libera/#devuan/ Saturday, 2021-04-03

golinux<eyalroz> But, you know, making Devuan from Debian should not have been that difficult either00:10
golinuxThat is somewhat insulting to our significant efforts of over 6 years.00:11
golinuxActually more than somewhat . . .00:11
ranixcan't just migrate to a different init, it's kind of invasive00:14
fluffywolfthat init is invasive is why we exist.  heh.00:15
fluffywolf"init" and "invasive" shouldn't be in the same sentence.00:15
ranixlennart poettering sperging about devuan on twitter again00:16
eyalrozgolinux: I said "should", I didn't say it was00:18
eyalrozgolinux: If anything, it's an insult against Debian for making it so difficult, while their official decisison was merely making systemd the default, not something you couldn't get rid of.00:19
tomgranix, it's not just his autism, he has narcissistic traits too04:08
krzychI upgrade Beowulf end reboot. What happened? https://krzy.ch/p/lvm.jpg I had encrypted lvm...08:56
tele1234567891Hi! Devuan CD probably have bug from Debian. Missing /sbin in PATH in root. Working export PATH=$PATH:sbin , working also su -l10:14
tele1234567891But is there way to detect this bug ?10:14
tele1234567891Ok. So I will load /sbin by default10:32
tele1234567891if [[ ":$PATH:" == *":/sbin:"* ]]; then echo is ; else echo not ; export $PATH=$PATH:/sbin ; fi10:32
gnarfaceif he comes back, tell him it's actually a purposeful change from upstream and we also resent it10:57
melodiehi13:32
melodieI would like to find out which web browser is the lightest on cpu and ram nowadays, for a very old computer where Devuan 32bits behaves perfectly? I have installed Chromium Browser which is not bad, however a message comes with it, stating it won't be available in a near future.13:34
melodiewhat do you think?13:34
buZzmelodie: 'surf' by suckless is very lightweight and does many modern websites13:34
djphlynx13:34
djph:D13:34
gnarfacei'd recommend moving your swap partition to zram then just using firefox or chrome13:35
gnarfacechromium*13:35
gnarfacethe problem is obviously lynx is the fastest but you're giving up some features13:35
nanonymousjust use any text browser13:35
gnarfacebut some of the heavy stuff can be disabled in firefox then you can offset the OOM issue very nicely with zram for swap13:36
melodiebuZz I'll look into it right away. Thanks. Do you know if Youtube works in Surf?13:36
gnarfaceenough that it might be better than going with a stripped-down browser, but obviously there are other options13:36
buZzmelodie: hmm not sure, MUCH lightweight-er for youtube is just youtube-dl + mplayer/vlc13:36
linearainhello, what's the difference between "allow-hotplug eth0" and "auto eth0" in /etc/network/interfaces?13:36
gnarfaceif you just need youtube links to work you could pipe youtube-dl to mplayer or something like that, for example13:36
gnarfaceyou beat me buZz13:37
buZzwebbrowsers are -not- ideal for video playback13:37
melodiebuZz is there a gui available in the repos for youtube-dl, such as Clipgrab?13:37
gnarfacemidori might be still worth checking out for not video playback stuff?13:37
buZzmelodie: no clue13:37
melodiethe computer is intended for non tech people13:37
buZzi dont use guis if i can avoid them on lightweight-needed systems13:37
nanonymousenjoy text interface13:37
buZznon tech ppl benefit from learning CLI ;)13:38
buZzhell, all ppl do13:38
gnarfacemelodie: do really try the zram thing then.  the problem with the other browsers is their interfaces are considerably less mainstream too13:38
melodiegnarface of course, I have been using zram since before when the name was compcache : it was not even a kernel module then13:38
gnarfacefirefox's problem is probably more memory usage than cpu usage for you would be my guess13:39
gnarfacemy guess is chromium is in a similar situation13:39
gnarfaceunless we're talking about like a pentium2 here13:39
melodiegnarface I've had help here a few days ago to make it work in Devuan. This is what I came out with : http://meets.free.fr/Downloads/Zram-For-Devuan/13:40
