Soltis | Okay so first weird problem - closing the lid and reopening causes the keyboard to stop responding and mouse gets confined to a small area in the center of the screen. | 00:43 |
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gnarface | sounds like a problem with the video driver failing to resume from suspend properly | 00:52 |
gnarface | or something like that | 00:52 |
gnarface | is it a nvidia card? | 00:53 |
gnarface | you can typically get better behavior out of nvidia cards by using the backports kernel and driver versions | 00:53 |
gnarface | diminishing returns on that for other hardware though... | 00:54 |
gnarface | but i wonder if there might be a way to kick it back into shape just by restarting xorg | 00:54 |
EHeM | Now to see how this is setup versus previous home... | 00:57 |
EHeM | While the source package for the Linux kernel got its security update, the kernel builds didn't get their updates (linux-source was updated, linux-image-* weren't updated). | 00:58 |
gnarface | it's normal for the devuan build servers to be a couple hours or so behind the debian ones | 01:02 |
gnarface | although it's also normal for it to take some time for the binary packages to sync up too, even if they're not the ones being rebuild | 01:03 |
gnarface | rebuilt* | 01:03 |
EHeM | >24 hours at this point, I believe the update was Tuesday. | 01:03 |
gnarface | uh oh | 01:03 |
gnarface | hmmm | 01:03 |
EHeM | Hmm, might merely be linux-image-amd64. | 01:03 |
gnarface | you're using deb.devuan.org in the sources.list? | 01:06 |
EHeM | Also have pkgmaster.devuan.org. | 01:07 |
fsmithred | I got this one today: https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?id=2330 | 01:09 |
fsmithred | nooooo | 01:09 |
fsmithred | shit | 01:09 |
fsmithred | 4.19.0-17-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 4.19.194-3 (2021-07-18) x86_64 GNU/Linux | 01:09 |
EHeM | Hmm, looks like "pkgmaster.devuan.org" is missing linux-image-4.19.0-17-amd64 and the updated linux-image-amd64. | 01:28 |
EHeM | There is also an issue with `lynx https://pkginfo.devuan.org/`. | 01:28 |
Xenguy | EHeM, What's the issue? | 01:43 |
rrq | .. seems to be a spurious "200 OK" header | 01:43 |
EHeM | Xenguy: Try loading (and using) that page with `lynx` instead of your favored browser. | 01:43 |
Xenguy | Interesting, I see source code | 01:44 |
fsmithred | same here, but it works ok in w3m | 01:46 |
Xenguy | Works in 'links' | 01:47 |
Xenguy | EHeM, Thanks for the report BTW | 01:53 |
rrq | .. no, lynx has a problem also without that spurious header... wonder why | 01:54 |
Xenguy | I've noticed that lynx will also complain about 'https' problems, when other text browsers are fine... | 01:55 |
Xenguy | So also not sure | 01:55 |
rrq | it renders the page from a local file.. is there a way to see its headers in lynx? | 01:57 |
Xenguy | \ ? | 01:58 |
Xenguy | or | 01:58 |
Xenguy | = ? | 01:58 |
fsmithred | \ | 02:00 |
fsmithred | except it doesn't | 02:01 |
rrq | there's a -head command lne argument.. but it sees the headers fine. | 02:03 |
rrq | a lynx -dump adds an extra, final newline .. probably just its dump function | 02:05 |
rrq | hmm there's a "\342" character ... | 02:07 |
Xenguy | Wonder if there's an existing bug report? | 02:08 |
Xenguy | Not really sure how to search that out in this case | 02:09 |
rrq | actually utf-8 code ’ | 02:10 |
rrq | nope, not that | 02:13 |
Soltis | gnarface: It's Intel graphics, but it may be an issue with the kernel version being too old, apparently it requires a pretty recent kernel. | 02:26 |
rrq | EHeM: perhaps you could lodge a bug report to debian about lynx; it works fine on a dump of that page but not upon direct connection.. maybe it's unhappy that css is gotten from a different server(?) | 02:40 |
fluffywolf | ... lynx knows css exists? | 02:45 |
rrq | right; probably not the problem... it should know to ignore css | 02:52 |
rrq | .. but I expected it to show an html page the same way as it shows a file that is its own dunp of that page | 02:56 |
fluffywolf | just glancing at it, the bug looks to be the script on the devuan server is not returning a valid content-type header. | 03:05 |
fluffywolf | I'm not sure who's responsible for maintaining that. | 03:06 |
