libera/#devuan/ Monday, 2021-02-08

askiwhi, i have a problem. when i plug in headphones, my laptop microphone stops working. where could be a problem?01:13
gnarfaceaskiw: try disabling auto-mute mode in alsamixer and pavucontrol01:22
gnarfaceaskiw: the side effect is the speakers will stay on unless you mute them then01:23
askiwgnarface,  you mean the sound will go through both speakers and headphones?01:24
gnarfaceaskiw: yea, no volumes will change anymore as a result of analog jack hotplug detection events.  you'll have to manage them manually01:25
gnarfaceaskiw: it's definitely a problem with your driver, but this might be a realistic way to work around it (getting it actually fixed is probably not realistic, and definitely will take much longer, so you'll want to try this first either way as a temporary solution)01:26
gnarfaceaskiw: if you're not using pulseaudio, you won't need to mess around with pavucontrol, but if you are using it, you will have to stop it before launching alsamixer01:28
askiwgonna try that, thanks01:29
gnarfaceno problem, good luck01:30
askiwgetting it actually fixed would need to edit the driver?01:30
gnarfaceyea, if you want to explore that route, register for the alsa-devel mailing list and start hanging out in #alsa01:30
gnarfacejust properly filing a bug report they could conceivably take action upon will require you to do some work on your own first, too, including but not limited to compiling a fresh copy of the latest kernel with debugging on01:31
askiwsounds fun:)01:31
gnarfaceif it's the snd_hda_intel driver though, sometimes you can improve behavior by overriding hardware model auto-detection with a module parameter01:33
gnarfacethat's more likely in cases where it never worked01:33
gnarfaceif it used to work and this is a regression, the matter is probably stickier01:33
gnarfacein that case though if you have the previous kernel installed still, you can usually reboot to it to verify01:33
Wafficushey there, can anyone help me figure out how to make my Focusrite Solo Interface (gen 2) audio interface work via the alsa config in ~/.asoundrc?04:37
WafficusI had it before, but my previous dot file got overwritten since.. I'm an idiot04:37
Wafficusanyway, I know it involves aplay -l for starters though04:37
gnarfacedefaults.pcm.!card04:39
gnarfacedefaults.ctl.!card04:39
gnarfacedefaults.pcm.!device04:39
gnarfaceif this is just about changing the default, just just define those 3 lines ^04:39
gnarfacemy example has a string for the first two (the same string, the short version of the card name) and a integer for the device #04:40
gnarfacenumbers probably work for both04:40
gnarfacebut the string is less likely to change04:41
Wafficusyeah its just to change the defaults04:45
Wafficusmy default card is 104:46
Wafficusrather04:46
Wafficuswhoops, its card 204:46
gnarfacethe numbers start at 004:46
gnarfaceusb stuff is rarely in a predictable order though04:47
Wafficusyeah its in card 2 though04:50
Wafficusso I just need: defaults.pcm 204:53
Wafficusdefaults.ctl 204:53
Wafficusdefaults.pcm 204:53
Wafficusis that correct?04:53
gnarfacethe "!" is important04:54
gnarfaceoh04:54
gnarfaceyou're missing the whole last part04:54
gnarfacedefaults.pcm.!card04:55
gnarfacedefaults.ctl.!card04:55
gnarfacedefaults.pcm.!device04:55
gnarfaceso maybe !card 2 and !device 004:57
gnarface?04:57
gnarfacei usually use the name for !card04:57
gnarfaceusually it's something like SB or Intel or PCM04:57
gnarfaceor maybe HDMI04:57
gnarfaceyou should be able to get the info from aplay -l04:57
gnarfacebut what you need to understand is that every card has one or more devices on it04:58
gnarfaceand while you usually use the first device on the first card (0,0) you'll need to set both here, probably to something different04:58
gnarfacesigh04:58
gnarface...and you don't have to reboot for changes to take effect04:59
sauron-gnarface Wafficus is gone04:59
gnarfaceyea it was sarcasm04:59
sauron-lol04:59
Wafficusback sorry, my powerstrip got disconnected04:59
gnarfaceoh, i thought you rebooted05:00
gnarfaceon purpose05:00
Wafficusnah, by accident sorry05:00
gnarfacehttps://paste.debian.net/1184476/05:00
gnarfacethat example uses "Inte" as the card name, here, the card name would just be "SB": card 0: SB [HDA ATI SB], device 0: ALC892 Analog [ALC892 Analog]05:01
