| plasma41 | daimon: This is a known issue in 3.0. It is fixed in 3.1. You can also fix it manually by deleting the file /etc/pulse/client.conf.d/00-disable-autospawn.conf | 00:01 |
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| daimon | also using mpg123 to play an mp3 in console is not outputting anything | 00:02 |
| daimon | is that the same problem?> | 00:02 |
| plasma41 | daimon: probably | 00:02 |
| daimon | how do I get a mixert up in console | 00:02 |
| daimon | just curious it used to be alsamixer | 00:02 |
| plasma41 | daimon: Is alsa-utils installed? | 00:04 |
| daimon | ah it still is alsa I thought pulseaudio had replaced it | 00:04 |
| daimon | got it now :) cheers | 00:05 |
| plasma41 | daimon: np | 00:05 |
| polar_flux | hello | 11:51 |
| polar_flux | Where can I get hold of xen-tools? | 11:51 |
| debdog | apt-get install xen-tools (or your question lacks info) | 11:54 |
| polar_flux | Thanks. I tried. | 11:55 |
| polar_flux | I configured sources and so on. | 11:55 |
| polar_flux | I get a lot of messages about failure to fetch and failure to resolve. | 11:56 |
| polar_flux | Other packages were found ok. I installed xen domu already, on top of Beowulf, on a server. | 11:57 |
| polar_flux | The merged/pool branch is not showing on deb.devuan.org | 11:58 |
| polar_flux | I suppose I can get source from somewhere, but I am new to devuan. | 12:01 |
| polar_flux | I've used linux for ages, and got solaris sys admin cert before Oracle stamped on it...so I can find my way around. | 12:02 |
| polar_flux | I just can't find much documentation, and when codebases are close but different, then I could be climbing up the wrong tree for ages. | 12:03 |
| gnarface | polar_flux: first thing you should do is just try again. there are temporary failures often | 12:08 |
| gnarface | there's possibly an issue with your sources.list, too | 12:08 |
| gnarface | if you paste your sources.list to paste.debian.net someone here can sanity check it for you | 12:10 |
| deldenzen | test | 12:10 |
| deldenzen | alright irc works | 12:10 |
| deldenzen | was wondering where i can get a minimal devuan iso? | 12:11 |
| gnarface | there was a mini.iso | 12:11 |
| deldenzen | was is past tense so im assuming there is no mini iso anymore | 12:11 |
| deldenzen | thats sad | 12:11 |
| gnarface | maybe there still is, try here: https://files.devuan.org/devuan_beowulf/minimal-live/ | 12:12 |
| gnarface | maybe this is it and they just renamed it | 12:13 |
| rrq | https://www.devuan.org is not a bad place to start | 12:16 |
| fsmithred | mini isos are in the debian-installer tree | 12:25 |
| fsmithred | not quite... | 12:26 |
| fsmithred | https://pkgmaster.devuan.org/devuan/dists/beowulf/main/installer-amd64/current/images/netboot/ | 12:26 |
| fsmithred | go up and over for i386 | 12:26 |
| deldenzen | oh yeah baby lets go | 12:27 |
| deldenzen | @fsmithred, thanks! | 12:27 |
| polar_flux | @gnarface : Thanks, I tried variations. I pasted into paste bin..with my name...do I just send? | 12:27 |
| fsmithred | deldenzen, I'm not certain if that is still good. If there have been kernel changes since Feb 2, it might not work. If that's the case, use the netinstall iso. | 12:29 |
| gnarface | polar_flux: please use paste.debian.net because there's no ads, and no, don't put your name in it | 12:29 |
| polar_flux | number 1187042. | 12:29 |
| polar_flux | My user name is on it | 12:29 |
| polar_flux | in the name field. | 12:29 |
| deldenzen | @fsmithred, i could just update the kernel after installing it right? | 12:30 |
| deldenzen | manually? | 12:30 |
| gnarface | polar_flux: you probably don't want to just leave backports uncommented while you're not using it, but i dont' see anything else obviously wrong with it.... must be something else | 12:32 |
