hyrcanus | if you want freedom, resolv the google/fb/twitter to 0.0.0.0 | 01:57 |
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* rrq thinking Ostrich Freedom FTW | 01:59 | |
hyrcanus | only when you free your mind from mental cages, are you free | 02:01 |
rrq | yes. agree. and steadfast towards offtopic I'd add, that if my cat is on fire I want to know it. | 02:21 |
onefang | I suspect your cat might let you know. | 02:22 |
onefang | insert clever cat command here | 02:23 |
Hydragyrum | nextdns FTW | 04:49 |
hyrcanus | where's the short readme as to why | 04:50 |
Hydragyrum | well, it lets me block things at dns-level and use encrypted dns, with a nice UI and plenty of control | 04:52 |
Hydragyrum | I might be able to do better with a fully self-hosted solution, but it's quite convenient to set up too | 04:53 |
rrq | perhaps advertising should go in the advertising channel | 04:53 |
blockhead | there is an advertising channel? :o | 04:53 |
Hydragyrum | lol maybe a bit ot but I mean, someone was referencing resolving google/fb/twitter to null, which isn't quite as easy to do as that but nextdns does have blocklists for all their stuff | 04:54 |
* adhoc adds their hosts names to /etc/hosts and sets the IP to 127.1.1.1 | 05:01 | |
adhoc | easier to match in the log | 05:01 |
hyrcanus | oh interesting | 05:03 |
hyrcanus | wc -l /etc/hosts | 05:03 |
hyrcanus | 46936 /etc/hosts | 05:03 |
adhoc | you can also grab names from the ad blocking plug ins and add them too | 05:04 |
hyrcanus | i find new things to add with wireshark | 05:04 |
adhoc | ublock origin has a fairly large list, I pulled a lot of dns names from that | 05:04 |
adhoc | hyrcanus: yes, a good option | 05:05 |
golinux | And this still isn't a devuan support question | 05:05 |
adhoc | the web dev tools traffic/asset loader is a good way to see what is being loaded in the back ground | 05:05 |
golinux | OT | 05:05 |
adhoc | is the channel particularly high traffic at the moment ? | 05:06 |
golinux | That is not the point. Devs having to read backlog nonsense is | 05:06 |
golinux | It's annoying | 05:07 |
golinux | Thanks for understanding . . . | 05:07 |
adhoc | you would rather push your potential users away ? | 05:07 |
hyrcanus | the question is how strictly to moderate, in order to maintain usefulness as a support channel adhoc | 05:46 |
hyrcanus | loose moderation would allow non-support chat centered around how to get a devuan system running well | 05:48 |
hyrcanus | strict moderation would ban any question or discussion not related directly to issues caused by devuan maintainers themselves | 05:48 |
adhoc | so long as the OT hammer applies to everyone. | 05:50 |
hyrcanus | there is no hivemind unity about what level of topicality is most useful to the devuan project | 05:51 |
hyrcanus | just try to respect each other, and if golinux finds a discussion is veering too far OT, let's respect that | 05:52 |
jla | weird, on fresh Chimaera... and in tmux, .bash_aliases are not sourced , what am i missing ? | 14:25 |
* jla they are, as expected, when not in tmux session but regular terminal | 14:25 | |
e3d3 | I have Beowulf and want to install mysql-workbench but see that it is only available in the ceres, ascii & jessie repository. Can I install one of those ? | 15:45 |
gnarface | e3d3: maybe but probably instead you'll try and find out why it isn't in beowulf. it would be safer to try building a copy for beowulf (aka backporting) but it might just lead you to the same conclusion. | 16:37 |
DPA | If you try one of those, install the packege with apt, not with dpkg. Apt will check & install the dependencies, dpkg will not care. | 17:07 |
DPA | You may have to put a ./ in front of the file name to make apt notice that it's a file name and not a package name. | 17:08 |
Tenkawa | yes you need ./ | 17:13 |
Tenkawa | apt install lsof_4.93.2+dfsg-1.1_arm64.deb ; apt install ./lsof_4.93.2+dfsg-1.1_arm64.deb | 17:13 |
Tenkawa | Reading package lists... Done | 17:13 |
Tenkawa | Building dependency tree... Done | 17:13 |
Tenkawa | Reading state information... Done | 17:13 |
Tenkawa | E: Unable to locate package lsof_4.93.2+dfsg-1.1_arm64.deb | 17:13 |