gnarfaceer, "Intel"05:01
gnarfacefollow me?05:01
Wafficusgotcha05:01
WafficusI'll have to look at the aplay -l output and see if I can modify it05:01
Wafficusone sec05:01
gnarfaceaplay -l|grep card\ 1|cut -d ' ' -f 305:04
gnarfaceer, actually: aplay -l|grep card\ 2|cut -d ' ' -f 305:04
gnarfaceyou said card 205:04
Wafficusyep05:05
gnarfaceyou won't have to restart the computer, but you will have to restart pulseaudio if you're using it, and possibly the window manager and login manager too05:05
Wafficuscard 2: USB [Scarlett Solo USB], device: 0: USB Audio [USB Audio] Subdevices: 1/1 Subdevice #0: subdevice #005:06
Wafficusso with that in mind, is it:05:07
Wafficusdefaults.pcm.!card Scarlett05:07
Wafficusdefaults.ctl.!card Scarlett05:07
Wafficusdefaults.pcm.!device 205:07
sauron-worked?05:14
gnarfaceWafficus: no, it's defaults.pcm.!card USB05:20
gnarfaceseems dumb, but that's the way i do it05:20
gnarfaceand device 0 i guess05:20
gnarface0 should be the default05:20
* Xenguy likes the dumb way too05:23
Wafficusso it would be:05:24
Xenguytada!05:24
Wafficusdefaults.pcm.!card USB05:24
Wafficusdefaults.ctl.!card USB05:24
Wafficusdefaults.pcm.!device 005:24
Wafficusright?05:24
gnarfaceyea, that should work05:24
gnarfaceif the driver is behaving itself, anyway05:24
Wafficusok cool I'll try that thanks05:24
danuandoing src builds with 100k - 500k of files over nfs is 5 -10 times slower then localy , isci can be faster but cannot be shared to multiple clients,  anyone have any other ideas ?17:32
masondanuan: distcc?18:54
danuancompiling is not the problem , its access  for 100k - 500k small files18:59
r3bootmostly read? If so, you might be better off with some shared filesystem (ocfs, gluster etc) over iscsi19:02
DHEmaybe we don't understand the problem. are you trying to do clustered compiling?19:02
r3bootIf you also write a lot, distcc might be a better option tho19:03
danuancompile over a shared network  filesystem  that has too many small files19:03
DHEyou're compiling with `make -jX` or equivalent for your toolset? maybe increase X?19:05
DHEit's not a great solution, but it's probably low effort19:05
r3bootAnother option would be to separate reads from writes, and have your iscsi share ro-mounted on all boxen19:05
danuanagain isci is not an option since it is not a shared filesystem , and nfs has trouble with a shitload off small files19:06
r3bootIf you mount the iscsi share readonly, you can get past the requirement for the single target19:08
danuanproblem is not with compilation but accesss over netwrok to load of small files , zfs with sync=disabled is the best so far19:08
r3bootThat way, you dont need a shared filesystem on it, and you're limited to the speed of passing packets to/from your SAN19:09
danuanbut then again only one client can write19:10
r3bootYou can two-tier it19:10
r3bootHave one iscsi share for reading, with (eg) ext4 on it, and another one with some shared filesystem on it for the writes19:10
r3bootThat will mean that you would need to patch the build process tho19:11
r3bootThe biggest issue with shares is the global lock which needs to be acquired on all servers participating in the (write) share before you can write. But, you only need that lock for writes, not for reads (assuming you dont rewrite the sourcecode during build)19:14
gnarfacewhy not just set the build directory to be local so the nfs share is only doing reads during the compilation process?19:57
gnarfacealso i suspect that the problem nfs has with a flurry of small files would evaporate if it was backed by xfs instead19:58
mns`Guys, do we have any wallpaper for devuan chimaera?20:07
gnarfacegolinux: there's wallpaper already, isn't there?20:07
gnarfacemns`: i know they have colors already.  i doubt a wallpaper could be far behind20:08
mns`gnarface: oh, thx20:13
mns`kde is flying here :D20:14
fsmithredyeah we have wallpaper for chimaera. I'll see if I can find it.20:25
mns`fsmithred: please!!!!20:45
fsmithredworking on it20:47
golinuxhttps://git.devuan.org/devuan/documentation/src/branch/master/art/graphics20:47
golinuxWM theme is also completed too.20:47
mns`fsmithred: nice!20:47
mns`golinux: thx!20:48
golinuxLook for "deepsea" for Chimaera theme20:48
fsmithredhttps://git.devuan.org/devuan/documentation/src/branch/master/art/graphics/chimaera-deepsea/backgrounds20:48
