| * fluffywolf assumes a nyanolantern is a cat playing in a giant pumpkin. :P | 01:58 | |
| linux_n | Has anyone gotten playonlinux to work on devuan beowulf? | 04:34 |
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| gnarface | i haven't tested it but wine-staging from winehq works | 04:35 |
| gnarface | just make sure not to mix it with any devuan wine packages | 04:35 |
| linux_n | ok | 04:36 |
| linux_n | I have gotten playonlinux to work on xubuntu but not on debian or devuan it gives me a error. | 04:39 |
| linux_n | This is the error i get ---> Error in POL_Wine | 04:42 |
| linux_n | Wine seems to have crashedIf your program is running, just ignore this message | 04:42 |
| linux_n | Error in POL_Wine | 04:42 |
| gour | morning | 09:02 |
| gour | it looks that my decision to migrate from debian/sid to mxlinux (beta) was mistake which i'd like toremedy now...so, wonder what is the current state of ceres? | 09:04 |
| ShorTie | ceres is fine/great | 09:46 |
| ShorTie | time to wipe-n-reload it sounds like | 09:46 |
| * gour is dl-ing iso image | 09:49 | |
| gour | ok, see you (hopefully) soon under ceres... | 09:57 |
| * gour is waving from brand new ceres installation | 13:54 | |
| user____ | I have the same trouble again with Vivaldi browser. It is in Beowulf, vivaldi-stable, every time I update it it puts itself in 1000 MIME handler program locations, tries to open everything from jpg to html to xfce4-terminal links in itself. I will file a complaint upstream but has anyone else seen this / has a fix? | 14:29 |
| user____ | I tinkered with /etc/mailcap and ~/.config/*/mailcap* ad nauseam, also with xfce4 MIME support GUI, not helping | 14:30 |
| user____ | xdg-open opens firefox as expected, www-browser was edited to open firefox, most vivaldi links in MIME types were edited out, xfce4-terminal STILL opens web links in vivaldi?! | 14:31 |
| DPA | user____: I think the relevant entries of `update-alternatives` are "x-www-browser" and "gnome-www-browser" rather than "www-browser", which is for console browsers such as links. | 14:37 |
| DPA | Maybe check what they're set to using `update-alternatives --get-selections` | 14:37 |
| user____ | I meant "x-www-browser" and it is pinned by me to firefox | 14:37 |
| user____ | I am force-reinstalling firefox to see if it fixes the problem | 14:38 |
| user____ | The Vivaldi MIME pollution problem also occurred in the previous versions | 14:38 |
| user____ | Reinstalling firefox-esr does not fix it. | 14:40 |
| user____ | Opening a new terminal session (xfce4-terminal) does not pick up firefox as browser, links open in vivaldi | 14:41 |
| user____ | At this point I want to know ALL mime mailcap and printcap vivaldi has changed on the system, dissecting package. | 14:41 |
| DPA | That really is odd. I don't know why something like that may happen. I guess you could also check what `xdg-mime query default x-scheme-handler/http` and `xdg-mime query default x-scheme-handler/https` are set to, and maybe restart the session. | 14:43 |
| user____ | Yep those two are set to vivaldi | 14:47 |
| user____ | /opt/vivaldi/cron/vivaldi worries me, it installs custom apt keys | 14:51 |
| user____ | /opt/vivaldi/WidevineCdm ships as broken link to /opt/google/chrome/WidevineCdm | 14:52 |
| user____ | How do I restart the xfce4 session again? | 14:55 |
| DPA | Logout & Login | 14:57 |
| user____ | Ew. That will nuke my dozen or so open windows | 14:57 |
| user____ | Still xfce4-terminal links open in Vivaldi | 14:58 |
| user____ | And xdg-mime shows vivaldi as default, even after I used xdg-mime default firefox /etc/ | 14:59 |
| user____ | xdg-mime default firefox.desktop x-scheme-handler/http | 14:59 |
| user____ | -> no change even after session restart, query shows vivaldi | 15:00 |
| user____ | Where is the mime settings file stored? | 15:01 |
| user____ | The xdg-mime manpage has no FILES section. | 15:03 |
| user____ | xdg-mime uses dbus. | 15:15 |
| user____ | and is a shell script | 15:15 |
| DPA | I have to use firefox-esr.desktop, specifying firefox.desktop silently fails for me, it probably just doesn't find it. | 15:18 |
| user____ | /home/user/.config/mimeapps.list has no mention of vivaldi, since it installs itself in /etc/printcap | 15:19 |
| zeron | Barebones install, no GUI, trying to run tasksel. No results. Tasksel is installed, but just doesn't start. What could be the problem? | 15:19 |
| user____ | DPA: try locate firefox.desktop , it exists here | 15:19 |
| user____ | DPA that seems to have fixed it here too, using firefox-esr.desktop | 15:20 |
| user____ | /usr/share/xfce4/helpers/firefox.desktop exists but not in ~ | 15:20 |
| user____ | /etc/xdg/* has no mention of vivaldi per grep -Ri | 15:22 |
| user____ | sudo grep -Ril vivaldi /etc/ 2>/dev/null -> lots of scary stuff, including patched /etc/apt/trusted.gpg with vivaldi keys, which are repatched (!!) via cron.daily (!) | 15:23 |
