HumanG33k | humm | 00:10 |
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HumanG33k | i have some message about renaming file in rc.d | 00:11 |
HumanG33k | rename rc0.d/{K01eudev => K10eudev} (100%) | 00:11 |
HumanG33k | rename rc6.d/{K01eudev => K10eudev} (100%) | 00:11 |
HumanG33k | rename rcS.d/{S14apparmor => K14apparmor} (100%) | 00:11 |
HumanG33k | rename rcS.d/{S14ufw => K14ufw} (100%) | 00:11 |
HumanG33k | delete mode 120000 systemd/system/multi-user.target.wants/ufw.service | 00:11 |
HumanG33k | delete mode 120000 systemd/system/sysinit.target.wants/apparmor.service | 00:11 |
HumanG33k | some are maybe come from thefact the rescue is a debian uso | 00:12 |
onefang | Tenkawa: sadsnork: I am on the mirror team, bu I only just woke up. You and xinomilo where chatting about package mirror stuff while I slept. | 00:25 |
* onefang keeps catching up, was a busy night. lol | 00:26 | |
sadsnork | Hey onefang, I think I got my questions answered but am still open to input on whether a mirror with "1 CPU, 512MB mem, 100GB disk, 100Mbit NIC" in Canada would be sufficient and/or helpful to the project. | 00:29 |
sadsnork | I also tried to (following the mirror walkthrough document) sign up for the announcement and mirror mailing lists at dyne but for an error message and was wondering if those mailing lists are still functional. | 00:30 |
sadsnork | s/for an/got an/ | 00:30 |
onefang | Soooo while I slept there was what looked like hours of off topic conversation that I just skipped. No idea if there was anything on topic in there that I needed to see. This is why we have #devuan_offtopic, so those of us trying to help don't have to wade through hours of crap when we wake up. This is a Devuan support channel. | 00:34 |
onefang | sadsnork: A mirror in Canada would be great. I haven't tried anything that small for a while, but it might work fine. Worth trying, then we will know. | 00:38 |
* onefang wanders off to do morning stuff. I'll be less grumpy with some brekky in me. lol | 00:40 | |
sadsnork | Awesome, thanks onefang... I'm waiting to hear back with some pricing and will see what I can accomplish. :-) | 00:44 |
HumanG33k | Tenkawa, gnarface dpkg: warning: package not in status nor available database at for a set-selection | 00:54 |
gnarface | HumanG33k: i would *really* not recommend using a debian rescue cd on a devuan install | 00:56 |
HumanG33k | devuan is not provide by the hoster maybe i can setup a network boot | 00:57 |
HumanG33k | i m on the chroot | 00:58 |
HumanG33k | and a search with apt find packages | 00:59 |
tuxd3v | HumanG33k, can't you point a netinstall image to start the vm? | 01:00 |
HumanG33k | maybe i never did that before | 01:01 |
tuxd3v | what options does you have? | 01:01 |
tuxd3v | have you some option to boot the system in the interface? | 01:02 |
gnarface | tragic situation | 01:03 |
gnarface | you should call them and ask them to add devuan | 01:03 |
gnarface | maybe they'll be nice | 01:03 |
HumanG33k | i have harddrive, network with their kernel and i can set / and rescue | 01:04 |
HumanG33k | they just have one of their datacenter is now in real cloud pretty sure their team do somethings more important | 01:04 |
tuxd3v | you can control the hard drive , like create a small partition on it? | 01:05 |
tuxd3v | Wha is that option to set/rescue the system? | 01:05 |
tuxd3v | if you use set/resuce options, you can set the harddrive to start? | 01:07 |
tuxd3v | maybe a netinstall option.. | 01:09 |
tuxd3v | the data you have on that vm is important? | 01:10 |
HumanG33k | yes they are | 01:10 |
HumanG33k | with rescue i m on debian system with access to the hhd | 01:11 |
tuxd3v | you have access to ssh on that machine? | 01:12 |
HumanG33k | on the rescue yes | 01:12 |
tuxd3v | on the rescue, you can mount your vm partition? | 01:12 |
HumanG33k | yes | 01:12 |
tuxd3v | nice | 01:13 |
HumanG33k | i currently in a chroot | 01:13 |
HumanG33k | ssh -> rescue -> chroot | 01:13 |
tuxd3v | the information you have that is important, is self contained in some place? | 01:14 |
tuxd3v | I mean if its something like a file or a directory | 01:15 |