fsmithredcolors are final on the theme?20:49
golinuxExcept for openbox.20:49
golinuxI keep fogetting because it is such a pain to do.20:49
fsmithredok, I won't build it yet20:50
golinuxI need to go down the hex rabbit hole later today20:51
mns`\o/20:51
mns`brb20:51
golinuxAnd who knows how many more20:51
danuanmns: if your major concern is wallpaper  vs actual functionality of the distro then i would recommend you try ubuntu20:51
gnarfacedon't be mean20:52
fsmithreddamn, one of the first things I do after an install is change the wallpaper20:52
fsmithred(don't tell golinux)20:52
mns`danuan: as i said already. My devuan chimaera with kde is flying ...20:52
* golinux is insulted that the hours of work aren't appreciated by danuan20:53
golinuxIf I don't like the way it looks, I won't use it.  Period.20:53
mns`danuan: also, i guess you are not a very good contribute right? cuz you have time to talk silly things with me20:54
mns`bbl20:54
fsmithredother way to look at it: If all we have to worry about is the background image, devuan must be working pretty well.20:54
gnarfacewell that's my take on it20:58
gnarfaceit's pretty quiet this morning, so i think there was room for volunteers to help test the theme on testing20:59
gnarfaceit's not the highest priority, but it needs to get done and nothing else apparently is broken at the moment so i'd say the timing is appropriate20:59
gnarfacealso, i'm pretty sure Ubuntu ships all the same exact wallpapers except for this one21:00
masonMy background image is always a parchment map of Middle Earth. Doesn't matter if I'm using Devuan, FreeBSD, RHEL, Slackware, MacOS. It's weird how it just follows me around.21:00
danuangnarface: is there particular areas where help is needed ?21:01
* mason heads off to the post office.21:01
gnarfacedanuan: like i said, other than this theme at the moment nothing comes to mind, but i don't claim to be an authority on the matter, either.  maybe ask around.21:01
gnarfacedanuan> i can give you multiple backgrounds , but i do not think it is what devuan needs , its actual oldscool unix administrators support that matters21:07
gnarface^ i don't disagree, but trying to pick a fight with me in private isn't going to convince me that you're being honest with me or yourself about your stated goal here21:08
gnarfaceyou straight up told someone to install Ubuntu21:08
gnarfacescrew your head on straight21:08
danuanthen what does devuan need ?21:11
gnarfaceright now?  probably what we need most is more testing of ARM images21:11
gnarfacebut if you wanted to test chimera instead of just bagging on other people for your disapproval of their testing, i'm sure that would not be entirely wasted effort, either21:12
gnarfacein general, the forumla should be "Am I helping, or am I stopping someone else from helping?"21:13
gnarfaceif you should ever come up with the latter as an answer, redirect your focus21:13
danuanthen if it takes you  only a second to respond does it mean you actually thinking about the response ?21:14
gnarfaceare you trying to test if i have op privileges to ban you?  because i would have already if i did.21:14
danuango ahead !21:15
gnarfaceyour reading comprehension is pretty low, too, is my analysis.  re-read my last sentence.21:15
gnarfacein fact, considering how badly wrong you got that one, i think you should re-read EVERYTHING i said this morning, and then spend a few hours thinking about your actions and what motivated you to behave this way.  chances are you're projecting.21:16
danuangeesz , egoos flyin21:17
gnarfaceyou're beneath me21:17
danuanplease ban me21:17
gnarface<danuan> just showed yourself for a kiddies that you are , didnt you ?21:30
gnarface^ danuan stop harassing me21:30
gnarfaceyou didn't win an argument, what you're doing is burning through the quiet good will of the people watching this channel who actually are in charge21:30
gnarfaceand it's not relevant to support, so no, i'm not going to keep engaging you about it21:31
gnarfaceand fix your fucking grammer21:31
gnarfacegrammar*21:31
debdogare these irc-bash thingies still a thing?21:33
gnarfacedanuan: stop whispering me, i mean ti21:41
gnarfacedanuan: you're proving that you know you lost the argument by trying to continue to provoke me in private, and frankly it's pretty stupid21:41
danuan:)21:41
