Hydragyrum | so with the newer 5.14 kernels my screen turns off during early/mid boot and doesn't come back, but with the 5.10 I still have, it works fine | 01:24 |
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Hydragyrum | dmesg output from a boot with the issue -> https://0x0.st/-E1f.0 | 01:26 |
_ds_ | Tried newer firmware? | 01:27 |
Hydragyrum | All packages are up-to-date with ceres | 01:28 |
Hydragyrum | Package: firmware-amd-graphics / Version: 20210315-2 / Status: install ok installed | 01:29 |
_ds_ | Hmm… doesn't look like Stoney Ridge firmware has been updated since 2018 | 01:33 |
_ds_ | (checking linux-firmware git) | 01:33 |
Hydragyrum | I see a couple bugs regarding amdgpu on 5.14 but none with the same results | 01:35 |
Hydragyrum | this seems to be about the same thing, reading now -> https://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/slackware-14/laptop-backlight-dims-to-zero-on-boot-with-kernel-5-14-0-a-4175700104/ | 01:37 |
_ds_ | I'd look at https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/drm/amd/-/issues | 01:37 |
_ds_ | Also OFTC/#radeon | 01:38 |
Hydragyrum | well a udev rule fixed it | 01:49 |
_ds_ | Or at least worked around it… | 01:51 |
Hydragyrum | well yeah | 01:53 |
yann-kaelig | Hello | 15:18 |
gnarface | hey, if you have questions just ask them and wait patiently | 15:18 |
yann-kaelig | Which package should I install or how can I change the language on cinnamon DE. There is no such thing in the settings | 15:19 |
gnarface | the package is called locales | 15:19 |
gnarface | to change the settings run "dpkg-reconfigure locales" | 15:19 |
gnarface | depending on what you change it to you might also need to run "dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration" and install some fonts | 15:20 |
gnarface | i'm not familiar with cinnamon DE so i don't know if it provides any gui options to control this stuff | 15:20 |
gnarface | luckily you don't need it | 15:20 |
gnarface | if you're missing locales you're probably also missing tzdata, which isn't required for this but almost practically is | 15:21 |
gnarface | (same thing to change tzdata settings; dpkg-reconfigure tzdata) | 15:21 |
gnarface | (as root!) | 15:22 |
yann-kaelig | ok, locale-all has been installed, but from what I found on the webm there should be a Cinnamon Settings -> Languages entry, but there is no such thing from a devuan installation | 15:23 |
gnarface | locale-all? | 15:29 |
gnarface | that's not the locales packge | 15:29 |
gnarface | actually i don't even think that's a devuan package at all | 15:30 |
gnarface | are you sure? | 15:30 |
gnarface | forget about the cinnamon menu entry for the moment, i don't know if it's related to systemd or not | 15:30 |
gnarface | if that feature relied on system they might have removed it for this build | 15:31 |
gnarface | *on systemd | 15:31 |
yann-kaelig | well, same issue with mate, no way to change the language from the DE | 15:31 |
yann-kaelig | that really weird | 15:31 |
yann-kaelig | first time Isee that | 15:31 |
gnarface | i'm not sure what's up with that, i'm just saying, you can change it from a terminal anyway | 15:32 |
gnarface | the language menu setting for enlightenment used to show up last i checked but it breaks stuff so i just disable it and use the terminal | 15:32 |
gnarface | only thing i can suggest about the cinnamon thing is run this and make sure you got all the packages that are relevant: apt-cache search ^connamon | 15:33 |
gnarface | woops, i mean: apt-cache search ^cinnamon | 15:33 |
gnarface | obviously | 15:33 |
gnarface | cinnamon-l10n - Translation files for the Cinnamon desktop? | 15:34 |
gnarface | dunno | 15:34 |
gnarface | there's also this, which might help if you didn't use it: task-cinnamon-desktop - Cinnamon | 15:35 |
yann-kaelig | it's installed from the beginning, but no language entry in both Mate and Cinnamon GUI | 15:36 |
yann-kaelig | well, thx for you help, nothing changed, no language settings, will try to find another distro | 15:41 |
yann-kaelig | bye | 15:41 |
gnarface | you'd have to relog and restart the login manager first of course for any of those changes to take effect outside that one terminal probably, but sure why not just rage quit and reinstall instead | 15:51 |
brocashelm | distrohopping is a disease | 16:54 |
luser978 | widespread one brocashelm | 17:18 |
sadoon_albader[m | If distrohopping was a disease | 17:50 |
sadoon_albader[m | Then would trying out distros in vms be considered studying medicine? :P | 17:50 |
sadoon_albader[m | Perhaps if we considered distrohopping to be an addiction, then testing them out in vms would be doing just enough that you enjoy it but don't get addicted lmao | 17:52 |