tuxd3v | or a tarball :) | 01:15 |
tuxd3v | you can get that info out to your own Machine | 01:15 |
tuxd3v | maybe, if its self contained in some specific places.. | 01:15 |
onefang | I do debootstrap installs on remote machines for this sort of thing. Needs a small extra partition though. | 01:16 |
HumanG33k | i know i can rsync or similar i know but it not explain WHY i not like not understand | 01:17 |
HumanG33k | for what i debug for now | 01:18 |
HumanG33k | the boot work and go to login screen but network look not working (no ping) and no log entry | 01:19 |
tuxd3v | and you can login in that machine?I mean in your VM | 01:20 |
HumanG33k | i can t without network i know it because i receive a message saying the display is the login 'screen' | 01:22 |
tuxd3v | and in your control panel or so, you don't have information regarding to the ethernet virtual interface? | 01:23 |
HumanG33k | nothing | 01:24 |
HumanG33k | usefull | 01:24 |
tuxd3v | so, you have storage access via Rescue Option, and a login screen that stops right there on the VM.. apparently because network fail.. | 01:25 |
HumanG33k | i can not be sure it s network it self or something else | 01:26 |
tuxd3v | I believe that you already mounted the VM, and went to '/etc/network/interfaces' and check if everything is ok | 01:26 |
tuxd3v | also that you saw '/etc/resolv.conf' | 01:26 |
HumanG33k | yes | 01:26 |
tuxd3v | and also '/etc/hosts' | 01:27 |
tuxd3v | what is the VM OS version? | 01:27 |
HumanG33k | beowulf | 01:28 |
tuxd3v | so its Devuan Stable nice :) | 01:28 |
tuxd3v | you have IPtables, firewall set on that VM? | 01:29 |
HumanG33k | i will never install a testing for a production stuff | 01:29 |
tuxd3v | :) | 01:29 |
HumanG33k | if i do that i should install arch \0/ | 01:30 |
HumanG33k | i update-rc.d ufw disable | 01:30 |
tuxd3v | that could be why you can't access.. | 01:32 |
tuxd3v | but you could try to go around that with for example a netcat session created from the inside of the VM, in client mode, and opening a netcat session on your rescue machine | 01:34 |
tuxd3v | in server mode | 01:35 |
tuxd3v | and sending something when the VM goes up, in that way you can sort out the Firewall | 01:35 |
tuxd3v | since the conection is made from inside the VM to the rescue system :) | 01:35 |
tuxd3v | or you can only start one at a time? | 01:36 |
tuxd3v | and not both? | 01:36 |
tuxd3v | using '/etc/rc.local' to put your client netcat session, that will start on boot | 01:36 |
tuxd3v | in the vm | 01:36 |
tuxd3v | only a test to sort out firewall problem.. | 01:37 |
systemdlete | I am noticing a phenomenon on devuan, but I am not blaming *anything*. At this point, I am only trying to ascertain what might be going on, and if others have noticed also. | 01:50 |
systemdlete | My VMs go into a weird sort of hang that can last 40 minutes or so. The guest is not frozen, and once the guest comes back, everything is fine again. I can get a console, though it will be dreadfully slow, so I can logon and try to kill off likely suspects like ff and tbird using killall. This usually helps and brings the guest back. | 01:51 |
systemdlete | Now, it could be vbox but I noticed that when this happens, the host (running devuan beowulf)'s logs show that btrfs filesystems are doing some kind of procedure. Once the host is done, that seems to be around the time that things return to normal (along with killing off the slowpokes). | 01:53 |
MinceR | it's probably a bad idea to use btrfs on any distro | 01:54 |
systemdlete | It could be vbox, which has a plethora of corner issues, but this seems too coincidental w/r/t btrfs | 01:54 |
systemdlete | MinceR? | 01:54 |
systemdlete | seriously? | 01:54 |
Tenkawa | MinceR: I'm using btrfs on many machines just fine | 01:54 |
onefang | BTRFS is a really bad idea for hosting VM images. | 01:54 |
systemdlete | I thought btrfs was the end-all, be-all for linux file systems. It was recommended very highly, and I was encouraged to migrate to it. | 01:54 |
MinceR | btrfs worked really badly for me | 01:55 |
systemdlete | ah, onefang! | 01:55 |
MinceR | and it was already declared "stable" | 01:55 |
