libera/#devuan/ Thursday, 2021-02-11

tuxd3vgnarface, unfortunately Geany is not suitable to online debug, using openocd + arm-none-eabi-gdb02:47
tuxd3vI tested Geany in Chimaera :)02:47
tuxd3vBut Netbeans 8.2 is capable of debuging, its not the best solution but its one that works..02:48
tuxd3v:)02:48
XenguyHuh, they call geany an IDE, but isn't it really just a text editor?03:41
golinuxA clunky one03:44
fsmithredyou can write code in it and then run the code03:45
fsmithredit's more than just a text editor03:45
fsmithredit lists functions in the left panel and you can jump to them03:46
fsmithredand it does other things that I've never really investigated03:46
fsmithredsearch and destroy, of course03:46
XenguyInteresting03:52
HumanG33khi on a devuan server sometimes aptitude update can not resolve deb.devuan domain name. any clue ?04:51
HumanG33kalso there is somewhere the naming convention for iso ?04:52
gnarfaceHumanG33k: are you on ipv6 with no ipv4 support?04:54
HumanG33kno04:56
HumanG33kmore ipv4 only04:56
HumanG33kit's strange because it resolve other repo04:57
HumanG33kand if i let it finish and retry it works04:57
HumanG33kalso a curl work fine04:57
gnarfacesometimes they are just broken04:58
HumanG33khumm04:58
HumanG33knot fun04:58
gnarfaceit's a dns resolution error, not just missing packages?04:58
HumanG33ksure04:58
gnarfacepackages are sometimes missing on some of the mirrors during updates04:58
gnarfacei wonder if it's your dns04:58
gnarfaceyou could try running a local dns server04:59
HumanG33kErreur temporaire de résolution de « deb.devuan.org »04:59
Xenguyvague04:59
HumanG33kbut on the "line" before04:59
HumanG33kAtteint https://repos.fusiondirectory.org/fusiondirectory-extra/debian-stretch stretch InRelease04:59
gnarfacetemporary resolution error i think usually means the dns server didn't respond?05:00
XenguyOh gawd, the fusion thing again, okay05:00
HumanG33kyes but it s not the first time that error occur05:00
HumanG33kdo not worry Xenguy ;)05:00
XenguyWhat, me worry?05:01
HumanG33k==> Oh gawd, the fusion thing again,05:01
XenguyHah05:01
XenguyA lot of rabbitholes these days05:02
XenguyKind of like infinite, but I'm veering OT of course05:02
HumanG33ki just comment the blocking line of the fusion case and taadaaa mark as install and everythings works fine05:02
XenguyBetter than a kick in the arse!05:03
HumanG33ki will setup soon a lab to investigate if its a devuan trouble, my install trouble or something else.05:03
XenguyDo let us know, for sure05:04
HumanG33ki currently not run the everybody configuration05:04
HumanG33kand problem can come from several things.05:04
HumanG33kfor now i identify 3 possibles root causes. one in each category05:05
XenguyGood adventures05:06
HumanG33kfirst a diff between deb and dev, harden stuff or not mainstream apache2 plugin (near than exclude).05:06
tuxd3vfsmithred, indeed, I like it for coding, because it has the aspect of a Text Editor, with lots of extra small functionalities..05:06
tuxd3vif the project is Makefile based it goes really well, smoth sailing..05:07
tuxd3vYes it can compile and run the code..05:07
XenguyHuh, always trying to keep up with the times, haha05:07
tuxd3vBut it was created to run code natively in the host machine05:08
tuxd3vin the same computer..05:08
XenguyThat's definitely IDE'ish05:08
tuxd3vI was trying to program microcontrolers code, and was trying to get Geany, to push the code into the microcontroller and debug the code there05:09
XenguyYou like Arm?05:09
HumanG33kinsert the push in a makefile05:09
tuxd3vObviously it was not created for that, but its a question that somebody creates a GDB_Server plugin, for it, and it will do it05:10
XenguySo a hack, yay05:10
tuxd3vI am kidding around with a BluePill, a MCU from STMicroelectronics stm32f103c8t6 arm 32 bits mcu05:11
XenguyBest of luck, way over my head05:13
