| chomwitt | in Chimaera LXQt, pacman would access my secondary hdd but now it errs (No such file or directory) | 14:57 |
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| chomwitt | ok, i found it | 15:18 |
| Beagleburt | G'day from Aotearoa/New Zeand everyone! I have a 1x TB HDD & I originally had ~50GB Root Partition & the rest for my Home Partition...BUT the Root Partition became too full to use recently. I checked & the graphs told me that my Home Partition was 100% full - which it wasn't? | 15:45 |
| Beagleburt | So I have just reinstalled | 15:46 |
| Beagleburt | It was a long hassle as I chose to fill the encrypted Partitions - Root & Home - with /dev/random + the Home Partition got filled with 0's - (without me checking the box on installation?! | 15:48 |
| Beagleburt | A WORD TO THE DEVELOPERS - THE EXAMPLE OF A HDD WAS ONLY 8GB. THESE DAYS 1TB+ HDD ARE COMMON. THE 'dd if=/dev/random of=sdX' IS TOO SLOW! HOW ABOUT ADDING 'bs=20MB status=progress' SO THAT YOU DON'T HAVE TO WAIT FOR HOURS + YOU CAN SEE THE PROGRESS? | 15:53 |
| humpelstilzchen[ | please no capslock. status=progress is only available on recent version of dd, probably gnu only | 15:55 |
| Beagleburt | I am shouting at the developers to try & give some frustrated feedback. I have been using status=progress for over a year? | 15:57 |
| manis_ | Beagleburt: could you add some more information? IIRC you can always cancel the overwriting of any partition in the installer without consequences. | 15:58 |
| djph | I think he's just mad because he took some generic example usage of dd and it took a long time. | 15:59 |
| manis_ | Furthermore if it's a d-i issue the feedback should probably go upstream to Debian instead. | 15:59 |
| djph | ... also, using /dev/random ... well, if you run out of entropy, it's going to block until you have entropy. | 16:00 |
| djph | so that's not exactly the fault of the 'dd' example, is it? | 16:00 |
| manis_ | I noticed that, too. | 16:00 |
| Beagleburt | manis_ I did not know that & I was afraid that I would 'brick' the install? | 16:00 |
| manis_ | I don't think it clearly says it in the installer, but I always thought it was kinda obvious that it overwrites disks before it formats them, and the formatter does not care about the previous contents of the disk. | 16:01 |
| Beagleburt | manis_Isn't the Devuan Installer "Refracta" - not, AFAIK, a d-i issue? | 16:02 |
| manis_ | Eeeh, is Devuan not using d-i? | 16:03 |
| manis_ | Granted, I never paid attention but it looks very much like d-i | 16:03 |
| Beagleburt | manis_https://www.devuan.org/os/documentation/install-guides/beowulf/live-gui | 16:05 |
| manis_ | o.O | 16:05 |
| manis_ | Dafuq is this? Never seen that before. | 16:05 |
| Beagleburt | manis_Note 3.1 | 16:06 |
| manis_ | I'm seeing it. | 16:07 |
| manis_ | Ehrm, okay, I didn't even know there was a thing like Refracta. I never use live CDs. | 16:07 |
| gnarface | the live cds aren't the same as the normal installer | 16:08 |
| Beagleburt | manis_I dwnldd the iso & saved to Live USB... | 16:08 |
| Beagleburt | ^^^Live ISO ^^^ | 16:09 |
| gnarface | though i'm sure the live installer will still overwrite everything, if you want control over the partitions you have to use the other installers | 16:09 |
| Beagleburt | gnarface Refracta uses GParted & ?CFdisk? | 16:11 |
| manis_ | TBH I don't even understand why this special snowflake live installer exists. What's the purpose? | 16:11 |
| manis_ | There are so many places where time would be better put than inventing new ways to install Devuan… | 16:11 |
| UsL | you don't know the purpose of a live iso? : ) | 16:11 |
| Beagleburt | So that Windoze users + Linux Newbies can try out Devuan & Install if they like it | 16:12 |
| manis_ | I am not the type of user who needs live ISOs. | 16:12 |
| manis_ | But why can't the live ISO use the regular installer?! | 16:12 |
| brocashelm | like calamares? | 16:12 |
| manis_ | What's the issue with you try it out and when you like it you reboot and select "Install"? | 16:12 |
| manis_ | That would've been 10x more user friendly than putting the user through this live installer crap, if you ask me. | 16:13 |
| manis_ | If you want to offer a live installer at least implement it properly (what I'm seeing in these screenshots is not exactly reassuring) | 16:14 |
