nemo | https://askubuntu.com/questions/1227667/df-command-throws-error-on-run-user-1000-doc-folder | 00:03 |
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nemo | so. I found this in search for: | 00:03 |
nemo | # ls -l /run/user/1000/doc | 00:03 |
nemo | ls: cannot access '/run/user/1000/doc': Permission denied | 00:03 |
nemo | d????????? ? ? ? ? ? doc | 00:04 |
nemo | which seemed... pretty buggy | 00:04 |
nemo | what the heck is xdg-document-portal anyway? | 00:04 |
nemo | https://github.com/flatpak/xdg-desktop-portal | 00:06 |
nemo | doesn't sound like anything I'd care about at all | 00:06 |
* nemo removes it | 00:06 | |
nemo | I think I have 0 flatpak apps. | 00:06 |
joerg | . | 00:18 |
ham5urg | If I pair a headset with xfce and chimaera, I get no audiodevice in the xfce's pulseaudio-module. Is this expected? Do I have install some package? | 01:00 |
fsmithred | ham5urg, you have pavucontrol installed? | 01:02 |
fsmithred | I assume you mean a usb headset, and not just a mini-jack | 01:02 |
ham5urg | fsmithred, yes pavucontrol is installed. I have a bluetooth headset paired (via shell) but I can't get see it in alsamixer or xfce's mixer | 01:03 |
ham5urg | get to see* | 01:03 |
fsmithred | I can get bluetooth to work about three out of every 10 attempts | 01:04 |
fsmithred | that's with an android tablet mostly, and tried with a phone a couple of times. | 01:04 |
ham5urg | Now it works... | 01:04 |
ham5urg | Yes, you are right | 01:05 |
fsmithred | lol | 01:05 |
ham5urg | It's a bit of gambling | 01:05 |
ham5urg | like gambling | 01:05 |
fsmithred | now I use a wire when I want to transfer files from the tablet to the laptop | 01:05 |
ham5urg | Today it worked well to transfer via bluetooth, but this headset was unknown to the computer till now | 01:06 |
fsmithred | wires are good. We should not get rid of all the wires. Phones were reliable for about 100 years until we got rid of the wires. | 01:06 |
fsmithred | sorry for the rant | 01:06 |
fsmithred | OT | 01:06 |
ham5urg | Yes, I have a big box of cables | 01:06 |
ham5urg | The most wicked is USB-C, mb/s and ampere are a bit of a gamble there | 01:07 |
Hydragyrum | my bluetooth usually Just Works™, but sometimes the adapter bricks itself and doesn't have a reset switch I can trigger in software -- so I have no choice but to reboot | 01:09 |
ham5urg | are there other bluetooth stacks? | 01:13 |
ham5urg | bluez is used now | 01:13 |
ham5urg | Under Gnome bluetooth-audio works flawlessly, maybe another bluetooth-stack is used. | 01:15 |
ksx4system | ham5urg, never had any luck with GNOME's bluetooth audio support | 01:15 |
ksx4system | it was shitty on few different adapters and few different pair of decent (Bose, Oppo, Sony) headphones | 01:16 |
Hydragyrum | my bluez has worked fine for me (using it with cmd-line bluetoothctl and pulseaudio-bluetooth) | 01:16 |
ham5urg | Maybe it's blueman, it does not switch to a2dp | 01:19 |
Hydragyrum | I've found often a nice little pulseaudio -k or a disconnect/reconnect cycle is needed | 01:21 |
ham5urg | I've found the problem in my case. The power the antenna (laptop) is sending the bluetooth is not strong enough. If I put the headset right next to the monitor, it is ok. Only 30 cm away and it is to weak. | 01:32 |
ham5urg | Signal strength I guess. | 01:33 |
djph | BT is "only" 2.4 GHz -- what else is running in that bad? Maybe something's interfering | 01:36 |
ham5urg | Can I increase the signal of the laptop? | 01:36 |
ham5urg | via bluetoothctl? | 01:36 |
Hydragyrum | I don't think so -- but moving your wifi to 5ghz may help | 01:37 |
ham5urg | It is, at least with a Ubuntu-Iso it worked quite well. It does now too, but I have to be right next to the monitor/antenna. | 01:38 |
_ds_ | 5 gram-hecto-zepto? | 01:45 |
blastwave | how does one setup the init to not boot to a graphical desktop? I just want a console only with full networking and am trying to remove Intel Connection manager from my life which borks up the network config | 02:03 |
fsmithred | blastwave, easiest way is to install sysv-rc-conf, run it in a terminal, un-check your display manager in runlevel 2. | 02:04 |
fsmithred | arrows, space bar, q to quit | 02:05 |
Hydragyrum | update-rc.d <display manager> remove | 02:05 |
fsmithred | yup | 02:05 |
Hydragyrum | and then optionally add it to runlevel 3 or 4 or whatever | 02:05 |
blastwave | hold on a sec ... --> update-rc.d <display manager> remove <-- do that ?? | 02:05 |
Hydragyrum | replacing the <display manager> with the name of whichever you use (gdm, sddm, etc.) | 02:06 |