gnarfacebut anything later than a core 2 duo is probably mostly ram constrained13:40
linearainif i have no graphical user interface, no windowing or desktop, etc, do i still need devuan to get rid of systemd? could i just install system V init from debian repositories and remove systemd? or its not that simple?13:40
buZzlinearain: not that simple, no13:40
gnarfacelinearain: a bunch of important packages like popular window managers got tied to it and you have to recompile them to stop them from pulling it back in by force13:40
buZzmany packages (that do not depend on clicky interfaces with guis) depend on systemd13:40
melodielinearain Devuan makes it easy, you can get netinstall or whatever server13:41
melodielinearain if you want it complicated, why not try LFS? -_-13:41
buZzquite sure there's no systemV init in current debian repos anyway13:41
gnarfacelinearain: that was one of their promises before hand but it was like the first one broken too13:41
linearaini dont want to reinstall my debian buster os13:41
buZzsystemV init isnt a monolithic tool like systemderp is13:41
gnarfacelinearain: you might be able to upgrade to devuan directly13:42
melodiegnarface if someone knows how to make a package for Devuan, or for Debian, my tarball can be used, then be a "non-systemd-zram"13:42
gnarfacelinearain: it works for most people, you just might have to uninstall and reinstall a few packages13:42
buZzmelodie: zram already doesnt depend on systemd ..13:42
melodiebuZz wrong13:42
buZz?13:42
melodiethe zram-config package does13:42
melodieyou can check13:42
buZzah13:43
melodieZRAM is the kernel module13:43
melodiebut13:43
gnarfacedo you need that or can you just load the kernel module manually?13:43
gnarfacei thought you could put it in the startup scripts pretty easily13:43
buZzmelodie: zram-tools on devuan13:43
melodieit needs to be loaded and configured to fit the needs of a given type of computer13:43
buZzgnarface: the latter13:43
melodiebuZz I know, I tried it at first but it depends on systemd to be loaded at boot13:43
melodieno systemd no zram13:43
buZzzram-tools doesnt depend on systemd13:44
melodiethis is why I needed help here to figure it out, and then I provided the tarball on that place I have13:44
melodiebuZz wrong again13:44
buZzroot@h81m:/home/buzz# /usr/sbin/zramswap start13:44
buZzworks directly13:44
buZzzero systemd needed13:44
melodieyou install you start it by hand you reboot : it's not there anymore13:44
linearaindebian repos have "sysvinit-core - System-V-like init utilities" and sysvinit-utils...13:44
gnarfacemelodie: another minor issue if we are indeed talking about a core2duo recently salvaged from windows; despite how many of them were sold they are all 64-bit13:45
melodiegnarface much worse : Asus 4000 A4D : year 200213:45
nanonymouswhy try to remove systemdix when you can simply install a distro without it13:45
melodieDevuan works perfect there !13:45
buZzgnarface: even core1duo was 64bit, iirc13:45
melodieAMD Sempron 3000+ 1.8 Ghz and 2GB ram PC-270013:46
linearainnanonymous: because i have a server with tons of stuff on it, i would hate to reinstall13:46
linearainbut systemd is ugly and buggy13:46
melodiebuZz do your reboot and let me know if you don't need to do " # /usr/sbin/zramswap start " again13:46
melodieI've been there!13:46
buZzmelodie: add it to rc.local13:47
melodiein antiX also where systemd is not the default13:47
melodiebuZz I had tried everything, the set of files I pointed to does the job13:47
melodieI invite you to have a look : http://meets.free.fr/Downloads/Zram-For-Devuan/zram/13:47
buZzlol @ typos in it :P13:48
melodiealso the default file allows refining the amount of RAM used to create the virtual block device : http://meets.free.fr/Downloads/Zram-For-Devuan/zram/etc/default/zram13:48
buZzpercentages arent factors ;)13:48
melodieso what?13:49
linearainbuZz: which non-gui packages are dependant on systemd? name a few please....13:49
buZzdbus for instance13:49
buZzconsolekit for another13:49