| fsmithred | deldenzen, you won't get through the installation if kernel does not match modules | 12:32 |
| polar_flux | I enabled backports to try...I didn't expect a change because the error messages were referencing a branch which is not present at deb.devuan.org | 12:33 |
| gnarface | polar_flux: have you tried it a second time since then? just run "apt-get update" again? | 12:33 |
| fsmithred | It happens early, so you won't waste a whole lot of time. | 12:33 |
| deldenzen | no i mean install a newer kernel AFTER installing everything and rebooting | 12:33 |
| fsmithred | the kernel in the iso must match the modules in the repo or you won't complete the install. | 12:34 |
| fsmithred | it's only been a few weeks, so it should be good. | 12:34 |
| polar_flux | @gnarface: I tried with --fix-missing too. Thanks for your help. I will try to download some DEB packages. Then just use a different distro for the Xen host. | 12:35 |
| deldenzen | got it | 12:36 |
| gnarface | polar_flux: well, the package might be broken too, but it seems weird... i still suspect you have a different issue | 12:52 |
| gnarface | polar_flux: here's the IPs i get right now for deb.devuan.org: https://paste.debian.net/1187047/ | 12:53 |
| fsmithred | gnarface, I just gave him the package mirror list to select a different mirror | 12:54 |
| gnarface | oh ok | 12:54 |
| fsmithred | I see the package and aptitude says it would install it for me | 12:55 |
| polar_flux | @gnarface : got pointers from devuan-dev, relating to mirrors. They also pointed to a different directory with the package. Thanks again. | 12:56 |
| fsmithred | different directory? | 13:00 |
| polar_flux | @fsmithred : no worries. Different directory to which the error messages were pointing me. | 13:08 |
| fsmithred | polar_flux, can you get it now? | 13:09 |
| polar_flux | I will, but I've been at it since 02:30, and I can see sunlight outside. I'll get back onto it in the dark. | 13:11 |
| polar_flux | I'm on a different server. | 13:12 |
| polar_flux | They are proliants and they take their time to post. | 13:12 |
| polar_flux | I copied all the information. | 13:16 |
| eyalroz | Ok, peops... I've found the culprit for my audio output device switching to HDMI... | 18:33 |
| eyalroz | gnarf_08: In case you're interested... | 18:33 |
| eyalroz | There's a setting for this in /etc/pulse/default.pa | 18:33 |
| eyalroz | (which is textual, not binary...) | 18:33 |
| eyalroz | It's a pulseaudio module... load-module module-switch-on-port-available | 18:34 |
| fsmithred | eyalroz, did you change the line or did you comment it out? | 18:39 |
| eyalroz | fsmithred: Commented it out just now and reloaded. Actually, I still haven't verified this does the trick | 18:40 |
| eyalroz | but "AskUbuntu" says it should. | 18:40 |
| fsmithred | they are often right | 18:40 |
| eyalroz | I wonder if Devuan shouldn't, by default, have automatic default output audio device switching disabled. | 18:47 |
| fsmithred | what does it mean? | 18:48 |
| eyalroz | fsmithred: What does what mean? | 18:55 |
| eyalroz | I mean, that the configuration file should ship with that line disabled by default | 18:56 |
| eyalroz | Actually, I'm just writing the PA package maintainers suggests this. | 18:56 |
| fsmithred | what does it do? | 18:56 |
| fsmithred | and who does it do it to? | 18:56 |
| eyalroz | fsmithred: Just a second. | 18:56 |
| eyalroz | I'm writing this up and will paste a link. | 18:57 |
| fsmithred | cool, thanks | 18:57 |
| xinomilo | python3-libvirt 7.0.0 uploaded in ceres/sid, conflicts with libvirt0 6.7.0-3+devuan1 | 18:57 |
| xinomilo | just a note, don't know if a bug report is needed (?) | 18:58 |
| fsmithred | not sure if a bug report is needed, but that's the second one today | 19:00 |