Tenkawa | granted mine are all physical and flash media/solid state based | 01:55 |
onefang | Says so on the BTRFS wiki. | 01:55 |
MinceR | my fs died in a week or two | 01:55 |
systemdlete | onefang: I guess I need to do more reading... | 01:55 |
systemdlete | thanks for the heads up. | 01:55 |
Tenkawa | where does it say anything other than fragmentation related to VM images? | 01:57 |
Tenkawa | and thats buried deep in a subpage | 01:57 |
systemdlete | which wiki are we talking about onefang? Wikipedia, or the btrfs project's wiki? | 01:59 |
onefang | I know I read that somewhere many years ago. I think the problem is a copy-on-write file system is gonna have issues with large files that get tiny bits written to often. Same issue with some databases running on BTRFS. | 01:59 |
* tuxd3v doesn't like btrfs, life is already full off adventures.. | 01:59 | |
* Tenkawa is reading btrfs's wiki | 01:59 | |
systemdlete | link? | 01:59 |
onefang | I eventually gave up on BTRFS, but I used to love it. lol | 02:00 |
Tenkawa | https://btrfs.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/Main_Page | 02:00 |
onefang | systemdlete: I said "the BTRFS wiki". | 02:00 |
systemdlete | I took that to be synonymous in meaning with "btrfs wiki page" | 02:01 |
systemdlete | sorry. | 02:01 |
onefang | No worries. | 02:01 |
Tenkawa | onefang: it doesnt reference anything about "VM images are bad" on that wiki | 02:01 |
* onefang goes back to catching up with emails. I might manage to get all my "first thing in the morning" tasks completed before noon. lol | 02:02 | |
systemdlete | wikipedia's btrfs page does mention the potential issue for VMs, but notes that btrfs takes care to address that | 02:02 |
onefang | They might have fixed it in the years since. | 02:02 |
systemdlete | Tenkawa: subpage? | 02:02 |
Tenkawa | systemdlete: I have at least 7 arm64 machines running it right now and they all run great | 02:03 |
MinceR | what i found is that it says that CoW causes fragmentation in heavily updated-in-place files | 02:03 |
MinceR | but apparently you can now turn CoW off for certain files (?) | 02:03 |
MinceR | https://btrfs.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/SysadminGuide#Copy_on_Write_.28CoW.29 | 02:03 |
systemdlete | That might not be desirable for VM images? | 02:03 |
Tenkawa | systemdlete: use the search top left of page | 02:03 |
Tenkawa | it has full text search of articles | 02:04 |
systemdlete | Another thing is that vbox's vdisks might operate differently than kvm's. | 02:04 |
Tenkawa | I've even broke off a few mirrors and replicated them with a pi 4 and they ran really nicely | 02:04 |
systemdlete | Depending on which virtualization platform each of us uses, maybe the results with btrfs could vary? | 02:05 |
Tenkawa | vbox has a horrible disk driver compared to kvm | 02:05 |
systemdlete | vbox is terrible altogether I know. | 02:05 |
Tenkawa | much higher overhead | 02:05 |
systemdlete | I've been considering moving to kvm, but I am unhappy with how many bridges it creates (at least when using libvirt, and maybe that's the issue) | 02:06 |
Tenkawa | did you know vmware is making a product no w | 02:06 |
systemdlete | I like vbox's internal interfaces | 02:06 |
Tenkawa | its in beta | 02:06 |
Tenkawa | called fling | 02:06 |
Tenkawa | runs on the pi 4 | 02:07 |
systemdlete | what is the diff between vmware and fling | 02:07 |
systemdlete | ? | 02:07 |
Tenkawa | arm64 based | 02:07 |
Tenkawa | lol | 02:07 |
Tenkawa | I use a lot of architectures | 02:07 |
systemdlete | Ah, SSD support not available in vmware | 02:07 |
tuxd3v | HumanG33k, in the chroot, or with the VM mounted somewere in the rescue image run this:'find /etc/rc?.d -name \*ufw\* -type l -exec ls -l {} \;' | 02:08 |
onefang | KVM is a virtualization kernel module that many VM systems use. You might mean qemu, but Debian screwed with the package names to make that confusing. I think vbox uses KVM to. I tend to use qemu, and gave up using libvirt. | 02:08 |
Tenkawa | no. virtualbox does not use kvm | 02:09 |
Tenkawa | kvm is built into the kernel | 02:09 |
Tenkawa | virtualbox has 3rd party modules | 02:09 |
