ksx4system | there are no builds for Raspberry Pi nowadays | 01:12 |
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ksx4system | how do I install Devuan nowadays? old image and upgrade? | 01:13 |
ksx4system | official RPi OS no longer allows bullshitd removal :( | 01:13 |
golinux | ksx4system: https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?id=3351 | 01:20 |
ksx4system | golinux, thnx | 01:24 |
ksx4system | ig this is my only refuge | 01:24 |
golinux | :) | 01:25 |
ksx4system | uh | 01:32 |
ksx4system | afaics there's no "flash and go" image nowadays | 01:32 |
fsmithred | http://arm-files.devuan.org/ | 01:39 |
fsmithred | ksx4system, those images are supplied by the community | 01:40 |
ksx4system | fsmithred, thnx :))) | 02:06 |
tuxd3v | ksx4system, "ig this is my only refuge" - welcome my friend! :) | 02:20 |
brocashelm | feels good to not need kde packages anymore. purged them all. kolourpaint got replaced with paint98/xp (wine), okular got replaced with firefox-esr (pdf mode), and soundkonverter got replaced with cdparanoia (cli) | 13:43 |
aaro | brocashelm: now you need to get rid of MS paint -> https://itsfoss.com/open-source-paint-apps/ | 13:59 |
brocashelm | aaro: i tried them all (kolourpaint included) and didn't like them | 14:01 |
* aaro just uses gimp | 14:03 | |
brocashelm | i need a stable program for working with pixel art | 14:03 |
brocashelm | i hate gimp, too | 14:03 |
Xenguy | kolourpaint is my goto for simple use cases | 14:26 |
Xenguy | I wonder if irfanview works in WINE? | 14:27 |
brocashelm | kolourpaint has this consistent zoom bug that keeps going at max (3200%) after one click. i also prefer to see an icon for the pen for better pixel accuracy. this wasn't a problem at all on mspaint (98/xp), and the performance is just fine with wine | 14:31 |
GoatAvenger | I never understood the appeal for KDE; but, apparently some people must dig it.. | 14:45 |
sadsnork | brocashelm, it may not be open source or GNU/Linux native [though either is XP paint), but have you tried Faststone? | 14:45 |
Orion_SA | Xenguy: yes https://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?bShowAll=true&bIsQueue=false&bIsRejected=false&sClass=version&sTitle=&sReturnTo=&iId=7834 | 14:45 |
sadsnork | https://www.faststone.org/FSViewerDetail.htm | 14:45 |
brocashelm | sadsnork: i have not tried it, no. might look into it | 14:51 |
stealth_ | Greetings! Is there a group that specializes in gaming for Devuan ? | 20:45 |
ksx4system | what could be wrong with that init script? it worked fine for years, now it only allows for manual operation (eg. doesn't start service on boot) | 20:50 |
ksx4system | https://paste.mgst.eu/?182dba74386adefd#CrtPnDqSfALdrrHBFVToSX8aT4wUqj66gck35sYVZfGD | 20:50 |
mason | stealth_: There are a number of folks who enjoy games and use Devuan. Steam works well on it. There's no specific gathering place for Devuan gamers though. | 20:51 |
chozorho | I recently installed Steam on Devuan ^^ | 20:51 |
chozorho | I'm impressed that it worked so well... I don't even have good hardware on this machine :D | 20:52 |
stealth_ | @chozorho, I'll try that as well | 20:52 |
ksx4system | update-rc.d lighttpd defaults and update-rc.d lighttpd enable didn't help | 20:52 |
gnarface | stealth_: make sure you use the distro steam package from the repos and not the ubuntu one from their website | 20:55 |
stealth_ | Oh. | 20:55 |
stealth_ | Do I need to enable something in the sources.list? | 20:55 |
gnarface | stealth_: yea. that might be problematic. it's in non-free | 20:55 |
stealth_ | I wish there were more native gaming apps | 20:56 |
gnarface | stealth_: also, if you are on stable (beowulf) and have a nvidia card actually new enough to be supported by modern titles you'll probably need the nvidia drivers from beowulf-backports | 20:56 |
gnarface | and the same rule applies there as with the steam pacakge - use the ones in the repo not the ones from nvidia.com | 20:57 |