gnarface | Soltis: it's worth trying the backports kernel for newer models of any laptop for sure | 03:08 |
fluffywolf | I think the developer thought that a meta http-equiv would be sufficient, but it is not. | 03:08 |
fluffywolf | who maintains the pkginfo search script? | 03:08 |
* gnarface thought it was Xenguy | 03:08 | |
gnarface | to be fair, there's a lot of misinformation about the validity of using meta tags to override http headers floating around | 03:09 |
gnarface | it's one of the things i fought hardest against before i burned out completely | 03:10 |
fluffywolf | in this case, the server isn't sending back a content-type header at all, and lynx is correctly assuming the result is plain text. | 03:10 |
fluffywolf | while other browsers assume it must be html. | 03:10 |
gnarface | yea, the other browsers actually behave out-of-spec because of bullying by Microsoft | 03:11 |
rrq | fluffywolf: great.. thanks. | 03:12 |
fluffywolf | interestingly, if you hit = twice, it renders it as html. that might be a bug. lol | 03:13 |
fluffywolf | whoops, \ twice | 03:13 |
rrq | got changed now | 03:14 |
fluffywolf | Content-Type: text/html | 03:15 |
fluffywolf | lol | 03:15 |
fluffywolf | or, it got fixed between the two times I hit \. :) | 03:15 |
EHeM | Next issue is it relies on JavaScript and thus Lynx can't do the query. | 03:17 |
fluffywolf | that's probably harder to fix. | 03:18 |
* gnarface would have strongly advised against that too, but was not consulted | 03:19 | |
fluffywolf | does it really use javascript? *checks* | 03:21 |
fluffywolf | it doesn't use javascript, but it lacks a submit button. | 03:23 |
fluffywolf | that's easy to fix. | 03:23 |
gnarface | oh, lynx can't submit a form with the enter key? | 03:23 |
gnarface | another deviation from standard that other browsers have already routed around, i would assume | 03:23 |
gnarface | i wonder if a hidden field named "submit" would be enough to make the enter key submit the form without a button | 03:24 |
fluffywolf | or just have a submit button labeled "submit query" or such, like most forms. | 03:25 |
gnarface | well, that would work obviously but i assumed the lack of a visible button was an artistic choice | 03:26 |
Soltis | gnarface: I'm already running Chimaera; pretty sure that doesn't have a backports repo yet | 03:26 |
gnarface | it should have a submit button, every form is supposed to but it is common for them to be omitted | 03:26 |
fluffywolf | functionality trumps artistic choices. :) | 03:26 |
gnarface | Soltis: yea, that's true. what kernel is it? | 03:27 |
Soltis | gnarface: 5.10 | 03:27 |
Soltis | gnarface: Need at least 5.13 I think. | 03:27 |
gnarface | damn, i'm not sure that's in the repos yet | 03:27 |
gnarface | i think backports is also 5.10 or maybe 5.11 | 03:28 |
Soltis | Yeah, I don't think it is either. | 03:28 |
Soltis | ... how much of a pain is building kernels these days? I haven't done it since circa 2.6 on Slackware. | 03:28 |
gnarface | Soltis: probably easier than it was then | 03:29 |
* fluffywolf pokes whichever person here is maintaining that script | 03:29 | |
gnarface | Soltis: you can probably copy the running config from 5.10 then build it with kernel-package fairly easy | 03:29 |
fsmithred | can't submit a search pattern in w3m, either | 03:29 |
fluffywolf | rather than "push enter", add an <input type="submit">, for better browser support. | 03:29 |
gnarface | you can even <input type="submit" name="submit" value="push enter" /> | 03:30 |
Soltis | gnarface: ... pretend my process back then was hand configuring the entire kernel via `make menuconfig` in a tarball. I've never used a script to do it. | 03:30 |
fluffywolf | a button saying "push enter" is just silly. :P | 03:30 |
gnarface | Soltis: make menuconfig should have an option to load the old config. feed it the one in /boot | 03:31 |
Soltis | Okay. | 03:31 |
Soltis | Ah yes, I do see the config there. | 03:32 |
fsmithred | Soltis, are you making your own new kernel for the xps? | 03:33 |
Soltis | fsmithred: I'm thinking it may be necessary, yes. | 03:33 |
fsmithred | how new do you need? 5.10 in chimaera and ceres | 03:34 |