blastwave | well to be honest I am okay with the LXDE( or QT or whatever ) but the connman is a real bugger that screws over my network config and it goes full DHCP and then the ip address of the machine is wrong | 02:06 |
fsmithred | might need -f with that | 02:06 |
fsmithred | yeah, if you configure /etc/network/interfaces, you should not use any network manager. | 02:07 |
blastwave | can I simply remove ( dpkg --purge ?? ) the connman trash ? I thought that was a systemD disaster component and I would not see these things on devuan | 02:07 |
fsmithred | ues | 02:07 |
fsmithred | yes | 02:07 |
* blastwave screams at systemD again | 02:08 | |
fsmithred | not their stuff | 02:08 |
fsmithred | network-manager is the gnome thing, and that's closer to systemd | 02:08 |
blastwave | well I have a machine that runs chimera just great with a desktop but the netowrk, well I have to get into a terminal and redo the net config manually everytime | 02:08 |
blastwave | maybe I can scrap the desktop entirely to fix this | 02:09 |
fsmithred | not necessary | 02:09 |
fsmithred | just get rid of connman, or turn it off as described above | 02:09 |
blastwave | really, I need the graphical dev stuff but I don't need the desktop at all. This box will run in a datacenter and I will rarely, if ever, need a desktop. | 02:10 |
blastwave | "just get rid of connman" <-- I like this idea | 02:10 |
fsmithred | should be easy | 02:10 |
Hydragyrum | sudo apt purge connman and then it'll be gone... | 02:11 |
gnarface | debian enforces a convention where all the build-time headers are in packages with the suffix "-dev" in their name | 02:11 |
gnarface | you can usually install those packages separately from the rest of them | 02:11 |
blastwave | yes, I like that. However during install ( yesterday ) I did select the LXQt( LXDE ? ) desktop and then once the machine rebooted after install the network config was screwed | 02:12 |
Hydragyrum | by graphical dev stuff you you mean as in the graphical programs i.e. qtcreator or the headers and libs as in libqt5-dev | 02:12 |
gnarface | you might still want some of the xorg stuff suffixed "-libs" so you can still launch graphical programs over ssh without running xorg | 02:12 |
Hydragyrum | for a machine like that you generally would want to uncheck desktop in the install process and then install whatever graphical things you need | 02:13 |
blastwave | Hydragyrum: less than that. I want libxcb and a few other things and not much. Maybe SDL2 at some point but I have some old old code to port and X11 stuff is all I really need. Along with ( gasp ) CDE stuff | 02:13 |
gnarface | yea, you should do a bare install and only install the packages you want and their immediate dependencies | 02:14 |
gnarface | disable automatically including "recommends" by config file or command-line option | 02:14 |
blastwave | well that sidesteps the real issue entirely : connman is a disaster and it is in there and it arrived and it messes up the net config | 02:14 |
gnarface | oh, yea you're right about that but i can't help you fix that part, i'd also advocate just throwing it overboard like fsmithred suggested | 02:15 |
Hydragyrum | I think there's an option in apt config to blacklist packages? do that maybe ;) | 02:15 |
blastwave | k .. let me see if I can dpkg --purge that nasty thing out of my life | 02:15 |
gnarface | it's not a value add and most stuff that includes it doesn't actually require it to run | 02:15 |
fsmithred | why did you install connman? | 02:17 |
blastwave | # /etc/init.d/connman stop | 02:17 |
blastwave | ha ha .. I lost my ssh access | 02:17 |
Hydragyrum | apt-mark hold with it uninstalled will forcibly prevent it from being installed unless you give a yes or the like | 02:17 |
blastwave | " why did you install connman? " <-- I did not. The installer did it | 02:18 |
fsmithred | it gets installed if you choose a desktop environment from the installer | 02:18 |
fsmithred | you would do better to start with a minimal system and add what you need | 02:18 |
blastwave | yeh ... it gets hammered into my life and then messes up my life | 02:18 |
blastwave | speaking of which I need to walk down a hallway and get a console now .. setup ip manually and then maybe I can ssh back in | 02:19 |
fsmithred | yeah, that will work | 02:19 |
fsmithred | I think you can do it remotely if you set everything up and string some commands so they all run after you get cut off | 02:19 |
gnarface | i wouldn't bother installing the gui login manager on any machine i didn't have to share with someone else either | 02:20 |