buZzplus many if not all services13:49
melodiebuZz you are welcome to send an improved version which I will try13:50
linearainif i did apt-get --simulate when migrating to devuan, that would show me all the changes that would take place?13:50
melodietypos can be fixed, as long as the program still works and allows having zram working out of the box13:50
linearainlooks like most of my services have scripts in /etc/init.d/ which systemd uses with a wrapper, so that would simplify things i guess13:58
knofixni14:31
knofixhi all414:31
knofixone quick question if anyone is willing and able and has a min of spare time -> smartctl -h outputs SAT command failed, any clue?14:32
aitor_<linearain>: "what's the difference between "allow-hotplug eth0" and "auto eth0" in /etc/network/interfaces?"14:32
knofixregular 2.5 hdd via usb 3.0 capable case paired with usb 2.0 on a machine14:32
aitor_the "auto" stanza is deprecated and it's only used for the loopback "auto lo"14:33
aitor_use "allow-hotplug" instead, for the rest of the devices14:34
knofixwill wait for udev if allow-hotplug14:34
knofixor cable connec14:34
knofixt14:34
aitor_knofix, during the boot, you mean?14:35
linearaini see. So I don't need wicd?14:35
knofixnot sure :)14:35
knofixnot using systemd14:35
linearaindo i need wicd if i only use wired networks and i have no gui?14:36
buZzno14:36
aitor_linearain: on the one hand, /etc/network/interfaces is related to ifupdown, not to wicd14:37
buZzdhcp etc works fine without14:37
linearaingreat14:37
aitor_knofix: yes, allow-hotplug eth0 leads to a delay in booting14:44
aitor_but you don't need it in a daily use14:44
aitor_but you'll require it if you are using a bridge interface for a virtual machine14:46
knofixbrb14:47
fsmithredsince when is "auto" deprecated?14:48
fsmithredallow-hotplug tells udev to bring up the network, auto tells ifup to bring it up14:48
fsmithredif you use allow-hotplug with the ethernet cable disconnected, you get a boot delay14:49
linearainmy debian 10.1 interfaces has three lines "source /etc/network/interfaces.d/*, auto lo, iface lo inet loopback", where is the NIC defined?14:49
fsmithredlinearain, if you use wicd or other network gui, you don't need to define the interface in that file14:50
aitor_fsmithred: once i repackaged ifupdown for beowulf, but i can't remember in detail... maybe you're right14:50
fsmithredif you don't use any network manager software, you can define it manually14:50
linearainohh14:51
fsmithredralph gave a nice explanation of the difference between the two ways of bringing up the interfaces in a thread on the forum14:51
linearaindevuan migration manual says i should add "allow-hotplug eth0" "iface eth0 inet dhcp" to interfaces file. This is in case i don't have a network manager at all?14:52
fsmithredalso, check in /etc/network/interfaces.d/ for files.14:52
linearainits empty14:52
fsmithredyeah, that's in case you don't have any network manager14:53
fsmithreduh oh14:53
linearainso what is the point of a network manager? sorry im dumb14:53
fsmithredyou're following the migration instructions on devuan.org?14:53
buZzfsmithred: isnt that normally empty?14:53
linearainyes, i am reading about it, but not doing it yet14:53
fsmithrednetwork managers are excellent choice for a laptop that connects to different networks14:53
fsmithredgood. Those instructions do not work anymore.14:54
linearaini see, my case is a server.14:54
fsmithredAnd neither do the ones on the forum.14:54
fsmithredRight now I do not know a way to migrate buster to beowulf.14:54
fsmithredNo shit.14:54
linearaini'm interested in migrating buster 10.1 (late 2019) to beowulf 3.0.014:54
fsmithredserver might be ok14:55
fsmithredwell, you'll get beowulf 3.1 (actually a little newer than that) because that's where the packge versions are now.14:55
linearaini have the 3.0.0 .iso file14:55
linearaini can use that as a repository, cant i?14:56
fsmithredand you're going to use that for the upgrade?14:56
fsmithredI guess so. I've never done that.14:56
