| Katje | Woo! it is a good day. I deployed 3 servers running devuan into production | 16:24 |
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| Katje | and aside from having to spend 5 mins debugging why eth2 didn't work (spoiler, I plugged the cable into eth3) | 16:24 |
| Katje | perfectly, first time | 16:25 |
| rm | nice! | 16:31 |
| daimon | hey all I just installed pidgin-otr ... the binary name however does not seem to be 'pidgin' is there anyway I can derive the binary it installed from the package | 16:46 |
| daimon | apt binary_name pidgin-otr | 16:46 |
| daimon | or something | 16:46 |
| daimon | ah because -otr is the plugin.. | 16:46 |
| GyrosGeier | dpkg -L package | grep usr/bin | 16:47 |
| GyrosGeier | that should work in most cases :) | 16:47 |
| daimon | cheers :) | 16:47 |
| sgage | Synaptic will tell you all the files installed by a package - it is useful sometimes. | 16:47 |
| schillingklaus | synaptics is for gui and mouse fetishists, so I have never used it | 16:49 |
| mason | Katje: Nice, good to hear. | 17:08 |
| sgage | You do not have to be a gui/mouse 'fetishist' to sometimes find a tool useful. | 17:09 |
| sgage | But now we know you're speshul. :-) Seriously, I agree that it is good to use | 17:10 |
| sgage | the command line tools whenever possible. | 17:10 |
| UsL | I've experienced synaptic to sometimes install stuff better than apt or apt-get. I can't remember what it was, but I remember trying with apt first. The package failed. So, remove --purge and then just by a fluke I tried it with Synaptic and then the package worked. Ever since that I'm always a bit weary of apt not doing it's job. But it is so much easier to do stuff in the terminal than click around in the gui. | 17:28 |
| UsL | s/sometimes/one time | 17:28 |
| rm | try aptitude for that | 17:30 |
| rm | doesn't have to be a GUI tool, aptitude has much better dependency resolution than apt or apt-get, too | 17:30 |
| UsL | right. I felt it was something like that. A missing dep | 17:31 |
| brocashelm | isn't apt an ubuntu thing that brought over to debian? | 17:31 |
| fsmithred | no, apt is debian's invention | 17:32 |
| fsmithred | update-notifier is from ubuntu, I think | 17:32 |
| brocashelm | i thought it was shortened from aptitude to apt for "convenience" | 17:33 |
| fsmithred | nope. apt = Advanced Package Manager | 17:33 |
| fsmithred | and it was way ahead of the other distros at the time | 17:34 |
| brocashelm | i see | 17:34 |
| fsmithred | hm | 17:34 |
| fsmithred | maybe I'm not so good with the alphabet | 17:34 |
| brocashelm | advanced package tool, lol | 17:34 |
| fsmithred | thanks, I was drawing a blank | 17:35 |
| UsL | I was like, Tuner.. | 17:35 |
| UsL | no.. | 17:35 |
| UsL | Trrr... | 17:35 |
| fsmithred | Terminal (because I was just reading about terminal fonts) | 17:35 |
| brocashelm | so, it was apt-get first, right? | 17:35 |
| fsmithred | yeah | 17:35 |
| fsmithred | then aptitude, which includes the curses interface | 17:35 |
| fsmithred | oh | 17:35 |
| brocashelm | got it | 17:36 |
| fsmithred | which I think is the next gen from dselect | 17:36 |
| fsmithred | god that was a horror | 17:36 |
| fsmithred | probably because I tried to install debian like I installed suse or redhat. | 17:37 |
| fsmithred | it's easier to just let the installer do its thing and add what I want later | 17:37 |
| schillingklaus | does aptitude work well on devuan? On antix is is almost useless as it does not handle antix's own creations | 17:37 |
| fsmithred | yes, aptitude works on devuan like it does on debian | 17:37 |
| brocashelm | devuan basically is debian | 17:38 |
| fsmithred | if you get stuck with apt or apt-get, try aptitude for alternate solutions | 17:38 |
| brocashelm | minus the systemd | 17:38 |
| brocashelm | you can't get more debian than devuan for any of debian's downstream distros. antix, mx, ubuntu, mint, etc. have all become too "diverse" | 17:39 |
| UsL | antix and mx should base of of devuan isntead. | 17:40 |
| UsL | and help with upstream stuff | 17:40 |
| brocashelm | there are distros based on devuan, though :) | 17:41 |
| schillingklaus | such as refracta, star, miyo,... | 17:42 |
| brocashelm | like refracta (which i use), miyo, michaels devuan edition, virage, etc. | 17:42 |
| brocashelm | https://www.devuan.org/os/devuan-distros | 17:42 |
| brocashelm | so you don't have to strictly use vanilla devuan if you want something based on devuan | 17:42 |
| schillingklaus | refracta is the work of the great fsmithred | 17:43 |
| brocashelm | it's the best one IMO | 17:43 |
| UsL | yeah, seems to know what he's about.. | 17:43 |
| UsL | I might try it on a laptop I was handed. | 17:44 |
| brocashelm | i kept distrohopping back and forth with devuan ascii | 17:44 |
| UsL | it needs a ssd though. Spinning rust is so slooow. | 17:44 |
| brocashelm | but refracta 10 ended that | 17:44 |
| UsL | that hardlt counts as distro hopping, but I know what you mean : ) | 17:44 |
| brocashelm | beowulf was good and that settled it for me when it became stable | 17:45 |