blastwave | okay so I lost network access and had to do the manual "ip foo" and "ip route" and lost my /etc/resolv.conf also by stopping connman | 02:28 |
blastwave | can connman be considered a virus or malware ? | 02:28 |
blastwave | yep .. I ssh back in and /etc/resolv.conf has been destroyed | 02:29 |
fsmithred | connman is just another network manager. They all have their idiosyncracies and on a bad they they suck balls. | 02:30 |
ksx4system | blastwave, not malware but probably abandonware by now | 02:31 |
blastwave | after doing the dance down the hallway to get a console and setup ip again then I did dpkg --purge connman which says "cmst depends on connman" | 02:32 |
gnarface | the other network managers all do the same crap afaik, clobber /etc/resolv.conf and choke on /etc/network/interfaces | 02:32 |
fsmithred | yup | 02:32 |
blastwave | so I nuked " dpkg --purge cmst " and then killed connman " dpkg --purge connman" | 02:32 |
ksx4system | blastwave, generally network managers will mess with your resolv.conf | 02:32 |
blastwave | OH gawd will I have a network after a reboot ?? | 02:32 |
fsmithred | did you set up e/n/i? | 02:33 |
blastwave | sorry .. I need more than single letter variables :) | 02:33 |
blastwave | wat? | 02:33 |
ksx4system | blastwave, read logs of what commands you executed before - answer most likely lies there | 02:33 |
fsmithred | /etc/network/interfaces | 02:33 |
gnarface | he means /etc/network/interfaces | 02:33 |
gnarface | i'd also uninstall the dhcp client though first | 02:33 |
fsmithred | where you would set up a static ip address that gets assigned when you boot the computer | 02:33 |
blastwave | oh yes of course I have /etc/network/interfaces which was setup by the installer | 02:34 |
gnarface | heh, you'd better make sure it's still there | 02:34 |
blastwave | nice installer by the way ! woo hoo remote ssh install is a joy | 02:34 |
fsmithred | and that there's a stanza for eth0 | 02:34 |
fsmithred | default is lo only | 02:34 |
blastwave | yes /etc/network/interfaces looks beautiful | 02:34 |
blastwave | iface eth0 inet static <-- looks good | 02:34 |
fsmithred | and some lines below that to define address... ? | 02:35 |
blastwave | yep all tyhe goodness from the installer is still there | 02:35 |
fsmithred | ok | 02:35 |
blastwave | reboot | 02:35 |
blastwave | oops .. wrong xterm | 02:35 |
fsmithred | auto or allow hotplug? | 02:35 |
blastwave | allow-hotplug eth0 | 02:35 |
fsmithred | either one should work | 02:35 |
blastwave | The system is going down for reboot NOW! | 02:36 |
blastwave | yee haw | 02:36 |
blastwave | okay good news ... it rebooted fine and the network is now sane | 02:37 |
gnarface | well, either one should work but they don't both always work at boot | 02:37 |
blastwave | oops /etc/resolv.conf: No such file or directory | 02:38 |
gnarface | should be simple enough to recreate | 02:38 |
gnarface | it only really needs one line | 02:38 |
gnarface | nameserver [ip address] | 02:38 |
blastwave | I have a set of nameservers that are mine | 02:39 |
gnarface | one ip per line | 02:39 |
blastwave | maybe I need to stick in an init script somewhere to ensure that file gets created at boot init 2 or something | 02:39 |
gnarface | it can go into the /etc/network/interfaces file too if you install the resolvconf package | 02:39 |
gnarface | if you don't have wpasupplicant or a dhcp client or any network managers there shouldn't be anything left that will overwrite it though | 02:40 |
blastwave | I generally have /etc/network/interfaces with the nameservers from the config setup by the installer and that usually "just works"(tm) | 02:40 |
blastwave | wpasupplicant ? oh that needs to be nuked out of existence | 02:41 |
gnarface | yea the dns-nameservers, dns-search stuff? those are used by resolvconf | 02:41 |
gnarface | ignored otherwise | 02:41 |
blastwave | # dpkg --purge wpasupplicant | 02:41 |
blastwave | done | 02:41 |
gnarface | you don't need that unless you have wireless anyway | 02:41 |
blastwave | there is no wireless in the building anymore | 02:42 |
blastwave | not secure .. can not be trusted | 02:42 |
blastwave | okay so why is my resolv.conf getting nuked at reboot .. let me ponder that | 02:42 |
fsmithred | could probably get rid of wireless-tools if that doesn't automatically go | 02:42 |
gnarface | hmm, maybe resolvconf actually nukes it too? | 02:43 |
gnarface | are the dns-* lines in your config file being obeyed? | 02:43 |