| blockhead | "lots of scary stuff" :) | 15:24 |
| blockhead | that's something I'd say | 15:24 |
| user____ | Yeah I am not finished. What do you expect, it's Chrome (mium) based... | 15:24 |
| user____ | World domination syndrome. Poettering syndrome? | 15:24 |
| blockhead | i never used vivaldi so i can't say | 15:25 |
| DPA | Me neither. | 15:25 |
| user____ | Reading /etc/mailcap after installing vivaldi on Beowulf finds: application/pdf; /usr/bin/vivaldi-stable ... application/rdf+xml; /usr/bin/vivaldi-stable ... application/rss+xml; /usr/bin/vivaldi-stable ... application/xhtml+xml; /usr/bin/vivaldi-stable ... application/xhtml_xml; /usr/bin/vivaldi-stable ... image/gif; /usr/bin/vivaldi-stable ... image/jpeg; /usr/bin/vivaldi-stable ... etc | 15:26 |
| user____ | Now, in xfce4-settings MIME Type Editor, plenty of Vivaldi, again, all the above! | 15:28 |
| user____ | Strange I can't find the xfce4 MIME Type Editor's databased | 15:33 |
| blockhead | that starts to sound like mucking about with regedit :o | 15:33 |
| user____ | YESS. Argh. | 15:33 |
| gour | hello, have problem sending with msmtp - i get: ecret-tool: Cannot spawn a message bus when setuid although i've disable apparmor, but see that /usr/bin/msmtp set gid -on execution. any hint? | 15:42 |
| gour | *secret-tool (which i use to retrieve password from the keyring) | 15:48 |
| user____ | DPA: the file used by xfce4-mime-settings is /usr/share/applications/defaults.list | 15:50 |
| user____ | after trying dozens of others, and that is the vivaldi polluted one | 15:50 |
| DPA | Interesting, I don't even have that file. | 15:52 |
| user____ | /usr/share/applications/defaults.list && /usr/share/applications/mimeinfo.cache need editing for de-vivaldi-ization | 15:52 |
| user____ | DPA: install vivaldi and you will have it? | 15:52 |
| user____ | Vivaldi is a nice browser, Opera followup, not open source, but opens sites which firefox has trouble with. | 15:53 |
| user____ | [necessary]. Also has decent adblocks, plugins, handles ftp (dropped by firefox), and email | 15:53 |
| * user____ was an opera user and now likes vivaldi - which is based in Iceland! | 15:53 | |
| user____ | [genuine trolling here] ;) | 15:54 |
| user____ | What it took to fix it: strace -ff xfce4-mime-settings -> read output and walk down all config files opened (over a dozen) | 15:55 |
| user____ | <rant>This process should be implemented and automated: whenever a devuan manpage exists whose FILES section is missing or empty, auto list the package as broken, for review. | 15:57 |
| * user____ broke the channel again | 16:57 | |
| pablocastellanos | Hi! I want to disable automount (on mate) to run some diagnostics on a usb drive as root. How to disable automount? | 20:06 |
| djph | I guess a udev rule pablocastellanos ? | 20:07 |
| djph | although I can't say I've seen my devuan boxes auto-mount anything | 20:07 |
| pablocastellanos | djph: I think last time, I only disable eudev, but I'm pretty sure this usb drive needs love before something can finish corrupting the file-system | 20:08 |
| pablocastellanos | djph: To my bad luck I'm running a DE on this devuan box and no other box available to run without X | 20:09 |
| pablocastellanos | djph: I'm going to read udev documentation on rules. | 20:09 |
| gnarface | there's also maybe a mini live image you could use still without a gui | 20:10 |
| pablocastellanos | gnarface: Problem is, no box available, and I'm running some important stuff on this mate session. | 20:10 |
| gnarface | i think automount is being handled by the udisks2 daemon though and you can probably just disable it temporarily | 20:10 |
| gnarface | depending on what "important stuff" constitutes it could be a risk, i dunno | 20:11 |
| gnarface | i've been purposefully avoiding automount for years because of what a joke it was for Windows security | 20:11 |
| pablocastellanos | gnarface: Ha ha ha ha | 20:12 |
| pablocastellanos | gnarface: How do you permanently disabled automount? | 20:14 |
| gnarface | pablocastellanos: uninstall udisks2 | 20:14 |
| gnarface | but then you disable gui mounting too | 20:14 |
| gnarface | then you gotta break out a root terminal to mount anything | 20:14 |
| gnarface | security and convenience are enemies | 20:15 |
| pablocastellanos | gnarface: OK, I'll pin udisk2 on my future chimaera installation. | 20:15 |
| gnarface | alright, just don't forget why you did it then still blame it on me | 20:16 |
| pablocastellanos | gnarface: I was never a fan of automount. But most tips are systemd specific. | 20:16 |
| pablocastellanos | gnarface: And other boxes don't really need GUI | 20:17 |
| gnarface | yea, there might be a cleaner way to disable it but i usually just amputate packages i am not using | 20:17 |
| pablocastellanos | gnarface: Ha ha ha ha ha, very radical solution. | 20:17 |
