33 |
| scramblez | adding single to the kernel options is no good - it asks for root passwd. | 20:34 |
| scramblez | I don't have capitals on, as you can see. | 20:34 |
| scramblez | I don't honestly know what else to try. | 20:35 |
| scramblez | OK, I reset it for the last time to a simple passwd for now. Let's see if this takes. | 20:37 |
| scramblez | YES! :-D | 20:37 |
| scramblez | What the ...?! | 20:38 |
| scramblez | OK, and was able to change it too, to a different passwd. Hmm ... | 20:39 |
| scramblez | Now su - from a terminal in the GUI ... | 20:40 |
| scramblez | It works! | 20:40 |
| scramblez | I'd like cairo-dock to launch when I start xfce, but I always end up starting it manually. Any idea why this is so? | 20:42 |
| fsmithred | you added it to the startup apps in xfce? | 20:44 |
| scramblez | I think I had done that - also selected the option to launch at start up from its own menu | 20:46 |
| scramblez | Rebooting now ... on new kernel ... | 20:46 |
| * scramblez holding breath | 20:46 | |
| gnarface | key mapping difference is not impossible as a cause for this, if you're not using the defaults | 20:49 |
| gnarface | especially if you have a weird keyboard | 20:49 |
| gnarface | "single" would have worked though if you did it right | 20:49 |
| gnarface | you would have had to do it from the grub prompt itself (press "e" to edit a menu entry) | 20:50 |
| scramblez | gnarface: that's what I thought too - anyway it seems to work now. | 20:51 |
| scramblez | Perhaps it didn't like too long a passwd? | 20:51 |
| gnarface | i've verified passwords in excess of 72 characters in length, but not recently | 20:51 |
| scramblez | fsmithred: should I add "/usr/bin/cairo-dock" or "cairo-dock-session"? | 20:52 |
| fsmithred | I don't know | 20:52 |
| fsmithred | I would try each in a terminal to see what it does | 20:52 |
| gnarface | it's more likely some punctuation key or other non-alphanumeric is sending a different symbol at the grub prompt than your system setting, unless you're using utf8 or iso-8859-1 | 20:52 |
| fsmithred | or maybe read docs if you like words | 20:52 |
| scramblez | Heh! "cairo-dock" worked. :-) | 20:52 |
| scramblez | gnarface: it's a VM in QEMU - the host has UTF8 | 20:53 |
| scramblez | Thanks guys, appreciate your help! | 20:53 |
| scramblez | Got to run. | 20:53 |
| gnarface | oh, in a VM? hmm, that could be related.... anyway, something is going on there still that looks self-inflicted, but what is important is that it's doing what you want for now | 20:53 |
| scramblez | gnarface: yes, I just couldn't understand why changing the passwd to a long string wouldn't take, but a short temporary passwd did. | 20:54 |
| fsmithred | qemu with vnc? | 20:54 |
| gnarface | in a VM, the possibility that you're not even saving to the disk image you think you are loading comes up... | 20:54 |
| scramblez | No VNC, just qemu. | 20:55 |
| scramblez | gnarface: this is the only devuan guest. | 20:55 |
| scramblez | I may reinstall at a later point, to get it booting in EFI | 20:55 |
| scramblez | OK, got to run - thanks again! | 20:55 |
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