blastwave | dpkg --purge wireless-tools and then wireless-regdb and iw | 02:43 |
blastwave | yep .. dig works fine | 02:43 |
blastwave | dig www.blastwave.org | 02:44 |
blastwave | looks great | 02:44 |
blastwave | queries the correct name servers | 02:44 |
blastwave | do I need that resolvconf thingy ?? | 02:44 |
gnarface | no, like i said you only need it if you want the system to recognize the dns-* lines in your /etc/network/interfaces file | 02:45 |
blastwave | resolvconf package ?? | 02:45 |
gnarface | but you will need it *or* a /etc/resolf.conf file note this file is not to be confused with the resolvconf package | 02:45 |
blastwave | well I need /etc/resolv.conf to not be destroyed | 02:45 |
gnarface | i'm not sure if resolvconf is doing that or not it was a hypothesis | 02:46 |
blastwave | I don't know either ... I say reboot and lets see if I get a netowrk and resolv.conf again | 02:46 |
blastwave | The system is going down for reboot NOW! | 02:46 |
blastwave | it is a fast booter so .. in a moment I will know | 02:46 |
gnarface | well i doubt it will come back automatically if everything is set up how you want it, just to be clear | 02:46 |
gnarface | you'd still have to put it back manually once | 02:47 |
blastwave | I have the opinion that any decent sane UNIX or Linux machine will never ever mess with my netowrk config ever | 02:47 |
blastwave | crazy idea right ? | 02:47 |
gnarface | hah try slackware | 02:47 |
blastwave | setup network and then expect it to stay in place | 02:47 |
blastwave | oh boy .. oh wow .. reboot and it is sane ! | 02:48 |
ksx4system | blastwave, Devuan is not going to mess with your network settings if you READ WHAT IS ON YOUR SCREEN and don't install unnecessary software blindly | 02:48 |
blastwave | excellent .. just needed to destroy/nuke a few packages | 02:48 |
gnarface | yea, for future installs i really recommend you select expert mode and when you get to the tasksel page, uncheck all boxes | 02:50 |
blastwave | ksx4system: dude ... I did the network config during install with the installer and selected a desktop frontend LXDE or similar. The result was a borked network config. That is plain jane wrong. You have no argument that says the network config from the installer should/would/can be wrecked afterwards | 02:50 |
gnarface | (and then disable recommends) | 02:50 |
gnarface | (in the apt config) | 02:50 |
blastwave | I always use expert mode with remote ssh | 02:50 |
bb|hcb | gnarface: and don't forget to check ssh ;) | 02:50 |
blastwave | lets not get confused here. it is Intel Connman that wrecked my life | 02:50 |
blastwave | always check ssh // yep .. need that when the machine is in a computer datacenter | 02:51 |
gnarface | well, yea you probably actually want ssh and standard system utilities ... but if the "Desktop" one hadn't been checked, none of this crap would have been installed | 02:51 |
blastwave | anyways .. thank you for the help .. this sorted out the messz | 02:51 |
gnarface | np | 02:51 |
blastwave | to be fair ... the desktop will rarely ever be used | 02:52 |
gnarface | that's no problem | 02:52 |
blastwave | I should nuke those packages | 02:52 |
ksx4system | blastwave, bad idea to install GUI on a server | 02:52 |
ksx4system | well, maybe not bad, just pointless | 02:52 |
blastwave | gee ... I never worked with a server before ... really?? | 02:53 |
bb|hcb | blastwave: maybe that's OT, but always get a machine with IPMI, iDRAC, whatever else they name it, before putting it in the DC - you will spare some travel | 02:53 |
blastwave | generally I work with production class systems and not pc trash | 02:53 |
ksx4system | bb|hcb, +1 for lights out management | 02:54 |
blastwave | so yeah .. there is always full systems and hardwar3e control separate from the machine itself .. or part of the machine. Think Oracle/Fujitsu big old sparc servers and IBM Power servers etc etc | 02:54 |
blastwave | pc trash is just trash. maybe flashing RGB lights on the memory will make it faster and better ? :) | 02:55 |
blastwave | okay ... moving onwards .. I will now deal with how to port old CDE/X11 code | 02:55 |
blastwave | also I will toss money at the Devuan project from here on in | 02:56 |
blastwave | great distro ! | 02:56 |
Xenguy | nice | 02:56 |
blastwave | took me a little longer to get away from Debian and RHEL but I got here | 02:56 |
ksx4system | blastwave, from 2021 perspective consumer grade PC hardware is not trash if you know how to use it and understand its purpose (which you clearly *don't* get) | 02:56 |
