golinux | judabuda: Trinity desktop is not available via devuan. | 00:00 |
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golinux | But it is available in at least one derivative and from trinity directly | 00:00 |
fanderal | Is there a netinstall, minimal or mini ISO for Daedalus or Ceres? | 04:10 |
UsL | not sure. Choosing 4.0 chimaera and then change sourcelist to daedalus or ceres works though | 04:14 |
fanderal | had trouble in chimaera with 3 different ISOs... wouldn't boot after install | 04:15 |
fanderal | kernel panic | 04:16 |
UsL | kernel panic when trying to boot them? | 04:17 |
fanderal | I've looked through 8 repo and haven't seen ISOs for Daedalus or Cere | 04:18 |
fanderal | yes | 04:18 |
UsL | how do you make the boot image? | 04:18 |
fanderal | burn it to a CD with ncurses CDW | 04:19 |
fanderal | is that what you're asking | 04:20 |
UsL | did you try usb? | 04:21 |
fanderal | yes, that too | 04:21 |
UsL | same error? | 04:21 |
fanderal | every time, it installs without errror but won't boot | 04:22 |
fanderal | yes | 04:22 |
golinux | fanderal: There is never an iso for sid (unstable) | 04:23 |
UsL | huh. I wonder what happens right before the kernel panic.. | 04:23 |
fanderal | thanks golinux | 04:23 |
fanderal | UsL: should have copied the log | 04:24 |
golinux | Daedalus testing installer isos on the way soonish | 04:24 |
fanderal | golinux: good to know | 04:24 |
fanderal | a mini.iso? | 04:25 |
golinux | At some point. | 04:25 |
fanderal | :) | 04:25 |
golinux | Give us a break. We just busted our collective asses getting Chimaera released! | 04:26 |
UsL | you can try downgrading the kernel and try again I guess. | 04:26 |
fanderal | You get all the breaks you need. I'm in no hurry, just glad to know it's coming. | 04:26 |
fanderal | UsL: gonna try once more with Chimaera... if no go, then I'll go with Beowulf and upgrade. | 04:28 |
UsL | fourth time's the charm | 04:28 |
UsL | gl | 04:29 |
fanderal | You promise? ;) | 04:29 |
UsL | I do not : ) | 04:29 |
fanderal | thanks | 04:29 |
fanderal | lol, see ya | 04:29 |
UsL | yeah | 04:29 |
GoatAvenger | X2Go XFCE sessions are broken for me with Chimaera update, dunno if filing a bug report will make a difference.. | 06:59 |
sadoon_albader[m | Are there torrents for other architectures? | 08:07 |
sadoon_albader[m | I could only find a torrent for x86 and amd64 | 08:07 |
adhoc | sadoon_albader[m: which platform/arch ? | 08:11 |
sadoon_albader[m | Any | 08:11 |
CAPTCHA_REQUIRED | does anybody know how to get libgtk2-perl in chimaera? | 08:12 |
sadoon_albader[m | I'd just like to seed to support the distro and take off some bandwidth strain :) | 08:12 |
CAPTCHA_REQUIRED | debian removed it and it broke a whole bunch of dependent programs | 08:12 |
adhoc | CAPTCHA_REQUIRED: install it from CPAN ? | 08:12 |
CAPTCHA_REQUIRED | is it on cpan? | 08:12 |
CAPTCHA_REQUIRED | i tried searching libgtk2 on cpan but nothing installed | 08:12 |
adhoc | CAPTCHA_REQUIRED: do you care for it to be a debian package? | 08:12 |
CAPTCHA_REQUIRED | wdym? | 08:13 |
CAPTCHA_REQUIRED | it's not super important it's a debian package | 08:13 |
adhoc | https://metacpan.org/pod/Gtk2 | 08:13 |
CAPTCHA_REQUIRED | but eventually i'd like to put it back so gmusicbrowser will work | 08:13 |
CAPTCHA_REQUIRED | oh, just gtk2 | 08:13 |
CAPTCHA_REQUIRED | thanks | 08:13 |
adhoc | you're welcome =) | 08:13 |
adhoc | now ... | 08:13 |
adhoc | sadoon_albader[m: there are versions for arm/arm64 | 08:14 |
adhoc | not sure about torrents though | 08:14 |
adhoc | see #devuan-arm | 08:14 |
CAPTCHA_REQUIRED | finnaly switched over my old gentoo system to Devuan 4 =3 | 08:19 |
CAPTCHA_REQUIRED | it's much faster | 08:19 |
CAPTCHA_REQUIRED | though | 08:19 |
CAPTCHA_REQUIRED | this one weird thing | 08:19 |
CAPTCHA_REQUIRED | Audacious is laggy as hell dragging it around across the Xsession | 08:19 |
CAPTCHA_REQUIRED | no other program lags like that | 08:19 |
CAPTCHA_REQUIRED | Audacious also sometimes stutters playback but that's probably due to not running an MuQSS kernel | 08:20 |
CAPTCHA_REQUIRED | I'd like to eventually patch my kernel back with MuQSS cpu schedular | 08:20 |
CAPTCHA_REQUIRED | if nobody has done that already | 08:20 |