tuxd3v | onefang, I believe libvirt uses quemu virtual devices to start the peripherics.. | 02:09 |
systemdlete | both wrong! vbox has its own virt method, but also supports kvm, which is what I use | 02:10 |
tuxd3v | or better KVM uses libvirt :) | 02:10 |
systemdlete | no, libvirt uses kvm I think | 02:10 |
tuxd3v | no KVM uses libvirt | 02:10 |
systemdlete | kvm is a kernel driver. A kernel driver uses userland software? | 02:11 |
systemdlete | when I run vbox here, I don't have libvirt installed even though I use kvm! | 02:11 |
tuxd3v | KVM as concept not as a specific peace of software | 02:11 |
onefang | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kernel-based_Virtual_Machine | 02:11 |
systemdlete | OK, so kvm kernel driver + libvirt = KVM concept | 02:12 |
Tenkawa | Libvirt is a C toolkit to interact with the virtualization capabilities | 02:12 |
Tenkawa | of recent versions of Linux (and other OSes). The library aims at providing | 02:12 |
Tenkawa | a long term stable C API for different virtualization mechanisms. It currently | 02:12 |
Tenkawa | supports QEMU, KVM, XEN, OpenVZ, LXC, and VirtualBox. | 02:12 |
Tenkawa | thats what libvort is | 02:13 |
Tenkawa | ert libvirt | 02:13 |
Tenkawa | straight from the libvirt0 pkg | 02:13 |
tuxd3v | yes, and KVM virtualization uses it | 02:13 |
Tenkawa | tuxd3v: exactly.. | 02:14 |
systemdlete | libvert is also a linux package containing libraries and such. | 02:14 |
Tenkawa | no | 02:14 |
Tenkawa | libvirt-bin is | 02:14 |
systemdlete | whatever... | 02:14 |
systemdlete | I think the point is that vbox does not use any of this except for the kernel support. The rest is their own brew. | 02:15 |
onefang | I think you'll find it's the other way around, libvirt uses KVM. | 02:15 |
tuxd3v | systemdlete, + quemu | 02:15 |
Tenkawa | libvirt-daemon | 02:15 |
Tenkawa | This package contains the libvirt shell virsh and other client binaries. | 02:15 |
systemdlete | that too, yes | 02:15 |
tuxd3v | because you need the virtualization devices for KVM :) | 02:15 |
tuxd3v | network, harddrives, sound cards, etc | 02:15 |
Tenkawa | KVM comes from the host | 02:16 |
Tenkawa | zcat /proc/config.gz | grep KVM | 02:16 |
Tenkawa | CONFIG_KVM_GUEST=y | 02:16 |
Tenkawa | CONFIG_HAVE_KVM=y | 02:16 |
HumanG33k | tuxd3v, ufw in rcS and rc1 | 02:16 |
Tenkawa | (only pasted a few lines) | 02:16 |
tuxd3v | onefang, yes if you look that kvm as a pieace of software | 02:17 |
tuxd3v | :) | 02:17 |
tuxd3v | But if you look at it as a concept of global system for Virtualization, its KVM concept that uses libvirt | 02:17 |
onefang | I'm not talking about Keyboard Video Mouse switches here. lol | 02:17 |
Tenkawa | you have to have kernel support to interface with hw support.. then use userland tools (libvirt) | 02:18 |
tuxd3v | but yeah ofcourse the libvirt userspace library is conected to the kernel space kvm driver.. | 02:18 |
HumanG33k | K14 prefix so before network S15 i guess ? | 02:18 |
onefang | KVM is the kernel module. You can use it fine without libvirt installed. | 02:18 |
Tenkawa | (or build them by hand qemu-syste, cam talk to kvm directly | 02:18 |
Tenkawa | qemu-system | 02:18 |
Tenkawa | onefang: yep | 02:19 |
HumanG33k | i have K14 apparmor and ufw | 02:19 |
tuxd3v | HumanG33k, K14 means kill at 14 position | 02:19 |
Tenkawa | we build images that way | 02:19 |
tuxd3v | HumanG33k, check if you have SXX links for ufw | 02:19 |
Tenkawa | (have a arm host builder and thats how we build the images.. ) | 02:19 |
onefang | I've said the same thing several times already. Argue amongst yourselves about it. lol | 02:19 |
HumanG33k | tuxd3v, are they not exec by name ? | 02:20 |
HumanG33k | no SXXufw | 02:20 |
HumanG33k | only KXX | 02:20 |
tuxd3v | HumanG33k, the system look at it, if it starts by K, mean Kill, if it starts by S mean start | 02:20 |
HumanG33k | ok | 02:21 |
tuxd3v | HumanG33k, that is good and shows that ufw is not started at boot, unless you are starting it in '/etc/rc.local' | 02:21 |
HumanG33k | no | 02:23 |
tuxd3v | check if network starts at boot: 'find /etc/rc?.d -name \*network\* -type l -exec ls -l {} \;' | 02:24 |