blastwave | please bear in mind that I still have dark SuperDome HP servers and Sun SPARC and IBM z/OS mainframes in my life | 02:56 |
blastwave | ksx4system: sorry .. I am not a gamer | 02:57 |
* blastwave moves along to other things | 02:57 | |
Xenguy | .oO( I'm a cold Italian pizza ...) | 02:58 |
ksx4system | blastwave, there's entirely different class of devices made for gaming ;) | 03:00 |
onefang | Alas for my super desktop Ryzen Threadripper, I couldn't get away from RGBling RAM, nor turn it off since it requires Windows to do that every boot time. Pffft | 03:10 |
ksx4system | onefang, this is sad af :( worst case scenario RGB features should be available to set manually in BIOS | 03:11 |
ksx4system | best case scenario open source code should be published lol | 03:12 |
onefang | BIOS let me turn off all the other RGBling. | 03:12 |
onefang | OT though, so I'll shut up now. | 03:13 |
maxz | Hi! | 03:18 |
Xenguy | I'm sorry | 03:18 |
Xenguy | dave | 03:18 |
Xenguy | I can't do that | 03:19 |
onefang | That's even funnier than you suspect. lol | 03:19 |
Xenguy | nyuck nyuck | 03:19 |
* blastwave begins to sing ... Daisey Daisey .. I'm half crazy over my love for you ... | 03:20 | |
Xenguy | Such a classic | 03:20 |
golinux | Sooo OT | 03:33 |
Xenguy | Tis true | 03:34 |
* onefang installs Devuan on HAL 9000, thus bringing it back on topic. | 03:35 | |
golinux | Sunday night crazies out on force. Good for OT | 03:36 |
* blastwave looks at watch .. wow .. it is sunday .. I thought it was Friday | 03:39 | |
onefang | It's Monday here. | 03:39 |
Xenguy | .oO( Such a blur ) | 03:39 |
* golinux growls | 03:39 | |
blastwave | if anyone cares ( way way OT ) I have a chan #blastwave and am live streaming some code work on httpd RC for OpenSSL 3.0.0 | 03:39 |
golinux | Please go advertise elsewhere | 03:42 |
* blastwave quietly wanders away | 03:48 | |
Xenguy | Have fun | 03:50 |
mason | FWIW, in the interests of absolute correctness: https://yewtu.be/watch?v=E7WQ1tdxSqI https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daisy_Bell#History | 03:58 |
Xenguy | And as we all know by now... completeness matters | 03:59 |
Xenguy | Got that from my brother, but sorry OT again | 04:00 |
maxz | hi! | 06:12 |
gnarface | hi maxz, if you have questions just ask them and wait | 06:15 |
gnarface | it's a slow channel but greetings are not required | 06:15 |
peterrooney | I'm having a spot of trouble getting Xorg going on "AMD Ryzen 7 5700G with Radeon Graphics" | 08:38 |
gnarface | beowulf is probably too old | 08:56 |
gnarface | you'd need the kernel from backports | 08:56 |
gnarface | and don't forget firmware-amd-graphics is in non-free | 08:56 |
peterrooney | gnarface: a disturbing possibility. what did AMD do to necessitate a new kernel? | 09:06 |
onefang | For my AMD Radeon RX 5600 XT using the beowulf-backports kernel and and drivers works. | 09:11 |
peterrooney | a 5.10 kernel hung halfway through boot | 09:16 |
peterrooney | i've been headdesk on this for four hours. not sure I'm even asking the right questions. | 09:18 |
Le_Coyote | As for the "whad did they do wrong", it happens. For some reason, after I upgraded my nvidia proprietary drivers last time, my laptop wouldn't wake from suspend (to ram). Switched to nouveau, and no further issues. | 09:20 |
Le_Coyote | :shrug: | 09:20 |
peterrooney | The last informational message I get before Fatal is, "drm report modesetting isn't supported." but searching on that has led me nowhere, except 'upgrading to a 4.5 kernel fixed it' - beowulf is 4.19, so that's not it. | 09:37 |
Le_Coyote | Well, regressions happen, but bisecting is a pita | 09:39 |
gnarface | peterrooney: i dunno really to be honest but it could as easily been something to do with either the ryzen or the radeon part | 10:19 |
gnarface | drm modesetting error suggests the radeon part | 10:20 |
gnarface | but could be something as simple as xorg auto-detection failing to load the amdgpu driver | 10:20 |
gnarface | nvidia cards of similar and even earlier generations won't work with that 4.19 kernel either | 10:21 |
gnarface | that error could easily be consistent with missing firmware or loading the wrong driver (which in turn is frequently a red herring for missing firmware) | 10:23 |
peterrooney | gnarface: I've loaded /every/ firmware to no effect. i suppose my next step is locating the beowulf -> chimera upgrade instructions. | 10:28 |
gnarface | i would really try the beowulf backports kernel & firmwares first | 10:30 |
gnarface | remember you need them to be a matched pair | 10:30 |