danuango call you parents about your abusing you !21:42
fsmithreddone now? If not, take it to OT21:43
ChakpapaHow usable is chimaera?21:56
Chakpapabullseye is reaching Freeze.21:56
danuanlike a hooker you pay up front21:56
mns`Chakpapa: I have  a full working kde desktop21:57
mns`So far so good21:57
gnarfaceChakpapa: everything is done except for the wallpaper :)21:57
mns`So ... there's no op here?21:57
gnarfaceChakpapa: (no, i don't know, but a bunch of people are using it already)21:57
ChakpapaLol @ wallpaper. Well I got mine.21:57
ChakpapaWell, will openrc-init be functional this time around?21:58
fsmithreda lot of stuff is already devuanized, so chimaera is in pretty good shape21:58
gnarfacewasn't openrc functional last time around?  or do you mean without depending on sysvinit parts?21:58
ChakpapaI am talking about openrc-init as PID021:59
ChakpapaOpenRC+openrc-init combination21:59
Chakpapaworks in Gentoo21:59
fsmithredI think that's what it does when you install openrc21:59
Chakpapain Devuan buster it was not compiled with the necessary scripts21:59
ChakpapaI am talking about this https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/OpenRC#openrc-init21:59
Chakpapahttps://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/OpenRC/openrc-init22:00
gnarfaceChakpapa: in buster people were just replacing the debian one with the gentoo one, i dunno if the work to switch over to it ever got done.  there was talk of it then there wasn't...22:00
ChakpapaThis completely replaces and bypasses sysvinit22:00
ChakpapaThis was the only thing I would like to see in Devuan. I mean of course "optionally" when someone selects the openrc option during installation22:01
gnarfaceChakpapa: anyway i know that unofficial packages were built and floating around, building it yourself wasn't known to be a hard task, and i think someone demonstrated a simple file move or rename fix to the existing package to make it do the same22:01
fsmithredyeah, I just booted a beowulf openrc live-iso and /proc/1/comm is init22:01
fsmithredif you install runit, you get runit as pid 122:01
fsmithredbut it still uses the sysvinit scripts22:02
* Chakpapa is talking about /sbin/openrc-init as PID1 :P22:02
ChakpapaI mean its not a critical thing as such. Was just wondering if anyone looked into it22:02
ChakpapaAlthough in the long run I would definitely like to see s6 getting adapted more22:03
ChakpapaSeems promising22:03
fsmithredI'm not aware of anyone doing much work on openrc in devuan22:03
fsmithredI know parazyd did some work on it, but that was probably two years ago22:03
ChakpapaSo most people just stick to sysvinit?22:03
gnarfacepeople definitely looked into it, just nothing officially got done.  people did build and install the gentoo implementation though.  i think not just in beowulf, also in ascii22:03
gnarfacemost people do just stick to sysvinit, or the openrc+sysvinit combo which debian did have good reasons for22:04
gnarfaceand we do provide support for sysvinit here, it's not a complex beast22:04
fsmithredI know there are some people using openrc and there are some using runit22:04
fsmithredand there's some work being done on s622:05
ChakpapaI mean the sysvinit+OpenRC (As the helper) is definitely the predominant even in Gentoo. OpenRC+openrc-init is relatively new22:05
fsmithredif you have an itch, scratch it22:05
gnarfaceChakpapa: if you want to test someone else's openrc-init build, hang around and someone usually will present theirs eventually22:06
fsmithreddoes it need something to replace the init scripts?22:06
gnarfacedoesn't it just use some sort of condensed start list like BSD rc?22:07
fsmithredI haven't played with openrc at all, despite the fact that I've made live-isos that use it. I didn't have to do anything different.22:07
gnarfacei don't remember how it works anymore, i used it for a little on gentoo in 200622:08
fsmithredwith runit, each service gets a directory with run files22:08
fsmithredand I've only seen the ones for the gettys. They are short.22:09
gnarfacei also really thought someone had simple hack to make the native openrc build behave like the gentoo one just by replacing the init binary with a symlink or something like that.  anyone remember?22:09