linearaini might try to. I want it reproducible without internet...14:56
linearainor I could shrink my partition, and install fresh devuan on a new small partition... i will figure it out eventually14:57
* iv4nshm4k0v prefers to upgrade by installing the new version to a new set of LVM logical volumes and booting from there14:57
fsmithredcheck your installed packages against what is in /pool in the iso to make sure everything is there.14:58
linearainfirst i have to prune all the undeeded stuff, since i originally installed debian with gui, and now i use it headless14:59
fsmithredoh, that should be fun14:59
linearainwell it was my first ever linux install of any kind...14:59
fsmithredyou could probably just purge task-?-desktop for your selected desktop environment15:00
fsmithredand that would get rid of all the gui stuff15:01
fsmithredthere's also a task-desktop package15:01
linearaintask-desktop       task-english       task-lxqt-desktop  task-print-server  task-ssh-server    task-web-server15:01
fsmithredthat might be the primary one.15:01
fsmithredkeep ssh server!15:02
fsmithredlol15:02
linearainwhat does task- mean?15:02
fsmithredoy15:02
fsmithredoops15:02
fsmithredit's a metapackage15:02
fsmithrednot a real package but depends on several real packages15:02
fsmithredso it's an easy way to add or remove groups of packages15:02
linearaini need the web server too15:03
linearainwhat the hell is task-english15:03
fsmithredgit rid of task-desktop and task-lxde-desktop should do it15:03
fsmithreddictionaries, I think15:03
aitor_the task work probably comes from the tasksel package15:03
fsmithredyeah, and locales15:03
fsmithredyes15:03
fsmithredtasksel is the source package for all of those15:04
aitor_task has its own meaning: "tarea" in spanish15:04
linearainthe amount of packages to be purged by task-lxqt-desktop barely fits my screen15:05
fsmithredthat sounds right15:05
fsmithredactually, I'd expect it to scroll off the screen15:06
linearaini mean without newlines15:06
fsmithredoh!15:07
linearaini did apt-get --simulate purge task-lxqt-desktop15:07
fsmithredyou have backups of this system?15:07
linearainwell... i have, but not the kind of i could easily rollback to.15:08
aitor_time to eat, see you later15:08
linearaini have another computer with the same debian os, so i would first try the process on it15:08
fsmithredyou should have something ready. Like I said, I just tested buster to beowulf migration by two different methods and failed.15:09
linearainwhat happened?15:09
fsmithredyou may have better luck with server. On one of the tests, the first thing that happened was I got a black screen.15:09
fsmithredThis was in a VM, so I couldn't drop to console, but I could boot to single user mode.15:10
fsmithredlemme find my notes15:10
fsmithredand I'll get the link to the alternate instructions15:10
linearainmost of those task-lxqt-desktop packages seem to be java related15:12
fsmithredfor libreoffice15:13
fsmithredhere's what I wrote about nixer's method (the alternate)15:13
fsmithredInstall sysvinit-core and screen goes black. End of story. Not end! init 1, login as root, continue the upgade. Try to reboot and get /run/initctl error. Kill it and reboot to console login. Then autoremove the whole system. Reconnect network. Install slim. Install eudev. Reboot to desktop. Wow. Few hundred packages are missing.15:13
fsmithredHere's the link to a discussion about migration. Link is to my summary. Scroll up a few posts for nixer's longer description: https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?pid=18390#p1839015:15
fsmithredwe're getting ready to re-write the instructions on the website, so if you have anything to add or report, please let me know.15:16
fsmithredback in a few minutes. need food.15:17
linearainsure i will tell how it went once i try to do it15:18
fsmithredthanks15:31
melodiethis midori works perfect in Devuan : https://astian.org/en/midori-browser/download/16:05
melodieIcon16:05
melodie1.1.4_i386.deb16:05
