peebowo | when your installing devuan, how can you choose your init system? | 06:05 |
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gnarface | peebowo: first of all, make sure it's not the live installer. | 06:07 |
peebowo | oh | 06:07 |
peebowo | ok | 06:07 |
gnarface | you might also have to select "expert mode" but i'm not sure about that | 06:08 |
peebowo | alright, thanks for the help | 06:08 |
gnarface | no problem, scan the early questions in expert mode for the "load additional installer components" section (not sure if that comes up if you're not in expert mode) i think it is in there | 06:08 |
peebowo | what iso should i pick from the website? | 06:09 |
gnarface | one of the netinstall ones is usually ideal unless you are trying to install to an airgapped system | 06:09 |
peebowo | thanks again lol | 06:09 |
gnarface | no problem | 06:09 |
peebowo | bye! | 06:10 |
rwp | gnarface, The standard installer will have a dialog question where it asks for choice of init system. It's in the standard install flow. | 07:45 |
gnarface | noted | 07:56 |
gnarface | i've just never actually run an install in non-expert mode on purpose | 07:56 |
gnarface | that is to say that i've never completed one sober that i can recall | 07:56 |
gnarface | so i just frequently caveat my advice with that | 07:56 |
gnarface | to be in expert mode because i'm not sure what questions are not asked outside of that | 07:57 |
rwp | I normally run the standard flow. However have on occasion run the Expert flow. I don't remember the reasons either way now. But the standard flow has everything. | 08:06 |
golinux | rwp: There are differences | 08:17 |
golinux | in choices | 08:17 |
golinux | If you would like to select an alternate bootloader (lilo) or exclude non-free firmware, you must choose "Expert install" under Advanced options. | 08:18 |
golinux | Screenshots here: https://www.devuan.org/os/documentation/install-guides/beowulf/install-devuan | 08:21 |
rwp | golinux, I know there are differences. But init question is in the standard flow and it is not necessary to use the expert install to get that dialog question. | 08:57 |
adhoc | that is handy to know | 08:59 |
sissle | Hi there, got a brend new corsair 512 GB Stick, but refracta2usb doesn't recognize it :( It has a 4GB Fat 32 primary partition, bot no recognition | 12:54 |
sissle | Any ideas why refracta2usb doesn't recognize the stick, is it due to size? | 12:58 |
fsmithred | sissle, it doesn't see it at all? | 13:07 |
sissle | correct | 13:07 |
sissle | I can open it with gparted with no probs | 13:07 |
fsmithred | /usr/sbin/hwinfo --usb --short|grep "/dev/sd"|awk '{print $0}' | 13:08 |
fsmithred | that's the comman it uses to find the usb. Try it in terminal and see what it says. | 13:08 |
sissle | Its a bit complicated, is on other laptop | 13:08 |
sissle | moment | 13:08 |
fsmithred | also look in ~/.refracta2usb/snapshot2usb.log | 13:09 |
sissle | /usr/sbin/hwinfo --usb --short|grep "/dev/sd"|awk '{print $0}' shows nothing, /usr/sbin/hwinfo --usb --short shows Corsair Voyager as disk? | 13:12 |
fsmithred | no /dev/sd? | 13:14 |
sissle | no | 13:14 |
tsadok | What does dmesg say? | 13:14 |
xinomilo | maybe not sdX but something else? is it mounted? df -h? | 13:15 |
sissle | it's not mounted, dmesg says | 13:17 |
tsadok | But does it say what the device file is? | 13:18 |
xinomilo | what does gparted open? what's the device name there? | 13:18 |
sissle | scsi 6:0:0:0: Direct access Corsair Voyager GTX | 13:18 |
sissle | attached as scsi generic sg0 ....?? | 13:19 |
tsadok | So /dev/sg0 ? | 13:19 |
fsmithred | no, mine says sg5 there, and it's /dev/sde | 13:20 |
tsadok | Ah. | 13:20 |
fsmithred | on the next line | 13:20 |
sissle | I don't get it :( | 13:20 |
tsadok | So /dev/sga maybe. Possibly. | 13:20 |