peterrooney | gnarface: 5.10-bpo don't even boot. | 10:38 |
onefang | You could try a live chimeara ISO on that machine first. | 10:40 |
peterrooney | onefang: that seems more sensible. | 10:46 |
peterrooney | live iso boots to desktop, hope remains. | 11:13 |
onefang | Yay! | 11:13 |
peterrooney | more like yay! , but yes. | 11:16 |
jemadux | i wanna install devuan in my mom's laptop .. which one is the testing release and which one is the stable one ? | 12:54 |
gnarface | beowulf is the stable one for now, but the testing one (chimera) might be stable pretty soon | 12:56 |
jemadux | where can i find chimera ? | 12:57 |
gnarface | there might be test images around somewhere, but normally to install testing you'd upgrade from stable | 13:00 |
gnarface | actually though... it looks as though there's some beta images up already: https://files.devuan.org/devuan_chimaera/ | 13:00 |
onefang | The usual sources of Devuan ISOs have chimaera ISO to. | 13:00 |
fsmithred | new version of eudev is now in chimaera. I think that's the last one, so the only thing left is documentation. | 13:15 |
ham5urg | My laptop freezes way to often with Chimaera, what is a good approach to check why? Kern.log? | 13:51 |
debdog | memcheck first | 13:51 |
ham5urg | Ok | 13:52 |
debdog | erm, memtest | 13:55 |
ham5urg | debdog, yes, I installed memtest, when I try to boot into memtest, from Grub, th e laptop hangs. Meh | 14:05 |
jemadux | does devuan support uefi ? | 14:06 |
ham5urg | At least I cant see anything. | 14:06 |
ham5urg | jemadux, I installed it onto Efi-Server and Laptops | 14:06 |
fsmithred | ham5urg, what cpu is it? | 14:07 |
ham5urg | Some i5 83xx | 14:07 |
ham5urg | 8365 probably | 14:08 |
ham5urg | Intel GPU | 14:08 |
ham5urg | Is there a devuan ISO with memtest I could use? | 14:10 |
fsmithred | yeah, the live-isos have memtest | 14:10 |
fsmithred | some intel processors need extra boot options. | 14:11 |
ham5urg | i5-8365u | 14:12 |
fsmithred | I've got one *lake (can't remember the right name) that needs something like intel.pstate=1 or else it randomly freezes | 14:12 |
ham5urg | OK, i will search it | 14:12 |
fsmithred | no, I have baytrail, you have whiskey lake | 14:13 |
ham5urg | Devuan Minimal ISO Memory test tells: Version too old for 32-bit boot | 14:28 |
hemimaniac | fsmithred, you thinking of the intel Westlake? | 14:30 |
fsmithred | hemimaniac, nope. I don't know that one. | 14:31 |
fsmithred | ham5urg, I've seen that problem. The solution is to download the memtest live-iso from the official memtest website | 14:31 |
fsmithred | there's no stand-alone app that works on newer machines | 14:32 |
fsmithred | memtest.org has some choices - iso, binary or source | 14:34 |
fsmithred | nm, memtest.org has stuff that's 8 years old. Same as repo. | 14:35 |
ham5urg | fsmithred, thanks for the hint | 14:41 |
fsmithred | there's memtester in the repo. That runs inside your running linux system | 14:41 |
fsmithred | I'm running it now on my uefi laptop | 14:41 |
fsmithred | but that would be best on a very minimal system, since it can't test the mem that I'm currently using for the desktop. | 14:42 |
ham5urg | The memory seems not to be corrupted. | 15:34 |
n4dir | did you test with a different user and a different GUI if the system freezes too? | 15:35 |
ham5urg | Should I boot via Usb-Stick after next freeze and check the logs? | 15:35 |
n4dir | also: might it be related to a certain application? | 15:35 |
ham5urg | n4dir, no. I tested it not with different user. | 15:36 |
n4dir | to me, on usually bad hardware, freezes usually happen due to firefox. testuser and a differnt GUI won't hurt for troubleshooting purposes | 15:37 |
n4dir | really just vague ideas. | 15:37 |
ham5urg | n4dir, I tried to find a pattern but could not say. What is always bad, when it stays with screensaver-blank overnight. 100% it won't get back. | 15:38 |
ham5urg | But it freezes sometimes with browser, with editor and at login | 15:38 |
n4dir | yeah, i also couldn't figure it out. firefox seems to have been the culprit, but it was not really proven | 15:38 |
ham5urg | Maybe to switch to Beowulf is a solution but I would like to try to find the problem. Maybe it helps | 15:40 |
ham5urg | Maybe some ACPI thing | 15:40 |
ham5urg | Could I log the actions of the ACPI module? | 15:40 |
gnarface | ham5urg: try adding -l to the acpid command-line options in /etc/default/acpid | 16:02 |
gnarface | it should log to /var/log/syslog | 16:02 |
gnarface | ham5urg: though i've had similar issues on various hardware and i suspect if you disable dpms and system sleep it will be fine | 16:04 |
