sgage | Back in my music days, my bandmates called me EC. It did not stand for | 00:00 |
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sgage | Eric Clapton (though I was a good guitarist!). It stood for Easily Confused :-) | 00:00 |
golinux | Reminder . . . this is a technical support not an OT channel | 00:02 |
golinux | #devuan-offtopic is for that | 00:02 |
sgage | and with that reminder, I am off to make dinner (hi golinux! hope you're well) | 00:02 |
golinux | Yes. thank you. And you too EC | 00:03 |
fullofquestions | well i'm easily confused by linux, and still a crap guitarist | 00:03 |
fullofquestions | sorry / end of off topic | 00:03 |
rwp | Sometimes people accidentally run programs as root in their non-root home directory. Those can be found with "find . -user root -ls" and then fixed. | 00:11 |
rwp | Because sometimes those end up with files and directories that need to be writable by the user but then become locked to root. | 00:12 |
rwp | However running X as root does run it in root's home directory. But that's NOT RECOMMENDED due to X not being developed to run as root and therefore there is bound to be permission problems created due to it. | 00:13 |
fullofquestions | I got this by running it (as normal user) | 00:14 |
fullofquestions | 2752556 48 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 45794 Mar 26 01:48 ./package_list | 00:14 |
fullofquestions | 2759469 4 -rw------- 1 root root 594 May 10 16:32 ./nano.save | 00:14 |
rwp | Right. Exactly those types of files. I don't use nano but that looks like it would hurt nano running as a normal user. | 00:14 |
rwp | And the package_list is probably something from synaptic. Since I saw that you had run synaptic. So that one probably won't hurt. | 00:15 |
fullofquestions | same results as root btw | 00:15 |
rwp | But I would either change the owner:group of nano.save or remove it. "sudo chown $USER: nano.save" should do it. | 00:15 |
rwp | fullofquestions, Also be careful pasting into any of the Freenode IRC channels. The anti-abuse bot triggers on large pastes globally and will automatically kick you from the channel. | 00:17 |
rwp | Instead it is better to use a pastebin and then paste the URL to it. Any of a variety of pastebins are available. https://termbin.com/ has the advantage when pasting command output. But paste.debian.net is better for interactive cutting and pasting. | 00:18 |
fullofquestions | also wine seems to be looking in system32 for .exe of programs placed elsewere and/or doesn't read \+space in place of space for folder/file names | 00:21 |
fullofquestions | or I'm getting something wrong | 00:21 |
fullofquestions | yeah I'm aware of and using (paste.debian.net) for larger pastes after a bot warning + previous advice | 00:21 |
rwp | I have never really been happy with wine and therefore don't use it anymore. I use a Windows VM instead now. But "path" always includes system32 along with other directories so system32 has always been a place possible to put exe files. | 00:23 |
fullofquestions | like manually move the exe there? | 00:24 |
rwp | What? *You* were the one who says "also wine seems to be looking in system32 for .exe of programs placed elsewere..." I was just reacting to that statement. | 00:24 |
rwp | But wine really is Windows and Windows in Wine questions would probably have better help in a #wine specific channel. | 00:26 |
fullofquestions | I'm just asking if you ment moving the exe would make it work | 00:26 |
fullofquestions | moving the exe there* | 00:26 |
rwp | How would I know enough about what you are doing in order to suggest something like that? | 00:26 |
rwp | Back in the day... on a real Windows system... one could "Run..." the "cmd" command, get a Microsoft console, type in "path" and Enter, and it would display the configured path. | 00:29 |
rwp | I have no idea how that applies to wine. | 00:29 |
fullofquestions | I'm trying to run a program path + exe with spaces in folders and the exe name. I can't figure it out after trying everything I've read in guides or been adviced so far. So i thought that maybe you ment the answer could be moving the exe to .wine/drive_c/windows/system32/ | 00:32 |
rwp | I certainly did not mean to imply or suggest that. | 00:33 |
fullofquestions | ok, but no need to get angry either | 00:34 |
rwp | I am not angry. Text is always hard to emote. I am simply being very factual. Which can come off as harsh. But I am not. | 00:34 |
fullofquestions | ok | 00:35 |
rwp | Have you tried quoting the spaces? Something like: $ "./.wine/drive_c/some path here/file with spaces.exe" | 00:35 |
rwp | Spaces are not significant to Unix/BSD/GNU/Linux/Devuan in any way. But the command line shell splits on white space. But groups those characters if quoted. | 00:36 |