| gnarface | well it saves on drive space | 20:34 |
| djph | pablocastellanos: why can't you just umount? | 20:37 |
| gnarface | djph: suspected filesystem corruption; fear that mounting will deteriorate it faster | 20:42 |
| gnarface | (a valid concern with some filesystems, i think; i'd want to dd a copy of it to try recovery on the copy first) | 20:43 |
| djph | definitely | 20:48 |
| djph | missed it was suspected corruption | 20:48 |
| user____ | fwiw most usb / ssds with failing media "freeze writes", but some become completely unreadable ime. | 20:51 |
| user____ | Also media should not automount unless selected to do so in the file manager. If there is no running X11 session then that will not happen (mounting). In theory. | 20:52 |
| pablocastellanos | djph: gnarface: Sorry guys. Reading on udev rules. But I think I need to take a break, nap, something. This is a very important computer that monitors seismic activity to detect nuclear tests. So I have a spare, but is different arch. Suspected fs corruption on the bad one. | 20:53 |
| pablocastellanos | djph: gnarface: But also want to prevent changing fs of spare, before dd-ing to have a backup if the fs will corrupt also (because of very persistent power outages). | 20:55 |
| gnarface | pablocastellanos: i'm sure you can do it with a udev rule too to surgically just choose this device model and ignore it | 20:56 |
| gnarface | pablocastellanos: that's just a lot more complicated than uninstalling udisks2 | 20:56 |
| gnarface | (so that it can't) | 20:56 |
| gnarface | considering the stakes though maybe we should think this out more.... | 20:56 |
| user____ | to work around power outages, try to work on a laptop for recovery, or borrow an UPS. | 20:58 |
| pablocastellanos | gnarface: Rule written, time to test with a usb3 HDD. Thanks guys | 20:58 |
| user____ | Systems which "monitor seismic networks to detect nukes" are quite rare on the planet and well funded, they tend to have UPS too... what are we missing? | 20:59 |
| pablocastellanos | user____: Power outages exceeds the capacity of the three UPSs and 16 additional full size 12 V sealed batteries | 20:59 |
| user____ | Geophone network monitoring for non nuke seismic activity is much more lax | 20:59 |
| * _ds_ prefers to use pmount for portable storage, where possible | 21:00 | |
| user____ | pablocastellanos: then the installation maintained by the UPS must be downsized? | 21:00 |
| pablocastellanos | user____: Well founded, ha ha ha ha ha ha ha | 21:00 |
| user____ | pablocastellanos: yes, well founded. Because nuke is a magic word which adds two zeros to any funding and costs related to it. | 21:00 |
| pablocastellanos | user____: Not in my country. | 21:00 |
| user____ | Seismic, not so much, depending in country. Look at poor Spain... | 21:00 |
| user____ | pablocastellanos: then perhaps someone considers you should not monitor nukes? :) | 21:01 |
| pablocastellanos | user____: Spain looks very wealthy to me. | 21:01 |
| user____ | But only pretend to. | 21:01 |
| user____ | pablocastellanos: wealthy and prepared to do the right thing quickly are 2 very different things. I am amazed nobody got caught in between 2 lava streams on Palma | 21:02 |
| user____ | Because that is a sticky situation with very few exits, excepting helicopters which take the risk to fly through the ash clouds. | 21:02 |
| pablocastellanos | user____: In my country, 2500 people died three years ago (in a volcanic eruption) because our civil defense ignored our warnings to evacuate people. | 21:03 |
| user____ | I believe you. Sorry to hear that. | 21:03 |
| golinux | Please take it to #devuan-offtopic | 21:03 |
| user____ | Earth is quite unpredictable. | 21:03 |
| user____ | golinux: okay, sorry | 21:03 |
| user____ | Now about mounting and umounting: is there something which automounts media on insertion which cannot be turned off? I think not. The MBR will be read on insertion, but no mounting occurs, unless media automount (pictures music etc) is set in the gui file manager "Removable Drives and Media" settings, this is true for most wm's, Beowulf xfce4 Settings -> Removable Drives and Media has these tick boxes. | 21:05 |
| user____ | Reading the MBR will do no harm to the media pablocastellanos | 21:06 |
| user____ | pablocastellanos: so what wm are you using? | 21:07 |
| pablocastellanos | user____: djph: gnarface: Udev rule worked flawlessly | 21:11 |
| pablocastellanos | Thanks!!! | 21:11 |
| gnarface | pablocastellanos: glad to hear it worked out | 21:37 |
| luser978 | re, how did you fix it pablocastellanos ? the eude rule? | 21:39 |
| luser978 | eudev * | 21:39 |
| pablocastellanos | luser978: https://paste.debian.net/1214130/ | 22:01 |
| pablocastellanos | Oh, damn. He left. | 22:01 |
| luser978 | pablocastellanos: still here, thanks | 22:35 |
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