gnarface | ham5urg: and don't run an opengl screensaver | 16:04 |
ham5urg | I see | 16:04 |
gnarface | just a guess though | 16:05 |
gnarface | could be a lot of stuff based on only this evidence | 16:05 |
nepsis | I know I am preaching to the choir here, but am I the only one who's astounded that in the discussions about the problems systemd-homed would bring some people seem to believe that creating a "guest" account that you need to log into to actually unlock you home space and then log in as yourself is a good idea? | 16:12 |
nepsis | I just can't believe of all the problems we could be solving, home spaces was one of them | 16:13 |
fsmithred | never heard of that one | 16:14 |
nepsis | Careful when googling then, because it may raise your blood pressure | 16:14 |
fsmithred | and any talk about it is better off in #devuan-offtopic. We like to reserve this channel for support questions. | 16:14 |
nepsis | Of course! Sorry about that | 16:15 |
fsmithred | thanks | 16:15 |
nepsis | In a separate issue: Has anyone here set up a udev/mdev/*dev free system before? I am researching possible avenues, just for fun | 16:18 |
fsmithred | I know it's been done with vdev | 16:29 |
fsmithred | and someone was asking about setting up all static devs as needed. That was a week or two ago. | 16:29 |
fsmithred | I don't know if it actually happened, but it probably did. | 16:30 |
nepsis | I will look into vdev :) | 16:32 |
fsmithred | I think there's a gnuinos iso with vdev | 16:34 |
fsmithred | nepsis, I believe the openbox isos have vdev: https://www.gnuinos.org/Beowulf/ | 16:38 |
fsmithred | here's aitor's post on mailing list about it: https://lists.dyne.org/lurker/message/20210110.194529.503f1b9d.en.html | 16:38 |
nepsis | Cool, I will boot it up and see how it works, thank you! | 16:39 |
fsmithred | those look like newer isos than the ones he mentioned in January. | 16:42 |
nepsis | Well, it was just a for-fun project kind of thing, so a few pointers in the right direction were all I was after :) | 16:53 |
fsmithred | the 06.28 iso has vdev | 17:13 |
Hydragyrum | I remember when udev/mdev/etc. weren't a thing and everything worked fine back then lol | 19:39 |
lts | Gentoo is killing eudev btw | 19:48 |
lts | https://www.gentoo.org/support/news-items/2021-08-24-eudev-retirement.html | 19:49 |
user____ | Hydragyrum: /etc/hotplug.d | 19:57 |
golinux | lts: #devuan-eudev | 20:16 |
lts | (y) | 20:17 |
user____ | I assume this one will light up like an xmas tree on code which shimmers vars from list to string and such? No? http://www.xdobry.de/ttclcheck/ | 20:24 |
systemdlete | fsmithred: Any updates to chimaera I can try? | 20:25 |
user____ | Sorry, wrong channel | 20:25 |
systemdlete | fsmithred: Any word when chimaera might be released? I'm trying to plan ahead and it would be helpful to know. | 20:26 |
fsmithred | systemdlete, if you can figure out why lightdm won't respect locale settings in my refracta chimaera beta isos, I'd be grateful. | 20:26 |
fsmithred | soon as we finish writing the release notes, I think. | 20:27 |
systemdlete | hmmm... never dealt with that before, but I can try I suppose. Learning opp for me | 20:27 |
systemdlete | ooh, nice. ty. | 20:27 |
fsmithred | if you need chimaera now, go for it. It's ready. | 20:27 |
systemdlete | sounds like we are close then. Maybe a couple months it sounds like? | 20:27 |
systemdlete | fsmithred: Last I tried your ISO, I had problems. That's why I asked if you have updated those recently. | 20:28 |
fsmithred | fuck no. Better not be months. Should be days or maybe a week or two at most. Assuming we didn't screw something up. | 20:28 |
fsmithred | which iso? xfce or no-X? | 20:28 |
systemdlete | no-X, iirc | 20:28 |
systemdlete | maybe a month back or so | 20:28 |
systemdlete | I had posted my findings here back then | 20:29 |
fsmithred | xfce isos are a couple days old: https://get.refracta.org/files/testing/ | 20:29 |
systemdlete | OH! Well, ok then | 20:29 |
systemdlete | So refracta will be out before devuan and star? | 20:30 |
fsmithred | discussion: https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?id=4500 | 20:30 |
systemdlete | thanks, will read now... | 20:30 |
fsmithred | star doesn't already have chimaera isos? | 20:30 |
fsmithred | I think devuan will be official before refracta. | 20:30 |
systemdlete | not sure. I haven't seen any messages by email, but maybe they don't do that | 20:30 |
systemdlete | looking at their download site, it looks like they are still on Spock (Beowulf?) | 20:36 |