Soltis | fsmithred: Haven't yet, trying to remember all the steps to do it + not sure if those steps have changed in the past 15 years | 03:34 |
Soltis | fsmithred: 5.13 I believe. | 03:34 |
fsmithred | wow. I think liquorix has 5.12 | 03:34 |
Soltis | The Intel docs have you cloning from a github repo to enable the drivers. | 03:35 |
Soltis | So that is probably the direction I'm going to be going | 03:35 |
* fluffywolf notes the script still says "push enter", scowls at whomever should be fixing it | 03:41 | |
Soltis | ... corporate Linux distros. I feel so dirty inside. | 03:41 |
Soltis | s/distros/repos/ | 03:41 |
rrq | fluffywolf: yeah I'll look at it eventually.. pity though lynx limits its 'return action' to forms of single input elements | 03:44 |
fluffywolf | it's a simple fix... just remove the push enter div and replace it with an <input type="submit">. | 03:45 |
fluffywolf | should work in all browsers. | 03:46 |
fluffywolf | probably more compatible with phone browsers and such too. | 03:46 |
rrq | yes, pretty much... comes with the "alternative cost" of redirecting me :) | 03:47 |
fluffywolf | also, a design note, I really hate the styling of the dropdown box. | 03:47 |
rrq | fluffywolf: thanks... I think I'll need redesign that form .. I'm sure I can make something that everyone hates ;) | 04:02 |
Xenguy | rrq, That could be the ultimate goal of course | 04:03 |
Xenguy | That's a hard problem, haha | 04:04 |
Xenguy | But I digress | 04:04 |
Soltis | I don't recall a kernel taking this long to build even on an Athlon 1000 | 04:04 |
fsmithred | are you using more than one core? | 04:07 |
Soltis | fsmithred: make -j $(nproc --all) targz-pkg LOCALVERSION="-xe-max" | 04:07 |
* fsmithred hasn't compiled a kernel since Athlon 2000 | 04:09 | |
Xenguy | menuconfig is a long ways away in this memory bank ; enjoyed it at the time ... | 04:11 |
fluffywolf | rrq: heh. I like my form elements to look like form elements, not plain text. | 04:12 |
Xenguy | fluffywolf, You should try some pull requests, seems like you have that knowledge | 04:13 |
fluffywolf | specifically, I had absolutely no idea that was a form element, until I loaded the page with lynx. :P | 04:13 |
fluffywolf | I always used make menuconfig too... but it's been a long time. stock kernels have had the features I've needed lately, although it seems I essentially always have to use a backports kernel to get them. | 04:18 |
Xenguy | For a long time I've been using stock kernels too | 04:18 |
Xenguy | It's fun to explore, but it only scaled so far for me | 04:19 |
golinux | I dug out the css for the iso docs | 04:20 |
golinux | PM? | 04:20 |
Xenguy | Sure | 04:20 |
Soltis | Apparently I was smoking crack. There IS a module loaded for this device - I just misread. So .... mouse confined to a rectangular area 1/4 the size of the screen and keyboard unresponsive after closing and reopening laptop lid. Any ideas? | 05:16 |
Soltis | Oh, one other note: this did NOT happen the one time some kind of error prevented the screen lock program from running. | 05:16 |
gnarface | can xrandr change the resolution back? | 05:17 |
Soltis | gnarface: All input methods are unresponsive so I don't know. Even shortcut for killing X fails. Note that the resolution itself is not changed; the screen displays normally at its full resolution, but the mouse can't be moved outside the smaller region in the center of the screen. | 05:20 |
Soltis | I can MOVE the mouse, but I can't click, and keyboard inputs are ignored entirely. | 05:21 |
gnarface | i can't be sure there's a fix for this | 05:22 |
gnarface | you can't ctrl+alt+f2 out to a virtual terminal? | 05:22 |
gnarface | the ctrl+alt+backspace thing is off by default these days, you can re-enable it | 05:23 |
Soltis | Oh, I didn't think I could, but I can - I forgot I had to use Fn to actually do F2 | 05:23 |
Soltis | Not used to laptops. | 05:23 |
Soltis | ... I thought I had enabled it, perhaps not. | 05:23 |
gnarface | i would still try setting the resolution again | 05:23 |
Soltis | Yeah, let's see. | 05:23 |
gnarface | DISPLAY=":0.0" xrandr... | 05:24 |
gnarface | if you're using a graphical login it could complicate this | 05:24 |
Soltis | I'm not. | 05:25 |
Soltis | I'm logged in to the shell | 05:25 |