HumanG33k | 2 K in rc0 and 6 and one /etc/rcS.d/S15networking -> ../init.d/networking | 02:25 |
tuxd3v | I also have a start at rcS.d | 02:26 |
HumanG33k | humm maybe we find it | 02:26 |
tuxd3v | HumanG33k, you are using the networkmanager? | 02:26 |
tuxd3v | or only configuring via '/etc/network/interfaces' | 02:27 |
HumanG33k | only '/etc/network/interfaces' | 02:27 |
tuxd3v | your interfaces file have something special, I mean something that for example can restore iptables, or so? | 02:28 |
tuxd3v | via a post-up command? | 02:29 |
tuxd3v | or is trivial static network config | 02:29 |
tuxd3v | also check if you have any network udev rules, that can change network interface name, and then its not the same name as in 'interfaces' file | 02:31 |
tuxd3v | onefang, yeah 2 diferent ways of saying the same thing :) | 02:33 |
tuxd3v | HumanG33k, 'ls -l /etc/udev/rules.d' | 02:34 |
tuxd3v | post results here: https://paste.debian.net/ | 02:35 |
tuxd3v | HumanG33k, I would like to see your interfaces file :) | 02:39 |
tuxd3v | if you don't want the ip to be shown scrap it out ;) | 02:39 |
HumanG33k | 70-persistent-net.rules | 02:44 |
HumanG33k | only for udev | 02:44 |
tuxd3v | HumanG33k, the names there match the ones in '/etc/network/interfaces'? | 02:44 |
HumanG33k | eth0 yes | 02:46 |
HumanG33k | and for the interfaces i didn t touch it and it match rescue network conf | 02:48 |
tuxd3v | the rescue image is also eth0? | 02:49 |
tuxd3v | so you are not running nothing in the interfaces file other than the interface config.. | 02:51 |
tuxd3v | it can be that the interface name changes, in the boot time, and the system doesn't manage to bring the correct inerface up.. | 02:53 |
Tenkawa | make sure nothing is in /etc/network/interfaces.d too | 02:53 |
tuxd3v | Tenkawa, is also right | 02:53 |
tuxd3v | HumanG33k, do a cat of your '70-persistent-net.rules' | 02:54 |
Tenkawa | tuxd3v: thinking udev might be hanging on to it?i | 02:55 |
Tenkawa | or "not" picking it up | 02:55 |
HumanG33k | on my vm for get default packaqe list the reboot go on maintenance ctrl+d prompt | 02:56 |
tuxd3v | because its a VM , smetimes the maccaddress changes, and the udev rule that you so much praise, is gone, and so, the network interface has another name | 02:56 |
HumanG33k | ok | 02:56 |
HumanG33k | nothing strange fo the 70 rules | 02:56 |
tuxd3v | and if it has anothername than the one configured in '/etc/network/interfaces', the network will be down.. | 02:57 |
tuxd3v | can you show the rule? | 02:57 |
tuxd3v | or if not | 02:57 |
tuxd3v | make sure that the maccaddress in the udev rule is the same as interface.. | 02:58 |
tuxd3v | go to '/etc/network/interfaces', and force there the same mac address | 02:58 |
fsmithred | or delete 70-persistent-net.rules every time | 02:59 |
HumanG33k | https://paste.debian.net/1188790/ | 02:59 |
tuxd3v | ATTR{address}=="hwmacaddress" | 03:01 |
HumanG33k | i change it | 03:01 |
tuxd3v | so now go to '/etc/network/interfaces' | 03:01 |
tuxd3v | and add a line | 03:01 |
HumanG33k | hwaddress ether blabla | 03:01 |
tuxd3v | hwaddress ether hwmacaddress | 03:02 |
tuxd3v | thats it :) | 03:02 |
tuxd3v | you know :) | 03:02 |
tuxd3v | sometimes the interface mac changes.. | 03:02 |
tuxd3v | it could be | 03:03 |
tuxd3v | its a shot | 03:03 |
tuxd3v | HumanG33k, does it managed to boot? | 03:10 |
tuxd3v | another thing, soes you have access to the grub default menu at boot? | 03:10 |
tuxd3v | if you have the problem is solved :) | 03:10 |
tuxd3v | I forgot to tell you that , sorry :( | 03:10 |
HumanG33k | i did have issue with grub (grub) but i manage it with update-grub2 stuff | 03:13 |
HumanG33k | but from the chroot | 03:13 |
HumanG33k | look like it do not work but maybe it take time | 03:14 |
tuxd3v | when the system starts to boot does you see the grub menu to choose what os you want to boot? | 03:15 |
tuxd3v | ok wait a bit :) | 03:15 |
HumanG33k | humm not pingable | 03:20 |
HumanG33k | a tech will check in the next 30 min | 03:20 |
HumanG33k | i will go sleep | 03:21 |
tuxd3v | one option if its availlable would be to edit the botting command line | 03:21 |