Chakpapaopenrc-init Doesn't exactly "replaces" init scripts. It expects them to be in /etc/init.d  ... It just replaces sysvinit as PID0 and takes over completely. shutdown / reboot is handled by openrc-shutdown in that case22:09
gnarface<danuan> if you need an ego boost go an jog or something , but misinforming people about few command you looked up on google is not it22:13
ChakpapaDebian should have made systemd as "optional" instead of the other way around. Similar to Gentoo.  : /22:13
gnarface^ danuan.  i mean it.  stop whispering me.  you lost the fucking argument now deal with it22:13
mns`cmd: Distributor ID:Devuan22:22
mns`cmd: Description:Devuan GNU/Linux 4 (chimaera/ceres)22:22
mns`cmd: Release:testing/unstable22:22
mns`cmd: Codename:n/a22:22
mns`for the jealous22:22
* mns` screams!22:23
Chakpapamns`, use "SID" + "Experimental" :P22:29
Chakpapalmao22:29
mns`Chakpapa: sure, in a vm :D22:31
Chakpapalol22:31
xinomiloexperimental isn't a real dist22:32
ChakpapaI know. Was just joking22:32
xinomilo:)22:32
ChakpapaIts more like a staging area before SID22:32
n4direxperimental can be interesting if the freeze is so cold that even Sid feels static. But i don't recall ever installed anything from it22:33
gnarfacei needed it once for a couple weeks for nvidia drivers that World of Warcraft required that were crashing everything else22:34
n4diryeah, like that. it can happen22:34
gnarface(discovered the hard way why they were not in unstable yet)22:34
n4dirif it wouldn't have been mentioned here right now, i probably would not even think of it. You hear of it like twice a year, if at all22:35
tuxd3vhello all, I need the plugin for geany, to debug software22:36
tuxd3vI installed packages: geany geany-common geany-plugin-addons geany-plugins-common22:37
systemdletehttps://support.mozilla.org/en-US/questions/98248022:37
tuxd3vbut when i go to tools > plugin Manager, I on't find the debugger :/22:38
systemdleteThis makes me want to scream!   The mozilla person seems to refuse to acknowledge that the bug is in firefox code.  Just admit it, then proceed to fix it.  The poor reporter has to reiterate the same info at least 3 times.22:38
systemdleteI am so ready for a different browser that is not firefox/mozilla based.  I just might switch to chromium, but that also has its own issues...22:39
systemdleteI have to wonder if mozilla devs understand the concept of test-before-release.22:39
systemdlete(this problem did not exist before the latest firefox upgrade)22:40
systemdletefix one, break two22:40
nemosystemdlete: yeah, their whole new DoH system was specifically designed to avoid ISPs snooping on DNS requests. buuut it's supposed to detect when one is on "corporate" and disable itself22:40
nemosystemdlete: I guess the issue is sometimes corporate not being detected22:41
nemoin any case fix is simple, just turn off DoH22:41
nemosimilar to my corporation deliberately MitMing everything on enter on their land.  Firefox detects this, you get a brief error hitting an external site then it immediately turns off cert protections with an "enterprise mitm" flag22:42
systemdleteDNS over http is not enabled.22:42
systemdleteie, it seems to already be disabled22:43
systemdlete??22:43
nemosystemdlete: ah. I should've read https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=40866922:43
nemoI understand the issue better now22:43
nemoI haven't used anything but VPNs and such in years.22:43
nemoI see22:44
nemo"this is by design - there is not one unified view of DNS, and when you are using a proxy you are proxying the DNS to that view.22:44
nemoYou can however use DNS explicitly within a .PAC script"22:44
nemoI have no idea if that is a legitimate thing to say or not22:44
nemoI'm totally unfamiliar with this subject area, so no idea if you're right or if Patrick is22:44
nemoI do know "works in other browsers" does have some weight with them sometimes. maybe file a new bug with this angle?22:45
systemdleteI'm not on a VPN.22:45
systemdleteThis is my own home desktop PC.22:45
systemdleteIt was working yesterday.22:45
nemosystemdlete: but using SOCKS or somesuch right?22:45
systemdletenot sure22:45
nemothat seems to be what that bug is all about22:45
systemdleteI am using dnsmasq on openwrt router22:45
nemothat's not a problem22:46
systemdleteshouldn't be, no22:46
systemdletehow to check if I'm using socks?22:46
systemdletepresence of library?22:46