luser978 | metabolism is an even wider spread "disease". let's take this *-offtopic. | 18:01 |
golinux | Offtopic again . . . | 18:03 |
user____ | Is Chimaera finally ripe? Ready to do update; upgrade; from Beowulf without disaster? | 18:15 |
golinux | iiuc, it has been for quite a while | 18:19 |
golinux | Just documentation outstanding and update of the live isos. | 18:19 |
golinux | RC coming very soon | 18:19 |
brocashelm | nice! | 18:53 |
brocashelm | glad to see it's coming through | 18:53 |
sadoon_albader[m | Been using it on 3 different architectures without trouble, you'll be fine with chimaera :) | 19:00 |
user____ | famous last words. I am an adept of dual booting, install to empty partitions, then switch over using grub menu. | 19:36 |
user____ | For this reason I need to clear out wheezy from said partitions ;) | 19:36 |
user____ | Without deleting important data. Will take a while. | 19:36 |
user____ | Does Chimaera have any special tricks related to SSDs? | 19:37 |
blockhead | i would think it should be the same as in debian? | 19:38 |
user____ | I have not touched debian since wheezy... | 19:38 |
blockhead | oh, you said wheezy. now i get it | 19:39 |
user____ | Think last century. Almost :) | 19:39 |
blockhead | yeah, now i realize | 19:39 |
blockhead | one word: discard | 19:39 |
blockhead | discards are a thing with SSDs - and I'm hoping someone better than me at explaining will step up :o | 19:40 |
user____ | Nono. /home etc hold data I need to ensure is not later rolled out of backups too | 19:40 |
* blockhead meants discards in a completely different sense | 19:40 | |
user____ | disc-cards? :) | 19:40 |
blockhead | it's an SSD thing to hopefully prolong the life of said SSD | 19:41 |
user____ | I actually should have an Etch on some disk here. | 19:41 |
blockhead | last time i used debian as like 2015? | 19:42 |
user____ | Last time I installed that, not used. | 19:42 |
user____ | I ran modified Knoppix until I installed Ascii then Beowulf. | 19:43 |
user____ | <this is getting off topic> | 19:43 |
blockhead | so is this a new SSD? meaning, have you partitioned it? | 19:45 |
user____ | It will be a new ssd, the last eide disk will be gone and replaced with a ssd. | 19:45 |
brocashelm | once upon a time, i installed beowulf, then changed my sources.list to ceres, and devuan lived happily ever after | 19:46 |
user____ | Is that not unsafe? | 19:46 |
brocashelm | nope. have not looked back since then | 19:47 |
brocashelm | i'm already running 5.14 kernel, too | 19:48 |
brocashelm | apt-listchanges and apt-listbugs come in handy when performing upgrades | 19:49 |
brocashelm | i've never had a system crash that wasn't my own mistake | 19:49 |
brocashelm | runs stable for weeks/months if i wanted to | 19:49 |
Afdal | Oof, does anyone use the R programming language? | 20:09 |
Afdal | I can't get RStudio to work because it requires libssl.so.1.0.2 | 20:09 |
Afdal | libssl1.1 is the only version in the repositories | 20:10 |
Afdal | Apparently people have been encountering this same problem in recent Ubuntu versions too | 20:11 |
Afdal | hol up, I'm a dumbo | 20:18 |
Afdal | Was using the wrong version :) | 20:18 |
Afdal | Always found it a little confusing how stable distro releases don't keep their programming languages up to date for programmers to use | 20:30 |
Afdal | What programmer wants to use an old version of a language? | 20:31 |
fluffywolf | some programming languages, most notably the awfulness that is python, break things with every update... | 20:32 |
Afdal | Which Debian release is Beowulf analogous to, is it Stretch? | 20:34 |
fluffywolf | https://www.devuan.org/os/releases | 20:36 |
Afdal | oh it's Buster | 20:36 |
fluffywolf | bbl, back to tree pruning, of the non-programming variety | 20:39 |
* Afdal trims a Bayesian additive regression tree | 20:40 | |
Afdal | Hmm how do I grab a newer version of software after I've added a backports repository? | 20:48 |
Afdal | I'm on Beowulf and it doesn't seem like adding this chimaera backports repo is letting me get what I want | 20:48 |
fluffywolf | apt-cache show <package>, apt-get install <package>=<version you want to install>, is how I usually do it. | 20:51 |
fluffywolf | bbl | 20:51 |
Afdal | oh I wanted the main repo, not the backports | 20:51 |
Afdal | okay | 20:52 |
Afdal | Now how do I only install this one particular package instead of a giant set of other package upgrades from chimaera... | 20:52 |
gnarface | --no-install-recommends | 20:53 |
Afdal | as an apt parameter? | 20:53 |