rwp | I also imagine that a graphical file browser such as Thunar, Nautilus, or other, will handle the white space correctly too. | 00:38 |
fullofquestions | Thunar seems ok with the spaces wine creates if that's what you mean. But wine seems to be working only with terminal commands. | 00:40 |
rwp | At this point I would check in with the wine experts over on the #winehq channel and see if they have better words of wisdom. | 00:42 |
rwp | https://www.winehq.org/irc | 00:42 |
rwp | This also looks useful: https://wiki.winehq.org/Wine_User%27s_Guide#How_to_install_and_run_Windows_programs | 00:44 |
rwp | I want to note the use of quote marks in the examples. I feel confident part of the problem is there. | 00:45 |
fullofquestions | yeah ' or " makes things easier | 00:58 |
fullofquestions | as per your advice + info on the guide got to the next step but seems I'm missing the following | 01:00 |
fullofquestions | err:winediag:SECUR32_initNTLMSP ntlm_auth was not found or is outdated. Make sure that ntlm_auth >= 3.0.25 is in your path. Usually, you can find it in the winbind package of your distribution. | 01:00 |
rwp | No idea. Seems very Windows specific to me. Try the wine hq folks as I am sure they will recognize that problem. | 01:01 |
fullofquestions | someone suggests sudo apt-get remove winbind && sudo apt-get install winbind | 01:02 |
fullofquestions | will that work for devuan like it's suggested for ubuntu? | 01:02 |
rwp | Yes. That would be the same with all of the Debian derived distributions. | 01:03 |
rwp | I am speaking only about the apt-get remove and apt-get install part. I know nothing about winbind. | 01:03 |
rwp | And instead of "remove" I suggest "purge". To purge off any /etc config files. Then the install will be pristine. apt-get purge foo; apt-get install foo | 01:04 |
fullofquestions | Yeah I guess I could be missing a version that's not available on devuan | 01:04 |
rwp | You can tell if there are config files remaining after a remove that was not purged: dpkg -l | grep ^rc | 01:05 |
rwp | In Beowulf the version of winbind is 4.9.5, which is certainly newer than 3.0.25. Therefore I would think that it wanted a wine version of winbind and not a Linux version. | 01:08 |
rwp | I am sure the #winehq folks would know. Seems right up their topic area. | 01:09 |
fullofquestions | What windows emulator do you use? I'd like to check that since wine seems anoying so far and I already have my old windows drive full of installed programs | 01:09 |
rwp | I don't use any windows emulator. The only use for Windows I have is to run old games that require it. Doing that I run a full virtual machine. | 01:10 |
rwp | I am using https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libvirt but that is a pretty heavy framework. Good for novices however. | 01:11 |
fullofquestions | yeah that's the one I ment | 01:11 |
fullofquestions | and I mostly want it for the same reason + my hardcore isn't terrible | 01:12 |
fling | Should I downgrade from chimaera if I want to use more up-to-date software? | 08:49 |
adhoc | fling: is what you are looking for in back ports ? | 08:50 |
tuxd3v | to get more updated you need to go to ceres | 08:50 |
fling | adhoc: jami | 08:51 |
xinomilo | chimaera has the same version as ceres | 08:51 |
fling | but bewulf has newer version | 08:51 |
xinomilo | ?! | 08:52 |
tuxd3v | how can that be? | 08:52 |
xinomilo | nope | 08:52 |
tuxd3v | ceres is the most up to date | 08:52 |
xinomilo | beowulf has an older version | 08:52 |
xinomilo | https://pkginfo.devuan.org/cgi-bin/policy-query.html?c=package&q=jami | 08:53 |
fling | oh now I see, thanks. | 08:53 |
adhoc | debian buster has; 20190215.1.f152c98~ds1-1, beowulf has 20190215.1.f152c98~ds1-1 | 08:54 |
fling | what is .1.f152c98~ds1-1 about? | 08:55 |
xinomilo | could be git commit reference | 08:55 |
fullofquestions | after a display bug + fixing it with restart, my middle mouse button has a weird function on rolling | 12:27 |
fullofquestions | it hides and unhiddes programs in the taskbar | 12:28 |
gnarface | that's probably expected behavior actually | 12:33 |
fullofquestions | ok, maybe it is and i didn't notice it before | 12:34 |
gnarface | or maybe your alt key is stuck down | 12:34 |
gnarface | or something like that | 12:34 |
gnarface | but it seems normal based on my experience with older window managers; it still counts as a mouse button | 12:34 |
gnarface | there's probably a way to bind it to something else | 12:35 |
onefang | Scrolling mouse wheel on my panel switches between the virtual desktops, so would only show those programs shown in the currently shown virtual desktop. YMMV | 12:35 |
