| erix_rifter | join #tor | 02:54 |
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| crashoverride | nothanks. | 02:54 |
| erix_rifter | xD | 02:55 |
| sn00p | i am trying to install devaun everytime i get to final stage and it rebbots it doesnt write to sectors and when it boots all i get is grub> any ideas? | 03:20 |
| erix_rifter | with some computers u may need to install grub packages before installing | 03:29 |
| sn00p | i have uefi | 03:30 |
| erix_rifter | https://files.devuan.org/devuan_beowulf/desktop-live/README.desktop-live.txt | 03:30 |
| fsmithred | sn00p, boot the installer disk and go to rescue mode, open a shell in the installed system, remove grub-efi-amd64-signed | 03:55 |
| fsmithred | and probably grub-install && update-grub | 03:56 |
| rwp | sn00p, Which installer are you using? During the standard install it will ask where to install grub to. Your symptoms make me think you have selected a different disk than the one booting and the one booting has a mismatched version to the new one being installed. | 04:39 |
| sn00p_ | i am trying to install devaun and every time i get to the end and it installs the grub boot loader, I reboot and all I get is grub> and it doesn't boot any ideas? | 05:14 |
| gnarface | sn00p: people replied to you but it appears you might have been disconnected... | 05:22 |
| gnarface | <fsmithred> sn00p, boot the installer disk and go to rescue mode, open a shell in the installed system, remove grub-efi-amd64-signed | 05:23 |
| gnarface | fsmithred> and probably grub-install && update-grub | 05:23 |
| gnarface | <rwp> sn00p, Which installer are you using? During the standard install it will ask where to install grub to. Your symptoms make me think you have selected a different disk than the one booting and the one booting has a mismatched version to the new one being installed. | 05:23 |
| gour | morning | 07:26 |
| gour | have problems detecting runit services, in 'pstree' i see the service running, e-g. (open)ntpd, 'ps ax' also does list it, but 'sv status ntpd' gives: fail: ntpd: unable to change to service directory: file does not exist | 07:28 |
| gour | any hint? | 07:28 |
| gnarface | i don't use it but it seems familiar | 07:32 |
| gnarface | maybe i'm confusing it with an openrc gotcha | 07:32 |
| gnarface | "unable to change to service directory: file does not exist" << this is important. figure out what directory it's trying to change to. it might exist but just have the wrong permissions | 07:33 |
| gnarface | or it might be looking in the wrong place | 07:33 |
| gnarface | should be easy to fix either way | 07:33 |
| gour | i see that e.g. openntpd is in /etc/init.d folder as well as bunch of other scripts...'man sv' lists /etc/init.d directory and if issue '/etc/init.d/opentpd status' it correctly reports "OpenNTPd daemon is running..", so it looks it is runit-related issue | 07:46 |
| gour | however, after migrating to Devuan and decided to stay on 'stable' (now i switched from ceres to chimaera) it seems i should dig deeper into/devuan/runit :-) | 07:47 |
| gour | heh, it seems that only getty-s are running under runit | 07:49 |
| gour | https://salsa.debian.org/runit-team/runit-services/-/blob/master/debian/README is useful info in regard | 07:58 |
| gour | btw, any pro/cons for slim vs lightdm? | 07:59 |
| gnarface | gour: dunno really, lightdm has given me less trouble in testing but i really don't use either myself | 09:19 |
| gnarface | gour: ymmv | 09:19 |
| gnarface | gour: i prefer xdm actually over either of those two but it is significantly more primitive | 09:20 |
| gnarface | gour: (but i just use a text login and run startx mostly) | 09:20 |
| gour | ok. afaict, slim is no longer developed, no idea about xdm | 09:21 |
| onefang | lightdm can have menus for things like window manager to start up and keyboard layout to use. If that's important to you. | 09:22 |
| brocashelm | i also prefer startx. this is also in case of troubleshooting before launching session | 09:23 |
| gour | probably not. slim is enough except its dev is stalled | 09:23 |
| brocashelm | i remember liking lxde's display manager | 09:23 |
| * gour does not use automatic login either | 09:23 | |
| * ErRandir also does startx, uses openbox wm. | 09:27 | |
| gour | brocashelm: yeah, that one looks interesting | 09:28 |
| onefang | lxde and openbox is what I use. Works for me. | 09:29 |
| furrymcgee | is ~/.xsession execed in lightdm? | 09:51 |
| mason | furrymcgee: Pretty sure it is. | 09:53 |
| mason | furrymcgee: Or it can be depending on the session. And you should be able to define a session where it is if it's not out of the box. | 09:53 |
| furrymcgee | Exec=default could do this by default in /usr/share/xsessions/lightdm-xsession.desktop; it does not seem so regarding to https://crunchbang.org/forums/viewtopic.php?id=38513 | 10:11 |