melodiethis version number is smaller than the one on the repos, however the program is in reality more recent. that's not normal16:05
melodiewhat I can say, this one plays youtube video very well no hickups, in Asus 4000 with proc amd sempron 3000+, so this is the real deal!16:10
gnarfacemidori plays youtube videos for you?  i wouldn't have expected video to work at all, interesting16:20
fsmithredwow. Confirmed. The astian midori plays youtube videos.16:34
fsmithredI don't understand the version. The debian changelog jumped from 0.5 in 2016 to 7.x in the next entry (2018)16:34
fsmithredor 6.x16:35
fsmithredSettings (three dots), Extensions -> goes to chrome web store16:36
fsmithredps_mem.py says it's using 700MB16:38
fsmithredoh, 634MB if I close the chrome store tab that has a slide show running16:39
fsmithredI guess they re-versioned when they switched to chrome16:41
EHeMSeems stable got broken on pkgmaster.16:44
gnarfacemidori switched to the chrome engine?16:44
gnarfaceweird16:44
EHeMThe irony is HTML was meant to be LaTeX-like (describe your data, let the /browser/ decide how to render it), yet nearly everything past the first version or two has made it more and more PostScript-like.16:47
EHeMStable being broken on pkgmaster seems like a rather urgent issue.16:47
buZzEHeM: yeah, html turned out to be a awefully poor replacement for gopher16:48
buZz:(16:48
EHeMStable presently appears to be broken on all mirrors.17:01
masonEHeM: Broken in what sense?17:03
EHeMUnavailable even though the servers appear to be up, missing Release file.17:04
masonEHeM: Check for a local network issue or somesuch. Working here.17:05
masonEHeM: Do you refer to it as stable or beowulf? If stable, try beowulf.17:06
EHeMmason: A local network issue would make the server appear down (DNS failing or packets being dropped).17:06
fsmithreddon't even bother to check for network issues17:07
masonEHeM: Using the actual name can be perilous when new releases occur, as you'll suddenly start pulling from a different release.17:07
fsmithredjust repeat in a few minutes (or seconds)17:07
masonfsmithred: Oh, was something broken-then-fixed?17:07
fsmithredTemporary failure resolving 'deb.devuan.org'17:07
fsmithred^^^ I get that several times a week17:07
fsmithredit usually clears up in a minute or less17:08
EHeMmason: Stable, such has long traditionally been available since it is quite handy if you use it properly.17:08
masonHrm. I never see that here. I tried against deb.devuan and then switched a box to pkgmaster to compare, and both worked.17:08
fsmithredcleared now17:08
masonEHeM: It's worth comparing 'beowulf' to rule that out.17:08
fsmithredEHeM, are you using "stable" or "beowulf" in sources.list?17:08
EHeMfsmithred: "stable", keeps me aware when release updates come out.17:09
fsmithreddoes it differentiate between debian and devuan release updates?17:10
EHeMMy understanding was stable was maintained on the servers as a symlink.17:12
masonfsmithred: stable only refers to devuan17:12
masonEHeM: Yeah, but I've seen random anomalies in the past, hence the thought of test-swapping.17:13
fsmithredI understand the symlinks on our server, but how does amprolla pull from debian?17:13
fsmithredit's keyed to the debian codename?17:14
masonfsmithred: It emits merged, and nginx itself diverts as needed to debian, so it's impossible to access an unmodified debian straight through our servers.17:14
masonno matter what name you use17:14
masonit'll always point to Devan17:14
masonDevuan, I can't type17:14
fsmithredso whether I use stable or beowulf, amprolla knows to pull from "bullseye"?17:15
fsmithredand not from debian "stable"?17:15
masonbuster17:15
fsmithredyeah, I just saw that17:15
fsmithredsorry, buster17:15
fsmithredand another fucking 'b' name coming after that.17:16
fsmithredthree in a row17:16
masonI'd have to look for complete certainty, but I'm pretty sure it uses the release names, not the aliases, because the aliases change over time.17:16
masonthe release names are always fixed17:16