gnarface | wine should work though if you need support for current stuff like Battle.net you probably need the one from winehq-staging | 20:57 |
gnarface | (which should work as long as you're careful not to install the dependencies from there too) | 20:58 |
gnarface | (but if you screw it up ... same thing. big mess) | 20:58 |
mason | Oh, I can vouch for that. I don't think Nouveau will be good enough for stuff from Steam. | 20:58 |
mason | I use the proprietary nVidia drivers here, and really only because of Steam. | 20:58 |
gnarface | there are in fact a ton of games in the repo without any particular hardware requirements but they're fairly casual stuff for the most part except for the ioquake3 engine which you have to get maps for elsewhere to make any use of | 20:59 |
gnarface | stealth_: anyway, those should be the important points, i might be able to help if you run into trouble as long as you didn't make too big of a mess already | 21:00 |
gnarface | stealth_: there's really almost nothing about it actually different from debian except that you'll get less misinformation here | 21:01 |
gnarface | stealth_: (though if you have a steam controller there are a couple exceptions i can guide you around) | 21:02 |
gnarface | stealth_: (valve's documentation for the steam controller, such as it is, glosses over a lot of important behavior because systemd just obviates it all by blowing away all the security barriers) | 21:02 |
stealth_ | Cool beans, thanks gnarface. I only have integrated graphics, from Intel and just looking to play native titles and maybe tf2 | 21:03 |
stealth_ | 8th generation | 21:03 |
gnarface | stealth_: ah, that might work without any extra tweaking. if opengl seems to be failing over to software mode make sure you have libgl1-mesa-glx | 21:04 |
ksx4system | https://paste.mgst.eu/?182dba74386adefd#CrtPnDqSfALdrrHBFVToSX8aT4wUqj66gck35sYVZfGD any ideas why this init script simply does not start at boot? worked fine for years on multiple servers, of course update-rc.d lighttpd defaults and even update-rc.d lighttpd enable was done | 21:04 |
stealth_ | Gotcha, thanks @gnarface | 21:05 |
gnarface | ksx4system: didn't look, just a guess; "dpkg-reconfigure dash" and change your boot shell back to bash | 21:10 |
ksx4system | gnarface, never had to change anything to run this one lol | 21:11 |
gnarface | ksx4system: well my hypothesis is based on the fact the default had changed at some point | 21:12 |
gnarface | ksx4system: and you wouldn't be the first | 21:12 |
ksx4system | ? | 21:12 |
gnarface | to run into that problem this month | 21:12 |
ksx4system | oh well | 21:12 |
gnarface | or i guess within the last 30 days-ish, because it's a new month | 21:13 |
gnarface | sorry, time is a blur to me but it just hit someone else in relatively recent memory | 21:13 |
gnarface | wait, are you saying it stopped booting on its own? maybe i misinterpreted your statement | 21:14 |
gnarface | i thought you meant it works on multiple servers but you can't get it working on a new one | 21:14 |
gnarface | if it stopped working in place on a system that received no updates since it last worked, check the system time then check the logs | 21:15 |
ksx4system | gnarface, it stoppen working on brand new system | 21:16 |
ksx4system | it just didn't kick up the service after first reboot | 21:16 |
ksx4system | same version of Devuan, other server - works every single time | 21:17 |
gnarface | double check the dash thing | 21:17 |
gnarface | if the other servers are still booting with bash and this one is not then that is a smoking gun | 21:17 |
gnarface | other than that i'd just have to check the logs | 21:18 |
ksx4system | did that already, absolutely nothing in logs | 21:18 |
ksx4system | that particular init script is ignored as silently as it is possible | 21:18 |
gnarface | what happens if you call it directly like "/etc/init.d/lighttpd start" as root? | 21:18 |