tsadok | If it got a device name assigned. | 13:21 |
sissle | how to check that? | 13:21 |
fsmithred | gparted | 13:21 |
tsadok | Which occasionally doesn't happen for weird reasons, though gparted's ability to open it would be unexpected then. | 13:21 |
sissle | in gpartd it sda | 13:25 |
fsmithred | oh, this is interesting. I just plugged in a usb hard drive (2T) and it shows up in dmesg but not with hwinfo | 13:25 |
tsadok | sissle: Ok, so /dev/sda is the device file then. | 13:25 |
sissle | nice that this an interesting challenge ;) | 13:26 |
fsmithred | did you boot live usb? Or is there no hard drive? | 13:26 |
fsmithred | and /dev/sda should have shown up in refracta2usb. | 13:26 |
sissle | there is a SSD (sdb) and on the stick is actualy an iso I wrote to it with etcher to test if the stick is working in any way, so I will create now an 4 GB FAT 32 on it (Marker boot (lba?)) | 13:27 |
fsmithred | just need to have boot flag on it | 13:28 |
sissle | should i refresh the partitiontable (msdos)? | 13:29 |
fsmithred | I just re-partition with gparted | 13:29 |
fsmithred | I only mess with the partition table if I zeroed the beginning of the usb stick | 13:30 |
sissle | So now I have a 4 GB fat32 boot partition, rest unallocated | 13:32 |
sissle | reboot without stick | 13:34 |
sissle | same :( | 13:34 |
fsmithred | yeah, for some reason hwinfo isn't seeing the device | 13:34 |
fsmithred | I'm getting the same with my usb hard drive | 13:34 |
sissle | in gpartd its now sdb | 13:34 |
fsmithred | ok, so here's how to hack the script so it works. gimme a sec. | 13:35 |
sissle | every time u need, glad u help me :* | 13:35 |
fsmithred | ok, as root... | 13:38 |
fsmithred | nano +159 /usr/bin/refracta2usb | 13:38 |
sissle | yessir | 13:39 |
fsmithred | Tell me if you're on a line that starts with "device=$($DIALOG --width=400 --height=200 --center --title="$TITLE" | 13:39 |
sissle | rcorrect | 13:39 |
fsmithred | or if you see it nearby | 13:39 |
fsmithred | cool | 13:39 |
sissle | <:D | 13:39 |
fsmithred | comment out that line (begin the line with #) | 13:39 |
sissle | yep | 13:39 |
fsmithred | also to the next few lines to inclued the if/fi that has the exit 0 in it | 13:40 |
fsmithred | looks like total of 5 lines here | 13:40 |
fsmithred | then on the blank line, put the following | 13:40 |
fsmithred | device="/dev/sdb" | 13:40 |
sissle | with --$BUTTON... as well commented | 13:40 |
fsmithred | yeah | 13:41 |
fsmithred | note that this will only work if the device is really /dev/sdb | 13:41 |
fsmithred | and could totally mess up your system if it's wrong | 13:42 |
sissle | thx 4 warning | 13:42 |
sissle | but this is quite dirty, isn't it :P | 13:42 |
fsmithred | we're just hard-coding the device instead of selecting it from a list | 13:43 |
sissle | O i've overseen the /dev/sdb :O | 13:43 |
sissle | I'll write it in, makes suddnly all sense | 13:44 |
fsmithred | overseen/overlooked | 13:44 |
sissle | hmmm...same | 13:46 |
fsmithred | you saved the script after changing the lines? | 13:47 |
sissle | yes, just in again | 13:48 |
fsmithred | you're right. It doesn't work. | 13:48 |
fsmithred | not sure why. | 13:48 |
fsmithred | oh | 13:49 |
fsmithred | there's a test above that | 13:49 |
fsmithred | I think you can ignore the warning. | 13:49 |
fsmithred | just select the task you want | 13:49 |
fsmithred | maybe not | 13:50 |
sissle | nope :( | 13:50 |
sissle | "No device was selected" | 13:50 |
fsmithred | yeah | 13:52 |
fsmithred | comment out lines 153-156 | 13:52 |
sissle | in original format? | 13:53 |
fsmithred | if [[ -z "$usbdevfullist ]]... | 13:53 |
fsmithred | down to "fi" | 13:53 |
fsmithred | four lines | 13:53 |
fsmithred | seems to work now. | 13:55 |
sissle | yes, great :D | 13:55 |
fsmithred | tested by selecting "Format" and gparted opened with the right disk | 13:55 |
