libera/#devuan/ Thursday, 2021-03-11

HumanG33khumm00:10
HumanG33ki have some message about renaming file in rc.d00:11
HumanG33k rename rc0.d/{K01eudev => K10eudev} (100%)00:11
HumanG33k rename rc6.d/{K01eudev => K10eudev} (100%)00:11
HumanG33k rename rcS.d/{S14apparmor => K14apparmor} (100%)00:11
HumanG33k rename rcS.d/{S14ufw => K14ufw} (100%)00:11
HumanG33k delete mode 120000 systemd/system/multi-user.target.wants/ufw.service00:11
HumanG33k delete mode 120000 systemd/system/sysinit.target.wants/apparmor.service00:11
HumanG33ksome are maybe come from thefact the rescue is a debian uso00:12
onefangTenkawa: sadsnork: I am on the mirror team, bu I only just woke up.  You and xinomilo where chatting about package mirror stuff while I slept.00:25
* onefang keeps catching up, was a busy night. lol00:26
sadsnorkHey onefang, I think I got my questions answered but am still open to input on whether a mirror with "1 CPU, 512MB mem, 100GB disk, 100Mbit NIC" in Canada would be sufficient and/or helpful to the project.00:29
sadsnorkI also tried to (following the mirror walkthrough document) sign up for the announcement and mirror mailing lists at dyne but for an error message and was wondering if those mailing lists are still functional.00:30
sadsnorks/for an/got an/00:30
onefangSoooo while I slept there was what looked like hours of off topic conversation that I just skipped.  No idea if there was anything on topic in there that I needed to see.  This is why we have #devuan_offtopic, so those of us trying to help don't have to wade through hours of crap when we wake up.  This is a Devuan support channel.00:34
onefangsadsnork: A mirror in Canada would be great.  I haven't tried anything that small for a while, but it might work fine.  Worth trying, then we will know.00:38
* onefang wanders off to do morning stuff. I'll be less grumpy with some brekky in me. lol00:40
sadsnorkAwesome, thanks onefang... I'm waiting to hear back with some pricing and will see what I can accomplish. :-)00:44
HumanG33kTenkawa, gnarface dpkg: warning: package not in status nor available database at for a set-selection00:54
gnarfaceHumanG33k: i would *really* not recommend using a debian rescue cd on a devuan install00:56
HumanG33kdevuan is not provide by the hoster maybe i can setup a network boot00:57
HumanG33ki m on the chroot00:58
HumanG33kand a search with apt find packages00:59
tuxd3vHumanG33k, can't you point a netinstall image to start the vm?01:00
HumanG33kmaybe i never did that before01:01
tuxd3vwhat options does you have?01:01
tuxd3vhave you some option to boot the system in the interface?01:02
gnarfacetragic situation01:03
gnarfaceyou should call them and ask them to add devuan01:03
gnarfacemaybe they'll be nice01:03
HumanG33ki have harddrive, network with their kernel and i can set /  and rescue01:04
HumanG33kthey just have one of their datacenter is now in real cloud pretty sure their team do somethings more important01:04
tuxd3vyou can control the hard drive , like create a small partition on it?01:05
tuxd3vWha is that option to set/rescue the system?01:05
tuxd3vif you use set/resuce options, you can set the harddrive to start?01:07
tuxd3vmaybe a netinstall option..01:09
tuxd3vthe data you have on that vm is important?01:10
HumanG33kyes they are01:10
HumanG33kwith rescue i m on debian system with access to the hhd01:11
tuxd3vyou have access to ssh on that machine?01:12
HumanG33kon the rescue yes01:12
tuxd3von the rescue, you can mount your vm partition?01:12
HumanG33kyes01:12
tuxd3vnice01:13
HumanG33ki currently in a chroot01:13
HumanG33kssh -> rescue -> chroot01:13
tuxd3vthe information you have that is important, is self contained in some place?01:14
