libera/#devuan/ Saturday, 2021-05-29

XenguyPoll:  Has anyone tried installing Doom Emacs at all?04:04
xrogaanyes?04:05
xrogaanI compile emacs myself too.04:05
xrogaanXenguy: why do you ask?04:05
XenguyJust curious really.  I've been running Spacemacs for awhile now, and thought it might be fun to see how the other half lives04:11
XenguyIs Doom snappier than Spacemacs (if you've used Spacemacs) ?04:11
xrogaanNever used spacemacs04:46
xrogaanI just hopped into doom, and disabled evil mode.04:46
tuxd3vXenguy, i felt temped, after seeing some videos about it :)04:59
tuxd3vpeople do everything via emacs crazy :)04:59
tuxd3vI like it!04:59
Xenguyxrogaan, To each their own way, you like the non-evil way : -)06:08
Xenguytuxd3v, Yeah, it's like it's own little/large universe06:09
onefangOr as others have called it - Emacs is an operating system that needs a good text editor.08:13
luser978doom emacs has a start screen with a portal and a faulty blinking fizzling fluorescent lamp?13:51
Xenguy.oO( Obscure reference perchance? )14:09
XenguyOr perhaps not impressed.  Ambiguity readings are off the charts14:11
luser978Obscure? references to Doom opening screen are obscure, it's all underground, in poorly lit tunnels :)17:45
tallshipSo what's the status of this chan, or rather, ##devuan on freenode? Everything from #devuan is forced  to ##devuan there is a chanop there.22:37
masontallship: This is the correct place to be now.22:38
tallshipIs the "#" devuan channel going to be reclaimed or is it just going to remain with the "##".22:38
hagbardThe channels on freenode are obsolete.22:38
tallshipmason: I see dresden is a chanop there in the ## chan but he's not here.22:38
tallshipI'll go ahead and part from that chan then.22:39
masontallship: Freenode no longer has relevant to the project. We'd like for the Freenode channels to disappear but the Freenode folks are doing some funny things to confuse people into thinking Freenode still has relevance for the projects that have left.22:39
masontallship: Yeah, this is the official place to be from now on. It's all unfortunate, but all the people here are the people that *were* there a couple weeks back.22:40
tallshipSo...Dresden (chanop there) isn't one of us?22:40
tallshipRegardless, this  is the place so I'll part from there forever lol22:40
golinuxNew freenode staff has "acquired" all Devuan channels.  None of us has ops there anymore afaik22:41
masontallship: Yeah, it's unclear who Dresden is.22:42
tallshipYeah I just closed that out. I had a weird vibe.22:42
tallshipThat's some freaky shizzle22:42
joergtallship: the ##devuan on freenode is sort of pirated channel not supported by devuan. The #devuan channel got hijacked by hostile FN staff action23:16
joergtallship: nope, Dresden is a rather hostile random dude with no relationship to the devuan project23:18
joergwhen I chatted with Dresden, they sounded like they rather hate the Devuan folks, so the topic of that channel probably should be "official devuan haters' channel" rather than "unofficial Devuan channel"23:21
joergWe can't forbid FN staff to do this, but there's absolutely no support for FN by Devuan folks anymore and we strongly recommend you come here and don't assume *anything* on FN was legitimate any longer https://www.devever.net/~hl/freenode_abuse223:25
UsLSo, this is were you all went. I'm gone two weeks on a hike and all corporate hell breaks out.23:25
joerghehe23:26
joergWB!23:26
UsL: ) Thx!23:26
joergIf you want to do the Devuan project a favor, mention the fact the project moved to liberachat before you leave freenode ##devuan :-D23:27
UsLhad some catching up to do to say the least. Level1Techs had a piece about it and I had to do a double take. He said what now?23:27
joergso ther users get aware too of what's going on23:27
UsLI think there are only zombies left there.23:28
joerggood23:28
byzandulaso much craziness.23:30
joergfor reference: http://reisenweber.net/irclogs/freenode/_devuan/_devuan.2021-05-29.log.html#t2021-05-29T22:42:1623:34
masonHey, I'm green there - my favourite colour!23:35
lightbringer## means it's unofficial23:35
lightbringerit has the same meaning on this network23:35
joergyep, sort of23:40
joergyou however could argue that forwarding users to ##devuan when they try to join #devuan is offical hijacking of the registered Devuan namespace by rogue FN staff23:41
joergwhich I heard some companies that suffered same fate on FN are looking into legal measures against it, seeking for damage compensation and C&D, whatever seems appropriate. Obviously Devuan isn't interested or in a position to do so, but I hope those companies will succeed23:44
byzandulaI hope lessons are learned from this23:44
lightbringerit was indeed an extremely stupid move23:45
joergbyzandula: yep, seems lesson learned https://libera.chat/bylaws23:46
byzandulajoerg: Thanks. That is good to see.23:49
joergre "forwarding" also see the last section "Conclusions -> Privacy implications" in http://reisenweber.net/irclogs/freenode/_devuan/_devuan.2021-05-29.log.html#t2021-05-29T22:42:1623:50
joergdamn23:50
joergre "forwarding" also see the last section "Conclusions -> Privacy implications" in https://www.devever.net/~hl/freenode_abuse223:50
joergsorry for failed c/p23:50
* redrick is amazingly unamazed that Hugo Landau had to compile a Part 2.23:53
joerghehe23:54
joergI guess this will be one of the never-forgotten events of the century, as the historically worst epic case of "shot your own foot" in history of internet or at least messenger services23:56
joergone commandline, one press of enter key, that in consequence irreversibly destroyed within minutes all the reputation and trust the FN network and its operators earned in 20+ years23:59

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