| expert975 | Why set nameserver to google instead of the one provided by DHCP on the live image? | 00:44 |
|---|---|---|
| rrq | vvande: Devuan iso(s) are made to be used with or without UEFI | 00:59 |
| mason | expert975: Don't set your DNS to use Google. | 00:59 |
| expert975 | mason: the DHCP server sets DNS servers to 192.168.1.3 and 192.168.1.2 | 01:00 |
| mason | expert975: Sounds good. That'll be your local router, which will itself get DNS from your ISP. | 01:00 |
| expert975 | mason: sure, let's say that's what those are | 01:01 |
| expert975 | I just mounted the iso and /etc/resolv.conf contains 8.8.8.8 and 8.8.4.4 | 01:02 |
| expert975 | It should obey DHCP instead | 01:02 |
| mason | expert975: It should. Using 8.8.8.8 is (to me) unexpected and not desireable. | 01:03 |
| rrq | expert975: mounting doesn't usually change /etc/resolv.conf ?? | 01:05 |
| expert975 | rrq: isos are read-only filesystems, mounting won't change their contents | 01:06 |
| mason | expert975: There's always union mounting / overlayfs. | 01:09 |
| rrq | agree. I should assume that you by /etc/resolv.conf refer to a file on an ISO; perhaps a Devuan live install iSO ? | 01:09 |
| expert975 | mason, rrq: "mount devuan_beowulf_3.1.1_amd64_desktop-live.iso /mnt/iso; mount /mnt/iso/live/filesystem.squashfs /mnt/squashfs; cat /mnt/squashfs/etc/resolv.conf" | 01:11 |
| expert975 | ## google's nameservers | 01:11 |
| expert975 | nameserver 8.8.8.8 | 01:11 |
| expert975 | nameserver 8.8.4.4 | 01:11 |
| rrq | ok; I guess you'll also need to inspect /etc/dhcp/dhclient.conf to see how a use of that on a system reacts to a DHCP-offered domain-name setting | 01:14 |
| mason | Is that read-only when mounted? | 01:15 |
| expert975 | mason: it is | 01:15 |
| expert975 | rrq: "sudo dhclient eth0" sets the resolver to the ones provided by DHCP | 01:16 |
| mason | expert975: But not if they're read-only, or am I missing some significant point? I suspect you'd want an overlayfs/union mount onto tmpfs to make the read-only /etc writeable to get around that. | 01:16 |
| expert975 | mason: I am running these commands on Debian, not on the live system | 01:17 |
| mason | expert975: What's your ultimate goal? I may have missed it. | 01:17 |
| rrq | I would have thought running the live gives an overlay filesystem making /etc/resolv.conf transiently changeable | 01:18 |
| expert975 | mason: I want the live system to honor DNS servers provided by DHCP at boot | 01:18 |
| expert975 | rrq: it does. I'm not running these commands on the live system | 01:19 |
| mason | expert975: That'd then involve a change request. | 01:19 |
| mason | expert975: Or as rrq says, make sure it's not doing the right thing already. | 01:19 |
| expert975 | rqq: err, except the 'dhclient eth0' one | 01:19 |
| expert975 | mason: it isn't | 01:19 |
| rrq | are you saying that when you run the live iso, it connects via DHCP and does not honour the offered domain-server settings ? | 01:20 |
| rrq | it = the live system | 01:21 |
| expert975 | rrq: exactly | 01:21 |
| mason | That'd be a bug report for whichever live image you're using. | 01:21 |
| expert975 | mason: devuan_beowulf_3.1.1_amd64_desktop-live.iso | 01:22 |
| mason | expert975: https://bugs.devuan.org/ | 01:23 |
| mason | And thank you in advance. | 01:23 |
| mason | advance even | 01:23 |
| mason | Oh, felt the typo but it wasn't there. | 01:24 |
| expert975 | mason: you're only mistake is thinking you were wrong :^) | 01:24 |
| mason | As long as I'm wrong about *something* it's okay. | 01:24 |
| expert975 | *your | 01:24 |
| mason | expert975: See? It's sticky. | 01:25 |
| expert975 | mason: what package should this bug report target? | 01:27 |
| rrq | use "devuan-installer" and version 3.1.1 | 01:27 |
| rrq | it's not tottal right so please include the ISO filename as well | 01:28 |
| rrq | too many t | 01:28 |
| expert975 | ok. I'll write the email | 01:28 |
| rrq | of course, ISOs are rather rigid animals so any corrections are most likely to only be forward-ported to the chimaera suite | 01:31 |
| rrq | but certainly useful even so | 01:33 |
| expert975 | does anyone want a CC? | 01:34 |
| fsmithred | are you saying that address is hard-coded in resolv.conf inside the iso? | 01:35 |
| fsmithred | expert975, ^^^ | 01:35 |
| expert975 | fsmithred: yes, as the above transcrips show | 01:36 |
| fsmithred | ok, then I have to figure out where it's coming from. It must be either in the debootstrap stage or some package is doing it. | 01:36 |