lts | If you are on beowulf, you need to use beowulf-backports, not chimaera-backports | 20:53 |
gnarface | yes try: apt-get --no-install-recommends install [package]=[version] | 20:53 |
gnarface | oh, if it's backports then it'd be: apt-get -t beowulf-backports --no-install-recommends install [package]=[version] | 20:54 |
Afdal | This isn't from backports | 20:54 |
Afdal | hmm no-install-recommends doesn't seem to be working | 20:54 |
Afdal | I keep getting presenting with a giant list of upgrades when attempting to install just this one package | 20:55 |
gnarface | it might actually need whatever it's including... | 20:55 |
fluffywolf | often newer programs have newer dependencies... | 20:55 |
Afdal | Could it really have 370MB of dependencies to upgrade? | 20:55 |
blockhead | what package is it? | 20:55 |
gnarface | did you ever upgrade? | 20:55 |
Afdal | the R programming language | 20:55 |
gnarface | make sure it's not removing anything | 20:55 |
Afdal | libwebp6? I doubt R needs that... | 20:56 |
lts | Are you sure you are not adding chimaera repos? You mention this above "I'm on Beowulf and it doesn't seem like adding this chimaera backports repo is letting me get what I want" | 20:56 |
Afdal | Yeah I removed the backports repo and changed it to chimaera main | 20:56 |
lts | Well that's your issue then | 20:56 |
Afdal | I want the version of this package that's on chimaera main | 20:56 |
lts | You are effectively upgrading to chimaera there, and not doing it fully | 20:57 |
Afdal | I don't wanna upgrade to chimaera, how do I just grab this one updated package that's on its repo {:I | 20:57 |
gnarface | you'd have to rebuild the package | 20:57 |
Afdal | aww seriously | 20:57 |
gnarface | unless someone already had | 20:57 |
gnarface | and put it in backports | 20:57 |
Afdal | might as well just compile this from source then, sheesh -_- | 20:58 |
lts | If the package is in beowulf-backports, you can use that. Or you can fully upgrade to chimaera | 20:58 |
gnarface | it's also an option but i recommend you still get the package dependencies right either way | 20:58 |
Afdal | I feel like there was some sort of repo I used back on *buntu to keep my R language updated | 20:58 |
gnarface | you could upgrade to chimera, or you could install chimera in a chroot just for R | 20:58 |
lts | Don't do franken-devuan by mixing the repos, though. Only use beowulf OR chimaera | 20:58 |
Afdal | bummer | 20:59 |
gnarface | sorry chimaera, i'm gonna have to get used to the spelling | 20:59 |
Afdal | So there's seriously no way to grab this one package update off another repo without doing a full upgrade? | 20:59 |
lts | Nothing wrong with chimaera though. It's so stable I personally wonder why isn't it officially released yet. :-) | 20:59 |
Afdal | I'm a little hesitant to upgrade to it just yet, but I probably will when it's released | 21:00 |
Afdal | It's precarious for me to do full OS installs on this hardware | 21:00 |
Afdal | so if something goes wrong I'm in trouble | 21:00 |
gnarface | like i said, you could install chimera in a chroot with debootstrap | 21:00 |
gnarface | then you don't have to upgrade | 21:00 |
gnarface | but you still have to download everything | 21:00 |
Afdal | that sounds tricky | 21:00 |
Afdal | I'll probably just compile and build my own package I guess | 21:01 |
Afdal | less messy | 21:01 |
gnarface | if their source has ./debian directories it might not be | 21:01 |
gnarface | sorry, i'm confusing two things here | 21:02 |
gnarface | the package build utilities can help you do this easier whether you're starting from scratch or using the repo packages, is what i should say | 21:02 |
gnarface | particularly dpkg-buildpackage | 21:03 |
Afdal | what's that do | 21:03 |
gnarface | you should really read the man page but it is the thing that uses that $SRC/debian/ directory to automate package build | 21:03 |
Afdal | How's that better than a make checkinstall | 21:03 |
gnarface | the existing dependencies are already in place and you can just make any alterations necessary | 21:04 |
gnarface | and you don't have to deal with ./configure, make, make install etc | 21:04 |
Afdal | what about apt-get build-dep? | 21:04 |
gnarface | you should use that | 21:05 |
gnarface | also: apt-get install build-essential | 21:06 |
gnarface | but even if you do that you'll probably still be missing yacc an bison | 21:06 |
Afdal | E: Unable to find a source package for r-base | 21:06 |
Afdal | oof, nevermind that | 21:06 |
Afdal | Oh apparently the Beowulf main source repository is commented out by default? | 21:07 |
Afdal | what's that all about? | 21:07 |