CAPTCHA_REQUIRED | oh, yeah also persist is broken in doas | 08:21 |
adhoc | I wonder if that uses software rendering SDL ? | 08:25 |
adhoc | I have had a few issues like that where the apps are not taking advantage of hardware support | 08:26 |
CAPTCHA_REQUIRED | how would i check? | 08:26 |
adhoc | good question | 08:28 |
adhoc | perhaps there is a way by looking at which libraries it is linked to ? | 08:28 |
adhoc | start with; ldd | 08:29 |
adhoc | for example; | 08:30 |
adhoc | $ ldd /usr/bin/firefox-esr | 08:30 |
CAPTCHA_REQUIRED | https://f.perl.bot/raw/68uu24 | 08:30 |
CAPTCHA_REQUIRED | qt | 08:30 |
adhoc | can you compare to your other system ? | 08:31 |
CAPTCHA_REQUIRED | no | 08:32 |
CAPTCHA_REQUIRED | but my other system used audacious3.x with gtk2 | 08:33 |
CAPTCHA_REQUIRED | i specificlly opted out of the audacious 4.x branch because it was full of regressions | 08:33 |
CAPTCHA_REQUIRED | is there anything I need to do on devuan to make qt5 use amdgpu acceleration? | 08:34 |
* adhoc does not know ... | 08:35 | |
* adhoc avoids gtk3 and qt like plague | 08:36 | |
adhoc | BBL | 08:36 |
CAPTCHA_REQUIRED | i avoid gtk3 like the plauge | 08:37 |
CAPTCHA_REQUIRED | qt5, I can deal with | 08:38 |
CAPTCHA_REQUIRED | especially qith qt5-styleplugins-gtk2 | 08:38 |
CAPTCHA_REQUIRED | BBL? what's the mean | 08:38 |
CAPTCHA_REQUIRED | brb | 08:41 |
CAPTCHA_REQUIRED | hey uh, | 08:50 |
CAPTCHA_REQUIRED | nevermind on that | 08:50 |
CAPTCHA_REQUIRED | i logged out and logged back in and now the lag is gone | 08:50 |
CAPTCHA_REQUIRED | must have done something without knowing what | 08:50 |
hyrcanus | CAPTCHA_REQUIRED: xfce ? | 09:07 |
CAPTCHA_REQUIRED | no | 09:07 |
hyrcanus | try tenacious | 09:07 |
hyrcanus | it fixes audacious bad | 09:07 |
CAPTCHA_REQUIRED | a customized patched version of dwm-6.8 | 09:07 |
hyrcanus | k | 09:07 |
CAPTCHA_REQUIRED | tenacious? | 09:07 |
hyrcanus | no | 09:07 |
hyrcanus | tenacity | 09:07 |
hyrcanus | dangit i got audacious confused with audacity | 09:08 |
hyrcanus | sorry | 09:08 |
CAPTCHA_REQUIRED | oh | 09:08 |
hyrcanus | audacious is the media player, right? | 09:08 |
CAPTCHA_REQUIRED | yes | 09:08 |
hyrcanus | forget my confusion please | 09:08 |
CAPTCHA_REQUIRED | it's fine, it's not happening anymore | 09:08 |
CAPTCHA_REQUIRED | oddly enough i can't find libbluecurve.so in devuan 4 so i just copied the .so and .la file from my old gentoo install into /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/gtk-2.0/2.10.0/engines/ and audacious seems to work fine again | 09:09 |
CAPTCHA_REQUIRED | it's a concerning hack | 09:15 |
CAPTCHA_REQUIRED | but it works | 09:15 |
CAPTCHA_REQUIRED | more worried about why the bluecurve engine is missing | 09:15 |
CAPTCHA_REQUIRED | i hate redhat | 09:18 |
hyrcanus | between 1999 and 2003 i had to do some redhat and preferred debian | 09:20 |
CAPTCHA_REQUIRED | your lucky you had to deal with them in 2004, instead of in 2014-2021 | 09:22 |
CAPTCHA_REQUIRED | huh | 09:24 |
CAPTCHA_REQUIRED | tank/ROOT/chimaera 3.01G 4.90T 3.05G / | 09:24 |
CAPTCHA_REQUIRED | tank/ROOT/gentoo 37.1G 4.90T 32.7G /mnt/zroot/gentoo | 09:24 |
CAPTCHA_REQUIRED | that must be why things are a lot snappier loading things | 09:24 |
CAPTCHA_REQUIRED | I've got the same software installed, yet it only consumes 3G instead of 37G | 09:25 |
hyrcanus | that's because you don't need the sources to all that code and libraries right | 09:42 |
CAPTCHA_REQUIRED | probably | 09:43 |
CAPTCHA_REQUIRED | but even then, gentoo binaries seem to be on average a bit bigger | 09:43 |
CAPTCHA_REQUIRED | and dev headers too | 09:43 |
adilix | hi all | 11:10 |
adilix | if i would install devuan with the network installer would i get the (download) firmwares for my wifi card? so i can configure it at installation. the normal cd doesnt have the firmwares | 11:14 |
buZz | really? it should have them | 11:15 |
buZz | which wifi firmware does your card need? | 11:15 |
adilix | i need ralink drivers | 11:16 |
buZz | thats pretty old stuff | 11:16 |
adilix | its a pretty old netbook :) | 11:16 |
buZz | are they in non-free? | 11:17 |
adilix | i think so | 11:18 |
buZz | > All Devuan 2.1 ASCII install media make non-free firmware packages available at install time. | 11:18 |