| fsmithred | but I've never seen that on a regular install. | 01:36 |
| rrq | well the squashfs will have something, but it's supposed to be ovewritten by dhclient if the dhcp server offers something new | 01:38 |
| mason | Someday in my immense free time I want to build the Debian standard live ISO only with Devuan giblets. | 01:38 |
| mason | My initial look made it seem daunting, but I should look again sometime. | 01:38 |
| fsmithred | live-build is not too bad | 01:38 |
| fsmithred | if you want the debian-installer included, it's more difficult, but there are people in the community who know how to do it | 01:39 |
| mason | That part I don't care about so much, since I want to include my debootstrap-based installer. | 01:39 |
| mason | As of today I boot J. Random Live Image and install utilities and ZFS bits from my local repositories, and I want an image that just comes with everything. | 01:40 |
| fsmithred | ok, I'm seeing it for myself in /etc/resolv.conf inside the beowulf 3.1.1 amd64 desktop-live iso, and all I can say is "What the fuck?" | 01:40 |
| expert975 | fsmithred: right? I was surprized | 01:42 |
| fsmithred | it's in chimaera, too | 01:44 |
| fsmithred | I did not put it there! | 01:44 |
| fsmithred | (I made those isos) | 01:44 |
| fsmithred | in chimaera just the nameserver lines are there. No comment is included. | 01:44 |
| expert975 | mason: Bug report sent. | 01:45 |
| Xenguy | .oO( Curiouser and curiouser ... ) | 01:45 |
| expert975 | bug report number 601 | 01:54 |
| mason | expert975: Thank you kindly. | 01:55 |
| fsmithred | expert975, do you have an opinion on a fix? My easy options are to remove resolv.conf or populate it with a different address. | 02:06 |
| fsmithred | oh, or empty it. That's just as easy. | 02:06 |
| expert975 | fsmithred: It's been debated in a systemd/debian bug. I suppose empty is a good call | 02:07 |
| expert975 | fsmithred: if you have no /etc/resolv.conf systemd will use google's servers implicitly | 02:07 |
| fsmithred | chimaera is going to have network-manager, so it probably doesn't matter what I put in there. n-m will clobber it. | 02:07 |
| fsmithred | no systemd here | 02:08 |
| expert975 | fsmithred: that's the point, isn't it? :p | 02:08 |
| fsmithred | my refracta isos have no resolv.conf, but I think it gets created at boot and usually contains my router address. | 02:08 |
| fsmithred | that's with wicd | 02:09 |
| expert975 | BTW, sending the bug report via email was super easy. Nice system you have in place | 03:21 |
| tr-amarsh04 | debianutils 5.0.1-1 breaks ifup and graphical logins /-: | 11:12 |
| rrq | apparently backward compatibility isn't modern enough | 11:22 |
| tr-amarsh04 | rrq at least there are bug reports on the Debian bts rated as critical (3) and grave (1) | 11:32 |
| fsmithred | Login is no longer needed. If you use homed you don't ever need to log out. | 11:34 |
| GyrosGeier | login is now a cloud service | 11:36 |
| fsmithred | ah, that makes sense | 11:36 |
| rrq | as easy as swiping your credit card I suppose | 11:38 |
| tr-amarsh04 | fortunately I had a second pc to look things up on after the upgrade left my main pc without a network connection | 11:38 |
| GyrosGeier | also, I was too subtle in my remark that the initramfs is basically replacing what used to be the root filesystem | 11:40 |
| fsmithred | brocashelm, see the bug report ^^^ | 11:46 |
| fsmithred | and anyone else running ceres | 11:46 |
| Unit193 | Option 1. Downgrade debianutils. 2. s/tempfile/mktemp/g in /etc/X11/Xsession | 12:05 |
| tr-amarsh04 | I had run-parts fail in ifup, due to being changed from /bin to /usr/bin and the full path being hardcoded in ifupdown | 12:09 |
| fsmithred | pin the package at the lower version before upgrade | 12:11 |
| brocashelm | thanks for the heads-up, fsmithred | 15:43 |
| brocashelm | debianutils is held for the time being on all my machines | 15:44 |
| brocashelm | dodged the bugs 992410 and 992399 | 15:47 |
| brocashelm | i also dodged the rpcsvc-proto bug, so my libc6 packages are held back for now | 15:48 |
| rwp | brocashelm, Lucky you! I was hit by the Unstable Sid problem. Boots but no networking. Fortunately it is a VM and I can console recover it. | 21:18 |
| brocashelm | rwp: i did have an alsa/jack server issue with another round of updates (no audio on mpv, but cmus had no issues) that was solved by restarting x | 21:22 |
Generated by irclog2html.py 2.17.0 by Marius Gedminas - find it at https://mg.pov.lt/irclog2html/!