| n4dir | can't copy and paste right now | 00:00 |
|---|---|---|
| n4dir | ah, wait, sure i can, give me a second | 00:00 |
| n4dir | http://0x0.st/-3ei.txt | 00:04 |
| gnarface | n4dir: if it's newer you might need firmware-amd-graphics from non-free | 00:19 |
| n4dir | gnarface: the PC is probably older than 10 years. It already is 64 bit, but it really is old | 00:19 |
| n4dir | i never had a decent graphics with it, though pretty raw i hammered a few packages at it. | 00:20 |
| gnarface | could you use paste.debian.net and paste your Xorg.0.log ? | 00:20 |
| gnarface | i think it should "just work" but you might be missing packages | 00:21 |
| gnarface | occasionally you might need an xorg.conf snippet | 00:21 |
| rwp | Are you having problems? Or just asking if it should have a firmware package for solid operation? | 00:21 |
| gnarface | oh, i assumed there were problems, i guess that's a pertinent question | 00:21 |
| rwp | I think it is an older Radeon and therefore I think it should Just Work. I think. | 00:21 |
| gnarface | after enough years of experience with xorg though i would sanity check the log to make sure it's even chosen the right driver | 00:22 |
| n4dir | rwp: no problems now. I installed, booted to tty, am installing what is needed while rsync'ing the data an in place. So kinda waiting for rsync to finish | 00:22 |
| rwp | Checking the log file is an excellent idea. | 00:22 |
| n4dir | yeah, it kinda works. Just not that smooth. But, as said, i also could never enhance that in the past | 00:23 |
| rwp | My Radeon based systems have xserver-xorg-video-radeon and firmware-amd-graphics installed. But also have firmware-misc-nonfree too. | 00:23 |
| n4dir | kernel module in use: radeon | 00:23 |
| n4dir | says lscpi | 00:23 |
| gnarface | seems right then | 00:24 |
| gnarface | you could be missing mesa packages still | 00:24 |
| n4dir | thanks to both of you. I will try to keep both packages in mind, and if too lousy, try it with them | 00:24 |
| rwp | How are you building up the installation? I read it was a minimum install first. Then more additions? | 00:25 |
| n4dir | well, once at it: short feedback, i used the chimaera (?) iso, all worked fine, i picked openrc, seems to work fine too, also lvm with encryption (no idea why i did it though, only for the lulz) | 00:25 |
| gnarface | make sure you have libgl1-mesa-glx | 00:26 |
| rwp | I think using "tasksel" is a reasonable way to pick things. But otherwise my desktop has task-desktop task-xfce-desktop and also for me here task-english installed. Those drag in most of everything for a full XFCE desktop. | 00:26 |
| n4dir | rwp: yeah, just the iso. then partitioning i just pick defaults. deselect gui-environment during tasksel. then after reboot install what i think i need | 00:26 |
| n4dir | yeah, right, sometimes i just go for xfce too. Depends on my mood | 00:26 |
| n4dir | so the short version of my installation process really boils down to: hammer on the enter key | 00:27 |
| n4dir | nothing fancy | 00:27 |
| n4dir | i was a little bit astonished after deselecting "gui" during tasksel having seen stuff like "adwaita-something" bing installed. Other stuff which looked gui like too, forgot what | 00:28 |
| rwp | LVM with encryption is the way my main laptop is configured too. It's a stable and mature configuration. | 00:29 |
| n4dir | too me neither LVM nor encryption is of much use. As said: very easy use case here. This PC is for no special use, so i just gave it a try | 00:30 |
| rwp | I don't know what would have pulled in the adwaita theme stuff if you did not have a desktop selected for installation. No idea. | 00:30 |
| n4dir | yeah, i was a bit confused. But nothing to exciting | 00:31 |
| n4dir | after reboot i checked if some xorg stuff is installed, but no | 00:31 |
| rwp | Seems that adwaita-icon-theme is used by libreoffice and various web browsers... | 00:32 |
| n4dir | let me install aptitude and ask "why" | 00:32 |
| n4dir | should have done it right after installation. | 00:33 |
| n4dir | well, firefox i installed after installation. But libgtk3-0 was of the other packages i wondered why they were installed | 00:34 |
| n4dir | also something-someting-wayland (libs too) | 00:35 |
| n4dir | little problem. having "ALWAYS_SET_PATH yes" in /etc/login.defs, i get "configuration error, unknown item "ALWAYS_SET_PATH" (inform admin) | 01:18 |
| rwp | n4dir, Where is ALWAYS_SET_PATH for login.defs documented? I am unfamiliar with that setting. And it appears to be undocumented. Is it a real setting? | 01:21 |
| rwp | Other than setting UMASK 02 for shared work for UPG (user private groups) I don't have any other modifications to the login.defs file. | 01:22 |
| rwp | Most users use their system for years and never look at that file. | 01:22 |
| Jjp137 | it's mentioned here but it's for /etc/default/su: https://files.devuan.org/devuan_beowulf/Release_notes.txt | 01:23 |
| rwp | That document says the setting is for /etc/default/su not /etc/login.defs though. | 01:23 |
| Jjp137 | so I don't think it belongs in /etc/login.defs | 01:23 |
| Jjp137 | yeah | 01:23 |
| rwp | For the su thing one should just always be in the habit of using "su -" though. That's always been a good habit. | 01:24 |
