| judabuda | hello | 18:34 |
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| judabuda | im trying to install squirrelmail package, but seems it isn't in devuan package repo | 18:35 |
| UsL | can't see it in https://pkgmaster.devuan.org/bannedpackages.txt | 18:47 |
| UsL | either | 18:47 |
| judabuda | how to install it then? | 18:48 |
| UsL | don't know. Usually when a package is missing it's too systemd dependent and end up banned. | 18:49 |
| UsL | is it in the debian repo? | 18:49 |
| judabuda | UsL: yes | 18:53 |
| judabuda | should be | 18:53 |
| UsL | otherwise I guess grab the tar balls https://www.squirrelmail.org/download.php | 18:54 |
| judabuda | UsL: then what? is there auto install script? | 18:59 |
| golinux | What is in your sources.list? | 18:59 |
| golinux | Don't paste too many lines here or you may get kicked | 19:00 |
| golinux | paste somewhere. | 19:00 |
| judabuda | deb http://deb.devuan.org/merged beowulf main non-free contrib | 19:01 |
| judabuda | deb http://deb.devuan.org/merged beowulf-updates main non-free contrib | 19:01 |
| judabuda | deb http://deb.devuan.org/merged beowulf-security main non-free contrib | 19:01 |
| judabuda | golinux: | 19:01 |
| golinux | Hmmm . . . | 19:04 |
| golinux | OK I checked and looks lie it hasn't been in Debian since jessie. | 19:05 |
| golinux | http://archive.devuan.org/merged jessie | 19:06 |
| golinux | Which means it's been removed from the debian repos for some reason | 19:07 |
| golinux | judabuda: I should have included a link: https://pkginfo.devuan.org/cgi-bin/policy-query.html?c=package&q=squirrelmail&x=submit | 19:50 |
| peterrooney | I have added "snd_hda_intel index=1,0" to /etc/modules and rebooted, but the output of aplay --list does show a changed ordering. That is not expected. | 20:14 |
| freemangordon | any hint why 'gio mount -d $DEVICE' would give 'gio: $DEVICE: No volume for device file' | 20:28 |
| freemangordon | sure there is no volume, but I was expecting it to be created when $DEVICE gets plugged in. $DEVICE is /dev/sdb1 and is a partition on USB drive | 20:29 |
| peterrooney | I get the sense that I've ended up in an XY situation. I just want sound to work at all in chimaera just as it does in beowulf. Instead, I'm trying a ridiculously large number of intrusive OS modifications. | 20:49 |
| peterrooney | Now I'm looking at unbinding stuff in /sys/bus/... instead of just selecting a soundcard and adjusting volume. | 20:50 |
| peterrooney | blacklisting & rebooting... | 20:58 |
| peterrooney | Yep, I'm definitely in XY territory here. Apparently, blacklisting a module, running depmod, and updating initramfs are not enough to stop a module from being loaded. What next, to get sound operating correctly? | 21:58 |
| gnarface | how exactly did you blacklist which module now? | 21:59 |
| peterrooney | gnarface: I added "blacklist snd_hda_codec_hdmi" to /etc/modules.d/snd_hda_codec_hdmi-blacklist.conf ; ran depmod -a; update-initramfs -u | 22:02 |
| peterrooney | and yes, I can hear you saying "why on earth is this even being tried" under your breath. | 22:03 |
| gnarface | shoulda worked i dunno | 22:04 |
| peterrooney | new hardware forced a move from beowulf to chimaera to get video operating (thanks, amd), the only difference visible in the sound (tree /sys/bus/hdaudio) is an additional audio card | 22:09 |
| peterrooney | the sound on this system is exceptionally flakey and I can't yet identify why. alsa tutorials on the internet seem worse than bash tutorials on the internet. | 22:14 |
| gnarface | well it's the snd_hda_intel driver | 22:15 |
| gnarface | it's haunted | 22:15 |
| gnarface | do you need both sound cards or can you disable on in the bios? | 22:16 |
| gnarface | might be easier | 22:16 |
| peterrooney | if i disable it in the bios i end up with only the S/PDIF outputs visible. | 22:17 |
| gnarface | you mean the ones on the video card? | 22:17 |
| DashiePie | trust me when I say, everything intel is cursed | 22:17 |
| gnarface | peterrooney: does speaker-test work? | 22:18 |
| gnarface | peterrooney: when you say it's flaky can you elaborate? | 22:19 |
| peterrooney | no video card, just onboard amd ryzen 7 | 22:19 |
| gnarface | if it's new hardware it might just not be auto-detecting right and maybe one of the generic models is close enough that you can override auto-detection to that | 22:20 |
| peterrooney | gnarface: speaker-test doesn't work by default, reading man page. and yes, I can elaborate for longer than anyone wants. VLC will work, for example, if I direct it to use particular parts,but then all other programs cannot play sound. | 22:24 |