tuxd3vI mean if its something like a file or a directory01:15
tuxd3vor a tarball :)01:15
tuxd3vyou can get that info out to your own Machine01:15
tuxd3vmaybe, if its self contained in some specific places..01:15
onefangI do debootstrap installs on remote machines for this sort of thing.  Needs a small extra partition though.01:16
HumanG33ki know i can rsync or similar i know but it not explain WHY i not like not understand01:17
HumanG33kfor what i debug for now01:18
HumanG33kthe boot work and go to login screen but network look not working (no ping) and no log entry01:19
tuxd3vand you can login in that machine?I mean in your VM01:20
HumanG33ki can t without network i know it because i receive a message saying the display is the login 'screen'01:22
tuxd3vand in your control panel or so, you don't have information regarding to the ethernet virtual interface?01:23
HumanG33knothing01:24
HumanG33kusefull01:24
tuxd3vso, you have storage access via Rescue Option, and a login screen that stops right there on the VM.. apparently because network fail..01:25
HumanG33ki can not be sure it s network it self or something else01:26
tuxd3vI believe that you already mounted the VM, and went to '/etc/network/interfaces' and check if everything is ok01:26
tuxd3valso that you saw '/etc/resolv.conf'01:26
HumanG33kyes01:26
tuxd3vand also '/etc/hosts'01:27
tuxd3vwhat is the VM OS version?01:27
HumanG33kbeowulf01:28
tuxd3vso its Devuan Stable nice :)01:28
tuxd3vyou have IPtables, firewall set on that VM?01:29
HumanG33ki will never install a testing for a production stuff01:29
tuxd3v:)01:29
HumanG33kif i do that i should install arch \0/01:30
HumanG33ki update-rc.d ufw disable01:30
tuxd3vthat could be why you can't access..01:32
tuxd3vbut you could try to go around that with for example a netcat session created from the inside of the VM, in client mode, and opening a netcat session on your rescue machine01:34
tuxd3vin server mode01:35
tuxd3vand sending something when the VM goes up, in that way you can sort out the Firewall01:35
tuxd3vsince the conection is made from inside the VM to the rescue system :)01:35
tuxd3vor you can only start one at a time?01:36
tuxd3vand not both?01:36
tuxd3vusing '/etc/rc.local' to put your client netcat session, that will start on boot01:36
tuxd3vin the vm01:36
tuxd3vonly a test to sort out firewall problem..01:37
systemdleteI am noticing a phenomenon on devuan, but I am not blaming *anything*.  At this point, I am only trying to ascertain what might be going on, and if others have noticed also.01:50
systemdleteMy VMs go into a weird sort of hang that can last 40 minutes or so.  The guest is not frozen, and once the guest comes back, everything is fine again.  I can get a console, though it will be dreadfully slow, so I can logon and try to kill off likely suspects like ff and tbird using killall.   This usually helps and brings the guest back.01:51
systemdleteNow, it could be vbox but I noticed that when this happens, the host (running devuan beowulf)'s logs show that btrfs filesystems are doing some kind of procedure.   Once the host is done, that seems to be around the time that things return to normal (along with killing off the slowpokes).01:53
MinceRit's probably a bad idea to use btrfs on any distro01:54
systemdleteIt could be vbox, which has a plethora of corner issues, but this seems too coincidental w/r/t btrfs01:54
systemdleteMinceR?01:54
systemdleteseriously?01:54
TenkawaMinceR: I'm using btrfs on many machines just fine01:54
onefangBTRFS is a really bad idea for hosting VM images.01:54
systemdleteI thought btrfs was the end-all, be-all for linux file systems.  It was recommended very highly, and I was encouraged to migrate to it.01:54