nemoheh. if you aren't sure, you almost certainly aren't22:46
systemdleteI do not recall doing anything specifically when I installed this machine.22:47
gnarfacetuxd3v: did you try installing package "geany-plugin-debugger" or running "apt-cache search ^geany-"  ...?22:47
nemosystemdlete: ≡→Preferences→General→Network Settings22:47
nemosystemdlete: same place you'd go to make sure DoH is turned off22:47
systemdleteyeah.  Like I said, DoH is disabled (not checked)22:47
nemosystemdlete: interesting. there's even a "proxy dns" flag in there, so that bug is probably way out of date22:47
tuxd3vgnarface, doesn't exist at least with that name :/22:48
nemosystemdlete: and "no proxy" set?22:48
systemdleteright22:48
systemdletelol22:48
gnarfacetuxd3v: oh.  i see it on ceres.  maybe check backports?22:48
systemdletehey nemo, thanks for responding.  Appreciate it.22:48
nemosystemdlete: and, this is a bit silly, but if you just do "dig" or "ping" everything is fine right? and your dnsmasq doesn't have any bugs w/ AAAA requests?22:48
systemdleteoh yeah.  Works from command line, chromium browser, etc22:49
systemdleteand I can enter the IP explicitly and it works22:49
nemosystemdlete: I had issues years ago in firefox due to defaulting to IPv6 plus severely buggy corporate DNS22:49
tuxd3vnope, not it backports22:49
tuxd3v:(22:49
nemosystemdlete: network.dns.disableIPv6;true  would take care of that22:49
systemdleteAre you saying you believe that I am running into a ipv6 problem?  Or is that to correct a different problem?22:50
gnarfacetuxd3v: i'm not seeing it at pkginfo.devuan.org either, but i don't know if that's a bug with pkginfo.devuan.org or not, because i see it here in my local package cache for ceres.22:51
gnarfacetuxd3v: either way, you might end up having to build it yourself22:51
nemosystemdlete: I do not know... maybe test with dig, and with that flag set22:51
nemosystemdlete: I'm trying to think of anything that could explain differing behaviour w/ proxy and DoH disabled22:52
nemosystemdlete: at that point it really should just be using system DNS - IPv4 vs IPv6 is typically the only variation22:52
systemdleteI'm trying to think of anything that could explain differing behavior from yesterday!22:52
nemosystemdlete: firefox version update? ☺22:52
systemdleteThe only thing I can think of is the upgrade.22:52
systemdlete(yes)22:52
nemosystemdlete: ok. well that's easy enough to test, just try an older firefox zip22:53
nemosystemdlete: there's tons of them on the firefox website22:53
systemdleteugh.22:53
nemosystemdlete: http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/firefox/nightly/  grab one from a year ago, unzip it22:53
nemono need to even bisect at least at first22:53
systemdletenah22:53
systemdleteI am certain that is the issue.22:53
tuxd3vits a problem in pkginfo.devuan.org22:53
systemdleteThey "fixed" something.22:53
tuxd3vit exists in amd6422:53
tuxd3vbut not in i38622:53
tuxd3vhttps://pkginfo.devuan.org/cgi-bin/policy-query.html?c=package&q=geany-plugin-debugger22:54
nemosystemdlete: ok, well, only flag I can think to try is that IPv6 thing. and maybe check the changelog22:54
nemosystemdlete: I *have* gotten things fixed in past by reporting a problem after having bisected. it's a little tedious to do, but they have a tool for it22:54
nemohttps://github.com/mozilla/mozregression22:54
nemousually just takes like a dozen tries even with a broad range22:55
nemoyay binary searches22:55
systemdleteYeah, it looks like the mozilla tech has filed a bug already22:55
nemosystemdlete: oh? link? now I'm curious22:55
systemdleteand there will be yay more no doubt22:55
systemdletelook at the end of the link I gave above22:55
nemoI did22:55
nemothat's the one I was referencing22:55
nemothat's an old ticket22:56
systemdletedid you see where the tech offered to file a bug for it?22:56
nemoclosed WONTFIX22:56
systemdletenot that old22:56
nemook. then wrong reference22:56
nemolink me to right one?22:56
systemdleteOh you are right  -- I was looking at the january part -- didn't notice the year (7 years ago)22:56
nemoyeah. and that is probably addressed by that "Proxy DNS requests" checkbox in the dialog you were in22:56
systemdletebut still, the bug was fixed... and now re-appears22:57
nemomight be something totally and wildly different.22:57
nemofor one thing you aren't using proxy22:57