| peterrooney | But, reading man page for speaker-test first to see if anything can be uncovered. | 22:24 |
| gnarface | well a couple things | 22:25 |
| gnarface | you're probably directing it to the wrong parts | 22:25 |
| gnarface | you're probably directing it to "hw" which would bypass dmix which would mean the card can only play one thing at a time - that part is actually expected behavior | 22:25 |
| gnarface | the part about needing to specify it is not | 22:26 |
| Walex | peterrooney: http://www.sabi.co.uk/Notes/linuxSoundALSA.html#troubles | 22:26 |
| gnarface | it is common for misdetected cards to not have "!default" set correctly | 22:26 |
| peterrooney | i know nothing of dmix. | 22:26 |
| gnarface | which is also easy enough to route around with a custom ~/.asoundrdc | 22:27 |
| gnarface | i mean ~/.asoundrc | 22:27 |
| peterrooney | gnarface: sorry, still working on speaker-test | 22:27 |
| gnarface | try this: speaker-test -c 2 -D "plug:\"dmix:hw,0\"" | 22:29 |
| gnarface | if that plays, it should also allow multiple instances | 22:29 |
| gnarface | -c 2 might be necessary because strangely enough they're starting to omit 1-channel audio support... somehow | 22:30 |
| gnarface | at the hardware level | 22:31 |
| gnarface | cheapskates somehow managed to provide a soundcard that can do 2, 3, 4, 6, or 8 channel sound but not 1 | 22:32 |
| peterrooney | gnarface: no luck, however, the output of aplay -L | grep dmix" is... | 22:32 |
| gnarface | use paste.debian.net for pastes | 22:32 |
| peterrooney | dmix:CARD=Generic,DEV=3 | 22:32 |
| gnarface | try this then: speaker-test -c 2 -D"plug:\"dmix:Generic,3\"" | 22:33 |
| peterrooney | gnarface: thanks, http://paste.debian.net/1213483/ | 22:34 |
| gnarface | ah, you have Generic and Generic_1 | 22:34 |
| gnarface | if Generic doesn't work try: speaker-test -c 2 -D"plug:\"dmix:Generic_1,X\"" where X is one of those devs | 22:35 |
| gnarface | beware of mismatching counting from index of 0 or index of 1 though, the actual value might be one higher or lower in some contexts .... | 22:36 |
| peterrooney | gnarface: why is it that for so many linux tools, there is a mismatch between how bus IDs are reported and how they are expected as inpu. | 22:36 |
| gnarface | i don't know, i didn't do it | 22:36 |
| peterrooney | gnarface: not blaming you, then. | 22:37 |
| gnarface | do either of those last speaker-test commands work? | 22:37 |
| peterrooney | gnarface: Generic_1,0 works, Generic_1,1 is silence. | 22:37 |
| gnarface | alright cool | 22:37 |
| gnarface | that's progress | 22:37 |
| gnarface | to make it the default you just need a ~/.asoundrc | 22:38 |
| gnarface | 3 lines | 22:38 |
| gnarface | https://paste.debian.net/1213484/ | 22:39 |
| gnarface | there | 22:39 |
| gnarface | try that for your ~/.asoundrc | 22:39 |
| gnarface | then everything should magically work | 22:39 |
| gnarface | line #3 isn't strictly necessary as 0 is the default but i included it there for your reference in case you need to use this on the other devices | 22:40 |
| peterrooney | i am considering running a thourough test on all devices: | 22:41 |
| peterrooney | for c in $(aplay -L | grep ^[a-zA-Z] | sed 's/CARD=//; s/DEV=//' ) ; do speaker-test -c 2 -D"$c" ; done | 22:41 |
| gnarface | well the hdmi ones will be useless unless something is attached | 22:41 |
| peterrooney | gnarface: probably useless since there are no speakers on the monitor. | 22:42 |
| peterrooney | gnarface: well this is better, VLC plays using default device instead of me having to manually specify one. other sound tests (particularly midi, and also simultaneous applications) to follow | 22:45 |
| gnarface | i think the index= thing might have worked you just had the syntax or numbers wrong or something | 22:59 |
| peterrooney | possible. I ran across the format in several forums and it seemed plausible. | 23:08 |
| peterrooney | well, rosegarden is working as expected. Still not able to have two applications using sound at same time. | 23:12 |
| peterrooney | afk; appointment, gnarface that's such an improvent, thank you | 23:13 |
| gnarface | no problem | 23:17 |
| gnarface | enabling dmix will take more than 3 lines | 23:26 |
| ktinos89 | hey | 23:48 |
| ktinos89 | will devuan move to a more modern init (excluding the systemd mess of course) like openrc, runit, or even s6? | 23:49 |
| ktinos89 | sysv is way too old at this point | 23:49 |
| sadsnork | Looks like ktinos89 didn't hang around very long, but in case anyone finds this question in the chanlogs, take a look at the first set of bullet points here https://www.devuan.org/os/init-freedom | 23:51 |
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