sissle | oh, ok, I'll test that | 13:55 |
fsmithred | yeah, that way you can be sure you have the right disk | 13:56 |
sissle | hmm gparted says Could not stat device /dev/sdb | 13:57 |
fsmithred | fdisk -l | 13:57 |
sissle | no /dev/sdb, stick in and out | 13:59 |
sissle | there it is | 13:59 |
fsmithred | ? | 13:59 |
fsmithred | is it sdc now? | 13:59 |
sissle | no, /dev/sdb and gpartd finds the right one | 14:00 |
fsmithred | ah, ok | 14:00 |
fsmithred | I need food. I'll be back in a few minutes. | 14:01 |
sissle | I'm writig an snapshot, till later "Mahlzeit!" | 14:01 |
fsmithred | back | 14:10 |
sissle | wb | 14:10 |
sissle | could write snapshot.iso, but it didn't boot to end, no user login... | 14:10 |
sissle | where can i get refracta-lang | 14:11 |
sissle | I#ll update my system then, create new snapshot and retry it | 14:12 |
fsmithred | https://sourceforge.net/projects/refracta/files/Extras/refracta-lang_1.1.deb/download | 14:12 |
sissle | thx | 14:13 |
sissle | sorry for my dumbness | 14:13 |
fsmithred | what dumbness? | 14:14 |
sissle | to find the file myself | 14:15 |
sissle | Should I create a new snapshot or re-squash it will do it? | 14:18 |
fsmithred | depends on what changes you made | 14:22 |
fsmithred | re-squash is needed if you edited things in $work_dir | 14:23 |
sissle | Thx, I'm creating a new, 'clean' one | 14:23 |
fsmithred | whole run is needed if you changed stuff in the source system | 14:23 |
sissle | you're very polite, thx again 4 ur time | 14:24 |
fsmithred | yw | 14:24 |
fsmithred | I like my stuff to work. | 14:24 |
sissle | Great spirit :) | 14:25 |
sissle | I relize that refracta2usb is 'just' a bash script, right? | 14:25 |
fsmithred | yup | 14:28 |
fsmithred | some functions are in separate files in /usr/lib/refracta2usb | 14:29 |
sissle | Damn, doesn't boot, black screen | 14:29 |
fsmithred | did you get a boot menu? | 14:29 |
sissle | Authentication failure wircd? | 14:30 |
fsmithred | wicd? | 14:30 |
sissle | yep | 14:31 |
sissle | boot menu shows up, many lines till Authentication | 14:31 |
fsmithred | you made a snapshot of a system that has your wireless credentials? | 14:32 |
sissle | I thought yes | 14:32 |
fsmithred | and you didn't set it to keep those creds. | 14:32 |
fsmithred | I think it's in the config file | 14:32 |
sissle | I'm not sure, it just works on boot, so I guess yes | 14:32 |
fsmithred | netconfig_opt="ip=frommedia" | 14:34 |
fsmithred | uncomment that line in /etc/refractasnapshot.conf to include your wireless logins in the iso | 14:34 |
fsmithred | also preseves /etc/network/interfaces | 14:34 |
sissle | what happens then when booting on an other pc with wicd? | 14:35 |
sissle | how to config in devuan beowulf xfce the wifi? Didn't find anything :o | 14:36 |
fsmithred | if the iso has the right firmware for the other pc, then wireless will work. | 14:37 |
sissle | can't I just deactivate on boot? | 14:37 |
fsmithred | if you set up persistence, you'll run into issues with the network device changing | 14:37 |
fsmithred | oh, probably. I'd have to think about how to do that. | 14:38 |
sissle | hm, sounds unpleasant, wanted to create my personal usb-pc takeaway | 14:38 |
fsmithred | I usually do that by putting personal stuff in the persistent volume, which is encrypted. | 14:39 |
sissle | thats my plan too | 14:39 |
fsmithred | then there's always the fallback read-only system with no personal data | 14:39 |
fsmithred | if you want to be able to boot without wicd running, you could turn it off in the default runlevel | 14:41 |
fsmithred | then change runlevel when you want to run it | 14:41 |
fsmithred | or do stuff manually | 14:41 |
sissle | I don't find any wifi / network gui editor in xfce | 14:42 |
fsmithred | I need to go out in a few minutes | 14:42 |
fsmithred | it's in wicd | 14:42 |