Tenkawa | works with ./ | 17:13 |
Tenkawa | (skipped pasting the extra lines) | 17:14 |
Tenkawa | apt-get same as well | 17:15 |
e3d3 | gnarface: DPA: Tenkawa: Sorry for my late response. I forgot that I didn't close this channel. Thanks all for the help & advice. I'll try given solution later. | 17:38 |
Digit | hi, quick question, can haz experimental on my ceres? (or is experimental strictly a debian sid thing?) | 19:06 |
Tenkawa | no there os only contrib main and non-free pools in ceres | 19:08 |
Tenkawa | er is | 19:08 |
gnarface | you can still install the debian experimental packages | 19:17 |
gnarface | nothing is stopping you; they're basically guaranteed to break you install regardless | 19:18 |
gnarface | so while there isn't actually a "devuan experimental" this is one case where the threat level can't increase | 19:18 |
gnarface | (i recommend making a full backup first) | 19:19 |
hyrcanus | if there's a program I am interested in bleeding-edge features for, I tend to grab the latest source and build it myself | 19:20 |
hyrcanus | the apt system is my base for OS and libraries, my fun new things get compiled | 19:20 |
hyrcanus | and if they screw up, they don't damage the important stuff | 19:21 |
gnarface | that's the better approach because usually then massive incompatibilities are caught during the build process rather than after install | 19:21 |
hyrcanus | do you make 'working backups' of your live system gnarface | 19:23 |
hyrcanus | with like rsync to an external drive partition or something | 19:23 |
gnarface | hyrcanus: yea rsync is fine but you can just use tar and ssh | 19:28 |
hyrcanus | i just have the right flags for rsync in my notes | 19:28 |
hyrcanus | (i hope) | 19:29 |
hyrcanus | but this should work tar -cvpjf rootfs.tar.bz2 --exclude=/whatever / | 19:30 |
hyrcanus | or leave out the v to reduce terminal spam | 19:30 |
gnarface | tar --one-file-system -c -p -f - ${DIRS} | 19:30 |
hyrcanus | neat flag --one-file-system, ty | 19:32 |
gnarface | ssh backup@{HOST} "sleep 3; tar --one-file-system -c -p -f - ${DIRS}" > backup.tar | 19:32 |
gnarface | tar can output to stdout and ssh will return stdout from remote commands back to you down the pipe | 19:33 |
gnarface | so in this way you can even back up remote servers | 19:33 |
gnarface | works for everything but windows basically (the "sleep 3" part is just because disk access on the macs was slow) | 19:34 |
hyrcanus | and my rsync line: rsync -axHAXWS --numeric-ids --info=progress2 $1 $2 | 19:35 |
hyrcanus | gotta love -axHAX | 19:35 |
gnarface | --one-file-system keeps it from backing up /proc and /dev and crap like that | 19:40 |
pablocastellanos | Sorry I was very busy the last two weeks. When did you launch chimaera? | 19:41 |
gnarface | i dunno just a couple days ago | 19:42 |
gnarface | you're not too late | 19:42 |
user____ | ;) not too late | 19:46 |
pablocastellanos | gnarface: OK, I think I downloaded the mini.iso corresponding to the deb installer of chimaera (from the unstable repo) last week. So I was calculating less than 10 days since launch | 19:47 |
peterrooney | I ended up putting all my rsyncs in a makefile | 19:53 |
pablocastellanos | gnarface: user____: 2021-10-14 was the date of launch | 19:55 |
mro | Chimera in the news (de) https://heise.de/-6222224 – congrats and thank you! | 21:19 |
hyrcanus | time for a jubilee | 21:31 |
trmin | Chimaera: Nach vielen (12?) Stunden friert der Bildschirm ein und Tastatur- und Mauseingaben werden abgeschaltet. Anwendungen laufen offenbar weiter (Ton der TV-Karte). Shift-Lock / Num-Lock funktionieren nicht, aber die Magic SysRQ-Tasten. Neu angesteckte Maus arbeitet nicht. Mit ASCII tritt das Problem nicht auf. Kein Anstieg der Speicher- und Prozessorauslastung vor dem Ereignis. Geschieht im Betrieb wie im Leerlauf. (Eventuell: | 21:48 |
trmin | geschieht zu vollen Stunden, ich beobachte das noch.) | 21:48 |
debdog | hmm, I think I've had that, too. | 21:50 |
trmin | You solved that? | 21:51 |
debdog | but I wasn't certain whether it was me at some point accidently closing the lid or whether it did it by itself | 21:51 |