systemdletenemo:  What I want to do is get away from constant buggy releases.22:57
nemonature of software dev... I can't get too upset about it.  they broke all my internet at work due to the MitM they were doing corrupting SSL22:58
systemdleteIt seems like every time they release a new version, it introduces new problems.  I wish I could just get security updates and experiment with new features at my own discretion.22:58
nemothat's hardly Firefox' fault22:58
systemdleteno it's not the nature of software dev22:58
nemothen there was the browser crashing because Cylance was injecting itself into the process22:58
systemdleteI've worked in environments where such releases would never be allowed.22:58
nemosystemdlete: the problem (for you) is that it works for absolutely everyone else 😝22:58
nemosystemdlete: mozilla has one of the largest test systems out there.22:58
systemdleteBut this is going to be a philosophical, not technical, disagreement.22:58
systemdlete(yeah, right)22:59
nemoyes. right.22:59
tuxd3vgnarface, ouch... its not in beowulf22:59
nemosystemdlete: $ unzip -l mozilla_try-2021-01-08.zip  | wc -l22:59
nemo28655522:59
tuxd3vI can't find it also on debian-buster23:00
nemoa quarter of a million tests run each time they push something. not counting the tests run on nightly users23:00
systemdleteno, thanks.23:00
systemdleteso if they do all this testing, how did this (old!) bug creep back in?23:00
tuxd3vHow can this guys compile a tool suite, for compiling code, and forget about the most important thing in the hole process... yeah the debugger :/23:00
nemosystemdlete: because it's a different bug23:00
systemdletenot impressed here... sorry23:00
nemosystemdlete: with similar symptoms23:00
nemosystemdlete: have you tried the IPv6 thing yet?23:01
nemosystemdlete: file a new bug. do a quick bisect to give them a regression range. test in a clean profile, test with alternate DNS servers23:01
systemdleteit's the symptoms that are tested normally.  At least that is how the regression testing I've worked with.23:01
nemosystemdlete: give them all of this, I bet you'll get a quick fix23:01
nemosystemdlete: problem for you is it is fine for rest of us23:01
nemosystemdlete: my local DNS using gentoo + tinydns + dnscachex works just fine23:02
nemolocal and remote23:02
systemdleteYou are able to access local systems in firefox 78.7.0?23:02
nemoyes23:02
nemosystemdlete: both at work and home23:02
nemoall versions of firefox23:02
systemdletewhy is it that chromium works then?23:02
gnarfacetuxd3v: i gotta assume debian maintainers operating independently of the upstream project pulled it for whatever support related reason.23:02
nemosystemdlete: well. test clean profile. test different browser versions.23:02
nemosystemdlete: chrome could be doing DNS through google for all you know 😝23:02
gnarfacetuxd3v: try to build it yourself and maybe you'll run into the same problem, maybe not23:02
systemdletehow would google know the IP addresses of my local systems?23:03
tuxd3vgnarface, humm, I don't really have much options here , I will try to build it..23:03
systemdleteNo, chromium is using the same dns resolver as firefox ever has.23:03
systemdleteit has to be.23:03
tuxd3vmany thanks for the heal, as usual :)23:03
nemosystemdlete: yeah, I just retested in a nightly firefox.  hit internal unpublished no problem23:04
nemoHTTP, HTTPS23:04
nemoworked same, apart from HTTPS erroring ofc23:04
systemdleteand if it doesn't work for ipv4 or ipv6, it wouldn't likely work for the other.  Also, I only have ipv4 addresses defined in my openwrt.23:04
nemosystemdlete: yeah. I just use IPv4 too23:04
systemdleteI'll just use the ip addresses for now.23:04
nemosystemdlete: on the other hand firefox does do IPv6 by default23:04
systemdleteOr maybe I'll switch to chromium.23:04
nemosystemdlete: have you tested in a clean profile yet?23:04
nemosystemdlete: have you tried turning off that IPv6 yet?23:05
systemdlete^23:05
systemdleteOr maybe I should just power down the computer and read a book instead... !23:06
systemdletesorry nemo.  I'm just tired of chasing down bugs for the moment.   I'll just wait until ff fixes it.  It shouldnt' be very long23:06
nemosystemdlete: it'll get fixed a lot faster if you help. 'cause, yeah, it's fine for rest of us 😝23:07
nemooh well. whatev23:07