buZz | from > https://files.devuan.org/devuan_ascii/Release_notes.txt | 11:18 |
buZz | i kinda -assume- thats still the case today | 11:18 |
buZz | adilix: are you sure the firmware is even in devuan at all? | 11:19 |
adilix | when i select to look in media he doesnt find them | 11:19 |
buZz | thats correct | 11:19 |
buZz | check if firmware-misc-nonfree is installed | 11:20 |
buZz | or firmware-ralink | 11:20 |
adilix | i mean at the time of installation | 11:20 |
adilix | he cant get the firmware on cd | 11:20 |
buZz | 'look in media' is not whats needed for isos that already include the firmware | 11:20 |
buZz | thats for manually loading stuff from usb stick or something | 11:20 |
buZz | the firmware file isnt called 'firmware-ralink' | 11:25 |
adilix | and now it is in the package firmware-misc afaik | 11:25 |
buZz | the package isnt important, its as a raw firmware file on the iso | 11:25 |
adilix | i mean before the 4 version | 11:25 |
buZz | with the filename matching what the -kerneldriver- expects | 11:25 |
adilix | yes but i need it to enable the ralink , i use it only with wifi | 11:26 |
buZz | there's no need to enable it manually , the installer should find it automagically and load the needed firmware | 11:26 |
adilix | should i try to install it as expert installation? | 11:26 |
adilix | but he doesnt | 11:26 |
buZz | just continue beyond that step | 11:26 |
adilix | tried 3 times yesterday, no luck | 11:26 |
adilix | without enabling any network device? | 11:27 |
buZz | probably something else is wrong, maybe rfkill ? | 11:27 |
Guest83 | anybody hear) | 13:44 |
ShorTie | i am, sup ?? | 13:47 |
adilix | so... people its installed now, but how do i install now the missing firmware, i tried apt-get install firmware-misc but no luck | 18:18 |
sadoon_albader[m | Did you add the nonfree repo? | 18:21 |
sadoon_albader[m | If you need a proprietary firmware you need the nonfree repo | 18:21 |
sadoon_albader[m | Check out this page | 18:21 |
adilix | yes the non-free is enabled | 18:22 |
CAPTCHA_REQUIRED | there's a nonfree firmware package too | 18:22 |
CAPTCHA_REQUIRED | linux-firmware-nonfree or something | 18:22 |
CAPTCHA_REQUIRED | it contains the faustian blobs | 18:22 |
CAPTCHA_REQUIRED | firmware-linux-nonfree | 18:23 |
CAPTCHA_REQUIRED | firmware-misc-nonfree | 18:23 |
sadoon_albader[m | https://www.devuan.org/os/packages | 18:24 |
sadoon_albader[m | Yes and I also beleive there's specific packages for networking, graphics, etc | 18:24 |
sadoon_albader[m | https://www.devuan.org/os/packages | 18:26 |
adilix | i need the firmware for ralink wifi card | 18:26 |
adilix | i think its in firmware misc | 18:26 |
sadoon_albader[m | You can always check by looking at /lib/firmware | 18:29 |
adilix | found it its firmware-misc-nonfree | 18:29 |
sadoon_albader[m | It should have a sensible name like "/lib/firmware/ralink" | 18:29 |
Tenkawa | btw a nice way when in doubt if you have inet access up front is to install apt-file | 18:33 |
Tenkawa | then you can use apt-file search lib/firmware/missingfile to find the missing pkg for example | 18:33 |
Tenkawa | (after running sudo apt-file update) | 18:33 |
Tenkawa | apt-file is very handy for that exact scenario you had | 18:34 |
Guest45 | found an answer why my X setup takes 70MB of memory more | 18:42 |
Guest45 | i don't get it but it looks like new i3is much heavier | 18:43 |
Guest45 | old i3 96MB, icewm 96MB, new i3 150MB :| | 18:44 |
Tenkawa | Guest45: different motherboard is probably doing a different shared amount of video memory | 18:51 |
Guest45 | eberything is the same | 18:52 |
Guest45 | same config (with autostarted apps) 120MB vs 170MB | 18:52 |
Tenkawa | Guest45: if its not a discrete video card thats highly doubtful unless its the "exact" same motherboard including revision and all bios settings | 18:53 |
Guest45 | it is just devuan update | 18:53 |
Tenkawa | you just said old i3 and new i3.. not new and old devuan | 18:53 |
Tenkawa | misleading | 18:53 |
Guest45 | new i3 with new devuan | 18:54 |
Guest45 | but other managers use the same amount of memory | 18:54 |
Guest45 | even icewm takes +-100 | 18:54 |
Tenkawa | what is different then? you are being very vague | 18:55 |