MinceRbtrfs worked really badly for me01:55
systemdleteah, onefang!01:55
MinceRand it was already declared "stable"01:55
Tenkawagranted mine are all physical and flash media/solid state based01:55
onefangSays so on the BTRFS wiki.01:55
MinceRmy fs died in a week or two01:55
systemdleteonefang:  I guess I need to do more reading...01:55
systemdletethanks for the heads up.01:55
Tenkawawhere does it say anything other than fragmentation related to VM images?01:57
Tenkawaand thats buried deep in a subpage01:57
systemdletewhich wiki are we talking about onefang?  Wikipedia, or the btrfs project's wiki?01:59
onefangI know I read that somewhere many years ago.  I think the problem is a copy-on-write file system is gonna have issues with large files that get tiny bits written to often.  Same issue with some databases running on BTRFS.01:59
* tuxd3v doesn't like btrfs, life is already full off adventures..01:59
* Tenkawa is reading btrfs's wiki01:59
systemdletelink?01:59
onefangI eventually gave up on BTRFS, but I used to love it.  lol02:00
Tenkawahttps://btrfs.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/Main_Page02:00
onefangsystemdlete: I said "the BTRFS wiki".02:00
systemdleteI took that to be synonymous in meaning with "btrfs wiki page"02:01
systemdletesorry.02:01
onefangNo worries.02:01
Tenkawaonefang: it doesnt reference anything about "VM images are bad" on that wiki02:01
* onefang goes back to catching up with emails. I might manage to get all my "first thing in the morning" tasks completed before noon. lol02:02
systemdletewikipedia's btrfs page does mention the potential issue for VMs, but notes that btrfs takes care to address that02:02
onefangThey might have fixed it in the years since.02:02
systemdleteTenkawa:  subpage?02:02
Tenkawasystemdlete: I have at least 7 arm64 machines running it right now and they all run great02:03
MinceRwhat i found is that it says that CoW causes fragmentation in heavily updated-in-place files02:03
MinceRbut apparently you can now turn CoW off for certain files (?)02:03
MinceRhttps://btrfs.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/SysadminGuide#Copy_on_Write_.28CoW.2902:03
systemdleteThat might not be desirable for VM images?02:03
Tenkawasystemdlete: use the search top left of page02:03
Tenkawait has full text search of articles02:04
systemdleteAnother thing is that vbox's vdisks might operate differently than kvm's.02:04
TenkawaI've even broke off a few mirrors and replicated them with a pi 4 and they ran really nicely02:04
systemdleteDepending on which virtualization platform each of us uses, maybe the results with btrfs could vary?02:05
Tenkawavbox has a horrible disk driver compared to kvm02:05
systemdletevbox is terrible altogether I know.02:05
Tenkawamuch higher overhead02:05
systemdleteI've been considering moving to kvm, but I am unhappy with how many bridges it creates (at least when using libvirt, and maybe that's the issue)02:06
Tenkawadid you know vmware is making a product no w02:06
systemdleteI like vbox's internal interfaces02:06
Tenkawaits in beta02:06
Tenkawacalled fling02:06
Tenkawaruns on the pi 402:07
systemdletewhat is the diff between vmware and fling02:07
systemdlete?02:07
Tenkawaarm64 based02:07
Tenkawalol02:07
TenkawaI use a lot of architectures02:07
systemdleteAh, SSD support not available in vmware02:07
tuxd3vHumanG33k, in the chroot, or with the VM mounted somewere in the rescue image run this:'find /etc/rc?.d -name \*ufw\* -type l -exec ls -l {} \;'02:08
onefangKVM is a virtualization kernel module that many VM systems use.  You might mean qemu, but Debian screwed with the package names to make that confusing.  I think vbox uses KVM to.  I tend to use qemu, and gave up using libvirt.02:08