tuxd3v | start the vm in sigle usermode | 03:21 |
tuxd3v | and then change what you need too | 03:21 |
tuxd3v | but I don't know if you have access to the grub or not.. | 03:21 |
HumanG33k | i have not real acces | 03:22 |
HumanG33k | no ssh before boot step | 03:22 |
HumanG33k | by the way thx for the help | 03:22 |
tuxd3v | so you don't have a console to choose what OS to boot.. | 03:23 |
HumanG33k | nope | 03:23 |
tuxd3v | yeah that would awesome :) | 03:23 |
HumanG33k | it's a web ui | 03:23 |
tuxd3v | no problem, you welcome, sorry for not being able to help :) | 03:23 |
tuxd3v | yeah :) | 03:24 |
HumanG33k | thx again | 03:24 |
tuxd3v | np | 03:25 |
fonxtadeluxe | good morning everyone | 05:21 |
fonxtadeluxe | is there any graphical tool for rc.x (1-6) instead of renaming S -> K | 05:21 |
fonxtadeluxe | for starting up stuff | 05:21 |
lts- | fonxtadeluxe: I use sysv-rc-conf if cli is graphical enough https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-2iyTzW5UvMY/T1yH79qw19I/AAAAAAAAC1Y/VLZ1BbThbVM/s0/sysvrcconf.png | 05:44 |
onefang | sysv-rc-conf is what I use for that. | 05:44 |
fonxtadeluxe | whoa nice | 05:55 |
MinceR | there was a gui tool called bum (boot-up manager), but i'm not sure if it's still around | 06:14 |
tuxd3v | We cannot redistribute the firmware directly in linux-firmware because NVIDIA's license forbids redistribution of parts of their driver. | 08:52 |
tuxd3v | damm.. | 08:52 |
krntz | nvidia.. windows users the lot of them. | 08:54 |
krntz | I may just jump ship from nvidia soon | 08:56 |
HumanG33k | hello friends | 13:30 |
HumanG33k | for my troubles i have some news | 13:35 |
HumanG33k | look like grub/kernel involve | 13:35 |
HumanG33k | (Failed to boot both default and fallback entries.) | 13:36 |
HumanG33k | when i update-grub i have WARNING: Device /dev/sda1 not initialized in udev database even after waiting 10000000 microseconds. and other | 15:54 |
HumanG33k | any clue about it ? | 15:54 |
mason | HumanG33k: Matches this: https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=242594 | 16:00 |
mason | HumanG33k: That might be a new thing to add to chrooted binds. | 16:01 |
seamonk5 | hey | 16:32 |
seamonk5 | clear | 16:32 |
seamonk5 | i am noob | 16:33 |
seamonk5 | Can u get virtualbox on devuan? | 16:34 |
seamonk5 | https://brave.com/linux/#linux | 16:36 |
fsmithred | HumanG33k, if it's not /run/lvm it might be /run/udev or possibly edit lvm.conf to get udev out of the picture: https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?id=3372 | 16:36 |
fsmithred | seamonk5, for vbox, devuan is same as debian | 16:37 |
seamonk5 | thx for clarifying | 16:38 |
tuxd3v | HumanG33k, vgchange -ay | 16:40 |
tuxd3v | maybe your vg changed during the operation someone have done on the vm.. | 16:40 |
tuxd3v | then again try update-grub2 | 16:40 |
HumanG33k | i currently not use lvm or stuff like that the server is old and weak | 16:42 |
seamonk5 | what if i edited the sources.list to download the debian version of virtualbox would that be worse than just downloading the package file | 16:43 |
HumanG33k | just partition | 16:43 |
fsmithred | seamonk5, if debian has a version of vbox, then it's accessible through devuan repos | 16:50 |
fsmithred | maybe you need to add contrib and non-free? | 16:50 |
seamonk5 | I did in my sources.list | 16:51 |
fsmithred | or maybe you're running a suite that doesn't have vbox. (beowulf, I think) | 16:51 |
seamonk5 | chimaera | 16:51 |
fsmithred | no, but it's in ceres | 16:52 |
fsmithred | does debian have it in bullseye? | 16:52 |
xinomilo | nope, just sid | 16:53 |
fsmithred | ok, good. | 16:53 |
fsmithred | I was worried it might be banned, but I guess not | 16:53 |
seamonk5 | i see they recommend virt-manager instead | 16:54 |
fsmithred | I tried that and couldn't figure it out | 16:54 |
fsmithred | using plain qemu now | 16:54 |
fsmithred | there's also aqemu for a graphical frontend | 16:54 |
xinomilo | virt-manager is easy really. best virt gui, imho. | 16:54 |
HumanG33k | tuxd3v, do you know if the udev package is needed for a working boot process ? | 16:55 |