| Beagleburt | manis_ No - You use the Live version & any changes you make are automatically added to the install version - which you install from an icon on your Live Desktop... | 16:14 |
| manis_ | What the fuck?! | 16:14 |
| UsL | yeah, it's pretty cool. | 16:15 |
| UsL | Also the refracta snapshot for when you are content with an install. | 16:15 |
| UsL | good stuff. | 16:15 |
| Beagleburt | Usl ✔ | 16:16 |
| manis_ | I've never seen a Linux desktop that actually properly works without any sort of hacks, but hey, sure, 20 million cool "live installers". | 16:17 |
| manis_ | The year of Linux on the desktop will really be, never. | 16:17 |
| gnarface | just use the regular installer and stop whining | 16:17 |
| manis_ | I usually use netboot.tar.gz with a custom built preseed.cfg :-) | 16:18 |
| manis_ | Time is too precious for installers. | 16:18 |
| UsL | I admit I am a bit confused now. Isn't refracta installed with the "normal" installer? | 16:19 |
| UsL | to make snapshots of a working install if you want it? | 16:19 |
| Beagleburt | manis_ A newbie would not know what you are talking about... & don't we all want more Devuan Linux users? | 16:19 |
| Beagleburt | UsL With Devuan Beowulf - 'Refracta' IS the Installer | 16:20 |
| UsL | right. So, now I guess I am curious what manis_ is actually running.. | 16:21 |
| manis_ | UsL: on what? | 16:21 |
| UsL | this here electronic box your typing into | 16:22 |
| manis_ | Different topic: Since the upgrade to chimaera I noticed that if I set the sticky bit on hugetlbfs mounts, the read bit gets unset. Does anybody by chance know more about this? | 16:22 |
| manis_ | UsL: currently I'm running a Mac because $work. | 16:22 |
| * UsL faints | 16:22 | |
| manis_ | The servers are running Devuan, though. | 16:22 |
| manis_ | On my private machines I run Gentoo. | 16:23 |
| UsL | ah, okay | 16:23 |
| Beagleburt | & Yes you can use refracta from the installed version to make a 'Snapshot' of your (modified) system | 16:23 |
| UsL | Beagleburt: phew. Nice, | 16:23 |
| Beagleburt | UsL & then Install that to a USB or burn it to a disk - (IF you have a disk burner...?) | 16:25 |
| UsL | I actually have both just in case. | 16:25 |
| UsL | I never wrote random and zeros onto the disk though. I can imagine it takes a while on spinning stuff. | 16:26 |
| manis_ | Spinning rust is usually fast on sequential access. But writing 1+TB takes time on anything. | 16:28 |
| Beagleburt | UsL Well at a default bs=512MB, it certainly takes a while on a 1x TB disk! That's what I was 'YELLING' about above... | 16:29 |
| manis_ | The hugetlbfs issue I described above seems to be a kernel bug or something. I also spotted it on Alpine Linux. | 16:29 |
| UsL | ah.. | 16:29 |
| UsL | never got so far in my distro hopping. I practically landed on Debian and then onto Devuan. | 16:30 |
| Beagleburt | ^^^ OOPS! the default bs=512Bytes !!! | 16:31 |
| UsL | probably because I read about distros and posix for half a year before I concluded Debian seemed the most sane. But that was 8 years ago now. | 16:32 |
| UsL | I usualyl have 2MB I think. | 16:32 |
| UsL | when dd:ing | 16:32 |
| Beagleburt | I distro hopped for a few years, then I settled on Debian for a long time - until sysstemd....then I read up on both sides of the arguement & settled on Devuan... | 16:33 |
| Beagleburt | UsL When I dd I use bs=20MB | 16:34 |
| UsL | seems we're much a like in that aspect then. Also, I think we strayed into devuan-offtopic now | 16:34 |
| Beagleburt | :-) | 16:35 |
| Beagleburt | I have been struggling to make a Bootable, Live, Persistent USB with several ISO's... time for me to start delving into that task again... | 16:37 |
| UsL | devuan should fit like a glove | 16:39 |
| fsmithred | Some definitions are needed. | 17:10 |
| fsmithred | Refracta - a re-spin distro first based on debian then devuan (for jessie) | 17:10 |
| fsmithred | refractasnapshot - makes a live-iso from the installed (and running) system. | 17:11 |
| fsmithred | refractainstaller - installs the system that's running on a live-CD/DVD/USB | 17:11 |
| fsmithred | the respin and the tools have existed since 2010 | 17:12 |
| UsL | thanks for clarifying, fsmithred | 17:13 |
| fsmithred | there's also refracta2usb to make a multiboot usb, but it's not in the repo. | 17:15 |
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