rrq | on xfce4 you'll find a tick box on the accessibility tab of the "Window Manager Tweaks" setting dialogue, to untick. | 12:39 |
fullofquestions | alt seems fine, f1 and f4 were a little stuck by fine now. I don't mind it actually, was just wondering if it was something persisting from the display bug since during that it was the first time i noticed it | 12:40 |
gnarface | nah, if i mousewheel with the cursor over a window titlebar in enlightenment, it shades & unshades the window | 12:41 |
gnarface | it's very common for these to be bound to stuff they wouldn't be in windows | 12:41 |
fullofquestions | yeah it also works that way | 12:42 |
gnarface | "esoteric mouse button usage" is a very common sticking point for users making the transition | 12:42 |
fullofquestions | plus when windows are minimized, it has the function I first described | 12:43 |
gnarface | it won't necessarily do the same thing if you change to a different window manager | 12:43 |
fullofquestions | makes sense | 12:44 |
fullofquestions | How well would a virtual machine like qemu (or whatever other, preferable option) would handle old-ish (5-20 years old mostly) windows programs? Would I also need windows drivers for it to work? | 13:04 |
adhoc | fullofquestions: we used to use bochs for that sort of thing | 13:37 |
adhoc | fullofquestions: hardware support is the real questions, what hardware do you want to emulate/simulate ? | 13:39 |
fullofquestions | probably win7 64bit | 13:40 |
fullofquestions | i had that and it run all those programs fine | 13:40 |
fling | >> NOTE: The next release will be the 28th May. NOTE2: client-gnome is now deprecated and jami-qt should be used | 16:10 |
fling | https://git.jami.net/savoirfairelinux/ring-client-gnome/-/wikis/Changelog | 16:10 |
fling | Will qt client get packaged instead? | 16:10 |
fling | https://git.jami.net/savoirfairelinux/jami-client-qt | 16:10 |
fling | Is it a bad idea to add this to sources.list? -> https://dl.jami.net/nightly/debian_10/ jami main | 16:12 |
fullofquestions | can i somehow csee a log of this chat? | 16:13 |
fullofquestions | see* | 16:13 |
gnarface | the link is in the channel topic | 16:13 |
fullofquestions | ty | 16:14 |
fling | jami : Depends: libappindicator3-1 (>= 0.4.90) but it is not installable | 16:21 |
fling | Depends: jami-daemon (= 20210503.1.f692e28~dfsg1-1) but 20210112.2.b757bac~ds1-1 is to be installed | 16:21 |
DPA | /lib/init/init-d-script is pretty neat for writing very short / simple init scripts, but I've run into a few bugs with it: | 16:26 |
DPA | 1) Checking the status ignores the pidfile, as the option arguments must come before the positional arguments, on that line: `status_of_proc "$DAEMON" "$NAME" ${PIDFILE:="-p ${PIDFILE}"}` . | 16:26 |
DPA | (Because of that, it just assumes /var/run/$PROGNAME.pid instead) | 16:26 |
DPA | 2) For python3 scripts, stopping them fails. This is probably because the script name isn't the process name (which is "python3"). (That may also mess up the exec check). | 16:26 |
DPA | Removing --name and --exec from that start-stop-daemon command in /lib/init/init-d-script works, but probably isn't quiet the right thing to do. | 16:26 |
fullofquestions | I created a forum thread for my questions to avoid spamming here https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?id=4327 | 16:36 |
fling | I installed libjsoncpp1 from ubuntu 20.04 | 16:40 |
* fling feels dirty | 16:40 | |
fullofquestions | Is it a known bug or something on my end that changing some clock properties hides it and you have to add a new one to the panel? | 16:57 |
luser978 | xfce4? | 16:59 |
fullofquestions | I think so, the default | 17:00 |
fullofquestions | I've changed a couple minor things (like color) but I think the same happens with every combo I've tried it on | 17:01 |
fullofquestions | And when the installation was completely fresh as well | 17:01 |
luser978 | fullofquestions: I have not met your problem. | 19:14 |
fullofquestions | try changing the default Clock Options - Format to something else. This is one of the things that hiddes the clock for me (only a tiny bar remains) and empties all it's settings. Only fix is re-adding the clock. | 19:25 |
luser978 | ah. | 20:28 |
rwp | DPA, The init-d-script is useful for most compiled daemons but isn't perfect for edge cases. It was an attempt to make it easier (declarative) for the 99.44% case that people were complaining about. | 23:35 |
rwp | In those other cases such as interpreted programs where the names don't match it is good just to write a standard init script and do the right thing there. | 23:36 |
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