Soltis | ... just gotta remember how to do this shit. I stopped using desktop Linux in 2007 or so; this is my first foray back into it. | 05:25 |
Xenguy | wb, should be easier now | 05:26 |
gnarface | well you can probably just kill Xorg if you have to to get it back but i was hoping we might be able to find a way to reset it without literally resetting it | 05:26 |
Soltis | Yeah, lemme try xrandr | 05:26 |
gnarface | there is some chance the issue could be related to the compositor but usually it's a bug in power management, sometimes bios related | 05:27 |
fluffywolf | I've had no end of problems with power management, but I've yet to see that specific one. | 05:28 |
gnarface | yea, usually only windows ever gets those fixes | 05:28 |
fluffywolf | refusing to suspend, immediately resuming, or crashing on suspend or resume seem to be the most common ones... | 05:29 |
Soltis | Just doing `DISPLAY=":0.0" xrandr` throws "can't open display :0.0" - and doing `xrandr --listmonitors` just says "can't open display" | 05:30 |
Soltis | ... ugh. | 05:30 |
Soltis | gnarface: Okay so DISPLAY=":0.0" XAUTHORITY=/home/user/.Xauthority xrandr --output eDP-1 --mode 1920x1200 didn't throw an error, but it also didn't change anything. | 05:50 |
gnarface | drat | 05:54 |
gnarface | what if you change it down a size then back up a size? | 05:54 |
gnarface | does the display update visually or does it seem to ignore the change? | 05:54 |
Soltis | If I try any other mode (so far I've tried 5 or so) it says "configure crtc 0 f ailed" | 05:55 |
gnarface | hmm, interesting, it might just be actually froze | 05:56 |
Soltis | Yeah, the only thing that responds is the mouse cursor | 05:56 |
Soltis | It recovers fine if I kill xorg, so at least it's not unrecoverable. | 06:18 |
eyalroz | Does the debian installer save a log somewhere? | 10:47 |
gnarface | i think in /root/ | 10:48 |
gnarface | either there or /var/log/ i thought | 10:49 |
rrq | eyalroz: the installer keeps a /var/log/syslog while installing, but that's in the installer (RAM) file system... you'll need to copy it to /target it before the first reboot | 11:10 |
pandom79 | Can i download a devuan iso runit edition? or How can i switch to runit from a default bootstrap? | 11:16 |
gnarface | i think you just install runit | 11:22 |
fsmithred | that works. | 11:22 |
gnarface | i couldn't speak for how well all the services are supported though | 11:23 |
fsmithred | if you just want to take it for a test drive, I made a live-iso with runit: https://get.refracta.org/files/experimental/refracta_runit_test_amd64-20210614_1136.iso | 11:23 |
fsmithred | there are sample runscripts in the user's home and some have been enabled. | 11:23 |
eyalroz | rrq: Would it not make sense to do so automatically? Or at least do so for non-final-release installers? | 11:37 |
eyalroz | It would have definitely helped me jog my memory regarding what I did exactly during installation. | 11:37 |
rrq | good point.. probably comin in the next build if I can get my development team interested | 11:38 |
eyalroz | rrq: Should I file that idea as a bug against something? | 11:41 |
eyalroz | Anyway, I'm trying to use reportbug for the issues I'm noticing where I believe I can decide which package is to blame. | 11:41 |
rrq | thanks. it's fine without, but maybe useful to possibly garner some othet thoughts on it | 11:42 |
rrq | devuan-installer | 11:43 |
pandom79 | fsmithred: i'll try it. thx ;) | 11:44 |
fsmithred | rrq, eyalroz see /var/log/installer/syslog and other files in the installed system | 11:50 |
rrq | ah, great! | 11:51 |
eyalroz | fsmithred: ... but will this tell me what I chose during intallation? | 11:51 |
fsmithred | not sure | 11:52 |
fsmithred | I'm booting a VM now to look | 11:52 |
eyalroz | What happened to the v4l2ucp package in Chimaera? | 11:53 |
eyalroz | https://pkginfo.devuan.org/cgi-bin/policy-query.html?c=package&q=v4l2ucp | 11:53 |
eyalroz | it's just gone | 11:53 |
Joril | eyalroz: https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=v4l2ucp | 11:53 |
Joril | It looks like it's gone from Bullseye | 11:54 |
eyalroz | Joril: Does anybody know why? | 11:56 |
eyalroz | ... maybe I'll just ask them on their channel. | 11:56 |
aplainzetakind | I can't autostart pulseaudio. Neither with a script fragment in /etc/X11/Xsession.d/ nor from .xinitrc. | 11:56 |