| mason | furrymcgee: I'm not sure of the default behaviour. I usually just use XDM. The one time I tried LightDM I'm pretty sure I had to give it a custom desktop file. | 10:16 |
| mason | furrymcgee: I'm not remember what I did, but I suspect, trying to recreate my thinking, I'd have had it run /etc/X11/Xsession. | 10:17 |
| mason | Anyway, long since time for me to hit the sack. o/ | 10:18 |
| xrogaan | shouldn't it be .xsessionrc? | 14:23 |
| Bronzu | Hi I noticed that Devuan doesn't have rebranded debian documentation. I thought of modifying the debian refrence card for Devuan, as it's the easiest at the moment. | 16:28 |
| jyri | Hi, has anyone encountered this problem with Thunar on Slim, files or folders do not get highlighted when selected, they are shown on the bottom text bar but the icon and the text stay the same as unselected ones? | 18:33 |
| fsmithred | jyri, do the highlights in the apps menu look weird? | 18:35 |
| fsmithred | missing gtk2-engines and/or gtk3-engines and/or the one with xfce in the name might be missing. | 18:37 |
| fsmithred | apt-cache search engines | 18:37 |
| jyri | the menu highlighs are ok | 18:38 |
| I_am_nobody777 | Hi | 19:26 |
| I_am_nobody777 | what is the preffered way to get a software that is not in the official repos ? PPA or the deb package file ? | 19:26 |
| fsmithred | I think deb package is safer. | 19:27 |
| fsmithred | Probably most of the devuan devs have never used a PPA. | 19:28 |
| I_am_nobody777 | I thought so , will use deb packages, . Devuan chimaera is the equivalent of Debian bullseye ( testing ) , am I right ? | 19:30 |
| golinux | However, unless the package is crucial to our mission of fixing functionality broken by systemd , it is unlikely to become part of the official repo | 19:36 |
| golinux | Please do start a project for it in our git. | 19:40 |
| Xenguy | I_am_nobody777, What is the software? | 19:46 |
| batmore | hello all... I tried to edit the original post on Dev1 Galaxy Document 'HOWTO:upgrade Devuan (stable) to the latest kernel' and got an warning "You do not have permission to access this page." Am I holding it wrong? | 19:48 |
| batmore | I did login successfully.... | 19:48 |
| I_am_nobody777 | Xenguy: yacreader , a comic books reader . I know that I can use zathura or mupdf , but I like yacreader . | 19:48 |
| fsmithred | batmore, no, you did it right. There's a time limit on editing. | 19:58 |
| Xenguy | I_am_nobody777, Cool | 20:00 |
| batmore | ?? meaning I can select 'edit' then wait 30 min before I can actually interact with the page/contents? | 20:00 |
| fsmithred | meaning you can edit if it's soon after you first posted, but not later. I don't remember what the time is. | 20:01 |
| fsmithred | maybe hours, maybe a day or two | 20:01 |
| batmore | fsmithred: oh,shite... then what I originally wrote is there forever and I can't update the original, just post replies with 'updates' and changes as part of the thread? | 20:02 |
| fsmithred | yup | 20:03 |
| fsmithred | we know | 20:03 |
| fsmithred | eventually, there will be a wiki, and all these informative threads will be used to create wiki pages. | 20:05 |
| batmore | fsmithred: dang... ok... then color me bummed. I'll update lower in the thread and let people find it eventually... thanks. Oh, and good work all with the new Devuan 4.0 Chimera....that's why I'm updatng that thread. Cheers all! | 20:09 |
| fsmithred | thanks batmore | 20:11 |
| sn00p | gnarface, I looked at your msg yesterday I couldn't fined any grub-efi-amd64-signed | 20:18 |
| fsmithred | sn00p, I'm surprised it wasn't there. Were you able to fix the problem and get a boot menu? | 20:20 |
| sn00p | no i wasn't able to | 20:20 |
| fsmithred | what have you tried so far? | 20:21 |
| sn00p | reinstall grub | 20:21 |
| sn00p | in rescue mode | 20:21 |
| sn00p | and that didn't work | 20:21 |
| sn00p | I downloaded the live install dvd it gets stuck on ipv6 | 20:22 |
| fsmithred | what's in /boot/efi/EFI/ ? debian or devuan? | 20:22 |
| sn00p | when booting up | 20:22 |
| fsmithred | ctrl-c should get past that hang | 20:22 |
| sn00p | I tried | 20:22 |
| sn00p | and it didn't do anything | 20:23 |
| fsmithred | damn. I haven't seen that happen, but you're the second one to mention it. | 20:23 |
| jyri | fsmithred: hmm, well, I have both gtk2 and 3 engines installed and strace shos that thunar finds the libraries, but what seems to be missing is libgtk3 itself and apt search doesn't come up with it (I'm on chimaera) | 20:29 |
| fsmithred | I see some libgtk3-* packages in chimaera, but I don't know which one you might need | 20:32 |