fsmithred | you don't want to remove udev/eudev | 16:55 |
fsmithred | unless you replace it with something else. vdev is a possibility, but I don't think it's in the repo | 16:55 |
HumanG33k | it can prevent wrong network eth renaming | 16:55 |
fsmithred | you should be able to control the naming in the boot command if necessary | 16:58 |
fsmithred | HumanG33k, by 'wrong naming' do you mean old interface names vs. new names? | 17:00 |
fsmithred | or do you mean eth0, eth1 etc.? | 17:00 |
HumanG33k | yes | 17:00 |
fsmithred | net.ifnames=1 in boot command shold give you the new names | 17:00 |
fsmithred | old names should be default | 17:01 |
fsmithred | what are you getting? | 17:01 |
Tenkawa | me likes his old style net.ifnames=0 :) | 17:02 |
Tenkawa | predictable names are as annoying as guids | 17:03 |
fsmithred | yup. most of us here like the old names | 17:03 |
fsmithred | They are predictable by opening the box and looking at which slots are occupied. | 17:03 |
Tenkawa | lol | 17:03 |
Tenkawa | nice | 17:03 |
Tenkawa | fsmithred: my local isp recently put up on ipv6 and I'm like omg.... | 17:04 |
Tenkawa | its just ugly to look at my routing table | 17:04 |
fsmithred | for a live-usb with persistence, the new names work better because you don't get the ethN to iterate every time it sees a new interface | 17:04 |
Tenkawa | er up/us | 17:05 |
seamonk5 | are there isps still using iPv4 | 17:09 |
fsmithred | charter/spectrum | 17:11 |
fsmithred | for one | 17:11 |
mason | seamonk5: Most in the US still. | 17:11 |
xinomilo | are there isps offering ipv6? | 17:12 |
xinomilo | :P | 17:13 |
mason | xinomilo: I think Comcast is rolling it out to residential customers. | 17:13 |
xinomilo | what's comcast? | 17:13 |
xinomilo | i'm in eu | 17:13 |
seamonk5 | anyone here familiar with ESNI and ECH in firefox | 17:14 |
mason | xinomilo: Nationwide cable provider. | 17:14 |
Tenkawa | hardly anyone over here uses ipv6 yet | 17:16 |
Tenkawa | (exclusively anyway) | 17:16 |
Tenkawa | the rollout has been ugly | 17:17 |
walex | Tenkawa: actually IPv6 usage is rising a lot, and it is quite common in China-mainland, especially mobile networks. | 17:19 |
seamonk5 | crypto mining | 17:20 |
walex | Tenkawa: https://www.google.com/intl/en/ipv6/statistics.html reports over 30% of traffic Google sees is IPv6 | 17:21 |
Tenkawa | walex: yeah I know it is in the rest of the world | 17:21 |
Tenkawa | here in te USA its been a mess | 17:22 |
Tenkawa | er the | 17:22 |
walex | the chinese problem is that there are hundreds of millions of cellphones connected to the network, and even 10.0.0.0/8 can't cope with that. | 17:22 |
Tenkawa | because of the state of our telcos | 17:22 |
Tenkawa | and lack of cooperation | 17:22 |
xinomilo | https://www.worldipv6launch.org/measurements/ | 17:23 |
walex | yes, that is interesting too. Other statistics here: https://www.internetsociety.org/deploy360/ipv6/statistics/ | 17:23 |
walex | for example this map: https://stats.labs.apnic.net/ipv6 | 17:24 |
Tenkawa | hey I'm shocked. AT&T has finally been proactive | 17:24 |
seamonk5 | I remember AT&T had DSL for the longest time but I'm glad that's no longer the case | 17:25 |
walex | Tenkawa: the problem is not so much telecoms, they have eventually spent the money to do a low IPv6 rollout, it is that customers in tzhe USA and Europe have grabbed so many IPv4 addresses in the early decades of the Internet that they don't need IPv6 as much as China (or India). | 17:26 |
Tenkawa | seamonk5: I went straight from ISDN to cable with them lol | 17:26 |
Tenkawa | walex: no.. we definitely have telecom issues.. I worked in the industry | 17:27 |
Tenkawa | case in point.. AT&T | 17:28 |
Tenkawa | look what happened to them 25 years ago | 17:28 |
Tenkawa | with Bell/Lucent/th Break up | 17:28 |
Tenkawa | I was there | 17:28 |
Tenkawa | it was not pretty | 17:28 |
xinomilo | gafami cabal probably hold more ips than the whole african continent.. (i guess, haven't checked).. | 17:29 |
Tenkawa | xinomilo: I wonder.. China oviously has a huge need... How about Japan for subnets? | 17:29 |
Tenkawa | i would think a major need | 17:30 |