fsmithred | preferences. Click on the triangle/arrow in the upper right | 14:42 |
fsmithred | or expand to full screen to see it | 14:42 |
sissle | how to open wicd? From bash? | 14:42 |
fsmithred | also a button for settings with each wireless signal it sees | 14:43 |
fsmithred | in Network in the apps menu | 14:43 |
fsmithred | sorry, Internet | 14:43 |
sissle | i dont have there network, only firefox | 14:43 |
fsmithred | is wicd installed? | 14:43 |
fsmithred | wicd-gtk | 14:44 |
sissle | not yet, installing | 14:45 |
sissle | aah | 14:45 |
sissle | do I still have to uncomment the line in the conf now? | 14:46 |
fsmithred | no | 14:46 |
fsmithred | not if you're going to set up persistence | 14:46 |
fsmithred | boot with persistence, set up network there | 14:46 |
sissle | but I've to create a new snapshot | 14:46 |
sissle | Thanks 4 all ur help. Have a nice day | 14:47 |
fsmithred | yeah, for wicd-gtk to exist | 14:47 |
fsmithred | good luck | 14:47 |
sissle | same 2 u | 14:47 |
sissle | @fsmithred: again the authentication failure wicd | 15:25 |
sissle | Hi there, I still trie to boot a beowulf 3.1.1 (original and modified .iso) usb stick. I'm stuck in an authentication failure on boot up with wicd. All tries (ip=frommedia), taking an original .iso didn't work. Any ideas? | 17:27 |
gnarface | you're not able to try a ethernet?? | 17:30 |
sissle | it does not show a login | 17:30 |
sissle | its hanging at starting wicd | 17:30 |
gnarface | well, i don't know what's wrong with it, but if you can use ethernet maybe you can update and that will fix it | 17:31 |
gnarface | you're sure you have the firmware for this wifi device if it needs firmware? that might be something else you'd have to get by ethernet | 17:31 |
gnarface | well, it might be on that cd, i don't know for sure | 17:32 |
sissle | I tried several iso, all made with refracta2usb | 17:32 |
gnarface | i see... what is the wifi device? | 17:33 |
sissle | good question | 17:33 |
sissle | I boot ... | 17:33 |
gnarface | it should show up with the output of lspci or lsusb | 17:33 |
gnarface | it should also show up in dmesg but it would be harder to find | 17:34 |
sissle | Network controller Intel Centrino Advanced-N 6205 | 17:36 |
sissle | Ethernet: Intel 82579LM | 17:36 |
gnarface | https://wiki.debian.org/WiFi | 17:36 |
gnarface | https://wiki.debian.org/iwlwifi | 17:37 |
sissle | In the installed beowulf wifi works fine | 17:37 |
sissle | only usb boot doesn't work | 17:38 |
gnarface | https://pkginfo.devuan.org/cgi-bin/policy-query.html?c=package&q=firmware-iwlwifi | 17:38 |
gnarface | my assumption is that you're missing this package | 17:38 |
gnarface | or it might just not be a new enough version | 17:39 |
sissle | as said, wifi on the locally (HDD) installed system works, firmware... is installed | 17:40 |
fsmithred | sissle, do you get the error message when the desktop is trying to come up? | 18:00 |
fsmithred | did you change the user name from "user" to something else, and if so, is there a username=something in the boot command? | 18:01 |
sissle | wb, good point | 18:41 |
sissle | It Works :O | 18:46 |
daemon | hey all is there an rc method to simply reset a postgresql server database to blank | 18:49 |
daemon | well as if it was brand new | 18:49 |
sissle | sudo apt-get purge postgresql then reinstall? | 18:53 |
aitor_ | hi | 20:58 |
aitor_ | today i uploaded new images of gnuinos: | 21:00 |
aitor_ | https://www.gnuinos.org/Beowulf/ | 21:00 |
aitor_ | some minor changes in the packaging of vdev; now the images work fine in virtualbox | 21:01 |
aitor_ | but not so good with qemu... i'm still working on that | 21:02 |
aitor_ | the images also include the Hopman project, you'll find the icon of hopman in tint2 | 21:04 |
aitor_ | be careful with your data during your tests | 21:07 |