trmin | It's a desktop. | 21:52 |
debdog | no. cannot solve anything power management related. havent found out yet what actually controls that | 21:52 |
debdog | well, the freeting could happen on a laptop as well as on a desktop | 21:53 |
debdog | *freezing | 21:53 |
trmin | I checked cronjobs. Non running. | 21:53 |
debdog | also, you've posted in the wrong language. ;) | 21:54 |
trmin | Maybe some Germans speak english, too, but vice versa? | 21:55 |
debdog | we try. but the chances of someone knowledgable replying increase rapidly | 21:57 |
trmin | You might try google translator. The translation of devuan would be interesting. Maybe Teufel (=devil in German). | 22:00 |
trmin | What about the freeze? I already tried "sudo apt-get install --reinstall xserver-xorg-input-all" | 22:03 |
debdog | no clue atm. | 22:03 |
debdog | sorry | 22:03 |
debdog | do you have logs which might indicate something? | 22:04 |
Tenkawa | what kind(brand/bus) of video card? | 22:08 |
trmin | Which log should I look at? Its a NVIDIA GTX 1650. But, as I said, there's no problem with ASCII on the same machine. | 22:10 |
Tenkawa | if this is a desktop I'd also be curios how the acpi is setup in the bios | 22:10 |
Tenkawa | trmin: ascii has much older software and kernel | 22:10 |
Tenkawa | some of the driver behaviour has changed | 22:11 |
Tenkawa | thats why as debdog I would be interested if anything in /var/log shows any errors/messages of interest | 22:12 |
debdog | syslog, Xorg.0.log and xsession (or similar) log come to mind | 22:13 |
debdog | * .xsession-errors | 22:13 |
Tenkawa | debdog: even messages syslog and kern.log might have something of interest | 22:13 |
Tenkawa | debug "possibly" would at the point of icident | 22:14 |
trmin | I know. Usually I skip a version, because there are always problems with each. What I meant is, that a hardware problem is unlikely. | 22:14 |
Tenkawa | /var/log/debug will log messages "if" the machine is staying up... key there being if its staying up and coalescing the filesystem | 22:15 |
Tenkawa | trmin: I'm not specificly looking for hardware errors... likely its software | 22:16 |
trmin | Unfortunately I'm in a new session since the last freeze. The messages between freeze and restart in /var/log/debug were Oct 18 17:11:14 chimaera015 rtkit-daemon[2265]: Supervising 5 threads of 2 processes of 1 users. | 22:28 |
trmin | Oct 18 17:11:14 chimaera015 rtkit-daemon[2265]: Supervising 5 threads of 2 processes of 1 users. | 22:28 |
trmin | Oct 19 08:43:01 chimaera015 kernel: [59322.130370] sd 11:0:0:0: [sdb] Mode Sense: 43 00 00 00 No useful information to me. | 22:28 |
Tenkawa | oh . mode sense? | 22:29 |
Tenkawa | thats drive errors | 22:29 |
Tenkawa | if its on sd* | 22:30 |
Tenkawa | or potential ones | 22:30 |
Tenkawa | its having trouble communicating with the second drive | 22:30 |
Tenkawa | how many hard drives do you have in there? | 22:31 |
trmin | Of course, because I killed running media. | 22:31 |
Tenkawa | if it goes into power savings and tries to come out and has problems with accessing the drive that could definitely cause lockups | 22:31 |
Tenkawa | trmin: no.. linux has kernel code to handle putting the drives in an io sleep state if it is in a "proper" sleep | 22:32 |
Tenkawa | but if something is failing on the hardware that would cause that to potentially not be completed | 22:33 |
Tenkawa | you might want to run diagnostics minimally on your hardware | 22:34 |
Tenkawa | just because one version is not showing this could mean you aren't triggering it. Its just a personal recommendation... safety check | 22:35 |
Tenkawa | brb all | 22:46 |
trmin | There are at least 6 physical drives, but only one with partitions relevant for system. However - thanks so far by now, got some new ideas. Another question. It's my very first time here. How can I continue the discussion after logout? | 22:50 |
debdog | to read what's going on while offline you'll need a bouncer or have a look at the logs (see topic) | 22:53 |
trmin | Thanks an bye for now. | 22:54 |
golinux | http://reisenweber.net/irclogs/libera/_devuan/ | 22:55 |
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