| n4dir | uhum. Wondering why it was in login.defs on the old install i just overwrote too. Probably the same web result | 01:24 |
| n4dir | let me try | 01:24 |
| n4dir | yup, that was it. That way i like problems. Solved in the blink of an eye. thanks folks | 01:25 |
| n4dir | rwp: btw, funny enough on this chimaera installation the graphics is pretty decent, out of box, way better then i remember it (i think it was you i talked to about it) | 01:27 |
| rwp | We may have talked about it but only you could see it. :-) | 01:29 |
| n4dir | cool then. Anyway, looks like most is set up now. Everything, for such a crappy PC, like a charme. | 01:31 |
| n4dir | with openrc, starting openbox and only a terminal emulator running, ~100 MB RAM usage. Nice, nice | 01:32 |
| rwp | \o/ | 01:33 |
| hagbard | is devuan unstable based on debian sid, or on current debian testing? If sid, is there a devian repo, thats based on debian testing? | 10:53 |
| sadoon_albader[m | I believe devuan ceres is the equivalent of debian sid | 11:02 |
| sadoon_albader[m | So yes unstable is basically sid | 11:04 |
| sadoon_albader[m | Testing currently is chimaera which is equivalent to debian 11 | 11:04 |
| sadoon_albader[m | https://www.devuan.org/os/packages | 11:05 |
| sadoon_albader[m | refer to this if you get lost like I often do | 11:05 |
| gnarface | all correct | 11:06 |
| hagbard | It was easy before the debian 11 release. So there's no devuan repo that currently tracks debian testing, right? | 11:06 |
| gnarface | i don't know for sure it's not present under its name yet | 11:08 |
| gnarface | i assume the "testing" link itself won't get changed until chimera goes stable, yes | 11:08 |
| sadoon_albader[m | tbh chimaera is stable in all but name now | 11:09 |
| sadoon_albader[m | I use it daily on all my machines | 11:09 |
| hagbard | so do i | 11:09 |
| hagbard | what's the next name for next testing after chimaera? | 11:14 |
| sadoon_albader[m | Apparently the release files say Daedalus? | 11:17 |
| hagbard | Ah, there's a daedalus repo, nice, | 11:19 |
| sadoon_albader[m | I'll install a vm with it just for giggles | 11:20 |
| skinnyboy_ | Hello | 12:46 |
| skinnyboy_ | Idk what am i doing wrong i just wanna install a stub grub efi on efi partition ando i cant | 12:54 |
| skinnyboy_ | I got all perfect | 12:54 |
| skinnyboy_ | I said yes the first time with gui install but it didnt work | 12:55 |
| skinnyboy_ | And now i said no but i dont have bootloader xD | 12:55 |
| skinnyboy_ | It gives me an error with mok | 12:59 |
| skinnyboy_ | Okey | 13:02 |
| skinnyboy_ | There is a problem in my UEFI with this bootloader: shimx64.efi | 13:02 |
| skinnyboy_ | I had It to change It to grubx64.efi | 13:03 |
| skinnyboy_ | With efibootmgr | 13:03 |
| skinnyboy_ | Someone can give me light why dont work with shim? | 13:03 |
| skinnyboy_ | I GOT IT!!! | 13:08 |
| skinnyboy_ | :))) | 13:08 |
| junicchi | it seems like grub is in console mode by default on devuan | 22:32 |
| junicchi | anyone know how can i put it into graphical mode? | 22:32 |
| fsmithred | you just see the generic blue grub screen? | 22:33 |
| fsmithred | did you install a desktop from the installer? | 22:34 |
| fsmithred | (is desktop-base installed?) | 22:34 |
| fsmithred | is your root filesystem encrypted? | 22:34 |
| junicchi | fsmithred: my root system is encrypted and yes, i didn't install a desktop from installer, compiled i3 manually | 22:35 |
| fsmithred | put an image file in /boot/grub and run update-grub | 22:36 |
| fsmithred | that should give you a background image | 22:36 |
| junicchi | i put the image directly to /boot | 22:36 |
| fsmithred | I don't know if grub looks there | 22:36 |
| junicchi | also while specifying the image path, should i make it /boot/grub/path_to_image.jpg or directly path_to_image.jpg ? | 22:37 |
| fsmithred | where are you specifying? | 22:37 |
| fsmithred | just put it in /boot/grub/ and grub will find it | 22:37 |
| fsmithred | that is controlled by the scripts in /etc/grub.d/ | 22:38 |
| junicchi | /etc/grub.d is empty in my case | 22:38 |
| junicchi | >where are you specifying | 22:39 |
| junicchi | on config | 22:39 |
| junicchi | export GRUB_MENU_PICTURE="/boot/pics/pic.jpg" | 22:39 |
| fsmithred | oh | 22:39 |
| fsmithred | so I guess that should work | 22:39 |
| fsmithred | no /etc/grub.d/05_debian-theme? | 22:39 |
| fsmithred | it's in the grub-common package | 22:40 |
| junicchi | oh yeah, i was always checking /etc/default | 22:40 |
| junicchi | but it seems like there is also /etc/grubçd | 22:40 |
| fsmithred | not here | 22:40 |
| junicchi | so yes, there is a 05_debian-theme | 22:41 |
| junicchi | how should i set it? | 22:41 |
| fsmithred | put an image file in /boot/grub/ and run update-grub | 22:42 |
| fsmithred | watch the output and it'll tell you if it finds the image | 22:42 |
| junicchi | it found | 22:44 |
| junicchi | lemme reboot and see if it werks | 22:44 |
| ShorTie | how can i add -fPIC to the build process ?? | 22:46 |
| ShorTie | i'm trying to rebuild iptables with -fPIC | 22:50 |
| ShorTie | got it, CPPFLAGS += | 23:38 |
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