tuxd3v | HumanG33k, yes it is, the very first think is to populate the mknods in /dev | 18:37 |
tuxd3v | when the system comes up | 18:38 |
HumanG33k | their is a way to get a rapport with list all services and their state enable or not start or not ? | 19:32 |
Tenkawa | HumanG33k: is this what you are looking for? | 19:42 |
Tenkawa | sudo service --status-all | 19:43 |
Tenkawa | that will at least show you started/stopped/not handled with status | 19:44 |
HumanG33k | it will do the job | 19:49 |
HumanG33k | i m in a chroot for now but do you see something wrong https://paste.debian.net/1188906/? | 19:49 |
Tenkawa | is that for the main machine or for the chroot? | 19:50 |
Tenkawa | thats a really small list if its the main machine... if its the chroot some odd ones are running (mcelog, irqbalance) | 19:52 |
Tenkawa | thats the machine check and irqbalance daemons | 19:52 |
Tenkawa | not sure why it would be presenting them to the chroot | 19:52 |
Tenkawa | unless you have /proc showing up perhaps | 19:52 |
Tenkawa | but otherwise yeah for the chroot yeah it seems ok unless you are "specificly" missing something that should be running | 19:53 |
HumanG33k | look it start now | 20:27 |
HumanG33k | i reinstall reconfigure kernel strange | 20:28 |
HumanG33k | anyway it's working | 20:28 |
HumanG33k | is resolvconf mandatory ? | 20:28 |
Tenkawa | thats what defines your nameservers | 20:30 |
Tenkawa | you can remove it and build a static /etc/resolv,conf file | 20:30 |
Tenkawa | er /etc/resolv.conf | 20:30 |
Tenkawa | I dont use it | 20:31 |
Tenkawa | I like the standard non resolvconf way | 20:31 |
Tenkawa | you might be using openresolv though so if so you'll need to make sure the file is put back in | 20:33 |
HumanG33k | Tenkawa, you mean in interfaces file ? | 20:39 |
Tenkawa | no | 20:39 |
Tenkawa | /etc/resolv.conf | 20:39 |
Tenkawa | thats what defines your nameserver lookup | 20:40 |
Tenkawa | and domain search order | 20:40 |
Tenkawa | openresolv is a utility that builds it from resolvconf which gets the info from dhcp | 20:41 |
Tenkawa | if you want to just create it yourself you define it that way | 20:42 |
Tenkawa | your chroot will need a /etc/resolv.conf file with a nameserver line for dns lookups to succeed | 20:43 |
HumanG33k | i m not anymore in the chroot but dns resolution was Ko | 20:44 |
Tenkawa | cool | 20:45 |
x_ | Could not find /etc/lsb-release file, cannot continue !? | 20:45 |
Tenkawa | x_: do you have the lsb-relese pkg installed? | 20:46 |
Tenkawa | er lsb-release | 20:46 |
Tenkawa | dpkg -l | grep lsb-release | 20:46 |
Tenkawa | ii lsb-release 11.1.0 all Linux Standard Base version reporting utility | 20:46 |
x_ | lsb-release is already the newest version (10.2019051400). | 20:48 |
Tenkawa | intriguing | 20:48 |
Tenkawa | oh.. | 20:48 |
Tenkawa | I vaguely remember this | 20:49 |
Tenkawa | let me search real quick | 20:49 |
Tenkawa | oh that "is" ugly | 20:50 |
Tenkawa | are upi doing an upgrade? | 20:50 |
Tenkawa | er you | 20:50 |
x_ | installed devuan 3.1 than upgrade packages from mxlinux from mxrepo | 20:52 |
Tenkawa | yeah... I dont think you can do that | 20:52 |
Tenkawa | I think it overwrote some system packages | 20:53 |
Tenkawa | do not quote me though | 20:53 |
Tenkawa | do you still have the apt-get list that it upgraded/ | 20:54 |
Tenkawa | er ? | 20:54 |
x_ | i add mx.list | 20:55 |
x_ | deb http://mxrepo.com/mx/repo/ buster main non-free | 20:56 |
Tenkawa | right but when you ran apt-get upgrade/dist-upgrade it tells you what its upgrading | 20:56 |
Tenkawa | or did you do it through the gui? | 20:57 |
x_ | from term | 20:58 |
Tenkawa | right.. it shouldve given you a list of what it was updating | 20:58 |
Tenkawa | and installing | 20:58 |
x_ | now i tried to make mx-snapshot and gives the lsb-release error and stops | 20:59 |
x_ | installed some packages from mx | 21:00 |
x_ | what about copy the lsb-release file from another place and modify it? | 21:01 |
Tenkawa | that could potentially work | 21:01 |
x_ | now mx-snapshot works with an unmodified lsb-release copied from mx. thank you | 21:08 |
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