ksx4system | gnarface, manually? works fine | 21:19 |
ksx4system | on boot via rc.local? fails silently the same way | 21:19 |
gnarface | if you run sysv-rc-conf does it show up like the other services? | 21:19 |
gnarface | like the ones that work i mean? | 21:19 |
ksx4system | yes | 21:20 |
gnarface | and this isn't a virtual machine? this is bare metal? | 21:21 |
ksx4system | yup, bare metal | 21:21 |
gnarface | and your'e sure ther'es nothing in any of the logs suspicious, especially /var/log/daemon.log or the output of dmesg right after boot? | 21:21 |
__user | Does it depend on network being started? | 21:21 |
ksx4system | __user, nope | 21:22 |
__user | ERRR | 21:22 |
gnarface | hmm, yea it seems like a network configuration issue could be the case | 21:22 |
gnarface | or a path issue to the docroot | 21:22 |
gnarface | but i'd expect a logged error normally about that | 21:22 |
gnarface | also i'd expect it not to work manually then | 21:22 |
__user | ksx4system: what starting number does it have? | 21:22 |
ksx4system | gnarface, absolutely nothing in /var/log/daemon.log about this particular script | 21:22 |
__user | Sxxlighttpd ? What is xx ? | 21:22 |
__user | ksx4system: look in syslog and see where lighttpd is configured to log, can be elsewhere | 21:23 |
ksx4system | __user, S03 | 21:24 |
ksx4system | __user, it's configured to log where I told it to lol, /var/log/lighttpd | 21:24 |
gnarface | ksx4system: this is beowulf, right? | 21:24 |
ksx4system | gnarface, yup, latest stuff | 21:24 |
__user | S03 is way too early for network imo | 21:24 |
ksx4system | __user, lighttpd doesn't give a fsck about not having network on start :D | 21:25 |
ksx4system | it's just either reachable or not | 21:25 |
gnarface | the lsb headers should preempt the symlink indexes anyway | 21:25 |
ksx4system | mby I'll just try recompiling lighttpd | 21:25 |
__user | ksx4system: depends if it was set to listen on 0.0.0.0 or on a specific address? | 21:25 |
gnarface | as long as they're present and start with "S" i think the lsb priorities override the index #'s | 21:25 |
__user | ksx4system: no, don't recompile, it may not help | 21:25 |
ksx4system | __user, it used to help sometimes | 21:26 |
ksx4system | especially when I was surfing git snapshots instead of stable versions | 21:26 |
__user | This is not voodoo. If it were voodoo, youd use a dead chicken, not recompile anyway. | 21:26 |
ksx4system | lol | 21:27 |
gnarface | ksx4system: can you humor me about the dash thing just for science? | 21:27 |
gnarface | at this point it's unlikely to hurt | 21:27 |
gnarface | and you can change it back just as easily | 21:27 |
ksx4system | gnarface, it wasn't dash thing, I've tried too | 21:27 |
ksx4system | well | 21:30 |
ksx4system | executing lighttpd manually via /etc/rc.local doesn't bring it up too | 21:31 |
ksx4system | wtf | 21:31 |
__user | oh, now we're onto something | 21:31 |
__user | as root? | 21:31 |
ksx4system | as root | 21:31 |
__user | and manually does it? | 21:31 |
ksx4system | nope | 21:32 |
__user | what command did you put in /etc/rc.local exactly? | 21:32 |
__user | can you paste it here? one line? | 21:32 |
ksx4system | yup, it was /opt/lighttpd/sbin/lighttpd -f /etc/lighttpd/lighttpd.conf | 21:33 |
__user | Isn't /opt/lighttpd/sbin/lighttpd a symlink? | 21:33 |
gnarface | this isn't actually the repo version of lighttpd, is it? | 21:34 |
gnarface | that could be part of the issue | 21:34 |
__user | sounds like it's not gnarface | 21:34 |
ksx4system | __user, it's not - lighttpd binary actually lives there | 21:34 |
gnarface | in that case i would also examine build differences | 21:34 |
gnarface | though i'm not sure exactly what i'd be looking for other than just any discrepancies | 21:34 |
ksx4system | gnarface, it's not - I've compiled it from clean lighttpd source just like I did for last 10 years or so | 21:34 |