gnarface | i have no idea, it's been so long since i didn't write my own sources.list... | 21:08 |
Afdal | weird | 21:08 |
lts | deb-srcs being commented out is a pretty common default in debian based OSs | 21:08 |
Afdal | 800MB of source packages, damn... | 21:08 |
gnarface | languages are big | 21:10 |
gnarface | wait till you find out how much ram it takes to compile it | 21:10 |
Afdal | lol | 21:10 |
Afdal | -____- | 21:10 |
Afdal | I think I've compiled R before | 21:10 |
Afdal | don't remember it being -too- terrible | 21:10 |
gnarface | i don't actually know i just assume in general language compilation is gonna be a lot | 21:11 |
Afdal | Did it on a puny ancient laptop with only 2GB RAM too | 21:11 |
Afdal | yeah that version is somehow still more recent than the one on Beowulf's repo | 21:12 |
Afdal | I compiled that years ago | 21:12 |
Afdal | What's the release cycle like for Devuan | 21:13 |
Afdal | is it 3 years? | 21:13 |
gnarface | they just try to follow debian as close as is economically feasible | 21:13 |
Afdal | What's the release cycle like for Debian? | 21:13 |
gnarface | something like that, about 3 years | 21:14 |
gnarface | they never set an official time period, they just say "when it's done and sooner if you help" | 21:14 |
gnarface | the release date history is up on wikipedia, if you're interested | 21:17 |
gnarface | debootstrapping to a chroot isn't as hard as it sounds | 21:17 |
gnarface | if you're gonna be about compiling experimental language builds i would strongly recommend it | 21:18 |
gnarface | it should be within your grasp if you can compile this stuff to begin with | 21:18 |
Afdal | I honestly don't have a clue what you mean by debootstrapping to a chroot | 21:18 |
Afdal | Why a chroot would even be useful for this | 21:19 |
gnarface | so you don't have to corrupt your base beowulf install's package hierarchy with a bunch of chimaera packages and build dependencies | 21:21 |
gnarface | which would, to be clear, make a mess you won't be able to clean up | 21:21 |
Afdal | oh okay so using a separate library directory just for those? | 21:22 |
Afdal | What's a good place to stick that, somewhere in my home directory? | 21:22 |
gnarface | basically a whole separate rootfs actually, where you should be able to build, install and use the R language safely | 21:22 |
gnarface | literally anywhere you have space | 21:22 |
gnarface | since it's a big ad-hoc cludge i'd put it somewhere in /usr/local but that's just me | 21:23 |
Hydragyrum | home dir or /usr/local are both fine choices | 21:23 |
gnarface | /usr/local/chroots/ maybe | 21:23 |
gnarface | /usr/local/chroot_build_directory_for_R_so_as_not_to_confuse_it_with_anything_else | 21:23 |
gnarface | no wait | 21:24 |
gnarface | /usr/local/var/chroot_build_directory_for_R_so_as_not_to_confuse_it_with_anything_else | 21:24 |
gnarface | there :) | 21:24 |
Hydragyrum | hell, /var/chroots/* could be a fine place | 21:24 |
eyalroz | Are there any resources about getting starting with nftables/iptables/iptables-legacy on recent Debian distributions? | 21:26 |
eyalroz | Specifically, the default input policy seems to be DROP, and I want to add some exception for certain applications. What should I use? Is there someplace under /etc/ with a bunch of nft rule files? Or should I use ye olde hosts.allow and hosts.deny? Something else? | 21:26 |
gnarface | eyalroz: i usually just make my own scripts but you could try to customize iptables-persistent | 21:31 |
gnarface | (the package) | 21:31 |
gnarface | there might be some other firewall rule managers too | 21:31 |
gnarface | in thre | 21:31 |
gnarface | in there* | 21:31 |
eyalroz | gnarface: What generates the rules I see with iptables-legacy-save? | 21:31 |
gnarface | i assume they were generated by the package installation scripts if they're not static | 21:32 |
gnarface | like i said, i usually just write my own script | 21:32 |
gnarface | running a script as an init.d service isn't really a firewall-specific task | 21:33 |
eyalroz | gnarface: If they are static, where would I find the relevant script? To be more specific, let's consider a single rule: A INPUT -p tcp -m tcp --dport 22 -j ACCEPT | 21:38 |
gnarface | eyalroz: if they're static then they'd be in the package's file list: dpkg -L iptables-legacy-save | 22:10 |
eyalroz | gnarface: I don't even have that installed :-P | 22:13 |
gnarface | oh | 22:18 |
gnarface | well dpkg -L [package name] | 22:18 |
golinux | Bullseye Point Release happened yesterday https://www.debian.org/News/2021/20211009 | 22:49 |
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