Joril | eyalroz: maybe https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=875221 ? | 11:57 |
fsmithred | aplainzetakind, is it beowulf or chimaera? | 11:57 |
aplainzetakind | beowulf | 11:57 |
fsmithred | did you look in /etc/pulse/ ? | 11:58 |
fsmithred | need to edit the autostart file in there. | 11:58 |
fsmithred | comments tell you what to do. (comment or uncomment a line.) | 11:58 |
fsmithred | autospawn not autostart | 11:59 |
aplainzetakind | I see. | 11:59 |
aplainzetakind | Let's try | 11:59 |
eyalroz | Joril: Thanks. Unfortunately, the upstream github repo has not been updated in 7 years :-( | 12:00 |
fsmithred | I think there might be a package that does it | 12:00 |
fsmithred | debian-pulseaudio-config-override | 12:00 |
aplainzetakind | It worked. Thanks. | 12:01 |
fsmithred | yw | 12:01 |
aplainzetakind | Do you have any idea why I ended up having to launch xmonad with dbus-launch in my .xinitrc in order to enable xmobar to find sockets to work with? | 12:02 |
aplainzetakind | I hadn't had to do that in my previous set-up attempt a couple of days ago (which I broke messing with nvidia drivers). | 12:03 |
fsmithred | no, sorry. I don't know those words. | 12:04 |
aplainzetakind | Xmonad is a wm and xmobar is a status bar. | 12:04 |
aplainzetakind | Shouldn't be particular to them. I somehow didn't have dbus sockets launching my wm. | 12:05 |
aplainzetakind | Using only startx/.xinitrc | 12:05 |
fsmithred | eyalroz, installer/syslog has a list of packages to be installed. You can search through that for package names | 12:06 |
fsmithred | aplainzetakind, does startx work without dbus-launch? | 12:06 |
aplainzetakind | Yes. | 12:06 |
aplainzetakind | dbus-launch only prevents the error from the status bar. | 12:07 |
aplainzetakind | Which is launched by the wm, after xinitrc is done. | 12:07 |
aplainzetakind | I had to change my last line from `exec xmonad` to `exec dbus-aunch xmonad` basically. | 12:08 |
fsmithred | is elogind installed? | 12:08 |
aplainzetakind | Yes. | 12:08 |
fsmithred | all that stuff makes my head hurt | 12:13 |
aplainzetakind | Oh well. I'll just hope it's not a syptom of a significant misconfiguration. | 12:17 |
aplainzetakind | What do I need for usb drives to automount with sane permissions? | 12:18 |
fsmithred | not sure about automount, but pmount or udevil let users mount external drives | 12:19 |
aplainzetakind | Let me check udevil. | 12:20 |
aplainzetakind | udevil just works apparently. | 12:29 |
brocashelm | fsmithred: someone recently did these instructional videos on refracta (but they are in portuguese): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zOFUsqhaxjo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u6q3w9IGnyA | 16:54 |
brocashelm | going through them, looking pretty cool | 16:55 |
brocashelm | cool, i see another new video on devuan premiering in an hour: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9nOfYKC_0YI (not familiar with this channel, but i'm interested in checking this out) | 17:03 |
brocashelm | well, that video (that "premiered") was pointless | 18:33 |
brocashelm | didn't really show off anything; waste of time | 18:33 |
fluffywolf | reset: pkginfo from yesterday, just confirmed it now works fine in lynx. | 19:18 |
fluffywolf | grr, stupid auto completion. that was re: | 19:18 |
man_of_the_ocean | I tried to install Devuan Beowulf. I am using lvm + luks encryption. When I try to boot I get dropped into a grub shell. When I `ls` I cannot see the lvm partitions even after `insmod lvm`. | 22:13 |
gnarface | missing step i think | 22:30 |
gnarface | something about cryptsetup | 22:30 |
gnarface | you have to add a flag to the grub commandline for it maybe? | 22:31 |
gnarface | or some config file, i'm always forgetting | 22:31 |
fsmithred | if /boot is part of the encrypted volume, you need to enable grub_cryptodisk or something (I'd have to look at it.) | 22:32 |
sadsnork | man_of_the_ocean, is this what you are getting? https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?pid=29694 | 22:34 |
sadsnork | The answer being to remove grub-efi-amd64-signed? | 22:34 |
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