fsmithredso in theory, it's no worse than it used to be in debian to use the suite names instead of the codenames17:17
masonI don't want to think about Amprolla too much now, because it'll send me back to lurcing when we need the wiki more. :P17:17
masonright17:17
fsmithredaccidental dist-upgrad requires that you ignore the fact that over 1000 packages need to be upgraded17:17
masonor include an unfortunate -y17:18
fsmithred(been there, done that and it included xfree to xorg conversion)17:18
fsmithredanyway, I just switched beowulf to stable in sources.list and it still updates without error17:18
fsmithredEHeM, are you using deb.devuan.org or a specific mirror?17:19
masonhe'd noted pkgmaster earlier17:25
fsmithredif that were the case, all the mirrors would be screwed up17:25
masonThat's why I suggested looking for some local network error, as I didn't see either case (deb or pkgmaster) fail here17:26
masonThe thing I didn't try was stable-vs-beowulf, since I never use the aliases17:27
fsmithredI'm trying that now17:27
fsmithredwith pkgmaster17:27
fsmithredworks ok here17:27
Ankokukishiive never had an issue with deb.devuan.org connecting17:30
Ankokukishii just tested to see if sudo apt update works and it connected fine, even the backports17:31
fsmithredI might get redirected to a mirror that is down more often17:32
fsmithredmirror checker is here: https://sledjhamr.org/apt-panopticon/results/Report-web.html17:32
EHeMNow double-checking notes, I've tended to stick with us.deb.devuan.org on the theory it might get a closer local mirror (if it simply round-robins, no issue, just if the feature becomes available again...); I'd been doing reverse lookup and seeing pkgmaster.17:57
EHeM152.228.204.14417:57
fsmithredthe country codes don't really work17:58
gnarfaceit was never set up to work like that but there aren't any us mirrors anyway17:58
gnarfaceafaik the country-code domains have been officially deprecated17:58
fsmithredpkgmaster tends to be slow, too17:58
EHeMAnd I don't consider merely doing round-robin to be a problem.17:58
fsmithredtry deb.devuan.org17:59
fsmithredif that gives you trouble, pick a specific mirror. sledghamr and ungleich tend to be fast17:59
linearainI have one partition on a hdd, i want to shrink it and then clone it so i have two identical partitions on one hdd. Could someone give me some tips on how to make it so i can select which one to boot at grub? with different names18:00
gnarfacegrub will pretty much figure it out when you run update-grub18:01
EHeMUnless APT provides the hostname to the server, and some servers explicitly reject the country-codes I wouldn't expect the non-country-codes to be different.18:02
nemocrud18:02
nemomy name was referenced18:02
nemobut since I don't bother logging, and I was checked out of freenode for a week on a beach18:03
fsmithreddeb.devuan.org is the round-robin. I'm pretty sure it won't direct you to pkgmaster18:03
nemoI have no idea why18:03
nemooh well. hopefully it wasn't important18:03
fsmithrednemo, I think they were talking about cinnamon18:03
nemoah18:03
fsmithredfalse alarm18:03
nemoheh18:03
nemothat does happen from time to time18:04
linearaingnarface: i'm a bit dumb but should i do update-grub from the live distribution that im planning to do the partition cloning with?18:06
fsmithredlinearain, do that from the existing install (the shrunk one)18:06
linearainalright, i'm really not good with linux18:07
linearainthanks18:07
fsmithredare you going to use rsync to clone?18:07
fsmithredor some backup software?18:08
gnarfacelinearain: well you can do it from a live cd too but you'd have to chroot in and mount a bunch of stuff manually18:08
linearaini guess i will use resize2fs to shrink it, then parted or gparted to make a partition of same size as the first, shrunk one, and then probably dd to copy the contencts of 1st partition to the new 2nd partition18:08
gnarfacegparted can do the shrinking too, with some filesystems (optional tools sometimes required)18:09
fsmithredyou'll probably need to manually edit /etc/fstab in the cloned copy18:09