tuxd3vXenguy, yeah its a sort of a IDE, but using less resources than the gigantic IDE's we know :)05:13
tuxd3vA comparison between pills :)05:16
tuxd3vhttps://hackaday.com/2021/01/20/blue-pill-vs-black-pill-transitioning-from-stm32f103-to-stm32f411/05:16
XenguyNice, thanks, alright05:17
tuxd3vHumanG33k, I am doing that already, via Makefile, but for debuging a graphican environment would be nice..05:27
tuxd3vI am using arm-none-eabi-gdb -tui05:27
tuxd3vit does the job but its not the same as a graphical debugger :)05:28
HumanG33kthat what i will say gdb do the job.05:32
HumanG33kand pretty sure you can retrieve "distant" and show it in a nice window.05:33
tuxd3vyou can enable -tui mode, to enable the ncurses interface05:34
tuxd3vit works, but I would love that the gdb plugin for Geany had gdbserver also :)05:34
tuxd3vin that way I could do everything from a simplistic IDE :)05:34
unixbsdwhich devuan release has ppsspp in the repository of "Base" ?13:06
xrogaanwhich debian release has that?13:32
JorilThere's a RFP https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=69782113:32
b00bhi. why does debian need so long to update firefox-esr? mozilla fixed the security issue on 05.02.2021, today it is the 11.02.2021 and the update is still not there. https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/78.7.1/releasenotes/ newest debian release is from 27.01.2021 https://metadata.ftp-master.debian.org/changelogs//main/f/firefox-esr/firefox-esr_78.7.0esr-1~deb10u1_changelog14:48
b00boh wait it's windows only... however there's always a big delay always14:50
xinomilonope, firefox-esr always comes in fast.. usually next day15:14
Guest385I'm the one who keeps having problems after lynis17:31
Guest385My problems have now been reduced to a single issue17:31
Guest385I have to do this upon every reboot17:31
Guest385[08:26 root@lappy se7en] > ls -ld /dev/snd17:31
Guest385drwxr-x--- 3 root root 260 Feb 11 08:17 /dev/snd17:31
Guest385[08:27 root@lappy se7en] > chown root:audio /dev/snd17:31
masonGuest385: That's unusual. The issue isn't that audio needs to own it, the issue is that /dev/snd ought to be mode 075517:55
masonGuest385: You should see the working bits inside of already set to group audio. Do you?17:55
masonmost of the files inside it, to be specific.17:56
askiwhi, i am going to install different gpu drivers on my system. is there an easy way to revert changes in case i break something?17:57
masonaskiw: Depends on how you do it. If you're using the package system, worst case is you use rescue media. Make sure you have back-ups first.18:03
gnarfacemason: it should be owned by the "audio" group though, or something has gone wrong with eudev/udev18:25
masongnarface: It's not owned by audio here, on Beowulf.18:26
masonchecking a second system for more datapoints18:26
gnarfaceaskiw: most gpu drivers will coexist, in one exception they will not coexist peacefully (nouveau and nvidia) and no there's no way to easily roll back other than uninstall or blacklist the one you're using18:26
gnarfaceaskiw: *the one you're not using, i mean18:27
gnarfaceaskiw: (process for this is not different fundamentally from debian, though)18:28
gnarfacemason: oh, you're right, that directory is just root:root 75518:29
masonYar, checked several systems now. But root:root should be okay as long as the working bits are root:audio.18:29
gnarfacemason: it's the stuff in it that needs to be owned by audio (and should be mode 660)18:29
masonWhat confuses me is that his actual /dev/snd directory is 075018:29
gnarfaceGuest385: ^ aside from this, still looks like a problem with your udev rules18:30
gnarfaceGuest385: if you haven't altered anything, my best guess is somehow your hardware isn't being recognized, or you somehow removed udev18:30
gnarfaceGuest385: *note, hardware can be unrecognized by udev for trivial number-range mistakes in expected device id's and such, independently of whether the driver for said device works feature-wise18:31