systemdlete | It's ok, fsmithred, I'm not really in any rush. I want to upgrade an ascii VM, but why waste my time if chimaera is soon? | 20:37 |
fsmithred | if you're going to upgade a VM to chimaera, there's no reason to wait for the installer isos or the release notes. | 20:42 |
* n4dir has to wait for librazik anyway ... | 20:46 | |
* Hydragyrum is waiting for daedalus so he can upgrade from chimaera | 20:47 | |
fsmithred | I forgot tilda. Do you care? | 20:48 |
n4dir | there are tilda users out there? | 20:48 |
fsmithred | lol, you were the one who wanted it. | 20:48 |
fsmithred | I can wait and see if anyone complains. | 20:49 |
n4dir | ha. didn't get that. I gave up on tilda for a few years, mainly to use a more ressource-friendly terminal | 20:49 |
fsmithred | ok, good. The damned iso keeps growing. It will no longer fit on a 1GB usb stick. | 20:49 |
n4dir | yeah, i guess so. | 20:50 |
fsmithred | and I keep trimming packages from the list | 20:50 |
n4dir | i don't recall that well what was/is included on refracta. Sure lots i wouldn't need. Mainly the gui stuff | 20:50 |
Hydragyrum | tbh as long as there's a minimal or the like installer iso that will fit on a 700mb cd, the other ones are fine to be big, no? | 20:50 |
n4dir | probably. I don't think it is easily possible to get a 1 Gig stick anymore. | 20:51 |
Hydragyrum | the smallest I have is a 2gb and I don't know why I still have it | 20:51 |
Hydragyrum | haven't seen smaller than 8gb for sale in a long time | 20:51 |
n4dir | same here. They start to get really shitty, old sticks, and new ones probably have way more | 20:51 |
fsmithred | I have a PNY that's 256mb. It holds rEFInd bootloader. | 20:53 |
peterrooney | Current situation: updated to chimera to get X to start (beowulf fails for Ryzen 7 5700G), but... Only starts using fbdev driver, and /only/ resolution available according to randr is 1024x768, on either HDMI and Displayport outputs. | 20:56 |
peterrooney | I am concerned that I may have to find a dedicated graphics card as opposed to using the integrated graphics. | 20:57 |
fsmithred | is firmware-amd-graphics installed? | 20:57 |
peterrooney | fsmithred: no. not yet. i did that yesterday on beowulf, didn't cross my mind today. Trying now. | 21:02 |
peterrooney | f*%# yeah that works. I been trying xorg.conf generation like it's 2002. | 21:04 |
fsmithred | lol | 21:05 |
fsmithred | I have a script called 'display-savior' which would remind you for the old xf86config script. (I think that's not the right name) | 21:05 |
fsmithred | for/of | 21:06 |
peterrooney | fsmithred: this is why i try to be nice to people who are asking "basic" questions. they may be, like me now, in sleep dep mode. | 21:06 |
fsmithred | yup | 21:06 |
peterrooney | there's no way the "Xorg -configure" 's that I ran and edited could have possibly worked without the correct firmware. | 21:06 |
fsmithred | yeah, and I know it's installed in the desktop-live, and I know you said that iso booted. | 21:08 |
fsmithred | and you're about the 50th person I've seen run into that issue. | 21:08 |
peterrooney | fsmithred: wow, seems like a strong candidate for adding a document somewhere, but where? | 21:10 |
fsmithred | maybe in the release notes | 21:11 |
fsmithred | I just added a note about it to the pad we are using to make the release notes. | 21:14 |
peterrooney | fsmithred: thank you. | 21:20 |
fsmithred | now, if we could only get people to read the relase notes... | 21:30 |
Hydragyrum | hey now, I read the release notes ;) | 21:31 |
* fsmithred sticks a gold start to Hydragyrum's monitor. | 21:37 | |
fsmithred | shist | 21:37 |
fsmithred | start/star | 21:37 |
Hydragyrum | starting is the one thing my computer has trouble with | 21:37 |
Hydragyrum | the EFI firmware's wonky and keeps deciding my boot entry doesn't exist | 21:38 |
fsmithred | that's annoying | 21:38 |
fsmithred | mine lets me change the boot order, but that setting does not survive a reboot. | 21:39 |
Hydragyrum | so then I need to boot a usb and load my grub configfile | 21:39 |
fsmithred | is it an old thinkpad? Mine is pretty weird. | 21:40 |
Hydragyrum | newer ideapad | 21:41 |
fsmithred | hm | 21:41 |
fsmithred | I failed to boot a live-usb on a new ideapad | 21:41 |
fsmithred | but I forget what exactly it did | 21:42 |
Hydragyrum | all my USBs work fine with EFI boot at least, so I just boot one with grub and use it to load my normal configfile, boot and remove the usb | 21:42 |
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