__user | and if you launch the same command from cli as root, does it start? ksx4system | 21:35 |
gnarface | ksx4system: yea but it's a moving target and the version in beowulf isn't | 21:35 |
ksx4system | __user, manually? myself typing via ssh? yes it works | 21:35 |
ksx4system | via /etc/rc.local? no dice | 21:35 |
__user | ok, can you share the config file? | 21:35 |
__user | paste it | 21:35 |
__user | not on here | 21:35 |
ksx4system | __user, it's like 15 different files lol | 21:35 |
gnarface | paste.debian.net doesn't have ads | 21:36 |
ksx4system | gnarface, I run my own pastebin ;) | 21:36 |
__user | ksx4system: just the /etc/ one | 21:36 |
gnarface | ksx4system: yea, but i'll actually look at paste.debian.net | 21:36 |
ksx4system | __user, let me say that again: I've got like 15 different files in /etc/lighttpd, every single section has its own file for easier editing | 21:37 |
gnarface | ksx4system: does it have a section for increasing log verbosity? | 21:37 |
ksx4system | __user, here's the base file | 21:37 |
ksx4system | https://paste.mgst.eu/?4162f9c56c9f238d#2axqP6LTuZm93u1K4LqHcYTZn4u47tNerqi2jkLGEFSD | 21:37 |
ksx4system | gnarface, surely I could increase verbosity | 21:38 |
__user | what's your setting for "server.systemd-socket-activation" ? | 21:39 |
ksx4system | hmm | 21:40 |
__user | also "server.bind" and "server.use-ipv6" | 21:40 |
ksx4system | if server.systemd-socket-activation not on main file then it's lighttpd default | 21:40 |
ksx4system | server.bind binds to 172.20.20.2 which is IP received by server via static DHCP lease | 21:41 |
__user | default is disabled, or was, when the docs were written | 21:41 |
__user | ksx4system: can you change the binds to 0.0.0.0 and try again? | 21:41 |
ksx4system | __user, why not, one sec | 21:41 |
__user | I think 0.0.0.0 is called * in conf not sure | 21:42 |
ksx4system | it's actually 0.0.0.0 if you want to bind to whatever address server has | 21:42 |
ksx4system | rebooting | 21:43 |
__user | some want * some want 0.0.0.0 | 21:43 |
ksx4system | loooooool | 21:43 |
ksx4system | it worked | 21:43 |
ksx4system | lighttpd started after reboot :) | 21:44 |
__user | congrats. | 21:44 |
ksx4system | ig now it wants 0.0.0.0 instead of exact WAN address lol | 21:44 |
__user | Is your exact WAN address not nat'd in the local net where the server is? | 21:45 |
__user | Or is it a vm and you fumbled the public ip with the admin ip | 21:45 |
__user | ksx4system: to make it work with fixed address, you need to set up a "network up wait loop" because some routers and the like take 5-30 seconds from lan detection to packet forwarding. | 21:47 |
__user | OR schedule server start later if not detected started. | 21:48 |
ksx4system | __user, I run OpenWrt on my router if that helps | 21:49 |
ksx4system | __user, it's local network :) ports are forwarded from WAN connected to router | 21:50 |
joachin | Hello team, just giving a feedback about the chimaera net install. | 22:35 |
luser978 | ksx4system: right, then lighttpd needs the LAN ip or 0.0.0.0 . The wicd starts as S04 here, so, after S03lighttpd, needs to start in S05 instead, dhcpclient runs from wicd | 22:35 |
joachin | the net install is working well. The only inconvenience that I have, it's that the mute mic key is not working in any DE. | 22:36 |
luser978 | ksx4system: it worked before, because systemd-networkmess does "early" kernel dhcp, and opens a security hole with that. | 22:37 |
luser978 | luser978: I'm also user__ | 22:37 |
golinux | luser978: wicd is deprecated in chimaera due to python2 deps | 22:52 |
luser978 | he's on beowulf iirc? | 22:53 |
golinux | Yes, on beowulf. python3 is in chimaera | 23:18 |
brocashelm | i heard it's possible to package python2 for chimaera/ceres, so either a kind soul does that or you could also try connman (gtk or qt uis exist) as an alternative | 23:20 |
ksx4system | luser978, no wicd here :) CLI only system | 23:21 |
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