Tenkawano. virtualbox does not use kvm02:09
Tenkawakvm is built into the kernel02:09
Tenkawavirtualbox has 3rd party modules02:09
tuxd3vonefang, I believe libvirt uses quemu virtual devices to start the peripherics..02:09
systemdleteboth wrong!   vbox has its own virt method, but also supports kvm, which is what I use02:10
tuxd3vor better KVM uses libvirt :)02:10
systemdleteno, libvirt uses kvm I think02:10
tuxd3vno KVM uses libvirt02:10
systemdletekvm is a kernel driver.  A kernel driver uses userland software?02:11
systemdletewhen I run vbox here, I don't have libvirt installed even though I use kvm!02:11
tuxd3vKVM as concept not as a specific peace of software02:11
onefanghttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kernel-based_Virtual_Machine02:11
systemdleteOK, so kvm kernel driver + libvirt = KVM concept02:12
TenkawaLibvirt is a C toolkit to interact with the virtualization capabilities02:12
Tenkawa of recent versions of Linux (and other OSes). The library aims at providing02:12
Tenkawa a long term stable C API for different virtualization mechanisms. It currently02:12
Tenkawa supports QEMU, KVM, XEN, OpenVZ, LXC, and VirtualBox.02:12
Tenkawathats what libvort is02:13
Tenkawaert libvirt02:13
Tenkawastraight from the libvirt0 pkg02:13
tuxd3vyes, and KVM virtualization uses it02:13
Tenkawatuxd3v: exactly..02:14
systemdletelibvert is also a linux package containing libraries and such.02:14
Tenkawano02:14
Tenkawalibvirt-bin is02:14
systemdletewhatever...02:14
systemdleteI think the point is that vbox does not use any of this except for the kernel support.  The rest is their own brew.02:15
onefangI think you'll find it's the other way around, libvirt uses KVM.02:15
tuxd3vsystemdlete, + quemu02:15
Tenkawalibvirt-daemon02:15
Tenkawa This package contains the libvirt shell virsh and other client binaries.02:15
systemdletethat too, yes02:15
tuxd3vbecause you need the virtualization devices for KVM :)02:15
tuxd3vnetwork, harddrives, sound cards, etc02:15
TenkawaKVM comes from the host02:16
Tenkawazcat /proc/config.gz | grep KVM02:16
TenkawaCONFIG_KVM_GUEST=y02:16
TenkawaCONFIG_HAVE_KVM=y02:16
HumanG33ktuxd3v, ufw in rcS and rc102:16
Tenkawa(only pasted a few lines)02:16
tuxd3vonefang, yes if you look that kvm as a pieace of software02:17
tuxd3v:)02:17
tuxd3vBut if you look at it as a concept of global system for Virtualization, its KVM concept that uses libvirt02:17
onefangI'm not talking about Keyboard Video Mouse switches here.  lol02:17
Tenkawayou have to have kernel support to interface with hw support.. then use userland tools (libvirt)02:18
tuxd3vbut yeah ofcourse the libvirt userspace library is conected to the kernel space kvm driver..02:18
HumanG33kK14 prefix so before network S15 i guess ?02:18
onefangKVM is the kernel module.  You can use it fine without libvirt installed.02:18
Tenkawa(or build them by hand qemu-syste, cam talk to kvm directly02:18
Tenkawaqemu-system02:18
Tenkawaonefang: yep02:19
HumanG33ki have K14 apparmor and ufw02:19
tuxd3vHumanG33k, K14 means kill at 14 position02:19
Tenkawawe build images that way02:19
tuxd3vHumanG33k, check if you have SXX links for ufw02:19
Tenkawa(have a arm host builder and thats how we build the images.. )02:19
onefangI've said the same thing several times already.  Argue amongst yourselves about it.  lol02:19
HumanG33ktuxd3v, are they not exec by name ?02:20
HumanG33kno SXXufw02:20
HumanG33konly KXX02:20
tuxd3vHumanG33k, the system look at it, if it starts by K, mean Kill, if it starts by S mean start02:20
HumanG33kok02:21
tuxd3vHumanG33k, that is good and shows that ufw is not started at boot, unless you are starting it in '/etc/rc.local'02:21