gnarfacefor that matter it can also do the copying but i like dd too18:09
gnarfacehmm, yes your UUIDs will all be wrong18:10
gnarfaceminor stuff18:10
linearainwhere do i find the correct UUIDS/18:10
linearainfor each partition18:10
fsmithredblkid18:10
linearainbut they will be identical if i just dd... :D18:11
fsmithrednot if you dd the contents of the partition instead of the partition itself18:11
gnarfacewell you can also just ls -l /dev/disk/by-id/18:11
EHeM`tune2fs` can be used to modify FS UUIDs.18:11
gnarface(as any user)18:11
linearainohh right18:11
gnarfacelinearain: uuids regenerated on filesystem resize18:12
linearaini keep confusing partitions and filesystems18:12
nemoorrr if you know your hardware won't be shuffling around,  /dev/sda1 is still an option...18:12
gnarfacelinearain: you'll have to edit the fstab in both partitions18:12
nemobut yeah, fixing uuids sounds smarter18:12
linearainno big deal18:12
nemoI do like the ease of typing ☺18:12
gnarfacelinearain: keep that live cd happy18:12
gnarfacelinearain: handy*18:12
onefangI much prefer labels aver UUIDs.18:13
EHeMYes, installing onto a system by doing `debootstrap` onto fresh media then physically moving the disk is generally not recommended, but if you know what you're doing it can work.18:14
masonI'm a big fan of GPT labels over UUIDs.18:16
masonHuman-readable.18:16
EHeMOther issue is many tools tend to prefer FS UUIDs as they are robust against moving the filesystem on storage media; on the flip side that robustness isn't 100% good, if you've got VMs with disks directly mapping to storage medium the filesystem UUIDs are under control of the VM not the hypervisor.18:18
linearaingnarface: how would i copy the partition with contents with gparted?18:26
linearainoh nevermind18:27
JPSavageUnable to install DEB using gdebi18:27
gnarfacelinearain: right-click maybe?  i don't have it in front of me18:28
linearainyeah it has copy paste18:28
linearaini might try gparted live cd18:28
gnarfacelinearain: it's good18:28
Guest78952hi20:35
aitor_hi20:36
aitor_you can also get the FS UUIDs by this other way:20:37
aitor_blkid -s UUID -o value /dev/sdb120:37
aitor_gnarface: /dev/disk/by-id is missing in my system  with vdev20:38
aitor_and the GPT labels by typing:20:39
aitor_blkid -s LABEL -o value /dev/sdb120:39
aitor_and the FSTYPE:20:40
aitor_blkid -o value -s TYPE /dev/sd120:40
aitor_*/dev/sdb120:40
aitor_it requires libblkid120:42
aitor_like lsblk, it's part of the miscellaneous utilities of "util-linux"20:45
linearainwell i did it, bootable gparted is handy. I had to edit /etc/fstab of the cloned partition, and did update-grub, but that wasnt enough. Both entries in grub would boot with the same root filesystem, so i had to manually edit the grub and correct the uuid in one place. uuids are a pain in the ass20:46
linearainI mean i had to edit grub.cfg20:46
linearainnow that i have a backup i can try the migration process!20:49
aitor_go ahead and good luck :)20:50
linearainthanks20:50
aitor_i'm finishing my packages of hopman (Didier's project), i recently added a new interface to it20:52
linearainaitor_: do you know how to use labels instead of uuids in such cases? linux   /boot/vmlinuz-4.19 root=UUID=xx-xx-xx ro  quiet20:52
linearainthis is from grub.cfg20:52
aitor_nope, i never did it20:53
linearainprobably root=label=20:53
aitor_using search --label20:55
aitor_look at this example: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/GRUB#Using_labels20:56
aitor_one clarification: to get the label give the device name, not the partition name, e.g. /dev/sdb instad of /dev/sdb121:55
aitor_blkid -s LABEL -o value /dev/sdb21:55
aitor_i rebooted the system and /dev/disk/by-id an /dev/disk/by-uuid are present with vdev; thay were missing because i removed one action from /etc/vdev/actions during my tests23:11
aitor_but /dev/disk/by-label doesn't exist23:11
aitor_however, blkid works giving the right label23:15

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