| I_am_nobody777 | sn00p: why not try an alternative boot loader ? . Like rEFInd (boot manager , actually ) for example . Unless your install is on luks root with a encrypted boot partition that can only be unclocked with grub2 . | 20:32 |
| jyri | fsmithred: just libgtk3 like there is libgtk2.0-0 | 20:34 |
| fsmithred | I see the same packages in beowulf | 20:35 |
| I_am_nobody777 | fsmithred: I've tried to install this piece of software (deb package ). It depends on libunarr and show it's not installable . But apt search shows libunarr-dev and libunarr1 . I've even installed both of them , but no luck .Is there something I can do about this ? non-matching names.. | 20:37 |
| fsmithred | I_am_nobody777, if you think libunarr1 should work, you could un-pack the .deb, change the depends and then re-pack it. | 20:38 |
| jyri | hmm, ok, I'll keep digging, thanks for the help :) | 20:38 |
| I_am_nobody777 | fsmithred: Thanks for the info , I'll try and report back . | 20:44 |
| fsmithred | I would try installing them one at a time | 20:44 |
| I_am_nobody777 | fsmithred: ok , Thanks . | 20:46 |
| jyri | strace actually shows it complaining about not finding libgail.so in gtk-3.0 path but that library only gets installed by the base libgtk3 package and that package is not found by apt | 20:47 |
| fsmithred | for missing .so files you usually need to install the -dev package | 20:48 |
| jyri | but there's no dev either :( | 20:48 |
| fsmithred | libgtk3.0-cil-dev | 20:49 |
| rwp | I_am_nobody777, There is no package named libunarr but there is a package named libunarr1. Perhaps a Depends: got specified incorrectly? | 20:53 |
| rwp | Perhaps there is a version depends on the library at a version that is not available for installation. That seems most likely. | 20:54 |
| rwp | Also since you are running Chimaera/Testing things are sometimes broken in Testing. Because packages have only partially migrated from Unstable to there. | 20:55 |
| jyri | fsmithred: well, it wan't there nor in it's dependencies. I'll give up for tonight :) | 20:59 |
| I_am_nobody777 | rwp: yeah , the deb package depends libunarr . And the repo has libunarr1 and libunarr-dev . unpacking and editing the deb package's control file and changing the depends from libunarr to libunarr1 should work , I think . will try this out tomorrow . | 21:00 |
| wpr | hi | 23:20 |
| wpr | debian voted against RMS | 23:20 |
| wpr | (all anti-RMS votes beat out all pro-RMS options) | 23:20 |
| wpr | so how does one defect to Devuan? | 23:20 |
| mason | wpr: #devuan-offtopic is a better place to discuss this. | 23:20 |
| wpr | mason #devuan-warsupport? | 23:21 |
| mason | wpr: No, #devuan-offtopic | 23:21 |
| wpr | the next most popular was "kick RMS out of the FSF" | 23:24 |
| mason | wpr: Next will be a ban if it's really worth it to you. | 23:24 |
| wpr | and the 3rd most popular was the same thing worded differently | 23:24 |
| wpr | and the 4th most popular was the same thing worded differently | 23:24 |
| wpr | mason: you CANNOT ban me | 23:24 |
| wpr | you've tried | 23:24 |
| wpr | for years | 23:24 |
| wpr | you always fail | 23:24 |
| wpr | I always just change my IP or use a proxy | 23:24 |
| mason | kk | 23:25 |
| wpr | stupid fuck | 23:25 |
| wpr | "DURR I HAVE POWAH" | 23:25 |
| wpr | nope | 23:25 |
| wpr | C + QuakeC here | 23:25 |
| wpr | what the FUCK do you program in | 23:25 |
| wpr | you fucking faggot | 23:25 |
| mason | I may have gotten the nick/account ordering wrong again. We'll see. | 23:25 |
| crashoverride | :D | 23:26 |
| kiwi9 | +1 for wpr gone whenever and wherever | 23:26 |
| crashoverride | mason: to be fair, they only have to reconfigure their client :P | 23:26 |
| mason | crashoverride: Sure. And if he's civil when he returns, I have no issue with it. | 23:26 |
| crashoverride | :) | 23:27 |
| golinux | Thank you mason. | 23:28 |
| mason | I'd still prefer something that auto-expires. | 23:29 |
| aitor_ | hi | 23:41 |
| aitor_ | next week i'll upload the packages of hopman, a project started by Didier | 23:42 |
| mason | aitor_: cool | 23:42 |
| aitor_ | congrat for the isos of devuan chimaera | 23:42 |
| aitor_ | *congrats | 23:43 |
| aitor_ | i've been testing hopman during a couple of weeks; i took some code from vdev, but it works independently | 23:44 |
| aitor_ | mason: bye, it's a bit late for me | 23:45 |
| aitor_ | time to bed | 23:45 |
| crashoverride | nice verb. | 23:45 |
| crashoverride | I like to bed too. | 23:46 |
| crashoverride | I would bed very much. | 23:46 |
| aitor_ | good night :) | 23:46 |
| aitor_ | lol | 23:46 |
| Ryccardo | excuse his bed english :p | 23:46 |
| aitor_ | your humour is very bed | 23:47 |
| aitor_ | i bed your pardon | 23:47 |
| aitor_ | bye | 23:47 |
| crashoverride | Ryccardo: not bed, not bed... | 23:50 |
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