HumanG33kno02:23
tuxd3vcheck if network starts at boot: 'find /etc/rc?.d -name \*network\* -type l -exec ls -l {} \;'02:24
HumanG33k2 K in rc0 and 6 and one /etc/rcS.d/S15networking -> ../init.d/networking02:25
tuxd3vI also have a start at rcS.d02:26
HumanG33khumm maybe we find it02:26
tuxd3vHumanG33k, you are using the networkmanager?02:26
tuxd3vor only configuring via '/etc/network/interfaces'02:27
HumanG33konly '/etc/network/interfaces'02:27
tuxd3vyour interfaces file have something special, I mean something that for example can restore iptables, or so?02:28
tuxd3vvia a post-up command?02:29
tuxd3vor is trivial static network config02:29
tuxd3valso check if you have any network udev rules, that can change network interface name, and then its not the same name as in 'interfaces' file02:31
tuxd3vonefang, yeah 2 diferent ways of saying the same thing :)02:33
tuxd3vHumanG33k, 'ls -l /etc/udev/rules.d'02:34
tuxd3vpost results here: https://paste.debian.net/02:35
tuxd3vHumanG33k, I would like to see your interfaces file :)02:39
tuxd3vif you don't want the ip to be shown scrap it out ;)02:39
HumanG33k70-persistent-net.rules02:44
HumanG33konly for udev02:44
tuxd3vHumanG33k, the names there match the ones in '/etc/network/interfaces'?02:44
HumanG33keth0 yes02:46
HumanG33kand for the interfaces i didn t touch it and it match rescue network conf02:48
tuxd3vthe rescue image is also eth0?02:49
tuxd3vso you are not running nothing in the interfaces file other than the interface config..02:51
tuxd3vit can be that the interface name changes, in the boot time, and the system doesn't manage to bring the correct inerface up..02:53
Tenkawamake sure nothing is in /etc/network/interfaces.d too02:53
tuxd3vTenkawa, is also right02:53
tuxd3vHumanG33k, do a cat of your '70-persistent-net.rules'02:54
Tenkawatuxd3v: thinking udev might be hanging on to it?i02:55
Tenkawaor "not" picking it up02:55
HumanG33kon my vm for get default packaqe list the reboot go on maintenance ctrl+d prompt02:56
tuxd3vbecause its a VM , smetimes the maccaddress changes, and the udev rule that you so much praise, is gone, and so, the network interface has another name02:56
HumanG33kok02:56
HumanG33knothing strange fo the 70 rules02:56
tuxd3vand if it has anothername than the one configured in '/etc/network/interfaces', the network will be down..02:57
tuxd3vcan you show the rule?02:57
tuxd3vor if not02:57
tuxd3vmake sure that the maccaddress in the udev rule is the same as interface..02:58
tuxd3vgo to '/etc/network/interfaces', and force there the same mac address02:58
fsmithredor delete 70-persistent-net.rules every time02:59
HumanG33khttps://paste.debian.net/1188790/02:59
tuxd3vATTR{address}=="hwmacaddress"03:01
HumanG33ki change it03:01
tuxd3vso now go to '/etc/network/interfaces'03:01
tuxd3vand add a line03:01
HumanG33khwaddress ether blabla03:01
tuxd3vhwaddress ether hwmacaddress03:02
tuxd3vthats it :)03:02
tuxd3vyou know :)03:02
tuxd3vsometimes the interface mac changes..03:02
tuxd3vit could be03:03
tuxd3vits a shot03:03
tuxd3vHumanG33k, does it managed to boot?03:10
tuxd3vanother thing, soes you have access to the grub default menu at boot?03:10
tuxd3vif you have the problem is solved :)03:10
tuxd3vI forgot to tell you that , sorry :(03:10
HumanG33ki did have issue with grub (grub) but i manage it with update-grub2 stuff03:13
HumanG33kbut from the chroot03:13
HumanG33klook like it do not work but maybe it take time03:14
tuxd3vwhen the system starts to boot does you see the grub menu to choose what os you want to boot?03:15
tuxd3vok wait a bit :)03:15
HumanG33khumm not pingable03:20
HumanG33ka tech will check in the next 30 min03:20
