donut-assassin | Hello guys! | 06:01 |
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donut-assassin | I have an old thinkpad with Devuan installed on it, I dropped it while running, the disk is OK, but now has 5 bad sectors, and has lost the eudev program. | 06:02 |
donut-assassin | on bootup it boot sto runlevel 2. Enters Slim login manager, but (probably since [e]udev is missing) now no longer detects keyboard. On REISUB i can drop into a root shell. | 06:03 |
donut-assassin | ..however it appears the hard-drive is locked as read-only, since eudev is missing, I can no longer detect plugged in USB's for backup. I have a 30GIG virtual image I need to recover, the disk is fully-encrypted with LVM. What other options do I have, or can I repair the system by booting in with a Devuan USB live-installer? | 06:05 |
fluffywolf | I'm not familiar with encrypted lvm, so I don't know how hard it is to decrypt without booting it. you could try booting the drive in something that could have a second non-usb drive installed and copy it there. | 06:17 |
fluffywolf | but, any drive that now has 5 bad sectors, might be seconds away from being a brick. imaging it would be the first thing I'd do. but, as I said, I know nothing about encryption, so I don't know if that'd work. | 06:20 |
donut-assassin | fuffywolf: thank you! | 06:34 |
fluffywolf | glad to help, although I'm not sure I did. :) | 06:39 |
fluffywolf | bbl, bedtime | 06:40 |
donut-assassin | goodnight :) | 06:49 |
deldenzen | is there any way to uninstall certain kde applications like konqueror without uninstalling the whole system? | 09:19 |
gnarface | with kde maybe not... | 09:23 |
gnarface | did you try just purging the konqueror package? | 09:24 |
gnarface | you could try disabling recommends during upgrades. | 09:25 |
gnarface | that'll cut down on extra stuff anyway, maybe not kde specific | 09:25 |
deldenzen | is there any way to uninstall all the packages which were recommended? | 09:27 |
gnarface | hmm, there should be but i forget exactly | 09:29 |
gnarface | usually what i do is directly remove one of the ones i see it install, then run "apt-get --purge autoremove" on what's left over | 09:30 |
gnarface | sometimes i'll have to repeat that a couple times | 09:30 |
gnarface | when you upgrade, upgrade like this to keep it lean: apt-get update && apt-get --no-install-recommends upgrade | 09:34 |
gnarface | you can add it to some config file to make it permanent but i forget the details on that too | 09:35 |
gnarface | it's in the man page somewhere i think | 09:35 |
walex | all those settings are in '/etc/apt/apt.conf' or '/etc/apt/apt.conf.d/*.conf' | 12:24 |
grntc | eh, the wokerati at rathead are at it again | 17:49 |
Xenguy | apt-get update && apt-get upgrade -s gave this output: | 19:17 |
Xenguy | https://paste.debian.net/hidden/eb347aad/ | 19:17 |
Xenguy | ^^ Quite a bunch of software to be updated. This is on Beowulf. | 19:17 |
Xenguy | Is anyone seeing similar upgrades? | 19:18 |
fsmithred | 58 packages today | 19:18 |
fsmithred | and I just did it a few days ago | 19:19 |
Xenguy | Thanks fsmithred, just checking to make sure | 19:19 |
fsmithred | and another new kernel | 19:19 |
onefang | Similiar to what I got yesterday. Most of it is bits of Libre Office. | 19:19 |
Xenguy | fsmithred, yep, here too | 19:19 |
Xenguy | onefang, yeah | 19:19 |
fsmithred | my uptime was only 18 days, and I upgraded from -14 to -16 | 19:19 |
golinux | Libre Office is a hog | 19:20 |
fsmithred | so there was -15 in there. -14 was from Jan 30 | 19:20 |
onefang | Mono is much worse. lol | 19:20 |
fsmithred | welcome to kernel of the month club | 19:20 |
Xenguy | golinux, While I think of it, I just ran across this image manipulation program called 'krita' yesterday. Installing it now to have a look. Might be a useful compliment to GIMP. | 19:48 |