Tenkawa | do you have 2 boards or 1? | 18:55 |
Guest45 | di you mean motherboards? | 18:56 |
Tenkawa | yes | 18:56 |
Guest45 | why do you ask about it? it is the same machine | 18:56 |
Guest45 | i know there is a few MB differences between machines I use - I understand that | 18:57 |
Tenkawa | because you said "(12:44:11 PM) Guest45: old i3 96MB, icewm 96MB, new i3 150MB :|" that implies 2 seperate pieces of hardware | 18:57 |
Guest45 | but on this exactly machine it is 50MB+ | 18:57 |
Tenkawa | 50 | 18:57 |
Guest45 | i3 is window manager | 18:58 |
Tenkawa | ahh,,, | 18:58 |
Tenkawa | i3 wm not i3 cpu | 18:58 |
Tenkawa | i3 is also an intel cpu btw | 18:58 |
Guest45 | i have never heard about i3 cpu ;) | 18:58 |
igraltist_1 | hi | 18:58 |
Tenkawa | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_Core#Core_i3 | 18:59 |
igraltist_1 | support devuan arm64? | 18:59 |
Tenkawa | igraltist_1: #devuan-arm | 18:59 |
Tenkawa | join us | 18:59 |
Guest45 | Tenkawa i was wondering why you are interested to my hardware :D | 18:59 |
Tenkawa | :) | 18:59 |
Tenkawa | Guest45: apologies for the confusion | 19:00 |
igraltist_1 | Tenkawa: thx | 19:00 |
Tenkawa | igraltist_1: np | 19:00 |
adilix | so... people, let me try my wifi , brb | 19:00 |
Guest45 | btw,I have read that xinit command runs .xinitrc, so by typing only xinit wm starts. But not here. | 19:01 |
Guest45 | must do startx | 19:02 |
Tenkawa | under most circumstances you shouldn't even need an explicit .xinitrc or startx if you have xdm/lightdm installed | 19:02 |
Guest45 | i do not want any ldm | 19:02 |
Guest45 | i just start it from bash | 19:03 |
Guest45 | and autologin tty | 19:03 |
Tenkawa | your choice but it does complicate the setup | 19:03 |
Guest45 | but currently i use startx manualy because of testing | 19:03 |
Guest45 | less mamory usage :D | 19:03 |
Guest45 | why to waste memory if I can do the same without ldm:P | 19:04 |
Tenkawa | Guest45: because if you are "that" memory contstrained you have bigger concerns | 19:06 |
Guest45 | and this is why i use devuan - i like debs, i learnt debs, debian forces systemd, ubu is heavy and hard to maintain as i want | 19:06 |
Guest45 | i know, Tenkawa, but I like it ;) | 19:06 |
Tenkawa | considering lightdm for example has a nominal footprint | 19:06 |
Guest45 | i use lightdm onquest machines if i need to login to xserver remotely | 19:07 |
Guest45 | on host it is waste of memory :D | 19:08 |
adilix | so people... the sh... is up and running, but how do i enable wpa_supplicant at boot? i tried service wpa_supplicant with no luck , i have to manually start wpa_supplicant always | 19:48 |
gnarface | never had that issue, it should start automatically... are you trying to use it without a dhcp client? | 19:49 |
gnarface | pretty sure something else starts it | 19:49 |
adilix | isnt dhcp enabled be default | 19:50 |
gnarface | not if you didn't install it | 19:50 |
adilix | how to i get connected at my router? | 19:50 |
gnarface | usually with a dhcp client and wpa_supplicant but really that's not the only way people do it | 19:51 |
gnarface | anyway, wpa_supplicant should be started by something else in your network configuration | 19:52 |
gnarface | so obviously you're missing something but it's pointless for me to guess | 19:52 |
gnarface | is this chimaera or beowulf? | 19:53 |
adilix | let me reboot again | 19:53 |
gnarface | the machine in question isn't the one you're here in IRC with? | 19:54 |
gnarface | i guess that should also be assumed but you'd be surprised... | 19:54 |
gnarface | there's a possibility you could be merely missing packages or part of your network configuration, depending on how you installed. there's too many variables for me to guess without you telling me more details. | 19:55 |
adilix | no luck | 19:55 |
gnarface | let's do some sanity checks | 19:55 |
gnarface | dpkg -l |grep dhc -i | 19:56 |
gnarface | dpkg -l |grep avah -i | 19:56 |
adilix | i followed this guide https://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse | 19:56 |
gnarface | dpkg -l |grep wpa -i | 19:56 |
gnarface | uh... even the part about using systemd-resolved for DNS?? | 19:57 |
adilix | i use sysv | 19:57 |
gnarface | well this tutorial seems to be systemd specific | 19:58 |