HumanG33ki will go sleep03:21
tuxd3vone option if its availlable would be to edit the botting command line03:21
tuxd3vstart the vm in sigle usermode03:21
tuxd3vand then change what you need too03:21
tuxd3vbut I don't know if you have access to the grub or not..03:21
HumanG33ki have not real acces03:22
HumanG33kno ssh before boot step03:22
HumanG33kby the way thx for the help03:22
tuxd3vso you don't have a console to choose what OS to boot..03:23
HumanG33knope03:23
tuxd3vyeah that would awesome :)03:23
HumanG33kit's a web ui03:23
tuxd3vno problem, you welcome, sorry for not being able to help :)03:23
tuxd3vyeah :)03:24
HumanG33kthx again03:24
tuxd3vnp03:25
fonxtadeluxegood morning everyone05:21
fonxtadeluxeis there any graphical tool for rc.x (1-6) instead of renaming S -> K05:21
fonxtadeluxefor starting up stuff05:21
lts-fonxtadeluxe: I use sysv-rc-conf if cli is graphical enough https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-2iyTzW5UvMY/T1yH79qw19I/AAAAAAAAC1Y/VLZ1BbThbVM/s0/sysvrcconf.png05:44
onefangsysv-rc-conf is what I use for that.05:44
fonxtadeluxewhoa nice05:55
MinceRthere was a gui tool called bum (boot-up manager), but i'm not sure if it's still around06:14
tuxd3vWe cannot redistribute the firmware directly in linux-firmware because NVIDIA's license forbids redistribution of parts of their driver.08:52
tuxd3vdamm..08:52
krntznvidia.. windows users the lot of them.08:54
krntzI may just jump ship from nvidia soon08:56
HumanG33khello friends13:30
HumanG33kfor my troubles i have some news13:35
HumanG33klook like grub/kernel involve13:35
HumanG33k(Failed to boot both default and fallback entries.)13:36
HumanG33kwhen i update-grub i have  WARNING: Device /dev/sda1 not initialized in udev database even after waiting 10000000 microseconds. and other15:54
HumanG33kany clue about it ?15:54
masonHumanG33k: Matches this: https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=24259416:00
masonHumanG33k: That might be a new thing to add to chrooted binds.16:01
seamonk5hey16:32
seamonk5clear16:32
seamonk5i am noob16:33
seamonk5Can u get virtualbox on devuan?16:34
seamonk5https://brave.com/linux/#linux16:36
fsmithredHumanG33k, if it's not /run/lvm it might be /run/udev or possibly edit lvm.conf to get udev out of the picture: https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?id=337216:36
fsmithredseamonk5, for vbox, devuan is same as debian16:37
seamonk5thx for clarifying16:38
tuxd3vHumanG33k, vgchange -ay16:40
tuxd3vmaybe your vg changed during the operation someone have done on the vm..16:40
tuxd3vthen again try update-grub216:40
HumanG33ki currently not use lvm or stuff like that the server is old and weak16:42
seamonk5what if i edited the sources.list to download the debian version of virtualbox would that be worse than just downloading the package file16:43
HumanG33kjust partition16:43
fsmithredseamonk5, if debian has a version of vbox, then it's accessible through devuan repos16:50
fsmithredmaybe you need to add contrib and non-free?16:50
seamonk5I did in my sources.list16:51
fsmithredor maybe you're running a suite that doesn't have vbox. (beowulf, I think)16:51
seamonk5chimaera16:51
fsmithredno, but it's in ceres16:52
fsmithreddoes debian have it in bullseye?16:52
xinomilonope, just sid16:53
fsmithredok, good.16:53
fsmithredI was worried it might be banned, but I guess not16:53
seamonk5i see they recommend virt-manager instead16:54
fsmithredI tried that and couldn't figure it out16:54
fsmithredusing plain qemu now16:54
fsmithredthere's also aqemu for a graphical frontend16:54
xinomilovirt-manager is easy really. best virt gui, imho.16:54
HumanG33ktuxd3v, do you know if the udev package is needed for a working boot process ?16:55