Xenguy | "As you learn about Krita, keep in mind that it is not intended as a replacement for Photoshop. This means that the other programs may have more features than Krita for image manipulation tasks, such as stitching together photos, while Krita’s tools are most relevant to digital painting, concept art, illustration, and texturing. This fact accounts for a great deal of Krita’s design." | 19:53 |
golinux | Xenguy: Thanks. I'll check it out. | 20:26 |
melodie | hi | 23:14 |
melodie | a lady handed me a laptop Asus | 23:15 |
melodie | I looked into the bios : the machine date is 2002! | 23:15 |
melodie | I changed the cmos battery, changed the RAM for PC 2700 1GBx2 and added a 32GB PATA SSD | 23:16 |
melodie | since yesterday I tried more than half a dozen 32bits distros presented as light, on the web | 23:16 |
melodie | tried them in virtualbox | 23:16 |
melodie | also I tried some light antiX spinoffs too but could not even start youtube and listen to music (lags too much). | 23:17 |
melodie | finally I installed Devuan which brings much more joy in that oldie! | 23:17 |
melodie | I meet with a little annoyance, I hope someone can help me with that : Synaptic won't start, it is setup to use pkexec and pkexec works better with systemd. So I don't want to add systemd so I tried the antiX trick : "su-to-root -X -c synaptic" | 23:19 |
melodie | that works, however | 23:19 |
melodie | what is funny, it triggers the Terminal to prompt me for the password. | 23:19 |
melodie | any idea how I could get a regular x window to prompt for the password? | 23:19 |
melodie | I have tried several options, but no luck yet | 23:20 |
rrq | our mxlinux friends have a short forum thread on this: https://forum.mxlinux.org/viewtopic.php?p=558705 | 23:24 |
melodie | rrq I look thanks! | 23:29 |
fsmithred | melodie, pkexec should work correctly in devuan. Is policykit-1-gnome installed? | 23:31 |
melodie | fsmithred let me check | 23:31 |
fsmithred | are you keeping this for yourself or returning it to the original user? | 23:32 |
melodie | fsmithred yes it is, version 0.105-7 | 23:33 |
melodie | neither nor, it's for another end user, why? | 23:33 |
melodie | I already have met with some kind of trouble around pkexec lately, I had heard there was a bug in some versions of policykit gnome | 23:34 |
melodie | I can find a turn around, but I'd rather ask for advice this time | 23:35 |
fsmithred | I was thinking maybe you would do better to use command line instead of synaptic | 23:38 |
fsmithred | but that depends on the user | 23:38 |
melodie | I do use command line, a lot, however I am trying to get the linux boxes I hand over to end users as graphical as possible | 23:38 |
melodie | so typing a root password in a terminal feels not right | 23:39 |
fsmithred | I just 'su' and then run graphical apps | 23:39 |
fsmithred | but I messed with root's path to get that to work | 23:39 |
fsmithred | and yes, I have to type root's password | 23:39 |
fsmithred | might work better with sudo, but I don't use that much | 23:39 |
melodie | this is what I have done to try to get as close as possible to what is desirable: | 23:39 |
melodie | neither su not sudo | 23:40 |
melodie | these are potentiel sources of trouble and security issues | 23:40 |
melodie | I have installed menu | 23:40 |
melodie | which brought in the "su-to-root" command as the one antiX uses | 23:40 |
melodie | I have used the exact same command line as them in the synaptic.desktop file: | 23:41 |
melodie | Exec=su-to-root -X -c synaptic | 23:41 |
melodie | man su-to-root says the same | 23:41 |
melodie | but now when I start synaptic from the menus it prompts a terminal instead of prompting a graphical window, which is a bit strange | 23:42 |
melodie | it should trigger a window | 23:42 |
fsmithred | what window? | 23:42 |
melodie | I mean a X window | 23:42 |
fsmithred | are you thinking of gksu window? | 23:42 |
melodie | fsmithred any window, gksu does not exist anymore right? | 23:42 |
fsmithred | right | 23:42 |
fsmithred | pkexec has replaced it | 23:43 |
melodie | but if thers is no systemd maybe.. I don't know, gksu still exists in antiX | 23:43 |
melodie | maybe I try to install gksu from antiX ? :D | 23:43 |
fsmithred | probably an old version forward-ported | 23:43 |