gnarface | so parts of it won't work | 19:58 |
adilix | this fu.... systemd fu;;;ed up the linux world | 19:59 |
gnarface | i know :( | 19:59 |
adilix | i normally use only bsd" since systemd | 20:00 |
gnarface | if you can find a document on how it was set up in debian wheezy, that should still apply here | 20:00 |
adilix | i didnt had this problem with the devuan 3 version | 20:01 |
gnarface | but it sorta should have worked out of the box... you shouldn't have had to do any of this | 20:01 |
gnarface | yea. so something else is wrong but i can't help without more info | 20:01 |
adilix | just configured the wpa_ conf and all was working | 20:01 |
gnarface | well did you try enabling it with sysv-rc-conf or something? | 20:01 |
Tenkawa | adilix: in your /etc/network/interfaces do you have a line in there like this? | 20:02 |
Tenkawa | auto wlan0? | 20:02 |
Tenkawa | or allow-hotplug wlan0 | 20:03 |
adilix | allow-hotplug, currenlty i was looking for it :) | 20:04 |
adilix | let me try auto | 20:04 |
Tenkawa | add wlan0 to the auto lo line | 20:04 |
gnarface | but if networkmanager is installed, won't that conflict with it? | 20:04 |
Tenkawa | gnarface: I was about to note that | 20:05 |
Tenkawa | that was going to be my next check before they reboot | 20:05 |
Tenkawa | adilix: look in /etc/NetworkManager and make sure there's no configuration still setup there for the device.. if there is hold on a sec before continuing | 20:08 |
adilix | hmm now i have this problem, No DHCPOFFERS received | 20:08 |
adilix | No working leases in persistent database | 20:08 |
adilix | whats wrong | 20:08 |
gnarface | dhcp server is off? | 20:09 |
adilix | what i am doing wrong | 20:09 |
Tenkawa | make sure you have your country in /etc/default/crda | 20:09 |
adilix | no all my laptops all connected to the router | 20:09 |
gnarface | dhcp ip pool exhausted? | 20:10 |
adilix | i dont have that file in etc/default crda | 20:11 |
adilix | no, ip pool is not exhausted | 20:11 |
adilix | with console command i can connect to my router | 20:12 |
adilix | whats wrong | 20:12 |
Tenkawa | gnarface: well thats concerning.. he has no crda library... | 20:14 |
Tenkawa | devuan usually installs that right? | 20:15 |
adilix | just installed crda | 20:15 |
adilix | let me reboot again | 20:15 |
adilix | no it doesnt installs it | 20:15 |
adilix | same problem again | 20:17 |
adilix | what should i write inside the crda file? | 20:18 |
adilix | there is REGDOMAIN= and nothing else | 20:18 |
gnarface | Tenkawa: i dunno really | 20:19 |
Tenkawa | gnarface: I'm about to install a new chimaera install to check | 20:19 |
gnarface | chimaera is brand new and vandalism from upstream is expected | 20:20 |
gnarface | but i don't really use wireless networking a lot lately | 20:20 |
gnarface | so if something changed before that i can't guarantee i'd even have noticed | 20:21 |
Tenkawa | crda is a standard part of wireless package | 20:21 |
Tenkawa | crda, wpa_supplicant go together | 20:22 |
adilix | i had to install it separatelly | 20:22 |
Tenkawa | crda does all the regulatory stuff | 20:22 |
Tenkawa | adilix: yes.. and that concerns me a bit.. how did you install your system? | 20:23 |
adilix | how do you mean ? | 20:27 |
adilix | i added in crda file REGDOMAIN=GR and the same problem | 20:28 |
Tenkawa | how did you install devuan? from what source and what method? | 20:28 |
gnarface | if it's a system upgraded from debian, you don't have to hide that in shame. we support that we just need to make sure you finished the job. | 20:29 |
gnarface | but really, without a 2-way flow of information here, our ability to help is very limited | 20:29 |
adilix | no just a fresh install, before i had netbsd on it | 20:30 |
gnarface | fresh install with which iso? we need to know which exact iso you used. please show download link | 20:30 |
Tenkawa | again: how did you install devuan? from what source and what method? | 20:30 |
adilix | cd1 | 20:30 |
golinux | That is the server cd iirc | 20:31 |
adilix | yes | 20:31 |
Tenkawa | ok thanks | 20:31 |
gnarface | ah, cd1. did you complete the install without a network configuration then go to set up networking after first boot? it might be relevant to the issue here | 20:31 |