Anonical_jujuhello23:46
plubhi23:46
plub850138783?23:46
Anonical_jujuI have installed devuan just to mess with it for a bit... say what?23:46
plub17841724018723:46
numzobis that ascii?23:46
plubdo you have a question23:47
Anonical_jujuYes anyhow, I have installed devuan but I didn't input any user information. It's asking me for a username and password now and I don't know what they are23:47
Anonical_jujuwhat are the defaults?23:47
plubgood question23:48
plubi think maybe root and toore23:48
plubtoor23:48
plubi forgot23:48
Anonical_jujuah... sounds familiar23:48
plubtry root / root23:48
pluband root /toor23:48
plubshould be better documented23:49
Anonical_jujuI'm having no luck with either23:49
daimonAnonical_juju, your screwed reinstall23:49
golinuxDepends on which installer you used live or netinstall23:49
plubmust have been one of those23:49
daimonI got smashed by that a few days ago ;p23:49
fsmithreddevuan:devuan23:49
Anonical_jujubooooo I did it by optical drive :(23:49
fsmithredroot:toor23:50
daimoneven though I never set a root pass and installed no other users23:50
daimonbut eh I assume it will be the same result23:50
numzobboot live cd.  chroot.  passwd.  exit?23:50
fsmithredoh, Anonical_juju you might have some problems there23:50
fsmithredif sound is not working, reboot and boot to ram23:50
Anonical_jujudo you want the other part of this fun experiment?23:50
fsmithredsure23:51
Anonical_jujuthere is a supervisor password that won't let me change the boot order23:51
fsmithredoh, on the computer?23:51
daimonfsmithred, as an aside from that chat we had couple days ago, that box is now up and running :) thank you again for the help seamless install23:51
Anonical_jujuno OS > CD-ROM is fine. an OS > no fun allowed23:51
fsmithredwhat do you mean?23:52
daimonhe cant change the boot order23:52
daimonbios boot order23:52
fsmithredis cdrom first?23:52
Anonical_jujuI think it is when there is no other bootable media.23:52
daimonthat means its last23:53
Anonical_jujuUSB is disabled23:53
daimonPXE?23:53
fsmithredokay. I was going to suggest usb, but I didn't get to that.23:53
fsmithredI'm confused.23:53
fsmithredyou got to a login screen?23:53
Anonical_jujuyeah23:53
fsmithredare you there now?23:54
Anonical_jujuyes23:54
fsmithredname and password are devuan23:54
Anonical_jujuneither of any of those combinations go through23:54
fsmithredwhat iso are you using?23:54
Anonical_jujuserver CD 1/323:55
fsmithredoh, not a live CD23:55
fsmithredare you running the installer?23:55
fsmithreddid it ask you to create a user?23:56
Anonical_jujuit has installed already, I skipped user creation23:56
Anonical_jujuI think I somehow have no users at all23:56
daimondid you set a password for root?23:56
Anonical_jujunope23:56
daimonyeah you did same as me23:56
daimonand you are screwed :P23:56
fsmithredlol, ok.23:56
fsmithredyou know how to boot with init=/bin/bash23:56
fsmithredor...23:57
fsmithredreboot the CD, go into rescue mode or whatever it's called23:57
Anonical_jujuthere might be a boot into terminal option in grub, probably wants the password in there23:57
fsmithredboot single, but it'll want a password23:57
Anonical_jujuhah power options are greyed out... hard booting23:58
fsmithredin rescue mode you can open a shell in the installed system23:58
fsmithredand then set the password23:58
daimonbut weigh this against just reinstalling ^23:58
daimonwhich takes 20 minutes23:58
Anonical_jujuit took me a while as it happens... using CD 1 & 323:59
Anonical_jujuI'm on recovery mode now23:59
daimonsame as any os, just install minimal do the rest later23:59
fsmithredyou have slow internet?23:59
Anonical_jujuwell.. the WiFi card did not work until the OS was up and running23:59

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