aitor_ | an issue with uefi has been fixed too | 21:08 |
aitor_ | bbl | 21:10 |
Hurgotron | xfce on beowulf here - is it supposed to ask for the password all the time when e.g. mounting CDs or USB drives via the desktop? My old system didn't... | 21:56 |
fsmithred | Hurgotron, no it should not ask for those things. Make sure you have policykit-1-gnome | 22:12 |
Hurgotron | fsmithred: I do. | 22:40 |
fsmithred | elogind, libpam-elogind, udisks2, gvfs-backends | 22:41 |
Hurgotron | all of that, except gvfs-backends - just gvfs. But that works on the virtually identical old machine just fine. | 22:43 |
Hurgotron | fsmithred: looks like a policykit issue to me. Responsible for mount is the entry org.freedesktop.udisks2.filesystem-mount in /usr/share/polkit-1/actions/org.freedesktop.UDisks2.policy | 23:01 |
Hurgotron | but the action <allow_active>yes</allow_active> does not work for me. | 23:01 |
Hurgotron | <allow_inactive> yes is also not enough. Only if I set <allow_any> to yes it works as expected | 23:02 |
Hurgotron | The old system didn't have that... | 23:02 |
fsmithred | <allow_any>auth_admin</allow_any> | 23:02 |
fsmithred | <allow_inactive>auth_admin</allow_inactive> | 23:02 |
fsmithred | <allow_active>yes</allow_active> | 23:02 |
fsmithred | that's what I have in beowulf | 23:02 |
Hurgotron | Same, on the old system and before I started debugging. | 23:03 |
fsmithred | I did not change any of that and mounting external media works for user | 23:03 |
Hurgotron | Same :) Still, on the new system i need to have <allow_any>yes</allow_any> (well, just for testeingmt he issue is something else of course) | 23:04 |
fsmithred | new system is beowulf or chimaera? | 23:04 |
Hurgotron | beowulf | 23:05 |
fsmithred | oh, there's a second section that allows differently | 23:05 |
Hurgotron | I diff'd all pof polkit - it's identical | 23:06 |
fsmithred | first two are the same, third one is | 23:06 |
fsmithred | <allow_active>auth_admin_keep</allow_active> | 23:06 |
fsmithred | oh, this file just keeps on going | 23:07 |
Hurgotron | maybe the authentication agent is broken or something,,, | 23:07 |
fsmithred | more likely something is missing. | 23:07 |
fsmithred | unless it's just broken in your system | 23:08 |
Hurgotron | fsmithred: unfortunately my experience debugging policykit is limited | 23:08 |
fsmithred | same here | 23:08 |
Hurgotron | Thought so... anyone else? :) | 23:09 |
fsmithred | maybe loginctl says something useful | 23:10 |
fsmithred | loginctl session-status | 23:11 |
fsmithred | I have no idea if this will help | 23:11 |
Hurgotron | It does, good one. | 23:11 |
Hurgotron | loginctl session-status | 23:12 |
Hurgotron | Could not get properties: Caller does not belong to any known session | 23:12 |
fsmithred | oh | 23:12 |
fsmithred | no display manager? | 23:12 |
Hurgotron | which explains a lot | 23:12 |
Hurgotron | Slim. it's a really standard setup | 23:12 |
Hurgotron | not sure what I fucked. | 23:13 |
Hurgotron | ah I can think of something... | 23:13 |
fsmithred | maybe run that pam thing | 23:13 |
fsmithred | if I can remember it | 23:13 |
Hurgotron | I canged the hostname at some point. But several reboots ago | 23:13 |
fsmithred | pam-auth-update | 23:13 |
fsmithred | I have Unix auth and elogind checked in that. | 23:19 |
fsmithred | you changed in /etc/hostname and /etc/hosts? | 23:20 |
Hurgotron | yes... | 23:21 |
Hurgotron | pam-auth-update looks the same here | 23:22 |
fsmithred | I think someone may have posted about getting slim to play nice with sessions at the forum recently, but I don't know who or what thread. | 23:23 |
fsmithred | another possible solution is to install lightdm | 23:23 |
fsmithred | afk | 23:26 |
Hurgotron | http://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?id=4034 I guess | 23:27 |
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