Tenkawa | gnarface: yep | 20:31 |
adilix | yes | 20:31 |
Tenkawa | if no network was setup that's going to be missing a lot of stuff | 20:32 |
gnarface | the version of the cd might be relevant too... i think there's been 2 beta releases at least, right? | 20:32 |
adilix | no beta | 20:32 |
adilix | and hashes are ok | 20:32 |
adilix | i never use any beta | 20:32 |
gnarface | ok, so just missing network config at install may be enough of an explanation for what is missing | 20:32 |
Tenkawa | if you used a netinstall disc though without a network you have a lot of manual setup to do | 20:33 |
gnarface | it would be the same situation basically as this, yes. | 20:33 |
Tenkawa | thats the whole point | 20:33 |
Tenkawa | of using it at install time | 20:33 |
Tenkawa | gnarface: indeed | 20:33 |
Tenkawa | it asks/knows what to do | 20:33 |
Tenkawa | at that time | 20:34 |
gnarface | is there a task for networking? | 20:34 |
Tenkawa | gnarface: let me check | 20:34 |
gnarface | i'm not seeing anything obvious that isn't a whole desktop environment, but maybe one of those would be the best choice here | 20:34 |
gnarface | the original tutorial in question mentioned plasma-nm, so maybe... task-kde-desktop will mostly overlap with the part of the work already done? | 20:36 |
Tenkawa | I think the desktop env base task has whats needed... checking its contenrs | 20:36 |
Tenkawa | er contents | 20:36 |
Tenkawa | going to grep them all for some of the base net pkgs | 20:36 |
Tenkawa | nah its just mostly desktop/x11 stuff | 20:39 |
Tenkawa | as thought | 20:39 |
Vindrue | Hi, i was reffered to here as a place to get help by the devuan website. I've been trying to set up Devuan Chimaera with a tiling window manager on a laptop, but run into a problem where my wifi does not work. If i try pinging a website i get the error: Name or service not known, and pinging a nameserver returns: Network is unreachable. I have | 20:41 |
Vindrue | tried setting up wifi by following the steps in dev1fanboy's wiki, but to no avail. I know wifi works, because i set it up during install, and when i install Devuan with Xfce it works perfectly, but i have yet to get it to work with a minimal install. | 20:41 |
gnarface | Vindrue: hey, stick around looks like that's the same issue adilix is having right now | 20:43 |
gnarface | Vindrue: most likely missing packages | 20:43 |
Vindrue | i see | 20:43 |
gnarface | Vindrue: if you could get a packgae list from the xfce install and diff it against your minimal install that will give you some clues though the signal to noise ratio will be high | 20:44 |
gnarface | some config might be missing too, hard to say | 20:44 |
gnarface | but you configured networking during install you say? | 20:44 |
Vindrue | yes | 20:44 |
gnarface | hmm, adilix reportedly did not so there's a difference | 20:45 |
Vindrue | i did the offline desktop install (wifi wirmware not included with netinstall) | 20:45 |
gnarface | the wifi firmware is included in our netinstall | 20:45 |
gnarface | debian doesn't do that but devuan does | 20:45 |
gnarface | i'm wondering if task-xfce-desktop will work for you, since you said xfce gets it right | 20:46 |
Vindrue | oh yeah correction: i was unable to install the firmware, in the installer it was displayed in the list, but selecting it did not work | 20:46 |
Vindrue | offline installer automatically detected and installed it | 20:46 |
gnarface | odd | 20:46 |
Vindrue | what do you mean by task-xfce-desktop? | 20:46 |
gnarface | sounds like a kernel version issue | 20:47 |
gnarface | oh, task-xfce-desktop is a meta-package that should give you xfce and everything that was bundled with it last time you installed it | 20:47 |
Vindrue | ahh | 20:47 |
Vindrue | installing it from the cdrom repo rn | 20:48 |
gnarface | hopefully that will give you the missing networking packages, if it doesn't you're gonna have to do that diff of the dpkg -l lists | 20:49 |
gnarface | or if you would rather keep a minimal install i can guess at some packages you might be missing, and you can just install them but it will feel like shooting in the dark porobably | 20:49 |
gnarface | probably* | 20:49 |