| brocashelm | well, i had some other isos laying around, but i'd been meaning to leave mintbuntu for good because i didn't want systemd.exe | 17:46 |
| UsL | yeah, that reminds me, wonder what micro$oft is announcing the 24th of June. | 17:47 |
| UsL | I think a linux kernel with a windows gui on it.. | 17:47 |
| UsL | systemd == svchost | 17:47 |
| brocashelm | heh | 17:47 |
| UsL | they said the biggest announcement this decade. | 17:48 |
| UsL | what ever it will be, it will probably also be horrible. | 17:49 |
| schillingklaus | maybe systemd coming to windows12? | 17:50 |
| brocashelm | we can talk in #devuan-offtopic | 17:50 |
| yeti | 24th of June? ode day before the ufo report o.O | 17:51 |
| yeti | oNe | 17:51 |
| schillingklaus | some devuan derivatives just add a few default desktop confs and a few themes. Others go quite deep, such as fsmithred's efforts | 17:52 |
| UsL | I'll check it out. Later™ | 17:53 |
| UsL | but sooner though. I'm intrigued. | 17:53 |
| brocashelm | refracta by default doesn't even have pulseaudio installed :D | 17:54 |
| fsmithred | Recommends are excluded. | 17:54 |
| fsmithred | a few are included deliberately | 17:54 |
| schillingklaus | recommends to systemd, pulseaudio, etc? or all recommends in the sense of debian/apt/dpkg? | 17:56 |
| fsmithred | pakcage Recommends | 17:57 |
| fsmithred | keeps the cruft down | 17:57 |
| brocashelm | and i also like that abiword is pre-installed instead of libreoffice | 17:57 |
| fsmithred | and it used to fit on a CD, but no longer. | 17:57 |
| brocashelm | geany is a very good gui-based text editor | 17:58 |
| fsmithred | abiword is so neglected. | 17:58 |
| UsL | libre office is a beast. But it can do it all I guess. | 17:58 |
| schillingklaus | what about gnumeric vs libreoffice-calc? | 17:58 |
| UsL | I like geany a lot. | 17:58 |
| brocashelm | i find abiword + gnumeric + dia to be good enough | 17:58 |
| brocashelm | libreoffice can be "convenient", but at the price of drive space and performance (depending on cpu) | 17:59 |
| schillingklaus | I avoid all gui editors | 18:00 |
| fsmithred | afk | 18:02 |
| golinux | schillingklaus: We were already informed of your proclivities. | 18:12 |
| findow | so many people around here | 18:27 |
| findow | great | 18:27 |
| findow | looks like its worth to install devuan and not be left alone | 18:27 |
| findow | also anyone alive? | 18:29 |
| rm | sure | 18:29 |
| schillingklaus | we are on sleep() | 18:29 |
| findow | sleep or wait() | 18:29 |
| findow | haha | 18:29 |
| findow | cool. coming back after install devuan | 18:30 |
| findow | sysvinit or openrc? | 18:30 |
| findow | i guess runit doesnt make sense if there are no runit based init files | 18:30 |
| findow | i saw there are some on github /runit .. but only freaks go there to replace runit files against the basic files | 18:30 |
| findow | so question is basically sysvinit or openrc.. i guess sysvinit is fine | 18:31 |
| sgage | sysvinit is quite fine. | 18:33 |
| findow | great | 18:35 |
| findow | i think its most simple too | 18:35 |
| golinux | findow: openrc uses sysvinit init files by default. | 18:41 |
| golinux | iiuc, you can find some in various places | 18:41 |
| gnarface | openrc is probably simpler to maintain in its purest form but sysvinit has a lot more support and the debian openrc we inherit is far from openrc in its simplest form | 18:41 |
| gnarface | people run s3 and runit but they typically take even more work to set up the first time just again due to the lack of the amount of legacy support that sysvinit has | 18:42 |
| gnarface | if you plan on changing it a lot anyway, pick whatever you want to learn the most about | 18:43 |
| gnarface | but sysvinit is the one that has been tested with the most things already | 18:43 |
| gnarface | so it's the one least likely to give you problems out of the box | 18:43 |
| findow | i did a few tests yesterday but i couldnt see the benefit of runit or openrc | 18:44 |
| findow | runit was a few seconds faster | 18:45 |
| findow | all of them take the same files rc* | 18:45 |
| gnarface | yea, the benefits of them are really just more about differing workflows for customization | 18:45 |
| findow | so .. i will go with sysvinit | 18:45 |
| findow | yes this i saw.. to make different or customized runlevels | 18:45 |
| findow | and things like that | 18:45 |
| findow | in my opinion.. "keep it simple" | 18:46 |
| findow | i really appreciate this project.. its great | 18:46 |
| findow | i also checked MX and antiX | 18:46 |
| findow | but MX is too bloated and antiX too political :-D | 18:46 |
| gnarface | well, if you have questions someone here usually can answer them if you're patient enough | 18:49 |
| gnarface | response times can slow down a lot | 18:50 |
| gnarface | we don't have a lot of problems to talk about around here | 18:50 |
| gnarface | not problems with the distro, anyway | 18:50 |
| gnarface | the rest of the problems get discussed in #devuan-offtopic | 18:50 |
| findow | Ok thank you | 18:51 |
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