fsmithred | you could try | 23:43 |
fsmithred | use dpkg, not apt | 23:43 |
melodie | ok why not | 23:43 |
melodie | yes, sure | 23:44 |
melodie | I'll have to dpkg-repack first | 23:44 |
fsmithred | why? | 23:44 |
melodie | I have a antiX with Openbox installed in the same machine | 23:44 |
melodie | to get a gksu package to install | 23:44 |
melodie | or maybe I boot one in vbox on my regular machine | 23:45 |
fsmithred | I mean what needs to be changed in the package? | 23:45 |
melodie | I don't understand why you are asking htis | 23:45 |
melodie | this | 23:45 |
fsmithred | maybe I don't understand what dkpg-repack does | 23:46 |
melodie | it seems if I don't get a gui window to prompt for password in Devuan is because there is neither gksu nor systemd | 23:46 |
melodie | dpkg-repack rebuilds a package from an installed program | 23:46 |
fsmithred | yeah, thanks. I just read that and it makes sense now. | 23:46 |
melodie | it makes it rise again from it's ashes! Like the phenix! | 23:46 |
fsmithred | are you saing menu only creates a window for the password if systemd is installed? | 23:47 |
melodie | or if gksu is installed | 23:47 |
melodie | the window looks a bit different for both | 23:47 |
melodie | one is simple, the other one, when having systemd informs of what policykit rule it is using | 23:48 |
sgage | Just for a data point, pkexec works fine for me on all Devuan versions from | 23:49 |
melodie | another solution would be to tweak the rule I tried, but I still can't get it to prompt for a password, when using that rule I just start it with privileges without password | 23:49 |
melodie | sgage ok | 23:49 |
sgage | ascii to ceres. | 23:49 |
melodie | sgage how does synaptic start in your install? | 23:50 |
melodie | or other gui admin tools such as "Users and Groups" ? | 23:50 |
melodie | ceres : is a terminal admin tool? | 23:50 |
fsmithred | here they start from the apps menu. A pkexec window comes up for the password. | 23:51 |
melodie | fsmithred ook | 23:51 |
fsmithred | or from terminal, 'synaptic-pkexec' gives me the same | 23:51 |
melodie | fsmithred from a root terminal, isn't it so? | 23:51 |
fsmithred | I just installed and tried menu, and it does the same as for you - a terminal comes up for the password. | 23:51 |
fsmithred | no, synaptic-pkexec is run as unpriv user | 23:52 |
fsmithred | not root | 23:52 |
melodie | aha | 23:52 |
fsmithred | the graphical pkexec window asks for root pass | 23:52 |
fsmithred | I like terminals and think there's nothing wrong with a terminal asking for root password. | 23:52 |
melodie | when I tried the regular way I had a terminal window prompting for a password, and asking with which users I should use | 23:53 |
fsmithred | tried exactly what? | 23:53 |
melodie | started normally from menus | 23:53 |
melodie | without tweaking the synaptic.desktop file | 23:54 |
melodie | without menu installed | 23:54 |
sgage | melodie, 'Exec=synaptic-pkexec' in the .desktop file | 23:54 |
melodie | sgage I know I have commented it to keep it | 23:54 |
melodie | in fact | 23:54 |
melodie | when starting from menus it would not do anything | 23:55 |
fsmithred | is elogind installed? | 23:55 |
melodie | so I tried invoking as user | 23:55 |
melodie | fsmithred I check | 23:55 |
fsmithred | and libpam-elogind | 23:55 |
fsmithred | and maybe a display-manager (e.g. lightdm) | 23:56 |
melodie | yes, and slim is the default dm I think | 23:56 |
melodie | yes, it's slim | 23:56 |
melodie | would it be better to install lightdm? | 23:56 |
fsmithred | yeah, and pkexec should work with that | 23:56 |
fsmithred | no | 23:56 |
melodie | ? | 23:56 |
fsmithred | you did a full desktop install from install iso? | 23:57 |
melodie | yes, the one with Xfce4 | 23:57 |
fsmithred | then it should work | 23:57 |
fsmithred | i.e. starting synaptic from the menu should work | 23:57 |
melodie | let me check the list of removals | 23:57 |
sgage | off to a zoom meeting. good luck melodie. | 23:59 |
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