Vindrue | i'd rather do the diff shabang than have an extra desktop environment sitting somewhere taking up space tbh | 20:50 |
gnarface | that is the most thorough approach | 20:50 |
Vindrue | i've spent the entire day today trying to get this to work, don't want to give up now xD | 20:50 |
gnarface | surely | 20:50 |
gnarface | so right now my theory is missing dhcp client but waiting for verification | 20:56 |
gnarface | maybe wpa_supplicant or resolvconf | 20:56 |
Vindrue | xfce finished installing, started it | 20:57 |
Vindrue | no network had been set up | 20:57 |
Vindrue | maybe if you set up wifi through the installer, it will only translate to a desktop environment if you choose to install that as well | 20:57 |
Vindrue | or at least that's my guess | 20:58 |
gnarface | possible. what do you have in /etc/network/interfaces? | 20:58 |
gnarface | (also possible you just need to go through init again) | 20:58 |
Vindrue | i have the same stuff in interfaces that i put in there previously... ...except 1 line is changed | 21:00 |
Vindrue | allow-hotplug wlan0 | 21:00 |
Vindrue | iface wlan1 inet dhcp | 21:00 |
Vindrue | wlan0 was changed to wlan1 in the second line | 21:01 |
gnarface | hmm, suspicious | 21:01 |
Vindrue | for some odd reason | 21:01 |
gnarface | could be the problem | 21:01 |
Vindrue | yup | 21:01 |
gnarface | are you using a graphical network configuration tool too? | 21:01 |
gnarface | (they can also conflict) | 21:01 |
Vindrue | connected through xfce's default just now | 21:01 |
Vindrue | before that i tried connecting manually | 21:02 |
Vindrue | i checked my network devices previously, i only had wlan0, lemme check again | 21:02 |
Vindrue | still only wlan0, despite the odd config file | 21:03 |
gnarface | well if the MAC address changed it could still be caching the old one in /etc/udev/rules.d/ i think | 21:04 |
gnarface | did you possibly switch network devices? | 21:04 |
gnarface | check for /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules | 21:04 |
Vindrue | i only have 1 device in this laptop | 21:04 |
gnarface | or *-persistent-net.rules | 21:04 |
Vindrue | at least iw dev states that | 21:05 |
gnarface | it wouldn't matter if there's only one at the moment, what matters is if there were ever others | 21:05 |
gnarface | was there a previous wlan0 device? | 21:05 |
gnarface | it at least used to put them in /etc/udev/rules.d/ but check /lib/udev/rules.d too just in case | 21:06 |
Vindrue | checking | 21:07 |
Vindrue | *-persistent-net.rules doesn't exist in neither directory | 21:07 |
Vindrue | actually there are no files in the /etc/ one whatsoever | 21:08 |
Vindrue | but there is a file named 75-persistent-net-generator.rules in the /lib/ one | 21:09 |
Vindrue | gonna try to remove as many packages as possible until network breaks right now | 21:12 |
Vindrue | might possibly work | 21:12 |
Vindrue | is there a way to apt autoremove with the exception of specific packages? | 21:16 |
Vindrue | wondering if i can do that, but with an exception for all network-related stuff | 21:16 |
gnarface | Vindrue: missing contents of /etc seems like a pretty big deal... i'd reinstall everything | 22:08 |
Vindrue | i think i might have fixed the issue | 22:08 |
Vindrue | without reinstall | 22:08 |
Vindrue | not an elegant solution, as i now have some random xfce themes and ~100 MB of other unwanted stuff, but connected to the internet with network-manager | 22:10 |
Vindrue | that's perhaps an acceptable level of bloat i guess | 22:10 |
gnarface | i think it's more than you should have to deal with but whatever works | 22:11 |
Vindrue | yeah | 22:11 |
Vindrue | basically just installed network-manager along with all of its "dependencies"? (why do you need a desktop theme to connect to wifi?) | 22:13 |
Vindrue | and then ran nmcli, which was included by default | 22:13 |
Vindrue | pinging a website still doesn't work, but downloading from repo's, and pinging nameservers work, so i'm happy | 22:14 |
Vindrue | literally jumped off my chair as soon as i saw ping 8.8.8.8 return packet info! | 22:14 |
Tenkawa | Vindrue: still there? | 22:15 |
Vindrue | yes | 22:15 |
Tenkawa | I might have some insight for you on the nameserver problem | 22:15 |
Vindrue | o | 22:16 |
Tenkawa | look in your /etc/resolv.conf file | 22:16 |