| eyalroz | fsmithred: https://unix.stackexchange.com/q/636044/34868 | 19:00 |
| fsmithred | eyalroz, so the edit causes it not to switch if a new device becomes available | 19:03 |
| fsmithred | and it uses whatever device it used last | 19:03 |
| fsmithred | I assume | 19:03 |
| eyalroz | fsmithred: Yes, exactly. | 19:03 |
| fsmithred | so what if it never used a device before? | 19:03 |
| fsmithred | what does it do? | 19:03 |
| fsmithred | tricky to test that | 19:04 |
| eyalroz | fsmithred: 1. I don't know. 2. It will likely choose some arbitrary default, which is not qualitatively different than what it does now, as it sees multiple available devices when it starts up. | 19:04 |
| eyalroz | I realize that, on a laptopt, auto-switching may be quite useful, | 19:05 |
| fsmithred | I'm concerned that it may need you to tell it to pick an available device | 19:05 |
| fsmithred | if it doesn't already know | 19:05 |
| fsmithred | which would cause it to fail for everyone the first time | 19:05 |
| eyalroz | fsmithred: That's a reasonable concern. Although even if you don't need to tell it that, it might still be "failing" by choosing something invalid. | 19:06 |
| eyalroz | I've just written pkg-pulseaudio-devel@lists.alioth.debian.org about this. | 19:07 |
| fsmithred | I'm going to save the link and content of | 19:07 |
| fsmithred | oh, good. | 19:07 |
| fsmithred | They probably know the answer. | 19:07 |
| eyalroz | I wonder if it's possible to create exceptions to the default-device-switching | 19:07 |
| fsmithred | at the very least this info will get onto the forum and future wiki and maybe future release notes | 19:08 |
| fsmithred | a little checkbox would be nice | 19:08 |
| eyalroz | By the way - when I restarted pulseaudio, it arbitrary chose some device - which wasn't the last device I had selected, | 19:08 |
| fsmithred | so it's still doing the same thing, or different now? | 19:09 |
| eyalroz | fsmithred: I still don't know. I'll need to reboot to be 100% sure. | 19:10 |
| fsmithred | ok | 19:10 |
| eyalroz | a little checkbox would be nice <- You mean in pavucontrol? Yes, but I'd want this choice during the package configuration on installation | 19:10 |
| fsmithred | :) | 19:11 |
| scoofy | so... here is how a typical system restart scenario plays out in systemd-linux: | 20:07 |
| scoofy | '$ reboot now'. system hangs after some time, black screen. | 20:07 |
| scoofy | press ctr-alt-del. message appears, waiting for zramswap, timeout: [0/35s] | 20:07 |
| scoofy | waited the timeout. then new timeout appears: [0 / 2min 5s] | 20:08 |
| scoofy | ctrl-alt-del restarts the timer. so start pressing ctrl-alt-del like crazy | 20:08 |
| scoofy | warning message appears: "you have pressed ctrl-alt-del more than 7 times in 2 seconds. forcing reboot" | 20:09 |
| scoofy | system still hangs. unresponsive. unplug device from socket | 20:09 |
| scoofy | plug device back in. congracts. you have sucessfully rebooted. | 20:09 |
| scoofy | the fact that "ctrl-alt-del more than 7 times in 2 seconds" is a special command means that the devs thought you'll at some point start pressing ctrl-alt-del like crazy, and made that into a function. (that still failed tho) | 20:11 |
| scoofy | should have tried sysrq but there's no sysrq key on this mini keyboard | 20:13 |
| DHE | did you still have shell access? | 20:18 |
| scoofy | nope. ttys unresponsive | 20:20 |
| scoofy | no prompt, nothing | 20:21 |
| scoofy | i encountered bugs with zramswap earlier (i was testing that). made the reboot fail. | 20:22 |
| scoofy | albeit i was testing how much can i push zramswap to the limit. that crashes too (dunno if that a kernel bug or what) | 20:31 |
| scoofy | page file read errors (from zram) made the subsequent reboot fail | 20:32 |
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