systemdleteare you using 78.7.0esr?23:07
nemosystemdlete: yes. and *I* unlike you, used a clean profile 😝23:08
nemowell in part 'cause I usually don't use ESR23:08
systemdleteyes, a new profile works23:09
systemdleteI'd rather not have to reset it all though23:10
systemdleteis there a way to sort of "export/import" the settings from one profile to another?23:11
systemdlete(I doubt it ofc)23:11
nemosystemdlete: there's a few ways23:11
nemosystemdlete: there's the profile sync feature23:11
nemosystemdlete: there's copying over key files (like prefs.js)23:11
systemdleteactually, prefs.js should be enough right?23:11
nemosystemdlete: but really, if one works and the other doesn't, usual suspect is extensions or config settings23:11
nemoI'd definitely start with prefs.js23:12
nemobonus if it breaks new one, it gives you a reduced set to check23:12
nemosystemdlete: depends what you want in the new profile really23:12
systemdleteah, thank you nemo!  I forgot all about those extensions23:13
nemoO_o23:13
systemdleteI have a few, and they might even be conflicting with each other!23:13
* systemdlete hits himself, hard!23:13
nemothat's why first step in #firefox support is "test in clean profile"23:13
nemoavoids extension and pref config issues due to years of customisation23:13
nemowhich isn't to say they didn't break something in a new release23:13
nemobut usually explains why no one else ran into it23:13
systemdleteI have decentraleyes, privacybadger, ublock origin, AND ddg privacy23:14
nemohmmm23:14
nemoI use those too23:14
systemdleteall 4?23:14
nemowell... haven't used privacybadger in a while23:14
systemdleteOK, I'll disable that23:14
nemoI use decentraleyes, umatrix, and noscript.23:14
nemoI've never used ublock origin23:14
nemook. I don't use *all* of them ☺23:14
nemobut also they are pretty major projects..23:14
nemosystemdlete: you mean https://addons.mozilla.org/fr/firefox/addon/duckduckgo-for-firefox/ right?23:15
nemoI do have that one in a profile, but obv not in an ESR one. hm.23:15
systemdlete"duckduckgo privacy essentials"23:15
nemoumm sorry for the /fr/ link23:15
systemdleteyep.  privacy badger23:16
nemosystemdlete: interesting. I haven't used privacybadger in a while23:16
systemdletenow it works.  ty again for your patience with this old pita23:16
* nemo shrugs23:16
systemdleteI think the others will provide enough protection for my tastes23:16
nemosystemdlete: maybe report bug against privacy badger?23:17
systemdleteor maybe I just need to do an update for it?23:17
tuxd3vheal-> help23:17
systemdlete(tuxd3v:  Help *is* healing!)23:18
systemdlete(so it's ok)23:18
nemosystemdlete: I'd been kinda relying on firefox built-in tracking protection and noscript/umatrix these days.23:18
systemdleteand nemo:  Thank you for helping me "heal" MY system.23:18
tuxd3vsystemdlete, indeed hehe :)23:18
systemdletenemo: So I disabled the addon, enabled auto updates, re-enabled the addon, restarted browser, and now all is working like yesterday!23:21
nemosystemdlete: oh. you had auto updates of addons turned off too?23:21
systemdleteso it seems more likely that there was a problem with the update of privacy badger from Feb 2 (last update)23:22
nemoI guess that's a good paranoia measure, but I mean... mozilla *does* do review of extensions at least... ☺23:22
systemdletebut it is still showing feb 2 last update23:22
systemdletehmmm.23:22
systemdletemaybe when I did all that disabling and re-enabling, it updated some data?23:23
systemdleteor otherwise reset itself23:23
nemoorrr they did a bugfix release same day..23:23
nemo"Remove pixel cookie sharing detection for now "23:24
nemono idea what that was, but "remove for now" is never a good sign ☺23:24
systemdletewhat is pixel cookie sharing?23:24
systemdletewhere is that?23:25
nemosystemdlete: I guess they mean tracking pixels + cookies23:25
nemohttps://github.com/EFForg/privacybadger/commits/master23:25
nemosystemdlete: I was just looking for commits same day as the release23:25
systemdleteoh, I see.23:25
systemdletein the source, right.23:25
systemdleteagain, thank you so much for pointing me to a solution, whatever crazy thing it ends up being.23:26
systemdleteand sorry for being such a crab about it all23:26
systemdleteyou don't deserve that.  You are trying to help.23:26

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