fsmithredyou don't want to remove udev/eudev16:55
fsmithredunless you replace it with something else. vdev is a possibility, but I don't think it's in the repo16:55
HumanG33kit can prevent wrong network eth renaming16:55
fsmithredyou should be able to control the naming in the boot command if necessary16:58
fsmithredHumanG33k, by 'wrong naming' do you mean old interface names vs. new names?17:00
fsmithredor do you mean eth0, eth1 etc.?17:00
HumanG33kyes17:00
fsmithrednet.ifnames=1 in boot command shold give you the new names17:00
fsmithredold names should be default17:01
fsmithredwhat are you getting?17:01
Tenkawame likes his old style net.ifnames=0 :)17:02
Tenkawapredictable names are as annoying as guids17:03
fsmithredyup. most of us here like the old names17:03
fsmithredThey are predictable by opening the box and looking at which slots are occupied.17:03
Tenkawalol17:03
Tenkawanice17:03
Tenkawafsmithred: my local isp recently put up on ipv6 and I'm like omg....17:04
Tenkawaits just ugly to look at my routing table17:04
fsmithredfor a live-usb with persistence, the new names work better because you don't get the ethN to iterate every time it sees a new interface17:04
Tenkawaer up/us17:05
seamonk5are there isps still using iPv417:09
fsmithredcharter/spectrum17:11
fsmithredfor one17:11
masonseamonk5: Most in the US still.17:11
xinomiloare there isps offering ipv6?17:12
xinomilo:P17:13
masonxinomilo: I think Comcast is rolling it out to residential customers.17:13
xinomilowhat's comcast?17:13
xinomiloi'm in eu17:13
seamonk5anyone here familiar with ESNI and ECH in firefox17:14
masonxinomilo: Nationwide cable provider.17:14
Tenkawahardly anyone over here uses ipv6 yet17:16
Tenkawa(exclusively anyway)17:16
Tenkawathe rollout has been ugly17:17
walexTenkawa: actually IPv6 usage is rising a lot, and it is quite common in China-mainland, especially mobile networks.17:19
seamonk5crypto mining17:20
walexTenkawa: https://www.google.com/intl/en/ipv6/statistics.html reports over 30% of traffic Google sees is IPv617:21
Tenkawawalex: yeah I know it is in the rest of the world17:21
Tenkawahere in te USA its been a mess17:22
Tenkawaer the17:22
walexthe chinese problem is that there are hundreds of millions of cellphones connected to the network, and even 10.0.0.0/8 can't cope with that.17:22
Tenkawabecause of the state of our telcos17:22
Tenkawaand lack of cooperation17:22
xinomilohttps://www.worldipv6launch.org/measurements/17:23
walexyes, that is interesting too. Other statistics here: https://www.internetsociety.org/deploy360/ipv6/statistics/17:23
walexfor example this map: https://stats.labs.apnic.net/ipv617:24
Tenkawahey I'm shocked. AT&T has finally been proactive17:24
seamonk5I remember AT&T had DSL for the longest time but I'm glad that's no longer the case17:25
walexTenkawa: the problem is not so much telecoms, they have eventually spent the money to do a low IPv6 rollout, it is that customers in tzhe USA and Europe have grabbed so many IPv4 addresses in the early decades of the Internet that they don't need IPv6 as much as China (or India).17:26
Tenkawaseamonk5: I went straight from ISDN to cable with them lol17:26
Tenkawawalex: no.. we definitely have telecom issues.. I worked in the industry17:27
Tenkawacase in point.. AT&T17:28
Tenkawalook what happened to them 25 years ago17:28
Tenkawawith Bell/Lucent/th Break up17:28
TenkawaI was there17:28
Tenkawait was not pretty17:28
xinomilogafami cabal probably hold more ips than the whole african continent.. (i guess, haven't checked)..17:29
Tenkawaxinomilo: I wonder.. China oviously has a huge need... How about Japan for subnets?17:29
Tenkawai would think a major need17:30