Tenkawa | check whats in it currently | 22:16 |
Vindrue | # Generated by NetworkManager | 22:17 |
Vindrue | search webspeed.dk | 22:17 |
Tenkawa | but no nameserver lines right? | 22:17 |
Vindrue | and then 2 nameserver entries | 22:17 |
Tenkawa | oh | 22:17 |
Vindrue | i added 8.8.8.8, but pinging websites still doesn't work | 22:18 |
Tenkawa | ping "might" not work | 22:18 |
Tenkawa | try this | 22:18 |
Tenkawa | first | 22:18 |
Tenkawa | do a ls -lad /etc/resolv.conf | 22:18 |
Tenkawa | make sure its not a link | 22:18 |
Vindrue | how do i make sure it's not a link? | 22:19 |
Tenkawa | you | 22:19 |
Tenkawa | 'er | 22:19 |
Tenkawa | you'll see it pointing to something and not just list it out as itself | 22:19 |
Vindrue | ahh | 22:19 |
Vindrue | it's listing itself, so not a link | 22:19 |
Tenkawa | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 13 Feb 17 2021 rmt -> /usr/sbin/rmt | 22:20 |
Tenkawa | thats an example btw | 22:20 |
Tenkawa | ok. next | 22:20 |
Vindrue | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 122 Oct 18 22:17 /etc/resolv.conf | 22:20 |
Vindrue | for the record | 22:20 |
Tenkawa | if you netstat -rn | 22:20 |
Tenkawa | is the default line your router's ip? | 22:20 |
Vindrue | Default line? | 22:21 |
Vindrue | my router's ip is listed in the destination column as the third entry | 22:21 |
Tenkawa | 3rd? interesting | 22:21 |
Vindrue | local ip that is | 22:21 |
Vindrue | first is 0.0.0.0 (i think that's a nameserver if i'm not wrong) | 22:22 |
Tenkawa | no | 22:22 |
Tenkawa | thats all | 22:22 |
Tenkawa | but the destination should be | 22:22 |
Tenkawa | like on mine | 22:22 |
Tenkawa | Destination Gateway Genmask Flags MSS Window irtt Iface | 22:23 |
Tenkawa | 0.0.0.0 192.168.1.254 0.0.0.0 UG 0 0 0 wlan0 | 22:23 |
Tenkawa | the gateway is the 0.0.0.0 entry destination | 22:23 |
Vindrue | oh wait no sorry i'm wrong | 22:23 |
Vindrue | the destination entry is off by 1 number | 22:23 |
Vindrue | my router ip is like your's, the first gateway entry | 22:23 |
Tenkawa | ok. | 22:24 |
Tenkawa | so overall connectivity is good. here's how we can test where dns is failing | 22:24 |
Tenkawa | try to run dig | 22:25 |
Tenkawa | see if you have that utility installed | 22:25 |
Vindrue | the output is too big to fit on the tty screen | 22:27 |
Vindrue | perhaps i should try fixing it when i have installed my window manager | 22:27 |
* _ds_ suggests pinging loopsofzen.uk | 22:27 | |
Tenkawa | Vindrue: run dig google.com | 22:27 |
adilix | i cant get behind wahts wrong | 22:27 |
Vindrue | output is nicer now | 22:27 |
Tenkawa | do you get an answer section back | 22:28 |
Tenkawa | with records like | 22:28 |
Vindrue | if you can't figure it out that's alright | 22:28 |
Vindrue | yes | 22:28 |
Tenkawa | ;; ANSWER SECTION: | 22:28 |
Tenkawa | google.com. 250 IN A 142.250.191.110 | 22:28 |
Tenkawa | may be a diff ip | 22:28 |
Vindrue | yes | 22:28 |
Tenkawa | they have a round robin | 22:28 |
Tenkawa | ok your dns is ok | 22:28 |
Tenkawa | your dns is fie | 22:28 |
Tenkawa | er fine | 22:28 |
Vindrue | i rarely use the ping command, if i can't connect to websites when a web browser is installed i'll try to find the fix myself | 22:29 |
Vindrue | or ask here again | 22:29 |
Tenkawa | so try to test an actual website/etc | 22:29 |
Tenkawa | pings are frequently blocked so trust those rarely | 22:29 |
Vindrue | alright | 22:30 |
Vindrue | thanks a lot for the help! | 22:30 |
Tenkawa | this is an actual connectivity test and looks good | 22:30 |
Tenkawa | np | 22:30 |
_ds_ | The other question is can you ping 2001:4860:4860::8888… | 22:32 |
_ds_ | (since 8.8.8.8 was mentioned) | 22:32 |
Tenkawa | _ds_: with ping6 and an actual ipv6 connection heheheh | 22:32 |
Tenkawa | --- 2001:4860:4860::8888 ping statistics --- | 22:32 |
Tenkawa | 1 packets transmitted, 1 received, 0% packet loss, time 0ms | 22:32 |
Tenkawa | rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 31.060/31.060/31.060/0.000 ms | 22:32 |
Tenkawa | I can :) | 22:32 |
_ds_ | FWIW, loopsofzen.uk requires IPv6 | 22:32 |
Tenkawa | lol | 22:33 |
Tenkawa | I have nice ipv6 | 22:33 |
adilix | i give up, maybe cya tomorrow bb | 23:54 |
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