tuxd3vHumanG33k, yes it is, the very first think is to populate the mknods in /dev18:37
tuxd3vwhen the system comes up18:38
HumanG33ktheir is a way to get a rapport with list all services and their state enable or not start or not ?19:32
TenkawaHumanG33k: is this what you are looking for?19:42
Tenkawasudo service --status-all19:43
Tenkawathat will at least show you started/stopped/not handled with status19:44
HumanG33kit will do the job19:49
HumanG33ki m in a chroot for now but do you see something wrong https://paste.debian.net/1188906/?19:49
Tenkawais that for the main machine or for the chroot?19:50
Tenkawathats a really small list if its the main machine... if its the chroot some odd ones are running (mcelog, irqbalance)19:52
Tenkawathats the machine check and irqbalance daemons19:52
Tenkawanot sure why it would be presenting them to the chroot19:52
Tenkawaunless you have /proc showing up perhaps19:52
Tenkawabut otherwise yeah for the chroot yeah it seems ok unless you are "specificly" missing something that should be running19:53
HumanG33klook it start now20:27
HumanG33ki reinstall reconfigure kernel strange20:28
HumanG33kanyway it's working20:28
HumanG33kis resolvconf mandatory ?20:28
Tenkawathats what defines your nameservers20:30
Tenkawayou can remove it and build a static /etc/resolv,conf file20:30
Tenkawaer /etc/resolv.conf20:30
TenkawaI dont use it20:31
TenkawaI like the standard non resolvconf way20:31
Tenkawayou might be using openresolv though so if so you'll need to make sure the file is put back in20:33
HumanG33kTenkawa, you mean in interfaces file ?20:39
Tenkawano20:39
Tenkawa/etc/resolv.conf20:39
Tenkawathats what defines your nameserver lookup20:40
Tenkawaand domain search order20:40
Tenkawaopenresolv is a utility that builds it from resolvconf which gets the info from dhcp20:41
Tenkawaif you want to just create it yourself you define it that way20:42
Tenkawayour chroot will need a /etc/resolv.conf file with a nameserver line for dns lookups to succeed20:43
HumanG33ki m not anymore in the chroot but dns resolution was Ko20:44
Tenkawacool20:45
x_Could not find /etc/lsb-release file, cannot continue !?20:45
Tenkawax_: do you have the lsb-relese pkg installed?20:46
Tenkawaer lsb-release20:46
Tenkawadpkg -l | grep lsb-release20:46
Tenkawaii  lsb-release                         11.1.0                             all          Linux Standard Base version reporting utility20:46
x_lsb-release is already the newest version (10.2019051400).20:48
Tenkawaintriguing20:48
Tenkawaoh..20:48
TenkawaI vaguely remember this20:49
Tenkawalet me search real quick20:49
Tenkawaoh that "is" ugly20:50
Tenkawaare upi doing an upgrade?20:50
Tenkawaer you20:50
x_installed devuan 3.1 than upgrade packages from mxlinux from mxrepo20:52
Tenkawayeah... I dont think you can do that20:52
TenkawaI think it overwrote some system packages20:53
Tenkawado not quote me though20:53
Tenkawado you still have the apt-get list that it upgraded/20:54
Tenkawaer ?20:54
x_i add mx.list20:55
x_deb http://mxrepo.com/mx/repo/ buster main non-free20:56
Tenkawaright but when you ran apt-get upgrade/dist-upgrade it tells you what its upgrading20:56
Tenkawaor did you do it through the gui?20:57
x_from term20:58
Tenkawaright.. it shouldve given you a list of what it was updating20:58
Tenkawaand installing20:58
x_now i tried to make mx-snapshot and gives the lsb-release error and stops20:59
x_installed some packages from mx21:00
x_what about copy the lsb-release file from another place and modify it?21:01
Tenkawathat could potentially work21:01
x_now mx-snapshot works with an unmodified lsb-release copied from mx. thank you21:08

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